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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:33:00 -
[541]
Of course, it could be that all the alliances shared this information, or all kept it to themselves, so that they could still have regular pew pew. This is so wide reaching it's going to affect PvP significantly, and the entire map is going to change. I can see the smaller alliances that maybe didn't know about this moving up the food chain a bit. Hell, of course no-one could have kept this quiet so long, but the large alliances have alot of players combined - it would have been easy to keep it quiet amongst them.
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
Darth Sithus
Amarr Beltinci UnderGround
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:33:00 -
[542]
Originally by: Mr John22ta
Originally by: Darth Sithus I'm actualy surprised by all those CCP replies, great job!
CCP needs to be very careful with what they say about this. The forums are (rightfully IMHO) up in arms, and anything that CCP says or does, will be scrutinized, quoted, taken as gospel ect. If that info turns out to be wrong, the damage could be amplified.
Give them time to find out what has happened, take action, and THEN tell us.
There is no point in them replying to us right now, will do more damage than good
Right, they need more than 4 years
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Bobbechk
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:34:00 -
[543]
Originally by: Veroid TQ reset !
would be awsome fun :D:D:D
(no really i mean it it would be awsome fun!)
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:35:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: hundurinn
Thats what I'm saying. CCP needs to confirm or deny the rumor that it has been going on for 4 years, the longer they wait the worse the effect will be. The only thing they have said so far is that there was an exploit but it has been fixed nothing more.
That is true. But they best investigate it completely first.
Otherwise they have to come up every few days with new facts maybe contradicting their old findings and so on.
Give them a little more time, I suppose they were themselves quite suprised and now need to root out the cheaters.
As some people already said, this might not that easy as it seems to be. There will most probably lots of alts involved and a good deal of money laundring. Of course no one wants that they ban innocents also! At least I would be more than ****ed off if they would ban my char only because my buy order in jita got filled from one of these guys.
So it needs time to give accurate details.
In the meanwhile I can only repeat myself: The numbers in Jita indicate that this cheating is going on in a big matter since only a few weeks. Before that the prices of ferrogel etc. were tightly coupled (or correlated as people say) to the dys/prom prices. But since a few weeks the prices were decoupled and ferrogel dropped and dropped, together with hypersynaptic fibers.
These "4 years" are utter nonsense. 4 years ago there was no real market for ferrogel and the likes, only few people did do that. No much money was in it then.
Also: one char got permabanned and all his shiny isk wiped out. Then he posts anonomously on a 3rd party forum and throws in numbers which are not believable as explained above. Yet everyone believes that guy and yells at CCP. Shame on the playerbase, really.
More civil manners wouldn't hurt to have. Also think a bit more about the circumstances and if that what people claim to have happend could be true and do match the numbers and realities on TQ. Only then post.
Wild accusations without any base than rumours from banned cheaters are not really something which anyone can be proud of.
except that there's not a lot of trust going around to a company that doesn't have a stellar reputation to begin with.
and wasn't it a "banned cheater" that exposed something about wrongly spawned t2 bpos, titan account sharing, and a number of other items? yet, that 'banned cheater' turned out to be in the right...
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Blackmarketbaby
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:37:00 -
[545]
the only comfort i find is knowing that the exact same people who were on a godlike level are going down the dumpster. little ****s needing to cheat to stay ahead - and not even succeeding at that.
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Kay Han
Caldari The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:38:00 -
[546]
Edited by: Kay Han on 11/12/2008 11:42:53 Edited by: Kay Han on 11/12/2008 11:38:57 if this thing was reported FOUR ****ing years ago all i can say is:
CCP has a reaction like a Skysc* r* a* p* e*r..... NONE
Kudos to u dudes /me salutes
edit:stupid wordfilter
Originally by: CCP Atropos Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:39:00 -
[547]
TQ reset would make the game pretty interesting, everything would be new again, no super cap fleets, no POS in every 0.0 system, no jump bridges, no titans, no jump freighters. Lots of t1 ships. Fair play for all.
What's not to like?
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Flossing
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:40:00 -
[548]
Edited by: Flossing on 11/12/2008 11:43:41
NEWS FLASH
Inspector Clouseau is hot on the heals of these dastardly Exploiters and has promised to stop all of these types of shenanigans happening again in the future.
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speedek
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:42:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Ephemeron TQ reset would make the game pretty interesting, everything would be new again, no super cap fleets, no POS in every 0.0 system, no jump bridges, no titans, no jump freighters. Lots of t1 ships. Fair play for all.
What's not to like?
What about T2 lottery?
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3rr0rc0d3
Amarr Universal Moose Foundation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:43:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Ephemeron TQ reset would make the game pretty interesting, everything would be new again, no super cap fleets, no POS in every 0.0 system, no jump bridges, no titans, no jump freighters. Lots of t1 ships. Fair play for all.
What's not to like?
The loss of isk that some of the honest players have invested? A reset could never be the solution... if it was, we would have to reboot the actual universe and start from primordial soup again. We'd be playing Spore... ______________________
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have discovered an exploit involving starbases that made it possible for some players to gain an unfair advantage over others.
*oops* |
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:44:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
and wasn't it a "banned cheater" that exposed something about wrongly spawned t2 bpos, titan account sharing, and a number of other items? yet, that 'banned cheater' turned out to be in the right...
Does this mean now that every banned person gains a lot of credibility and is so much more believable now because he cheated? Somehow I am not sure what you mean with the above.
And especially strange it is that this person is so much more believed than the market data which strongly indicates big frauds for several weeks but not before.
But yeah ... 4 years cheating draws of course much more attention than 8 weeks (or whatever) of cheeting.
Don't trust anyone! Don't believe a word of what people say. Look at the data yourself, think about if things are resonable and if they match the existing data. Only this is the right way to approach things.
Things which we cannot confirm or reject (for example: i petitioned it 4 years ago already and they closed the petition saying it is all okay) we need to completely ignore if we want to have a sound deduction.
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Rosalina Sarinna
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:44:00 -
[552]
I'd just like to say Mister Zero's piccy of the "silo swarm" at the POS makes me think how bad this has been if its been done on dozens of POS for years. I'm pretty miffed being a small scale T2/Cap manufacturer. Imho, the whole T2 infrastructure needs a restart (I think it did before this, but certainly after it) - as in T2 BPOs available once more, invention success rate being somewhat improved, and alchemy lowered from a 20:1 ratio.
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ArmyOfMe
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:44:00 -
[553]
i demand to be turned into jove, and that i get a ton of jove ships and all will be forgiven
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything |
Jon Arabin
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:45:00 -
[554]
Hai,
Well, this is all just so exiting I thought I'd chip in with my two cents...
Firstly, beeb article;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7256069.stm
Is nice!
Now for my nonsense!
EVE is a very big cake, and sometimes big cakes go wrong... The general population (small fry like me)has (IMHO) little cause to be overly concerned at this. CCP will chuck some system auditors at it, do some swift accountancy and stomp the sandcastles of the bad boys and girls (though let's face it, mostly boys!;) who were chief perps. If that ain't good enough as was once said (in a roundabout way) by some chap from M$ to Big Blue, "read the licence agreement and weep!"
We pay for access to the trainset, and get some input in return via forums and the CSM. But nobody really owns it, the issue of selling ISK to buy GTCs to buy [$úÇ]...? Well some degree of metaGing there perhaps, but I've a dayjob and find all the web resource and open source tools quite cool.
Plus this closely mirrors what had been going on with RL economics, 'cept it was moonmuck/modules not mortgages in this case. Try buying that nice T2 Passive Drake with your pitiful ISK next month!!!:P
Anyway, ramble, ramble... Oh that was it, lot's of people here wish to be exited and het up about stuff. Well there's alot of that here, so I for one would like to congratulate whoever major Win!
Arabin for the State!
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:47:00 -
[555]
/me pokes stuff with pitchfork
Let's lynch the T2 BPO's !! No, Really ! It would be free market! Oh and few public bannings of most vocal trolls perhaps also. People love a good show.
In more serious note I'm sure CCP Inqusitors are already rattling their rusty tools. Give em some time, as it's propably hard to understand the mumblings of the stuff their attention is focused on.
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Hroya
Gallente StrikerCorp
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:49:00 -
[556]
I dont pretent to know any details about the subject other then the official statements provided. I have no numbers to back up any claims, or to even assume who did what, profited from this situation and to what extend.
All i do want to know is, how will it affect MY EvE. Is it still worthwhile to invest MY time into EvE to plan things, finding out how the market works, how to run a corporation some day, work for an alliance, building things up in the long run. Have a fair shot at working towards the bigger things.
Will it really affect me or is it just a drama scene on a level of gameplay that i wont even scratch any day under the Sun ?
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Enaria Ferenic
Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:52:00 -
[557]
Well an Alliance m8 of mine (Baske) did propose that the best way to deal with this was via a 0.0 reset, but using RP mechanics, specifically a Jove invasion of 0.0 which would kick all players outta 0.0 and destroy all 0.0 infrastructure. Once this is complete the jove would mysteriously disappear again and players could once again enter 0.0. Imagine the mad dash to re-establish in 0.0 and finding that all the moons etc. had been re-set?
New power blocs anyone? Oh and more NPC 0.0 space plz.
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Bodica
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:54:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Enaria Ferenic Well an Alliance m8 of mine (Baske) did propose that the best way to deal with this was via a 0.0 reset, but using RP mechanics, specifically a Jove invasion of 0.0 which would kick all players outta 0.0 and destroy all 0.0 infrastructure. Once this is complete the jove would mysteriously disappear again and players could once again enter 0.0. Imagine the mad dash to re-establish in 0.0 and finding that all the moons etc. had been re-set?
New power blocs anyone? Oh and more NPC 0.0 space plz.
we already have our "chrismas gift : QR 1.0.3. Don't ask too mutch PLEAZE !!!
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Enaria Ferenic
Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:55:00 -
[559]
Meh our Christmas gift was a drama bomb!
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Haywoode Jablome
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:58:00 -
[560]
Want to see giant alliances collapse?
Watch closely what will happen in the very near future...
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:04:00 -
[561]
I would like to ask for a massive TQ reset. Everyone starts over with 100k Skillpoints, 5K ISK and a Noobship.
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Vyktor Abyss
IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:05:00 -
[562]
Lost your name, but I'll give you 20 to 1 that the poor new guy 'CCP Fallout' takes the 'proverbial' pole up the hole.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:07:00 -
[563]
so... you banned a few pos alts... bravo - putting the gist back into logistics |
Veroid
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:09:00 -
[564]
hmm, in german eveo forum the player who got the stone rolling said that if it comes eye for an eye he could prove that a gm was involved. the one who receives his petition to this bug. he further stated that this gm probably gave the information to third persons whoever that was..
as it sounds to me, and im german, he speeks the truth...so lets see what will happen the next days
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Leakim jones
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:09:00 -
[565]
Edited by: Leakim jones on 11/12/2008 12:09:31
Originally by: Roemy Schneider so... you banned a few pos alts... bravo
Ban their IP, that will get the mains as well
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dyson mesa
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Leakim jones Edited by: Leakim jones on 11/12/2008 12:09:31
Originally by: Roemy Schneider so... you banned a few pos alts... bravo
Ban their IP, that will get the mains as well
yeah, until they got the next one from their ISP
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Jeykhwo
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:12:00 -
[567]
Originally by: Veroid hmm, in german eveo forum the player who got the stone rolling said that if it comes eye for an eye he could prove that a gm was involved. the one who receives his petition to this bug. he further stated that this gm probably gave the information to third persons whoever that was..
as it sounds to me, and im german, he speeks the truth...so lets see what will happen the next days
thus, by word on a forum you could know who is lying and who is saying the truth... You've got a carrier here m8 CIA needs you :D
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Resolute Stormbringer
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:13:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Veroid hmm, in german eveo forum the player who got the stone rolling said that if it comes eye for an eye he could prove that a gm was involved. the one who receives his petition to this bug. he further stated that this gm probably gave the information to third persons whoever that was..
as it sounds to me, and im german, he speeks the truth...so lets see what will happen the next days
If he's already banned, what is he waiting for - why not go public with all the info then.
Frankly I'll call his bluff.
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Tushani
Amarr Kamikaze Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:14:00 -
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It comes down to:
Some one at CCP (a GM we can quess)was made aware of the issue sometime around 4 years ago. However the ticket was handled as usual the logs showed nothing and nothing was done to fix it. What this person did with the info is a guess only - but I've seen POS farms set up like that in the South-West corner of eve.
It's not limited to 1-2 blocks/corps. It is (or was before the patch) spread through out EVE.
The players who have been here awhile remember fail after fail on CCP's part. This is just another example.
POS Exploit Valuable moons/belts seeded in higher frequency in certain regions the T20 debacle MS give-a-way GM's not having a clue about the game Bad customer relations Continuing to operate like a secret police organization ect fail ect fail The worst part of these problems is how CCP treats it PAYING customers. Customer Service... something CCP needs to learn. still. fast. And the whole CSM is a sop to make us think they care. /rant off
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:19:00 -
[570]
Oooh.... Here's hoping T2 module prices go back up towards pre-invention days, killing people was soooo much more worthwhile back then... --------------
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