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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff Prices are sticky, and as I said people are too dumb and spineless to raise the price to the necessary amounts, at least in my experience.
Did you ever consider that margins are so low because some have been able to produce materials out of thin air?
You should celebrate, and seriously, go look up the market logs. Prices do fluctuate quite a bit. Sticky my ass ( it's true! ).
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 Can someone explain to me why these guys where banned. Did they know they did something wrong?
Lol, nothing wrong' with creating t2 components out of thin air, the steps to reproduce this exploit cannot be found accidentially, so intent is there. in any case ignorance is not an excuse.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Miklas Laces
Originally by: Garia666 Can someone explain to me why these guys where banned. Did they know they did something wrong?
ROTFL
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well im prob the only one.. but i have no clue on what the epxloit was. I know only what i read on the forum.. www.garia.net |
Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 11/12/2008 16:03:40
Originally by: Pohbis
Originally by: Gamer4liff Prices are sticky, and as I said people are too dumb and spineless to raise the price to the necessary amounts, at least in my experience.
Did you ever consider that margins are so low because some have been able to produce materials out of thin air?
You should celebrate, and seriously, go look up the market logs. Prices do fluctuate quite a bit. Sticky my ass ( it's true! ).
I'm not sure how you think this would work, if anything cheaper reaction prices leads to cheaper component prices which leads to a cheaper build cost, which leads to higher margins.
Also I'm sure there's some nerdy economic way to explain this, but in low demand markets prices tend to get stuck more, and are harder to move, and I deal in a lot of those.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: clone 1
Originally by: Garia666 Can someone explain to me why these guys where banned. Did they know they did something wrong?
Lol, nothing wrong' with creating t2 components out of thin air, the steps to reproduce this exploit cannot be found accidentially, so intent is there. in any case ignorance is not an excuse.
ah ok cheers www.garia.net |
Fuujin
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki
A... A Jade Constantine post that I like and agree with, will wonders never cease?
Well, it IS the economic apocalypse.
That said, I don't know why people are so up in arms about CCP's slow response to this. Everyone should know that it takes them at LEAST two years to respond to any bug. Chimera model, fighter/drone blobs causing rendering lag, T20, etc. That they're a year or so outside their SLA is unfortunate, but I'm sure they'll be back up to speed shortly. |
Reckaw
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:03:00 -
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OMG RUN FOR THE EXITS!!!
Of course, the beauty of finding major issues like this is they very well reflect life now don't they? Enron, Cable and Wireless, major banks in the last 3 months, your house price and the dismal development of your 401k... we wouldn't want that type of RL drudgery to enter our pretty shiny fictional world which should be perfect... flawless from programming error... absent of the gutter elements of human nature.
You know you like the drama... just admit it... and really, the rumors are half the fun so stop asking for more details from "the Architects".
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:03:00 -
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HEy, maybe GTC's will fall back to their pre 60d levels since there will be much less demand for them as a lot of the people buying them may have gotten banned.
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GuntiNDDS
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Srioghal moDhream HEy, maybe GTC's will fall back to their pre 60d levels since there will be much less demand for them as a lot of the people buying them may have gotten banned.
with only 70 accounts being banned, i do not see how this would influence gtc prices.
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Virtuozzo
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Srioghal moDhream HEy, maybe GTC's will fall back to their pre 60d levels since there will be much less demand for them as a lot of the people buying them may have gotten banned.
They'll go up steadily as the banned folks find their way back into game and pick up their expensive habits from their untraceable npc item stacks on trial accounts :P
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. We took immediate action against the offenders and banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions.
Friggin joygasm! I endorse this tough love.
And as for comments criticizing a holier-than-thou attitude, no, not everyone would have used this exploit given the chance, and while anything you do in-game is technically utilizing a game mechanic there's a difference between that and using an unintended game mechanic. Sure, some things CCP should have seen coming like the use of Black Ops ships to evade CONCORD, but I mean come on, offlined POS components collecting materials? That didn't strike anyone as odd?
Personally I'm looking forward to whatever chaos this has on the market. Hell, combine this situation with a removal of T1 unnamed modules from missions and a minor reduction in PvE-acquired loot of all meta levels and you might even give smaller industrial entities the ability to compete with the guys holding a library of fully researched T-one BP's, thanks to the increased demand for unnamed T-one items. That's assuming that T2 suddenly flies out of the practical price range for casual players. Maybe I'm assuming too much at this point though, so meh.
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Dissonance Unit
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:11:00 -
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The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially. However, supply should increase again once players have mastered the alchemy process.
This is bogus, this is going to take more action then just sweeping it under the carpet and letting the playerbase sort it out for you.
If CCP Will do nothing and let the econamy melt (RL is one thing this is a game) then EVE finaly fails, and you loose my 2 subscriptions.
Can wy say ecanomic stimulus? Bail out plan?
I'm sure many of you will stay to rebuild but if CCP stays the course of non action and lets the fit hit the shan for the community to secure stability, then CCP finaly fails me and i walk.
I have always loved EVE, and i have only ever had a few minor issues with CCP's actions or polocy's. The game has always trumped those issues in spades considering there is nothing like it on the market. Well no i feel cheated and a bit betrayd.
CCP you pay a DR. to oversee the economy right? where did he work before... the US?... Ford?... GM... how do you not see somting like this coming?
Please CCP take some action, step up have a game plan, find a community plyable solution, implement it with some sort of transparancy...
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Ansala
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:12:00 -
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All these exploiting accounts were non-paying anyway, so banning them costs CCP nothing. In fact if someone wanted to go all tin-foil hattery, CCP is only doing this now as a revenue decision; they decided they could increase subscription income by removing this means for people to play without paying.
The entire alchemy process could be viewed as an indication they knew they were going to close this exploit and had to provide an alternative supply.
The OP says CCP received a petition and acted on it; it doesn't say this was the first, or that CCP wasn't already aware of the issue.
It is hard to believe CCP wasn't aware of this well before the petition they finally acted on.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:13:00 -
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well, Morsus Mihi sure were rich for an alliance with such AWFUL space
weren't they...
lets think about that a bit... how did they fund 8 titans from a region with 1 high end moon and no decent mining?
answers on a postcard
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Daviclond
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:13:00 -
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name and shame the alliances already i want to get my troll on
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b0nton
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dissonance Unit :emo:
Post with jermaine if you're going to quit. Also, all stuff goes to this char, thx.
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Virtuozzo
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:14:00 -
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Wes, this isn't CAOD ..
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Madius
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dissonance Unit The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially. However, supply should increase again once players have mastered the alchemy process.
This is bogus, this is going to take more action then just sweeping it under the carpet and letting the playerbase sort it out for you.
If CCP Will do nothing and let the econamy melt (RL is one thing this is a game) then EVE finaly fails, and you loose my 2 subscriptions.
Can wy say ecanomic stimulus? Bail out plan?
I'm sure many of you will stay to rebuild but if CCP stays the course of non action and lets the fit hit the shan for the community to secure stability, then CCP finaly fails me and i walk.
I have always loved EVE, and i have only ever had a few minor issues with CCP's actions or polocy's. The game has always trumped those issues in spades considering there is nothing like it on the market. Well no i feel cheated and a bit betrayd.
CCP you pay a DR. to oversee the economy right? where did he work before... the US?... Ford?... GM... how do you not see somting like this coming?
Please CCP take some action, step up have a game plan, find a community plyable solution, implement it with some sort of transparancy...
If the economy is built on lies it deserves to melt down.
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Captin Corsair
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:15:00 -
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This is truly a horrible thing to happen.
I hope CCP write up a full review letting all the players know what was going on, how it happened, how it went unnoticed for so long and what measures will be taken in future to prevent a similar situation.
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thelung187
Retrofitted Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:15:00 -
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Interesting discussion going on in the trade channels atm (/me waves to "Minerals and Manufacturing"). Rumors are a dangerous thing of course, and are entirely speculative, but the rumor is that "some" T2 BPOs were purchased with the liquid capital from the reaction exploit, and are now effectively dead due to them being on permabanned accounts.
Can anyone from CCP speak on this, as to whether any of it is true? And if it IS true, will these BPOs be re-seeded, or are they permanently gone?
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Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ansala All these exploiting accounts were non-paying anyway, so banning them costs CCP nothing. In fact if someone wanted to go all tin-foil hattery, CCP is only doing this now as a revenue decision; they decided they could increase subscription income by removing this means for people to play without paying.
The entire alchemy process could be viewed as an indication they knew they were going to close this exploit and had to provide an alternative supply.
The OP says CCP received a petition and acted on it; it doesn't say this was the first, or that CCP wasn't already aware of the issue.
It is hard to believe CCP wasn't aware of this well before the petition they finally acted on.
You have a lamentably poor understanding of the economics surrounding timecards.
You also believe the guy that posted about getting busted for cheating, when he has no motivation to tell the truth.
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Madius
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: thelung187 Interesting discussion going on in the trade channels atm (/me waves to "Minerals and Manufacturing"). Rumors are a dangerous thing of course, and are entirely speculative, but the rumor is that "some" T2 BPOs were purchased with the liquid capital from the reaction exploit, and are now effectively dead due to them being on permabanned accounts.
Can anyone from CCP speak on this, as to whether any of it is true? And if it IS true, will these BPOs be re-seeded, or are they permanently gone?
Re-seeding them would hardly matter given that the lottery is dead and gone.
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Amber Coldheart
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:18:00 -
[803]
Originally by: Dissonance Unit
CCP you pay a DR. to oversee the economy right? where did he work before... the US?... Ford?... GM... how do you not see somting like this coming?
You forgot the most obvious answer, which would be Icelands financial department
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Garia666 on 11/12/2008 16:19:52
Originally by: thelung187 Interesting discussion going on in the trade channels atm (/me waves to "Minerals and Manufacturing"). Rumors are a dangerous thing of course, and are entirely speculative, but the rumor is that "some" T2 BPOs were purchased with the liquid capital from the reaction exploit, and are now effectively dead due to them being on permabanned accounts.
Can anyone from CCP speak on this, as to whether any of it is true? And if it IS true, will these BPOs be re-seeded, or are they permanently gone?
ppl can be unbanned. again
I know an US guy who was banned for buying isk.. permanent. however he took a laywer to fight against these accusations and managed to get his account back.. altough it was prob more then a year later..
and with an -200bill in his wallet
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Gigi Kent
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: thelung187 Interesting discussion going on in the trade channels atm (/me waves to "Minerals and Manufacturing"). Rumors are a dangerous thing of course, and are entirely speculative, but the rumor is that "some" T2 BPOs were purchased with the liquid capital from the reaction exploit, and are now effectively dead due to them being on permabanned accounts.
Can anyone from CCP speak on this, as to whether any of it is true? And if it IS true, will these BPOs be re-seeded, or are they permanently gone?
This is pretty lol. --------------------------
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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 11/12/2008 16:21:12
Originally by: thelung187 Interesting discussion going on in the trade channels atm (/me waves to "Minerals and Manufacturing"). Rumors are a dangerous thing of course, and are entirely speculative, but the rumor is that "some" T2 BPOs were purchased with the liquid capital from the reaction exploit, and are now effectively dead due to them being on permabanned accounts.
Can anyone from CCP speak on this, as to whether any of it is true? And if it IS true, will these BPOs be re-seeded, or are they permanently gone?
Well considering they were probably bought with ill gotten gains what can you do? You can't give them back and they don't reseed them.
They disappear same as those on inactive accounts and other banned players. Makes me giggle that all the whiners wanted them gone out of the game and said it wasn't fair. Now they're gone everyone is hoping they'll get a reseed. Hypocrites lol
My personal view is to do a char search of really active accounts of more than one year old and less than 3 years old and randomly seed them.
/start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
Ima Near'Jita
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Manufacture well, Morsus Mihi sure were rich for an alliance with such AWFUL space
weren't they...
lets think about that a bit... how did they fund 8 titans from a region with 1 high end moon and no decent mining?
answers on a postcard
Tribute is possibly one of the top 3 regions in the game, mining is very good there, and as the recent "siege" has shown pretty damn safe,
taxi for Mr Manufature please back to Jita...
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:27:00 -
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How do you undo 4 years of unlimited wealth of that proportion? How many capitals could you fleet a month? The unbalance is beyond anything conceivable. And... I think it's just a slap in the face when CCP Wrangler says... "made it possible for some players to gain an unfair advantage over others."
WTF is that? An unfair advantage? Sure, in the least possible terms you can put it!
So tell me this... how do you intended to counter that "unfair advantage" to all those they gained an advantage from? Simply banning them, removing their assets, and killing the POS does NOTHING to balance the damage done. Give back to your players.
I propose this: For every player, they get 2 free months of game play for every year they've been playing. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
thelung187
Retrofitted Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gigi Kent
Originally by: thelung187 Interesting discussion going on in the trade channels atm (/me waves to "Minerals and Manufacturing"). Rumors are a dangerous thing of course, and are entirely speculative, but the rumor is that "some" T2 BPOs were purchased with the liquid capital from the reaction exploit, and are now effectively dead due to them being on permabanned accounts.
Can anyone from CCP speak on this, as to whether any of it is true? And if it IS true, will these BPOs be re-seeded, or are they permanently gone?
This is pretty lol.
Why?
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killerco
Gallente Dutch T2 Production
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:31:00 -
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Names please ccp Names!!!!!
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