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MyOwnSling
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: Ryel Theon
Originally by: Millenia Fallenwing Can someone please prove that BoB did not exploit this, nor were they involved with this.
You know you can't prove a negative, right?
Sure you can, but that's not how it works in the real world. Innocent until proven guilty.
A handy mechanism for MM right now, who are looking dangerously like the alliance who most 'benefitted' from this 'error'
I have neither seen nor heard anything to suggest this aside from your allegations. Not even a peep in alliance. FYI there is a reason your thread got locked. ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:14:00 -
[962]
Originally by: Straife Interesting how you're allowed to discuss exploits but close any other thread even barely resembling a tie to discussing an exploit...
So how's that new death camp working out?
quoting this so it can't be edited
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:15:00 -
[963]
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 11/12/2008 19:15:45 lol.
*slaps Ev0ke*
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:15:00 -
[964]
Originally by: James Hetfeild Getting free moon candy is bad mmmkay.
Serious question. Was the exploit only viable with ferrojello?
Nope.
I bet 100 mil isk that hypersynaptic fibers were even more produced and frauded. That material just crashed during the past weeks. Way even almost below building costs.
Why did no one of the economic team looked deeper at this? Are they only doing 'trend analysis' and fancy stuff. Don't they have even the most basic production/consumption tools?
I hope they will get better tools now so that a quick glance at the right statistics will alarm them instantly if there is something foul going on. Oh and a question. Did the economic team investigate the prices before the big bang? Are they investigating now to find out how big the damage was?
Until we get more news from CCP (which is hopefully soon) the only thing to do is to be patient.
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:15:00 -
[965]
this has been reported to ccp on a number of occasions, now theyve fixed it.
way to go ccp; whilst i dont think cheating is cool, i think your attention to the important details is severly lacking; frankly its in-excuseable.
ccp in head in backside shocker. Sorely dissapointed that your making out like this was first reported 5 days ago, when if you add 700 days to that you might get closer to the truth.
anyhow, that aside i am glad the people who kept using this got banned, however realistically, if ccp didnt care for that long, why the hell should the players.
- DAMT -
If you dont know, well, you dont know!
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Athena Attom
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:17:00 -
[966]
Edited by: Athena Attom on 11/12/2008 19:17:21
Quote: http://eve-search.com/thread/216634/page/2#47
Quote: Kieron could you check your email (I know you receive loads and are quite busy because our corp suffered from POS exploit some time ago. We petioned the event with quite a bit of evidence (fraps, howto). The GM closed the petition while providing another "solution" for the events. This caused a lot of frustration. Their solution isn't possible the given game mechanics. A second unanswered petition is still going this ages without answer while the first was lost...
Now some days ago the same exploit happened again with another G POS.
Well you can guess that we are a bit frustrated since we provided information how it happened while we get told something that doesn't even work.
</understatement>
PS: I won't go into the details because it would just get the thread locked.
One of the guys banned for this exploit. I must say I cant be the only one laughing at ccp? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Mari Katarin
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:17:00 -
[967]
Lots of people have been demanding things. I would like to make a few points why it's in CCP's best interest to dedicate resources and attention to this event.
Right or wrong, Eve has a public perception of a game where people have historically prospered through cheating. Add to that the incorrect perception that it's very difficult for a new player to compete with established ones.
Now we have an event where an unknown number of entities benefited from potential trillions of ISK over an up to 4 year period. How is a potential new player going to react to this? Will they think "well gosh, if I work real hard and sell lots of GTCs I can compete with the oldibes!" I don't think so.
The Atari boxed Eve deal is imminent. You're on the verge of resuming healthy subscriber growth. You've got the hardware to support that future growth. A good slash-and-burn policy with corpses hanging in the wind to signal a zero tolerance policy to over the top cheating (and item duplication is as bad as an MMO cheat gets) will give a green light and hope to the future arrivals. While it's true that there's no such thing as bad publicity, good publicity can have an even more pronounced positive effect.
The future of Eve is the new players. Not the current addicts or crusty exploiting trillionares. Do the right thing and spend the resources to examine DB dumps for POSes set up this way.
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MyOwnSling
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: MyOwnSling on 11/12/2008 19:17:56
Originally by: NeoTheo attention to the important details
I think this is key. If the initial reports of 4 years of misuse are proven true, then it's going to come back to this. Important details got lost/ignored/overlooked. ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
Originally by: MooKids I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:18:00 -
[969]
Who were the cheating alliances ? Names please.
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Aramith
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:18:00 -
[970]
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
BoB have moon income which is off the scale. Do you have any idea how many high end moons and T2 BPO's they have? They've been rich for a very long time.
Morsus Mihi however have had barely a handful of high-ends. There is NO OTHER ALLIANCE in the whole game who fuel the amount of POS they do, have 10+ titans, and free dreads/carriers to all members, and live in space as crappy as theirs.
Not a single one. So don't come here and say 'that can apply to any number of alliances' because the truth is that it applies to NONE. Apart from MM.
oh yes tribute is a crap region. i gues 11+ systems with crockite (3 that also contain mercoxit and have atleast 18 belts) including one with 30+ belts is complete and total crap. not to mention the complexes mentioned earlier by an MM member (atleast one 10/10 and one 8/10). yeah that is a real crap region. If that is not good enough of a region for you then maybe your standards for what is a good region are a little too high.
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Nokkan Soth
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:18:00 -
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I would like to know how CCP ignored their petition 4 years ago about the problem, and then turns around and bans the accounts? Mind you im not involved but CCP has to take the blame on this exploit effeting the whole Eve economy and I just cant wait to see what happens n the nex t month now that these suppliers are gone. CCP not responding to the original submission of the bug that was reported to them condoned the actions of those players and what they were doing. But will CCP take the blame? I doubt it, but we shall see.
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Cuchulain Spartan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Karina Bellac GM receives petition detailing how to make valuable complex reaction products "for free".
GM, for some reason, closes said petition without acting on it.
GM gets lots of ISK.
LMAO, is this man pyschic, it like he's reading my mind. I better throw my tinfoil hat on.
I hope we are both wrong.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling I have neither seen nor heard anything to suggest this aside from your allegations. Not even a peep in alliance. FYI there is a reason your thread got locked.
well, do feel free to tell us how the owners of Tribute can afford 135bn a month in POS fuel and a 2000bn isk cap fleet.
we're all ears
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Tres Miandre
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:21:00 -
[974]
Edited by: Tres Miandre on 11/12/2008 19:23:58
Originally by: Gerald Sphinx Guys, I don't know where you are getting your information from, but nowhere in the article do I see that CCP knew of the exploit for four years. All it said that the petition was submitted five DAYS before 7 Dec 2008. What sources do you use to come up with this so-called four-year conspiracy?
Until you give me hard, unadulterated, certified proof to back up such claims, I will have to take your word for it. And until then, I will trust CCP.
The primary source was from an offline article that was part of the start of this whole thing. In that forum post.. some of which is quoted earlier in this forum, he specifically claims to have petitioned the problem 4 years ago.
It is not definitive proof... yet it is not something which should be written off either... especially when there have been issues involving some players being allowed to retain advantages over others in the past.
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Serrin Shamandar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:21:00 -
[975]
Edited by: Serrin Shamandar on 11/12/2008 19:25:33
Originally by: Madius
Originally by: Serrin Shamandar
Ug, please don't hold up Blizzard's auditing as an example of something praiseworthy. Do you know the significance of the word "ruststorm"? That's a shining example of process and auditing failure.
You mean the same rust storm that wiped out countless duped and hacked items? EVE needs something like that.
Yes, but also the one that continually only caught many, some, or just a few of them. Numbers as far as "rusted" items were released, but once you lose track of duped materials - you might as well have either one or two of them - or a million.
Good auditing decreases the millions down to something manageable before it wrecks the game environment.
Edit: Also, if you're not familiar with the released details of how the ruststorms actually worked - it's an interesting read.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aramith
oh yes tribute is a crap region. i gues 11+ systems with crockite (3 that also contain mercoxit and have atleast 18 belts) including one with 30+ belts is complete and total crap. not to mention the complexes mentioned earlier by an MM member (atleast one 10/10 and one 8/10). yeah that is a real crap region. If that is not good enough of a region for you then maybe your standards for what is a good region are a little too high.
didnt you get the memo? high end complexes are no longer static and havent been for a long time
but you go ahead and believe that they fund 10+ titans, hundreds of dreads, and fuel 450 POS through a spot of mining and plex running
it sounds ever so credible
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Xarosa
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:23:00 -
[977]
Originally by: Solostrom
Demand Perma ban on any account who used it... not just the alts... every account associated! You ****ing ***holes!
Originally by: Solostrom
and where in the hell was Internal affairs group in this u useless fricking butt pirates?!?
A wise man has something to say. A fool has to say something.
Note: you're not a wise man. -)(-
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Karina Bellac
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:25:00 -
[978]
Originally by: Gerald Sphinx Guys, I don't know where you are getting your information from, but nowhere in the article do I see that CCP knew of the exploit for four years. All it said that the petition was submitted five DAYS before 7 Dec 2008. What sources do you use to come up with this so-called four-year conspiracy?
Until you give me hard, unadulterated, certified proof to back up such claims, I will have to take your word for it. And until then, I will trust CCP.
CCP, the actual company and development team, probably didn't know about this for four years. After all, all that's needed is for the GM who answered the initial petition to just close it and hope no one else on the inside notices.
Additionally, a GM protecting those using this exploit wouldn't be too hard to imagine. All they'd need to do is keep an ear to the ground on this, and as soon as anything gets to CCP "proper", quickly alert their friends and get them to online those silos and fill them with reactants. By the time CCP "proper" gets around to checking towers, the friends of said GM(s) are all running legitimate reactions. |
Caiman Graystock
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:26:00 -
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I hope those taking advantage of this exploit are permanently banned. Very good.
The fact this has been going on and only just uncovered though leaves a LOT to be desired, CCP- this has directly affected every single subsscriber- for how long? **** poor, to be honest.
I'm sure the alliances who owned the stations taking advantage of this exploit are busy feigning ignorance right now, eh.
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:26:00 -
[980]
GOD blees Chribbster and eve-search, And if this is TRUE! Shame on you CCP! and Expose the moneyprinting four!!!
taken from eve-search http://eve-search.com/thread/216634/page/2#47
Maltroc
Take me to the EVE-Online forum thread View author employment history View author posting habits View only posts by author Posted - 2005.09.01 16:30:00 - [47] Edited by: Maltroc on 01/09/2005 16:31:30
Originally by: kieronWhat Hakera said is spot on. The directives for claim reimbursement that CCP has given the GM team is the most fair based on the tools available. To be honest, most companies have a zero reimbursement policy, so EVE is a bit more free than the others.
Kieron could you check your email (I know you receive loads and are quite busy :) because our corp suffered from POS exploit some time ago. We petioned the event with quite a bit of evidence (fraps, howto). The GM closed the petition while providing another "solution" for the events. This caused a lot of frustration. Their solution isn't possible the given game mechanics. A second unanswered petition is still going this ages without answer while the first was lost...
Now some days ago the same exploit happened again with another G POS.
Well you can guess that we are a bit frustrated since we provided information how it happened while we get told something that doesn't even work.
</understatement>
PS: I won't go into the details because it would just get the thread locked.
ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Jukhta Mein
Domini Umbrus R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:27:00 -
[981]
Originally by: Mari Katarin Lots of people have been demanding things. I would like to make a few points why it's in CCP's best interest to dedicate resources and attention to this event.
Right or wrong, Eve has a public perception of a game where people have historically prospered through cheating. Add to that the incorrect perception that it's very difficult for a new player to compete with established ones.
Now we have an event where an unknown number of entities benefited from potential trillions of ISK over an up to 4 year period. How is a potential new player going to react to this? Will they think "well gosh, if I work real hard and sell lots of GTCs I can compete with the oldibes!" I don't think so.
The Atari boxed Eve deal is imminent. You're on the verge of resuming healthy subscriber growth. You've got the hardware to support that future growth. A good slash-and-burn policy with corpses hanging in the wind to signal a zero tolerance policy to over the top cheating (and item duplication is as bad as an MMO cheat gets) will give a green light and hope to the future arrivals. While it's true that there's no such thing as bad publicity, good publicity can have an even more pronounced positive effect.
The future of Eve is the new players. Not the current addicts or crusty exploiting trillionares. Do the right thing and spend the resources to examine DB dumps for POSes set up this way.
This.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:27:00 -
[982]
If only I could find a sound byte of Bender laughing. It would sum up my opinion of this thread.
Cheaters get banned. I don't give a monkeys about anything else, if the idiots responsible are at least wounded, I'm happy.
I get the feeling that CCP are going to carefully consider their responce, anyway. Makes sense.
(That said, if any of the major alliances were responsible for this, they should get their balance set to -900 Billion ISK.) ________________________________________________
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Saturo Matare
Capax Infiniti
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:27:00 -
[983]
Me already knows who was banned. Check some other forums *nudge, nudge, wink, wink*.
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Athena Attom
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:27:00 -
[984]
Originally by: C4w3 GOD blees Chribbster and eve-search, And if this is TRUE! Shame on you CCP! and Expose the moneyprinting four!!!
taken from eve-search http://eve-search.com/thread/216634/page/2#47
Maltroc
Take me to the EVE-Online forum thread View author employment history View author posting habits View only posts by author Posted - 2005.09.01 16:30:00 - [47] Edited by: Maltroc on 01/09/2005 16:31:30
Originally by: kieronWhat Hakera said is spot on. The directives for claim reimbursement that CCP has given the GM team is the most fair based on the tools available. To be honest, most companies have a zero reimbursement policy, so EVE is a bit more free than the others.
Kieron could you check your email (I know you receive loads and are quite busy :) because our corp suffered from POS exploit some time ago. We petioned the event with quite a bit of evidence (fraps, howto). The GM closed the petition while providing another "solution" for the events. This caused a lot of frustration. Their solution isn't possible the given game mechanics. A second unanswered petition is still going this ages without answer while the first was lost...
Now some days ago the same exploit happened again with another G POS.
Well you can guess that we are a bit frustrated since we provided information how it happened while we get told something that doesn't even work.
</understatement>
PS: I won't go into the details because it would just get the thread locked.
stop stealing my posts! Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Ker HarSol
Minmatar Zip - I
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:28:00 -
[985]
STOP ADDING NEW STUFF TO YOUR GAME!
Fix the bugs first g**damn!!
Postpone patches, stop developing new things. FIX YOUR GAME!!
This only happened because you add add add new stuff to it all the time but keep the old bugs and exploits in there. How much more need to happen ffs?!
Complexes broken, cosmos giving billions per hour, officers respawning at insane rates, pos giving stuff for free and thousand things more!
FIX THE GAME FIRST! |
LoganFire
Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:28:00 -
[986]
One thing that CCP are not telling you is that this exploit was used and abused by Gms, thats why it never been spotted till now I am so cool |
Aramith
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:29:00 -
[987]
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
didnt you get the memo? high end complexes are no longer static and havent been for a long time
but you go ahead and believe that they fund 10+ titans, hundreds of dreads, and fuel 450 POS through a spot of mining and plex running
it sounds ever so credible
oh yes i saw that memo but did you read the part that the complex always respawns in the same constellation. anyone with passable probing skills should be able to easily find the complex with only marginal amounts of work.
and if you call a "spot of mining" the ability to clean out all the crockite from 168 asteroid belts (48 of those belts also contain mercoxit) then i would hate to guess at what you call real mining
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Crackuji
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:29:00 -
[988]
Originally by: Athena Attom Edited by: Athena Attom on 11/12/2008 19:17:21
Quote: http://eve-search.com/thread/216634/page/2#47
Quote: Kieron could you check your email (I know you receive loads and are quite busy because our corp suffered from POS exploit some time ago. We petioned the event with quite a bit of evidence (fraps, howto). The GM closed the petition while providing another "solution" for the events. This caused a lot of frustration. Their solution isn't possible the given game mechanics. A second unanswered petition is still going this ages without answer while the first was lost...
Now some days ago the same exploit happened again with another G POS.
Well you can guess that we are a bit frustrated since we provided information how it happened while we get told something that doesn't even work.
</understatement>
PS: I won't go into the details because it would just get the thread locked.
One of the guys banned for this exploit. I must say I cant be the only one laughing at ccp?
****in hell
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Gibmundur
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:29:00 -
[989]
I remember hearing from our spy on g ts about them bragging about there pos isk printing, never did i think it was an exploit.
Can Stain Alliance plz get all the stations G seized during there campaign down in Esoteria back in 2005. kibb |
Madius
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:30:00 -
[990]
Edited by: Madius on 11/12/2008 19:31:58 Edited by: Madius on 11/12/2008 19:30:46
Originally by: Serrin Shamandar
Yes, but also the one that continually only caught many, some, or just a few of them. Numbers as far as "rusted" items were released, but once you lose track of duped materials - you might as well have either one or two of them - or a million.
Good auditing decreases the millions down to something manageable before it wrecks the game environment.
I honestly don't see how they could've done any better given the framework. They pretty much have to go through the entire server item list and compare IDs, which would be enormously stressful to do all at once.
Remember, D2/battle.net wasn't a "true" MMO and was never designed as such; it was a single-player game that could also be played online, and the data structures reflected that, for better or for worse.
Also, when I referred to Blizzard, I meant WoW in particular, which has a far better internal tracking system than D2, and I'd bet a good deal better than EVE's.
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