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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:49:00 -
[1471]
Originally by: Lord Untrustable
Originally by: Seth Vorlar
-ghost nerv (pure money grab)
For crying out loud!! You are like a freaking kid whos parents didn't give more candy...
Does ANY corporation in the world produce their product and give it to their customers as free?
Ghost training was unfair towards anyone who kept their accounts paid. IMHO CCP should run a database search and remove all ghost trained skill points. That would be fair towards us who has paid to train skills.
i agree 100%.. but it still sucked big arse balls, and wasnt needed. hell i cancelled my alt account. but in understand ccp's point... althuogh i still think it was a bad decision on their behalf. the poeple who were hardcore enough to ghost train were most likely loyal fans. and we sorta got stabbed in the back a bit _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected]) |
Algey
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:01:00 -
[1472]
Originally by: Lord Untrustable
Originally by: Katrina Marie interesting information relating to corps which have closed down (or been closed down) in the last few days:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corpchanges.html
Holy hell!
That's rubbish. That is corps who've changed alliances and such as well (Celestial Apoc are still going, they just left Resurgency).
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:04:00 -
[1473]
Originally by: Astro Glyde AP - Reykjavik, Iceland December 12, 2008 - For Immediate Release
CCP one of the worldÆs leading independent game developers, today fully disclosed details on its most recent scandal. One that could potentially have real-world implications of this most recent exploit which, some say, has been in effect for years.
The producers of EVE Online, a player-driven persistent-world massively multiplayer online (MMO) game set in a science fiction space setting. And just as in real-life, it may require a financial bailout to counter its most recent catastrophe...
[SNIP]
Senior management at CCP held high level discussions in an attempt to resolve the vast and far reaching implications.
"While most of the internal policies and decisions won't be publicly discussed, we are pleased to release this clip which clearly demonstrates our current course of action." said a senior game developer who asked to remain anonymous.
Review Video
Meh. We all know one of the C's in CCP stands for Catastrophy. It gives them and the things they do a whole lot of character IMO.
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Mister Zero
Synergy Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:05:00 -
[1474]
Originally by: Astro Glyde AP - Reykjavik, Iceland December 12, 2008 - For Immediate Release
CCP one of the worldÆs leading independent game developers, today fully disclosed details on its most recent scandal. One that could potentially have real-world implications of this most recent exploit which, some say, has been in effect for years.
The producers of EVE Online, a player-driven persistent-world massively multiplayer online (MMO) game set in a science fiction space setting. And just as in real-life, it may require a financial bailout to counter its most recent catastrophe...
[SNIP]
Senior management at CCP held high level discussions in an attempt to resolve the vast and far reaching implications.
"While most of the internal policies and decisions won't be publicly discussed, we are pleased to release this clip which clearly demonstrates our current course of action." said a senior game developer who asked to remain anonymous.
Review Video
This is epic. |
Little Daughter
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:18:00 -
[1475]
Edited by: Little Daughter on 12/12/2008 10:19:03 well, after all , does it mean high sec freighter ganking will be worth more isk than before ?????? |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:24:00 -
[1476]
Of course, everything ever said on the internet is true, especially if it's said by anonymous people with bad english.
Seriously... Most people here are truly idiots. And please, do feel offended. You deserve it. I just can't get over the amount of stupidity that permeates the forums lately.
But i guess it's the same people who will gladly take anything that a tabloid says for the absolute truth. I mean, how can it not be true, it's tabloid! It's a scandal! It MUST be true, every single word!
EVE History Wiki
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WaiKin Beldar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:30:00 -
[1477]
It's really funny what you can read on the Patch Notes of every major expansion and patch applied to this game:
"... Exploit Fixes
* Several exploits have been fixed making New Eden a better place for everyone. "
Now, you tell me, up to what extent I can believe no one of the GMs knew about this issue during the last four years. If that is so, it means plain hard incompetence. Bad,really bad, but fixable. The alternative, which is even worst, means corruption. Absolutely no good for anyone.
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Tasty Bit
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:32:00 -
[1478]
This is a great Christmas present for the players, far better than a patch. Merry Christmas, CCCP! You really cheered me up :)
4tw!
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AnobizTrade
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:33:00 -
[1479]
Originally by: Reiisha Of course, everything ever said on the internet is true, especially if it's said by anonymous people with bad english.
Seriously... Most people here are truly idiots. And please, do feel offended. You deserve it. I just can't get over the amount of stupidity that permeates the forums lately.
But i guess it's the same people who will gladly take anything that a tabloid says for the absolute truth. I mean, how can it not be true, it's tabloid! It's a scandal! It MUST be true, every single word!
HERE HERE (rabble rabble)
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Typhena
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:33:00 -
[1480]
You know what makes me really sad?
After 50 pages all we know about this event is .... nothing ! I am sorry, but I think we deserve to know what really happened.
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Karille
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:36:00 -
[1481]
Originally by: Typhena I'm being impatient.
Why don't you wait about it?
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:39:00 -
[1482]
Heh, Typhena, you kinda beat me to it. I just went through all 50 pages hoping there would be some kind of follow up response by CCP. Disappointed tho I was, I was hardly surprised. Any business worth it's salt, understands the product quality and customer satisfaction is paramount. while I believe CCP desires a quality product, customer satisfaction is apparently a long way down the ladder.
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ashellia
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:43:00 -
[1483]
lol, no use being mad guys.. just check out CAOD, the rich 0.0 folks are having a laugh about all this, "poor" empire dwellers now cant afford **** while the rich stayed rich.. 70 banned accounts? lolwut, supposed to be 700 imo.. anyways, enough of bawwwwing, just acccept all your hard work in inventions, mining etc are pretty much pointless now and just move on....
from CAOD:
Originally by: Viper ****zIe Edited by: Viper ****zIe on 12/12/2008 02:19:27
Originally by: Maltroc
In the same system we are in ,another allianze had a secret But now they have changed the posfitting quickly. And nobody banned.
Couple hours later:
[16:12] <B> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA [16:13] <B> aswell [16:13] <M> LOL [16:13] <M> bahaha [16:13] <M> eddz down [16:13] <B> no apparently [16:13] <B> they changed all their pos fits [16:13] <B> before this hit
EDIT: Added a bit of clarity and cleaned up the logs.
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Lord Untrustable
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:44:00 -
[1484]
Originally by: Fifinella Btw, has anyone checked the online game manual whether this is listed as a tip on how to make money for a beginner alliances?
I'm just saying...
Starting to get worried?
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Maximus Lennicus
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:44:00 -
[1485]
Originally by: royal killer Everyone got greedy, and when they found out about this exploit, nobody said anything
But, 4 whole years....that's like 1460 days and nobody said anything! absurd. (didn't know about this btw.)
1461..... you forgot the leap year.
PS. Nice catch CCP....better late than never But if you think about it, the longer it was left, the more they lost so the bigger the punishment.
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Typhena
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:45:00 -
[1486]
Edited by: Typhena on 12/12/2008 10:45:18
Originally by: Karille
Why don't you wait about it?
I am waiting .. but I was expecting more respect and transparency from CCP to all subscribers. I am pretty sure they will not fail to send the bill to my credit card...
--- Sig Under Construction |
Veroid
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:47:00 -
[1487]
i think that this is really going on since poses where introduced. the one who made the initial post in the german eveo forum had no reason to lie. i believe him everything he said. hes banned anyway and feels com fortable with that, cause he deserved it as he said on his own. until now a huge part of his story had been proved to be true. so why he should lie about other details ?
i also believe that those 70 banned accounts are only the peak of the iceberg. what about those 20 bob poses that were seen yesterday, exactly fitted for the exploit ? i dont believe that they all are unblamable.
so if this was the big chunk that happened it will be very unsatisfactionary for me personally. i expect a lot more to clean this up. maybe even a server reset. but that would also hurt so many innocent people.. at least every ally which is involved should be completly reseted. i dont want to lose faith in ccp. i almost just started with this game and i dont want to have to leave it. hell perhaps even ccp employees were involved. in my eyes ccp shouldnt hesitate with harsh reactions to gain back some reliance.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:47:00 -
[1488]
http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/jun04.asp
Four more events are to take place according to the prophecy and speculations about their nature abound. Many claim expertise in the prophecies, but none can inform us with any certainty about what is to transpire. The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö
omg omg the end is near
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Karille
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:51:00 -
[1489]
Originally by: Veroid i think that this is really going on since poses where introduced. the one who made the initial post in the german eveo forum had no reason to lie. i believe him everything he said. hes banned anyway and feels comfortable with that, cause he deserved it as he said on his own. until now a huge part of his story had been proved to be true. so why he should lie about other details ?
Why would he lie? Possibly to create this enormous ****storm to get back at CCP.
Originally by: Veroid i also believe that those 70 banned accounts are only the peak of the iceberg. what about those 20 bob poses that were seen yesterday, exactly fitted for the exploit ? i dont believe that they all are unblamable.
Screenshots or STFU basically. Where is the proof?
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:52:00 -
[1490]
Originally by: Tasty Bit This is a great Christmas present for the players, far better than a patch. Merry Christmas, CCCP! You really cheered me up :)
4tw!
Indeed! Now the big guys won't be stealing our pewpews! Stop whining. |
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sinqlaison
Amarr Capital Builders Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:53:00 -
[1491]
200,000 + reactions within a day, EVE rocks! Imagine 80% of all your RL countries citizens posting their surprise, anger, humor, hate and other emotions on a web site within 24 hours of a main financial scandal unfolding. Have you have heard of one lately? For the U.S. that would be a titanic thread of 220,000,000 reactions, 2,500 posts per second.
If I were CCP I would not mind seeing these type of emotions evoked. Sceptical minds might even suspect a regular scandal being planned by lurking evil GMs in CCP high-rise quarters ;-)
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WaiKin Beldar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:56:00 -
[1492]
Originally by: sinqlaison 200,000 + reactions within a day, EVE rocks! Imagine 80% of all your RL countries citizens posting their surprise, anger, humor, hate and other emotions on a web site within 24 hours of a main financial scandal unfolding. Have you have heard of one lately? For the U.S. that would be a titanic thread of 220,000,000 reactions, 2,500 posts per second.
If I were CCP I would not mind seeing these type of emotions evoked. Sceptical minds might even suspect a regular scandal being planned by lurking evil GMs in CCP high-rise quarters ;-)
Control Crowd Productions
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:01:00 -
[1493]
Originally by: Mussaschi
Originally by: Gnulpie
All the same old - and wrong - argument.
Your right it is the wrong place, but fact is that 80% of the t2 modules are sold below invention/production costs. e.g. It costs a maxrun bpc (copyslot) + datacores + research time to produce a 10 run bpc with a ME of -4. To get ME -1 you need very costly decryptors. If you take that into account, most of t2 market is shut off, specially since you can copy some t2 bpo very effectivly thus increasing the number of modules created. Apart from the few item that have such a high demand than old t2 bpo can not fill it up, the majority of the marktet is closed for inventors. Fact is fact.
Though I will never await any t2 holder to agree on that.
Sigh. Care to look the fact before posting?
1) for modules the only thing that change with ME is the quantity of minerals used, not of other components, especially not of the T2 materials or the T1 module. So the difference is usually very low isk wise.
2) yes, invention cost is much more important, but there are plenty of people that don't include the BPC cost and the datacores cost as they are "free" (in reality, self produced). Brownse a bit the forum and you will see tons of people saing that for them the datacores are free.
3) ships. Sure, there the BPO owner has a serious advantage, as the ME influence T2 components too. But still selling the right ships I get a decent quantity of isk.
It is all demand vs offer. A lot of offer, limited demand, so price go as low as possible. Add some stupid producer that don't include all his costs and you get the current situation.
About the "80% of the modules are sold below invention/production cost", what are you speaking of?
80% of the traded modules or 80% of the existent models?
80% of the traded modules? not at all.
80% of the existent modules, hardy probable, maybe 40%, but that is simply because they are modules with little use or with drawbacks against named T1.
A splendid example are the T2 Armour plates, with the same hp and more weight that the Rolled Tungsten armour plates, available in large quantities from mission runners. Here the T2 price need to be lower than the meta 4 items price. And it is not the only module where a T2 items is worse than a T1 meta 4.
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zag streller
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:02:00 -
[1494]
Given the size of this forum thread it appears to have got a large segment of the EVE player base involved. People complain about the lack of immersion in EVE. There have been parallels of such events in the real world. I worked for a major company that rigged the entire European steel market for years before being caught and subjected to gigantic fines (but they are still in business). There is an unprecedented opportunity here. Let's embrace this as a role-playing event within the EVE universe itself. We could have statements from the major faction leaders, CONCORD criminal investigations and trials with public hearings. Given how emotionally involved the players have become this could actually be turned into an epic event within the game environment itself rather than the negative and destructive RL approach thatÆs currently being pursued.
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Draahk Chimera
Caldari Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:03:00 -
[1495]
So they banned 70 alts. Oh noes!! What about the thousands of billions earned to a few alliances in game? The perticular avenue of free isk is now closed but what about friggin fairness? Will the offending alliances have all thair supercaps blown up, all their deathstars destroyed, all their dread and posfuel removed from corp hangars and all their outposts despawned? Or will every alliance who had no such exploit poses receve 1000 billion isk in chrismas gift? It doesent matter if they ban a few alt accounts if the unfair advantage they recieved isnt somehow made null by CCP.
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AnobizII
Amarr Atos Research Atos Origins
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:05:00 -
[1496]
Originally by: zag streller Given the size of this forum thread it appears to have got a large segment of the EVE player base involved. People complain about the lack of immersion in EVE. There have been parallels of such events in the real world. I worked for a major company that rigged the entire European steel market for years before being caught and subjected to gigantic fines (but they are still in business). There is an unprecedented opportunity here. Let's embrace this as a role-playing event within the EVE universe itself. We could have statements from the major faction leaders, CONCORD criminal investigations and trials with public hearings. Given how emotionally involved the players have become this could actually be turned into an epic event within the game environment itself rather than the negative and destructive RL approach that’s currently being pursued.
Awesome idea lol... I wanna be juror lol
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Alex555
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:05:00 -
[1497]
i think some hard steps should be taken.
P.S. just wanted to leave something in this epic thread
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Veroid
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:05:00 -
[1498]
Originally by: Karille
Originally by: Veroid i think that this is really going on since poses where introduced. the one who made the initial post in the german eveo forum had no reason to lie. i believe him everything he said. hes banned anyway and feels comfortable with that, cause he deserved it as he said on his own. until now a huge part of his story had been proved to be true. so why he should lie about other details ?
Why would he lie? Possibly to create this enormous ****storm to get back at CCP.
Originally by: Veroid i also believe that those 70 banned accounts are only the peak of the iceberg. what about those 20 bob poses that were seen yesterday, exactly fitted for the exploit ? i dont believe that they all are unblamable.
Screenshots or STFU basically. Where is the proof?
he doesnt bear hatred against ccp in one single word. i believe him and im a native german speaker so i think i even get whats "amongst the lines". if not, its a very very well made campaign.
i was merely asking whats up with them for real. i havent seen them on my own. and what would a ss prove ? nothing. it would just fit perfectly in my image and i think its not unlikely. and i dont want to reduce that just to bob..i think the exploit was used in large pieces of the eve universe..
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:05:00 -
[1499]
Originally by: Veroid i think that this is really going on since poses where introduced. the one who made the initial post in the german eveo forum had no reason to lie. i believe him everything he said. hes banned anyway and feels com fortable with that, cause he deserved it as he said on his own. until now a huge part of his story had been proved to be true. so why he should lie about other details ?
No reason to lie?
He has showed that he cared for the power in game using this exploit, at the same time he has showed he don't care for the other players or game balance.
So now his power has been removed, and you think that he is not bitter and angry and not trying to get back at CCP?
You have a lot of misplaced faith in the fellow humans beings.
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Major Buttache
Coded Arms
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:07:00 -
[1500]
This exploit has far reaching consequences outside of EvE. The gaming industry produces more revenue than the film industry and is set to overtake the music industry again in terms of revenue. No longer is it the preserve of geeky basement dwellers and teenagers. And EvE is the metre stick of MMO economies, more so in some respects than Second Life and quite simply an exploit of this magnitude in one of the major players of the MMO genre will not go unnoticed.
You could say that comparatively this exploit is in scale and consequence to issues of wide-spread race fixing in the horse racing industry. And before you dismiss that as wild over exaggeration and say æits only a gameÆ, no one likes to see their hard work and effort and financial investment undervalued by cheating s****in sport, games or any other endeavour.
And additionally if a controlling body of any sport or game (as happened in horse racing) demonstrates an inability to self regulate and the damage significant enough legislation may have to be introduced to police it. Personally I would welcome more robust and comprehensive legislation governing the gaming industry and stop companies hiding behind their EULAÆs and become more accountable.
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