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Bilabong Joe
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:41:00 -
[2041]
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Bilabong Joe To be honest the people this game attracts is going to spawn this type of mass exploit. You just have to sit in jita for 5 mins and see that EVERY SINGLE PERSON spamming local is trying to con people out of isk. False contracts Fake Contracts Contracts playing number games i.e. wrong ammounts, wrong value against object.
You think any one of them wouldnt take advantage of a exploit if they found one???
Unless CCP is willing to crack down Properly on the players that are out to earn an easy living instead of how the game dynamics are setup then you are fueling for this type of thing to happen.
This event has had a massive effect on the economy jita prices are going through the roof. Just this weekend : A hulk price has gone up 12 mill Falcons 5 mill Most HAC's 8-15mill increase.
my views are CCP police the game properly and stick close to the game dynamics you are trying to give us or you will leave yourself open to this attitude from the gamers..........
There's a pretty big difference between scamming and exploiting, for one thing, scamming is not against the rules.
my point is the mind set of the people doing it. These are the people looking for a short cut to make big isk, given an exploit they would snatch it up. If they where made aware that NO scam/exploit/short cut to been rich is acceptable people would know not to test there luck with the big exploits. As it is it the attitude is what ever gets you free isk is fair game to all.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:43:00 -
[2042]
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 14/12/2008 19:46:17
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Roy Boaz CCP reminds me so much of the USA'S Republican Party. Replace Haliburton with BoB, Scooter Libby with T20, etc. Scandal after scandal. Coverup after coverup.
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Time to blow up the remaining ships and move on to something else.
You just HAVE to be an NC alt..... First you start going off about BoB, T20 and CCP, and then you talk about moving on....
FYI, all available information seems to indicate this to be mostly an NC (or ex-NC) affair, with Morsus Mihi and particularly Evoke right in the thick of it!
Nothing like trying to deflect attention, ehh?
Maybe he is. But on the other hand, we KNOW you are a BoB alt. I remember your posts in the T20 incident.
It is far more likely that the exploit is not contained to the NC. It is statistically improbable. Chances are people of all alliances are involved, even though I am sure most alliances are considerably smarter than Ev0ke and used alt corps. =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Jose Jimenez
Caldari Nayashimi Natuki
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:47:00 -
[2043]
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Roy Boaz CCP reminds me so much of the USA'S Republican Party. Replace Haliburton with BoB, Scooter Libby with T20, etc. Scandal after scandal. Coverup after coverup.
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Time to blow up the remaining ships and move on to something else.
You just HAVE to be an NC alt..... First you start going off about BoB, T20 and CCP, and then you talk about moving on....
FYI, all available information seems to indicate this to be mostly an NC (or ex-NC) affair, with Morsus Mihi and particularly Evoke right in the thick of it!
Nothing like trying to deflect attention, ehh?
Prepare to get banned for lying and insinuating without any facts, and i do not mean ev0ke. since you probably got beaten ingame by mm i guess you think it is ok to spread lies on forums, yeah?
have fun
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Bilabong Joe
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:49:00 -
[2044]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 14/12/2008 19:43:41
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Roy Boaz CCP reminds me so much of the USA'S Republican Party. Replace Haliburton with BoB, Scooter Libby with T20, etc. Scandal after scandal. Coverup after coverup.
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Time to blow up the remaining ships and move on to something else.
You just HAVE to be an NC alt..... First you start going off about BoB, T20 and CCP, and then you talk about moving on....
FYI, all available information seems to indicate this to be mostly an NC (or ex-NC) affair, with Morsus Mihi and particularly Evoke right in the thick of it!
Nothing like trying to deflect attention, ehh?
Maybe he is. But on the other hand, we KNOW you are a BoB alt. I remember your posts in the T20 incident.
It is far more likely that the exploit is most likely not contained to the NC. It is statistically improbable. Chances are people of all alliances are involved, even though I am sure most alliances are considerably smarter than Ev0ke and used alt corps.
Hold on hold on the original post CLEARLY says its was multiple corps spread over a few allainces. lets not point the finger at any coalition or alliance... The individual corps are to blame for there own actions the CEO's of those corps should take full blame and not bring shame to what allaince/coalition they choose to be in.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:54:00 -
[2045]
Edited by: Jinx Barker on 14/12/2008 19:54:51 We all know only SINGLE FACT at this time: Ev0ke WAS involved. Then there were UNSUBSTANTIATED accusations against KIA and MM, which are yet to pan out - unless someone has evidence they can point me to, Ev0ke, at the moment stands alone, but not for long.
The exploit is too massive, I am sure that other 0.0 power blocs were involved in it as well, it will just take time, and willingness from CCP to pursue the matter. Which, it is possible, they will choose not to.
Cheers.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:08:00 -
[2046]
Originally by: Bilabong Joe
Hold on hold on the original post CLEARLY says its was multiple corps spread over a few allainces. lets not point the finger at any coalition or alliance... The individual corps are to blame for there own actions the CEO's of those corps should take full blame and not bring shame to what allaince/coalition they choose to be in.
No the post clearly says that 3 of the 7 corps were DIRECTLY associated with 2 alliances. And as these corps were closed you can check ingame to see which ones. The remining 4 corps weren't directly associated with any alliance. These 4 were obviouslly alt corps from smarter alliances, like BoB, RA, AAA, Goons, who knows... =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:15:00 -
[2047]
perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:17:00 -
[2048]
Edited by: Kerfira on 14/12/2008 20:22:16
Originally by: Etho Demerzel Maybe he is. But on the other hand, we KNOW you are a BoB alt. I remember your posts in the T20 incident.
Huh??? As far as I recall all I posted about that was that I understood why CCP decided not to punish T20 twice...
I remember you leading the pitchfork crowd, and not understanding how work rule infractions are customarily dealt with in Europe. You basically said that CCP could treat their employees as they pleased, and not follow their own internal procedures, where I pointed out that this may be how things are done in the US, but is generally not the case in Europe.
I didn't like the T20 case either (as I think I said at that time), but as I recall that wasn't the issue at all....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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elric gallach
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:19:00 -
[2049]
Just been on CSM chat,
No news there
2 years only
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:20:00 -
[2050]
Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 20:19:51
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
Why do people keep saying this: http://www.eve-online.com/features/Exodus/
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Delos Korelian
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:23:00 -
[2051]
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
POS came into being approximately 4 years ago, in Exodus, with moon mining and all the goodies. So, where were you, and when did you buy your account exactly?
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:24:00 -
[2052]
all i know is after 300k reads, 2k replies, ie one of the most read threads in eve, all that is going to happen is people are going to sling **** at each other untill ccp step up and give us the results, and they need to name corps, thats the only way people will stop accusing others
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Bilabong Joe
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:29:00 -
[2053]
Originally by: Xtreem all i know is after 300k reads, 2k replies, ie one of the most read threads in eve, all that is going to happen is people are going to sling **** at each other untill ccp step up and give us the results, and they need to name corps, thats the only way people will stop accusing others
WELL SAID CCP GIVE US ANSWERS AND GIVE US RESULTS You have only given us fuel for rummours and hear say so far.................
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:29:00 -
[2054]
Originally by: Kerfira
Huh??? As far as I recall all I posted about that was that I understood why CCP decided not to punish T20 twice... I remember you leading the pitchfork crowd, and not understanding how work rule infractions are customarily dealt with in Europe.
You basically said that CCP could treat their employees as they pleased, and not follow their own internal procedures, where I pointed out that this may be how things are done in the US, but is generally not the case in Europe.
I didn't like the T20 case either (as I think I said at that time), but as I recall that wasn't the issue at all....
Yes because firing an employee who screwed with the firm is completely unreasonable and against EU laws... I remember you arguing about laws, then, when I proved you wrong, you changed yoru argument to worker unions, and when I proved you wrong again you changed you argument again to lack of professionals in the field, which I had to debunk yet again...
But that is an old story and not the case here. The case here is that you are a BoB alt. You attempted to quelch the fires when the scandal was on them, at that time. Now you attempt to burn only a few alliances that happen to be hostile to them, when it is more than likely that they are also part of this. It is pretty obvious to me. =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Ragya
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:43:00 -
[2055]
No news from CCP? Update was expected this week end? US time?
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Bilabong Joe
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:46:00 -
[2056]
Originally by: Ragya No news from CCP? Update was expected this week end? US time?
Nothing to do with eve runs on US time so nope doubt that mentioned. they said there having a meeting this weekend not that they would give us an update.
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Karille
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:47:00 -
[2057]
Originally by: Bilabong Joe
Originally by: Ragya No news from CCP? Update was expected this week end? US time?
Nothing to do with eve runs on US time so nope doubt that mentioned. they said there having a meeting this weekend not that they would give us an update.
Expect the CSM meeting minutes late Monday.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:03:00 -
[2058]
Originally by: CSM Bunyip Hello all,
Meeting is about to begin. For anybody interested, the chat channel 'CSM Chat' is available if you'd like to speak to a delegate. I, and the rest of the CSM team, look forward to getting some answers for you.
This is all I've heard so far.
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Arthur Miller
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:44:00 -
[2059]
I got nothing to say really i am just posting in an epic thread
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Vibora BR
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:55:00 -
[2060]
I love seeing cheaters getting caught.
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MMXMMX
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:05:00 -
[2061]
Quote: Update: This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend.
STIL NO NEWS FROM CCP ?
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:33:00 -
[2062]
From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
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Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:35:00 -
[2063]
CCP! Stay away from my Mega Pulse II's and my T2 ships!!!
:(((( -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!" |
Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:41:00 -
[2064]
Hmmm i was wondering from quite some time how could some afford so so much and others had to do it the hard way, interesting to see that a large group of people could elude and ripoff CCP for such a long time, and at the same time, well i don't want to believe that CCP staff is so naive as to let things stay with just a couple bans and starbases getting nuked.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.14 23:03:00 -
[2065]
Edited by: Jinx Barker on 14/12/2008 23:07:46
Originally by: CSM Short Update ...Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months....
I call bull dung on that one. Not to CSM, but to CCP trying to tell us that this thing has been "widely" abused for 2 months. What does "widely" mean, anything? Does it mean instead of repeated abuse for over the years by some, thus leaked out, and others just jumped on the bandwagon?
I am not going to say the words Cover Up, not yet.... not until CCP actually comes out with the report. But, from the carefully orchestrated wording, I would say I need to sharpen my pocking stick.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.14 23:08:00 -
[2066]
Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 23:08:05
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: CSM Short Update ...Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months....
I call bull dung on that one. Not to CSM, but to CCP trying to tell us that this thing has been "widely" abused for 2 months. What does "widely" mean anything? Does it mean instead of repeated abuse for over the years by some, thus leaked out, and others just jumped on the bandwagon?
Yeah, I agree, If anything it seems like a confirmation that it's been in the game since 4 years ago but wasn't largely exploited till two months ago.
Although I have to wonder about the definition of "widely" here.
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.12.14 23:08:00 -
[2067]
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: CSM Short Update ...Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months....
I call bull dung on that one. Not to CSM, but to CCP trying to tell us that this thing has been "widely" abused for 2 months. What does "widely" mean anything? Does it mean instead of repeated abuse for over the years by some, thus leaked out, and others just jumped on the bandwagon?
Meens that this is big enough for being covered and actually save what little face CCP has left, these guys robbed CCP big time and got away with it. _____________________________________
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.14 23:43:00 -
[2068]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
Thank you for the update.
Just one comment. The volume of raw materials traded in the market is just PART of the problem. The manufactured T2 products that they most certainly dumped at the market and what was done outside the market may potentially be many times worth the previous value. =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
elric gallach
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:09:00 -
[2069]
Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 20:19:51
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
Why do people keep saying this: http://www.eve-online.com/features/Exodus/
Because of this ?http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21936
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Power Hungry
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:16:00 -
[2070]
I think we are looking at it the wrong way. The exploit has been benefiting the people that have utilized it, and that is quite correct. However, the calculations that some people are making is wrong. The number of reactions would still be the same.IMHO The way to calculate it is to calculate what would be the total saving they made by not paying for the manufacturing of the reaction and not how much was manufactured. Most likely the poses would still be there and making the reaction regardless of the exploit. Obviously this is wrong if! it's not profitable to do the reaction unless you utilized the exploit
I have read most of the comments, they all seem to be blending in to one, maybe someone has already pointed that out.
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