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Corpse Female
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:08:00 -
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People want names ???? ROFL, wanna be internet spaceship gangsters, pretending to prepare to deliver their own brand of justice. All they need are the names, something that won't/can't/shouldn't happen, so we will never get to see the true extent of their almighty oog powers. Reasoning won't work with that mindset. Can't work, won't work, don't try. They can/will only reply with lame queries and questions and insults. Not happy with ccps bannings and POS removals? What do you wont? Jailtime? Its just an internet space game. Banned charachters -- they played their high risk way and lost - big time. CCP's job is done imho, an anyone that can reason will no doubt agree --- ie noone is going to be doing that exploit again. Fixed.
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Niko Takahashi
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:10:00 -
[2372]
Originally by: Aargh Either you believe that CCP are acting in good faith, or you do not. That's it.
Asking for "proof" of action in a digital world they have total discretionary power over is the most insane thing ever.
Let alone all these elaborate theories. You know why T20 went to such lengths to conceal his impact on EVE? Because he knew that if the rest of CCP caught him at it (people who are in every other alliance in game) they'd tear him a fresh *******. What suprises me about the whole T20 deal is that he's still at the company. I'd be curious as to how many people sit at the same table with him in the canteen though.
If CCP want to cheat, here's a newsflash -
THEY COULD AND WE'D NEVER FIND OUT.
You either subscribe to the fact the system is basically fair or you stop subscribing. Quit with your whole "OMG, SOMEONE BLOWED UP TEH WORLD TRADE CENTRE WITH CONTROLLED EXPLOSIFS!!!" rationale.
This
Its a question of trust and if if you like the game enough to go through this. From what my persona experience is iam sceptical will it stop me from playing hmmm no. They made a dam good game :D. But compared to other companies they are actually now doing quite a lot to restore my faith. So its like this you either go on or not in case you are ****ed enough to leave .. CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF :D Fly safe folks
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KilljoyChaos
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:13:00 -
[2373]
This went from CCP telling us that they are trying to work the problem out to people fighting with each other over issues that they dont even know about. You cant say any thing bad about CCP unless your part of them and know they are doing a "bad job". Chill out and wait for more info from them. Obviously they arent goin to tell us anymore than what they know. You expect them to just magically have the anwsers to problems that they prolly didnt expect to have. Wow you emo weirdos really do need to either get a life outside of EVE or find a different game that doesnt have any problems... wait I dont think there is a game like that, dang. And we post stuff like this telling people they are wasting their time because you are wasting your time and ours when we try to read thru this stuff and all we get blah blah blah we hate each other between people that, for one thing should be glad they did get some response from CCP and the fact that in the end of all this emo crap you will still live. So wtf is your problem? Calm down it is just a game, its not real. Come back to Earth for like two seconds and you'll realize that.
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Mass Attack
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:20:00 -
[2374]
Oh yeah, and on the new Eve server, no CCP employees are allowed to play.
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Minny Sky
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:28:00 -
[2375]
All I can say at this point is wow.
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Jon Rocks
Amarr Rothana Heavy Industries The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:42:00 -
[2376]
WOW is right. I clicked to last page and tried reading a few pages back and my eyes started bleeding at all the rubbish.. This thread as gone to the toilet. JR
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Aglibol
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:47:00 -
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I'm so about to get flamed, so before I start working this post, I'm going to outline what we obviously know:
1) People are greedy. 2) People will get every advantage they can, usually. 3) CCP has had some issues in the past with honest GM's
Yes people were getting an unfair advantage, and that sucks, but they are paying for it now. To think that CCP as a whole is always trying to scam and let people cheat is a bit paranoid, me thinks. I'm sure after the last fiasco there were policies put in place to correct abusing behavior on employees behalf. Ultimately, you have to decide for yourself if this is something that you can tolerate in a game, and if it isn't cancel your subscription. Other than that, do you honestly think that your ,complaining really matters to CCP? It doesn't as long as you're shelling that 15 dollars a month. Now say they dropped a thousand member in a month, they'd stand up and say, "oh crap". Ultimately, all I'm saying is complaining is a huge waste of your time, nothing is going to change.
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Oberst McClain
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:56:00 -
[2378]
Hello, it is sad, that there is a exploit, but ccp has step in at the moment they know about the exploit and that is good.
And i think it where mention befor, it is EvE not a fusion reaktor, and here even Fusionreaktor software have bugs....
The only thing we can hope is CCP take aktions, to prevent it happend again.
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oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.20 07:12:00 -
[2379]
80 pages i cant go trough all those so can someone give me names? I WANT NAMES DAMMMIT
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raven415
Caldari Special Projects Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.20 07:19:00 -
[2380]
I see no need to post the names to make the exploiters more famous. the amounts might be cool to know but as to who, why reward them with fame.
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Kaiden Exeider
Gallente Astrowork Systems
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Posted - 2008.12.20 07:20:00 -
[2381]
I dont mean to sound ignorant. But could someone explain to me what exactly has been going on?
-Kaiden Kaiden Exeider - CSM Candidate |
POS Trader
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Posted - 2008.12.20 07:26:00 -
[2382]
Originally by: Kaiden Exeider I dont mean to sound ignorant. But could someone explain to me what exactly has been going on? -Kaiden
LOL LOL LOL LOL
Oh wait,
LOL LOL LOL
Are you serious?? |
oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.20 07:28:00 -
[2383]
Originally by: raven415 I see no need to post the names to make the exploiters more famous. the amounts might be cool to know but as to who, why reward them with fame.
fame? its a online game and theire banned ffs,so who cares about them..but i still want names
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Kaiden Exeider
Gallente Astrowork Systems
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Posted - 2008.12.20 07:29:00 -
[2384]
all Ive been reading is, there is a starbase exploit. but i haven't been able to find how it was done and what is being exploited.
so could someone explain it to me please. Kaiden Exeider - CSM Candidate |
oodin
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.20 07:29:00 -
[2385]
Originally by: Kaiden Exeider I dont mean to sound ignorant. But could someone explain to me what exactly has been going on?
-Kaiden
someone solved the energy crisis by making machines run forever without using any energy and now the oil barons are mad
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Kimi Nogura
Caldari Tech 2 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2008.12.20 07:41:00 -
[2386]
Data Mining this volume of information for this extended a period takes a lot of time.
People really do need to learn some patience here. Over 70 bans in the first week is probably just the beginning of the drama to come folks. Now CCP has to rinse and repeat all the way back to 2004. Then they have to do account linking searches for all accounts that are email linked or physical address or credit card information linked. Then they have to do IP Login links to match for related accounts from the same offenders and multiple RL ppl using shared accounts to login. Its not a easy process and is very time consuming. Then they will probably scan action logs of the banned to see who did what that was suspicious after the exploit was announced to find some "after the fact" accomplices that might have transfered assets or assisted in doing it.
Are they gonna be able to nail everyone who participated ? I seriously doubt it. Are they trying hard ? I would like to believe so Are they not gonna name and shame no matter how much ppl ask ? Yep
In the end all that really matters is will they achieve the restoration of a level playing field and removal of as many of the exploiters as they can.
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Tvaishk Suzuki
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.12.20 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kimi Nogura Data Mining this volume of information for this extended a period takes a lot of time.
People really do need to learn some patience here. Over 70 bans in the first week is probably just the beginning of the drama to come folks. Now CCP has to rinse and repeat all the way back to 2004. Then they have to do account linking searches for all accounts that are email linked or physical address or credit card information linked. Then they have to do IP Login links to match for related accounts from the same offenders and multiple RL ppl using shared accounts to login. Its not a easy process and is very time consuming. Then they will probably scan action logs of the banned to see who did what that was suspicious after the exploit was announced to find some "after the fact" accomplices that might have transfered assets or assisted in doing it.
Are they gonna be able to nail everyone who participated ? I seriously doubt it. Are they trying hard ? I would like to believe so Are they not gonna name and shame no matter how much ppl ask ? Yep
In the end all that really matters is will they achieve the restoration of a level playing field and removal of as many of the exploiters as they can.
One of the best posts in the hole dam thread. Wish I could of been able to say that myself, at it just seems some much that many of your are witch hunting for the soul reason that you like to stare into the fire at the end.
post above Signed o/ ---
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Innocent II
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Posted - 2008.12.20 08:26:00 -
[2388]
I read the link.
This is enough for me to stop posting and give the keyboard back to my friend, this is not enough for me to pay more RL money, maybe this will change if CCP can show they are hard workers at killing cheats and fixing EvE. I will not be seeing the forums for this so CCP will have to show this in a clear way to the whole world for me to see it.
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Warrio
Southern Cross Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.20 08:41:00 -
[2389]
2387th!! \o/
Way to go CCP! Cheats getting banned is always a creator of lulz. sXe |
Hagan Sirius
Gallente Monkey Universe Corporation Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2008.12.20 09:06:00 -
[2390]
Originally by: Innocent II Edited by: Innocent II on 20/12/2008 08:28:27 I read the link.
This is enough for me to stop posting and give the keyboard back to my friend, this is not enough for me to pay more RL money, maybe this will change if CCP can show they are hard workers at killing cheats and fixing EvE. I will not be seeing the forums for this so CCP will have to show this in a clear way to the whole world for me to see it.
Question is how You can be satisfied, what CCP must to do, to give to people feelings "its all OK now". I see here alot of paranoic posts "They are evil, They are lieing". But how CCP can proof themself? Maybe some names and after that some angry mob with torches and forks can make peoples satisfied, also maybe some GM blood at the end can make those people happy and satisfied - but only for few seconds. I dont want to know how bad some peoples must be frustrated in RL, when they are so frustrated here. Sorry for my english.
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TweakBoy
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Posted - 2008.12.20 09:09:00 -
[2391]
Well this makes perfect sense to me. Everytime I petition something I get the same answer...
"No errors in server side log"
Maybe I need to consider more carefully
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Jedziah
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.12.20 09:17:00 -
[2392]
Originally by: Kaiden Exeider all Ive been reading is, there is a starbase exploit. but i haven't been able to find how it was done and what is being exploited.
so could someone explain it to me please.
From what I have read around a multitude of forums, the POS bug essentially incorporated an issue where the owner/s of the POS were able to shut down an input silo after a short period of time running.
The standard response for the system would be for the entire chain to stop, however the rest of the reaction chain would continue to run, hence creating an abundance of reacted materials such as Ferrogel without any input reactants.
I am shocked that those involved were able to keep this under wraps for so long. In many ways, some Kudos has to go to them for the period of time they kept it running, but CCP also have to be commended for swiftly serving the correct line of action once the exploit was made aware to their GM's.
It looks like supply for the current Eve market is going to fall pretty rapidly once the large amounts of complex materials find their way off the market, hopefully the backlash in T2 price increase will not be too sharp.
-Jed
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.20 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 20/12/2008 10:03:53 It is not allowed to discuss the exploit as to explain how it works.. Unless you want a ban or something.
About the update: I am happy that CCP is giving out information about what its doing and how the research about the exploit is going, as transparency creates trust.
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El Kaposo
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.12.20 10:43:00 -
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i just hope the concerned offenders didn't see it coming and invested those ill gotten fortunes ingame.
it did damage the game economy and the effects probably will last a while, but i would really dislike them having made this a business with rl consequences.
several trillion isk which is spoken about, thats easily a 6 figure dollar amount. that this conversion is still taken place, even though not allowed is evident with all the farming.
well, you can ban them, and take their virtual toys. but what if they have already crossed into real life assets? i don't think the arm of justice can be as far reaching and maybe, just maybe, some of them are quietly laughing into themselves, looking at a fat bank account.
i for one will be curious to see what the investigation brings about, although i am not sure if the community will get all the information they might want to have, such as if this issue has gone into isk conversion as well. |
Liza la'fabre
Gallente Keep It Simple Stupid
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:06:00 -
[2395]
Pfffft what's the fuss. Can i have there stuff ?
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:10:00 -
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Sorting this thing out is in CCPs own best interest. I'm confident that they will dig through as far as humanly possible.
When they are through, and tell us "Hey folks, we're through and banned everyone involved.", I, for my part, am satisfied. We won't get the names, or even corp / alliance names, but I respect CCP privacy guidelines.
Some of the players will (and can't possibly) ever be satisfied with any response of CCP. Pitty for them, their overall negative attitude will surely not improve their game or life experience.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
So you say. I disagree. See I happen to pay for them to play this nice game.
Exactly. You are a customer. That's it. Nothing more.
You can't walk in to your hypothetical bank and demand a list of employees who are slack, or a list of customers who have had their accounts closed.
If you don't like the service your bank provides, or you don't trust them, then you get to close your account and move to a different one.
Same here.
You have a serious ego problem. You are not as important as you think you are. You are entitled to the information that CCP decides to give you, and nothing more. The things you ask for will not do anything to change the in-game situation, it will make no improvements, and as we have already seen it will never be enough for you.
Like all customers your power is your ability to vote with your wallet. You don't get to run the company, or demand they run their business how you want. Get over yourself.
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:16:00 -
[2398]
Originally by: QTab
I hope this letter finds you in better physical health than it does your mental health.
The agreement CCP makes with it's subscribers legally prohibits them from revealing what accounts/characters/players are found in violation of the EULA it is a standard in all such agreements from all online gaming companies and alot of other companies as well for example development companys, security companys, healthcare companys, insurance companys, financial companys all do the same thing for one single reason, the expectation of privacy. I doubt very much that you'd appreciate it if I asked CCP to give me your registration details so I could phone you up in the middle of the night to impress you with the vocabulary of profanitys I might like to call you. that presumably is the only reason you ask for said information because you cannot use it in any way to confirm any bans of accounts because the characters on banned accounts are deleted from the database, and even if they weren't you would need access to the DB that no player/customer should ever have.
lol. That is not what some players want or want to do with the information, nor the reason we want it.
If you could link the part in EULA where it says that Character names (i.e. QTab - not your REAL NAME or personal details) is not the property of CCP like everything else in the game then please do. If you have signed or agreed to such a EULA where you have any kind of control over what they do with their in-game content in relation to your non-RL information I'd be very interested in seeing it.
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:23:00 -
[2399]
Originally by: Avon
Exactly. You are a customer. That's it. Nothing more.
You can't walk in to your hypothetical bank and demand a list of employees who are slack, or a list of customers who have had their accounts closed.
If you don't like the service your bank provides, or you don't trust them, then you get to close your account and move to a different one.
Same here.
You have a serious ego problem. You are not as important as you think you are. You are entitled to the information that CCP decides to give you, and nothing more. The things you ask for will not do anything to change the in-game situation, it will make no improvements, and as we have already seen it will never be enough for you.
Like all customers your power is your ability to vote with your wallet. You don't get to run the company, or demand they run their business how you want. Get over yourself.
I don't think anyone is under any illusion that what we say has much sway. Certainly not on an individual basis. Once again, we realise that CCP can do as they so wish, it's their game - they reveal what they want to, make any changes they want to. We do indeed ultimately vote with our wallets - yet as subscribers are still entitled to voice opinions - one of which is that the names should be revealed. If CCP don't like that opinion, or it's subscribers voicing them, then fine. Moderate the posts and/or start banning players for speaking out.
It shouldn't really concern you or I so much what Etho says, the same with you not being concerned so much for my opinions.
Ultimately, it is for CCP to work out if public opinion one way or another is likely to affect their bottom line and act as they see fit.
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Jonnten Nichs
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:23:00 -
[2400]
Originally by: QTab ow ... two etho slapping posts in a row .... I do apologise
Please don't. He probably needs about 10 more and that will only satisfy the rest of the mob and do nothing to him. |
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