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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:58:00 -
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Exploit exposure triggers price hike, those responsible suddenly have vast amounts of a resource that has suddenly increased in value.
People are making a killing over these events, then suddenly market data gets removed. Given that any exploit that reportedly lasts as long as 4 years WILL have come to CCP attention things look fishy- would CCP have acted at all if that post on scrapheap hadn't been made? Similarities to t2 are starting to appear
Good thing i bought more tinfoil recently, i think my hat needs another layer There was even talk of French toast
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Stunna Shade
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Chatea OMFG YOU HAVE MORE PIXELS IN YOUR PIXEL HANGAR! YOUR PIXEL WALLET HAS MORE NUMBERS! WHY DOES JESUS LET THIS HAPPEN?!?!?!
you posted in caps you also made jesus cry
pixel jesus.
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ima Alt
Originally by: GuntiNDDS Edited by: GuntiNDDS on 11/12/2008 01:51:59 not only the domain market is missing numbers:
Ferrogel market in sinq laison
Yeah, they claim to be out of the office and unable to comment on the issue, but they have plenty of time to tamper with price histories. Also, lots of manpower availiable to lock all the threads in general except the one where all the fanboys and BoB pets come out to suck up.
Badly done, chaps.
Quotin' dis for da truth -----
Originally by: Haakkon I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:02:00 -
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Utterly massive cheating and CCP wont even tell the players the scope of it.
But then did you expect anything else.
This is supposed to be an economic game and the economy is a manipulated joke.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Spathi
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek That reads as a yes to me.
Which just proves it doesn't matter what anyone says (with or without proof) you'll still not believe anything bob says. CCP has said they removed all the exploiting pos already, our pos are still up and working (go check!) which proves they weren't exploiting. Since you wont believe that you'll just claim ccp allowed us to keep them. Which proves my point nicely :)
Go on, give it a press! |
Lady Oracle
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:06:00 -
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Placid is missing numbers on Ferrogel also
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:10:00 -
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BIG THING:
It's not just the ferrogel!!! It's ALL of the adv. moon materials. Seriously, go check out each and every single one. At least in Forge region, it's done for all of 'em, probably everywhere else too. -----
Originally by: Haakkon I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Ima Alt
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Oracle Placid is missing numbers on Ferrogel also
In Domain, numbers aren't merely missing, they've been altered to make it appear that the ferrogel panic never took place.
Evidence of lots of people's profits have been neatly taken off the books, no muss no fuss.
It now reports that there was 512,002 volume with a maximum price of 27,000. The lowest sell order in the region right now is above that.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:12:00 -
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While I may be missing the topic, if CCP really has any form of effective transactional rollback capability for their databases, the missing market history could be very easily explained by rolling back the market transactions by offending parties sales (removing the ISK they gained), without affecting the people who actually bought the ferrogel (which is a separate transaction).
If this is the case, then the missing market history just shows how deep this rabbit hole of an exploit runs.
Improve Market Competition! |
Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:13:00 -
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Those crazy Icelanders
............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots. |
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Kulmid
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kulmid on 11/12/2008 02:15:09
Originally by: Ima Alt
Originally by: Lady Oracle Placid is missing numbers on Ferrogel also
In Domain, numbers aren't merely missing, they've been altered to make it appear that the ferrogel panic never took place.
Evidence of lots of people's profits have been neatly taken off the books, no muss no fuss.
It now reports that there was 512,002 volume with a maximum price of 27,000. The lowest sell order in the region right now is above that.
nevermind
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Ja'Anarria
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:18:00 -
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What CCP didn't say is that they've used their banhammer widely, and banned accounts and players who were in any way associated with the exploits, whether it was to their knowledge or not. I hope that they'll consider the petitions that some honest folk are submitting, and consider innocent until proven guilty as at least a possible guideline in these proceedings, especially given the gross negligence on CCP's part in letting this go for so long.
This needs to be discussed widely, with all the facts in public. If CCP decides to try to control this conversation and the information around it, that would truly be a shame. A damn, dirty, facist shame.
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Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:21:00 -
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I once heard a guy in corp, shall remain nameless for now, that said he had a network of power friends that had over 2trillion in Assets. He also stated it funded a huge chunk of some relatively recent 0.0 politics.
I always wrote it off as crazy talk...but it certainly fits the mold of the stories coming out quite well.
There are certainly ways to make money in Eve, but they aren't done in these quantities legit by a single person or small group.
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Bodhisattvas
Crepitus Ventris
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 11/12/2008 02:22:05
Originally by: Ghoest Utterly massive cheating and CCP wont even tell the players the scope of it.
But then did you expect anything else.
This is supposed to be an economic game and the economy is a manipulated joke.
YI ****ing WHAT!!! Shut ya faeces ya big ****ing carebear !! Its an internet spaceship game with many possibilities of stabbing folk in the face wiv pointy spaceships !!! economics is for the charlatans of rl.
Now you gone and broke **** ccp !!!!
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GateScout
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Spathi
Originally by: Tarron Sarek That reads as a yes to me.
Which just proves it doesn't matter what anyone says (with or without proof) you'll still not believe anything bob says. CCP has said they removed all the exploiting pos already, our pos are still up and working (go check!) which proves they weren't exploiting. Since you wont believe that you'll just claim ccp allowed us to keep them. Which proves my point nicely :)
"There are no American tanks in Baghdad!"
Is that you Baghdad Bob?
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Kahrek Laume
Gallente Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:22:00 -
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Wow, now the EVE economy truly emulates the real world markets.
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:22:00 -
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So suddenly a lot of infinite-ISK folks have disappeared from the demand side of the GTC market. That's good news for the limited-ISK folks like me!
How long will it take the stockpiles of reaction products to disappear? I wonder if this is why the quarterly economic newsletter was delayed?
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:24:00 -
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Ok, so I don't know exactly what happened. The best I can gather was there was/is an exploit with moon mining. That this exploit was used by several individuals and three of the most powerful alliances in-game (I can think of one which is not unknown to controversy).
I want to know the extent of the damage. Will this cause Tech-II prices to skyrocket? Will tech-II manufacturing become even more viable than it is now? What are the pros/cons? |
Ima Alt
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kulmid Edited by: Kulmid on 11/12/2008 02:16:48
Originally by: Ima Alt
Originally by: Lady Oracle Placid is missing numbers on Ferrogel also
In Domain, numbers aren't merely missing, they've been altered to make it appear that the ferrogel panic never took place.
Evidence of lots of people's profits have been neatly taken off the books, no muss no fuss.
It now reports that there was 512,002 volume with a maximum price of 27,000. The lowest sell order in the region right now is above that.
I'm assuming that's because this has just taken place, market data will update to reflect this at downtime. Unless I'm missing something.
Well, the fact that these prices were correctly reporting before, are altered rather than just blanked, and only affect advanced moon minerals that were a part of today's panic seems to rule out a glitch. Well it does unless you are a total coincidence theorist.
Fact is, you had an exploit that benefited certain parties greatly followed up by an alteration of historical data that again benefited the same parties. The guys who were doing these exploits weren't throwing up POSes with their mains - they used alts. Those alts are now banned, but the fruits of their exploitation could well be in the hands of the mains, who AGAIN, benefited from today's market panic.
With the change to market histories, it was like all the crazy buying and selling today never took place. Some real life money was made in Eve, today, and CCP seems to be covering somebody's tracks.
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Apaco lypse
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:25:00 -
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haha usa economy sucks soo bad that we pulled down eve's MUWHAHAHAA
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Marco P
Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kahrek Laume Wow, now the EVE economy truly emulates the real world markets.
Does that mean now is a good time to buy property in Jita?
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Fifinella
Caldari Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Fifinella on 11/12/2008 02:30:43
Originally by: Ima Alt Yeah, they claim to be out of the office and unable to comment on the issue, but they have plenty of time to tamper with price histories. Also, lots of manpower availiable to lock all the threads in general except the one where all the fanboys and BoB pets come out to suck up.
Sheesh, calm down. It's midnight in Iceland, you think their board of directors is sitting in their office, business as usual, at that hour?
The forum moderators have shifts to cover 24/7, but the actual working people in the corporation might have normal working hours. Which doesn't mean being at the office at midnight.
And are they tampering with the price histories _now_, or did they do it during business hours? You obviously know. I don't.
Edit: Oops, it's actually past 2 AM in Iceland now, the forum clock's on their time.
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BloodyWomble
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Marco P
Originally by: Kahrek Laume Wow, now the EVE economy truly emulates the real world markets.
Does that mean now is a good time to buy property in Jita?
Not really they'll do what they did in california and burn it down to the ground and blame it on forest fires and just claim on the insurance.
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Szent AdamKiraly
Banana.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:29:00 -
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4 years?
Hang on,
4 years?!
Well i ****ing lol'd.
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Ima Alt
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 02:29:58
Originally by: Fifinella And are they tampering with the price histories _now_, or did they do it during business hours? You obviously know. I don't.
It happened about an hour and a half ago. Many people were watching the markets due to the advanced moon mineral panic that now apparently didn't happen.
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Kulmid
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ima Alt Well, the fact that these prices were correctly reporting before, are altered rather than just blanked, and only affect advanced moon minerals that were a part of today's panic seems to rule out a glitch. Well it does unless you are a total coincidence theorist.
I don't think there is any incorrect pricing going on here. The first thing I did when I saw this thread is log on my Jita alt to buy up all the cheap advanced materials I could. Unfortunately, it seems I had already been beaten to the punch. This is all I think is happening right now, everyone is buying it up to hold on to it till it becomes a bit more expensive. No hiding market data, no cover ups. It just simply is not visible on the market history as it has occurred in the last 5 hours.
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Elisa Day
Shade. Penumbra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tobin Shalim BIG THING:
It's not just the ferrogel!!! It's ALL of the adv. moon materials. Seriously, go check out each and every single one. At least in Forge region, it's done for all of 'em, probably everywhere else too.
It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar.
So it could be 1. CONSPIRACY or 2. Completely normal market history glitch that happens almost every day.
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Kulmid
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Kulmid on 11/12/2008 02:33:59
Originally by: Ima Alt It happened about an hour and a half ago. Many people were watching the markets due to the advanced moon mineral panic that now apparently didn't happen.
What happened? Do you have before this so called cover up, and after? All I see is a bunch of people buying up what they now consider to be cheap Advanced Materials, and are already beginning to resell them. Prices for Ferrogel have come down 2.5k in the last 2 hours alone.
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Apaco lypse
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Elisa Day
Originally by: Tobin Shalim BIG THING:
It's not just the ferrogel!!! It's ALL of the adv. moon materials. Seriously, go check out each and every single one. At least in Forge region, it's done for all of 'em, probably everywhere else too.
It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar.
So it could be 1. CONSPIRACY or 2. Completely normal market history glitch that happens almost every day.
it's every t2 item including ships
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bodhisattvas Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 11/12/2008 02:22:05
Originally by: Ghoest Utterly massive cheating and CCP wont even tell the players the scope of it.
But then did you expect anything else.
This is supposed to be an economic game and the economy is a manipulated joke.
YI ****ing WHAT!!! Shut ya faeces ya big ****ing carebear !! Its an internet spaceship game with many possibilities of stabbing folk in the face wiv pointy spaceships !!! economics is for the charlatans of rl.
Now you gone and broke **** ccp !!!!
Noob doesnt realize 5 ships beats 1 ship.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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