Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 [12] 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 .. 95 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
Ima Alt
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:37:00 -
[331]
Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 02:38:40
|
mishkof
Caldari Dirty Denizens
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:39:00 -
[332]
Please give us more details CCP.
It will be a good read and will go well with my corn flakes tomorrow morning.
|
Solostrom
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:40:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Ima Alt Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 02:38:40
Market panic in full effect!
|
Ima Alt
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:41:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Elisa Day It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar.
Wrong.
|
Bodhisattvas
Crepitus Ventris
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:42:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Bodhisattvas Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 11/12/2008 02:22:05
Originally by: Ghoest Utterly massive cheating and CCP wont even tell the players the scope of it.
But then did you expect anything else.
This is supposed to be an economic game and the economy is a manipulated joke.
YI ****ing WHAT!!! Shut ya faeces ya big ****ing carebear !! Its an internet spaceship game with many possibilities of stabbing folk in the face wiv pointy spaceships !!! economics is for the charlatans of rl.
Now you gone and broke **** ccp !!!!
Noob doesnt realize 5 ships beats 1 ship.
Taking this long to reply to my post makes anything you care to say purely irrelevant.
Oh for gods sake shirley nothing you say is relevant
|
Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:42:00 -
[336]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 11/12/2008 02:42:34 Yep, when I checked Ferrogel in the Domain, I looked at the Fermionic Condensate data and a few other random advanced materials as well, to check for a pattern that would make a database issue likely, yet did not find similar irregularities as with Ferrogel. Else I would not have posted it :)
|
Ima Alt
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:43:00 -
[337]
Fermionic Condensates have also had price histories altered to make it appear that a price spike never occurred.
|
Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry OPUS Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:45:00 -
[338]
As I said, this holds true for all advanced moon materials (at least). -----
Originally by: Haakkon I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
|
Ima Alt
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:48:00 -
[339]
I had heard stories about organized crime being involved in virtual property sales, but until today, I didn't pay them much heed..
|
BloodyWomble
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:48:00 -
[340]
Heaven forbid any of you raving queens actually work in the financial sector. You guys are living proof why its such in a fubar state at the moment.
I do admit to enjoying the funnylicious proceedings within this post.... Headless chickens went thataway → → → → → → then thataway ↔ ↔ ↔ ↔
|
|
durek magaliese
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:49:00 -
[341]
everything including frigates price history has been wipped for today
|
Rosalina Sarinna
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:51:00 -
[342]
Quite a suprise to see its been going on for years....
Good for CCP to tell us, but seems T2 everything will go up a bit for some time.
|
Kulmid
The Bastards The Bastards.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:51:00 -
[343]
Does it not take until downtime for market data to update? If this price spike happened in the last 5-6 hours, which it most likely would have because of this thread. Then it would not be updated yet. After DT, if they price spike still does not show, then I will agree it has been covered up.
_________________
|
Ima Alt
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:54:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Kulmid Does it not take until downtime for market data to update? If this price spike happened in the last 5-6 hours, which it most likely would have because of this thread. Then it would not be updated yet. After DT, if they price spike still does not show, then I will agree it has been covered up.
It was showing, and now it is showing different - and only for certain advanced moon minerals. I sure wish that people who didn't know how to read the market history would stop replying to this thread.
|
Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:56:00 -
[345]
My favourite part of the story is how one of the guys who discovered it petitioned CCP, he was promptly thanked and the petition closed. Four years later he was banned. Nice work there.
Any bugs I've reported in the specified format have been sent back to me for "not being the standardised format".
Might be time for CCP to read unique petitions and bug reports more closely before ignoring them. http://obeythekitten.com/ |
Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:56:00 -
[346]
Hey, lookit all the tickerless alts fearmongering and rabblerousing in this thread. It's pretty awesome.
We'll get the details. Chill. EvE-Search is available if you'd like to revisit t20. You can't honestly all be convinced that the only 0.0 alliance aware of this bug was BoB. Oh wait, you can because you need a scapegoat. CCP's not posting here yet, so instead you villainize BoB because it's easy for you.
I will eat my own hand if the only 0.0 alliance involved was Band of Brothers. And I don't even know if they were. How can you state that one person or one corp equates to the entire alliance being "in" on this massive conspiracy?
But enough logic amirite? Let's all go back to throwing a hissy-fit about our internet spaceship money.
|
RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:56:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Kulmid Does it not take until downtime for market data to update? If this price spike happened in the last 5-6 hours, which it most likely would have because of this thread. Then it would not be updated yet. After DT, if they price spike still does not show, then I will agree it has been covered up.
Price spikes was obvious, then there were a number of mass disconnects and at one point Sisi seems to have been not accepting connections following which market data first for ferroquel and then for all advanced minerals was altered. Then t2 price data was tampered with. Those are separate events that did not occur in the same timeframe. That evidence enough for you? Screens have been posted illustrating this There was even talk of French toast
But there was none to be had |
Elisa Day
Shade. Penumbra Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:59:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Ima Alt
Originally by: Elisa Day It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar.
Wrong.
Uh... Do you want screenshots?
|
Ima Alt
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:59:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Tai Paktu Hey, lookit all the tickerless alts fearmongering and rabblerousing in this thread. It's pretty awesome.
Hey look at all the proud fanboys posting in hopes that one day they'll be let in on a dev exploit.
|
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol Doctrine.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:00:00 -
[350]
Why is CCP tampering with the market history prices? (Sorry, I don't spend all day playing market games, so please enlighten me).
|
|
Kulmid
The Bastards The Bastards.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:02:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Elisa Day
Uh... Do you want screenshots?
yes _________________
|
Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry OPUS Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:03:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Why is CCP tampering with the market history prices? (Sorry, I don't spend all day playing market games, so please enlighten me).
Unknown. Suspicions vary, but the most common I've seen is that they're trying to cover up the advanced materials price spikes that occurred. Which is weird because why would CCP have reason to change market price history data unless it was to specifically cover up something? -----
Originally by: Haakkon I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
|
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:03:00 -
[353]
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 11/12/2008 03:04:04
Quote: Why is CCP tampering with the market history prices? (Sorry, I don't spend all day playing market games, so please enlighten me).
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs While I may be missing the topic, if CCP really has any form of effective transactional rollback capability for their databases, the missing market history could be very easily explained by rolling back the market transactions by offending parties sales (removing the ISK they gained), without affecting the people who actually bought the ferrogel (which is a separate transaction).
If this is the case, then the missing market history just shows how deep this rabbit hole of an exploit runs.
quoting myself but hey.
Improve Market Competition! |
RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:04:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Why is CCP tampering with the market history prices? (Sorry, I don't spend all day playing market games, so please enlighten me).
Either coverup, attempt to combat spoloiters taking advantage of market panic (odd given slow ccp response) or a Hamster on acid
Pick one, make another up. Should be interesting to see Dev justification for selectively tampering with market data There was even talk of French toast
But there was none to be had |
Ima Alt
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:07:00 -
[355]
Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 03:09:02
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 11/12/2008 03:04:04
Quote: Why is CCP tampering with the market history prices? (Sorry, I don't spend all day playing market games, so please enlighten me).
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs While I may be missing the topic, if CCP really has any form of effective transactional rollback capability for their databases, the missing market history could be very easily explained by rolling back the market transactions by offending parties sales (removing the ISK they gained), without affecting the people who actually bought the ferrogel (which is a separate transaction).
If this is the case, then the missing market history just shows how deep this rabbit hole of an exploit runs.
quoting myself but hey.
I didn't reply because I didn't want to embarrass you, but obviously most of the players in this afternoon's market mania don't even own POSes, much less participated in the use of exploits. There were no rollbacks, everyone got to keep their profits. The ones holding ferrogel when the history got "adjusted" were left holding the bag and got screwed. They are now in a downward bidding war with each other.
Will ferrogel prices rise again? Bet on it. However, at the top of this afternoon's bubble, some BIG sales came down the pipe, and record of those sales mysteriously vanished soon after.
|
Kauschovar
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:07:00 -
[356]
I sincerely hope that ALL those involved will get permabanned together with their alts and all their (in-game) possessions annihilated ... even if it does change the EVE political landscape which I think it will as it should. These people were mostly playing for free anyways by buying GTCs with their ammassed ISK, so it will be a good riddance from every possible perspective.
Anything less would be a gigantic slap in the face for all those that have worked hard in the past 4 years just to get a little bit ahead whilst others have ammassed BPOs and every other possible thing that has any worth in EVE just by exploiting a bug.
This will be a very important test for CCP to give EVE it's credibility back. This is not Currin Tradin or EIB ... this is 'knowingly' exploiting a bug that allows one to create somethign out of nothing (rather than steal or scam or whatever from another player). There are no excuses, no ifs and buts, and as a result there should be no mercy, and no leniency!
|
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:09:00 -
[357]
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 11/12/2008 03:10:11
Quote:
Either coverup,
Because a dramabomb answer is better than a logical one.
Quote: attempt to combat spoloiters taking advantage of market panic (odd given slow ccp response) or a Hamster on acid
Not an exploit to take advantage of a sudden surge in a market.
Quote: I didn't reply because I didn't want to embarrass you, but obviously most of the players in this afternoon's market mania don't even own POSes, much less participated in the use of exploits. There were no rollbacks, everyone got to keep their profits. The ones holding ferrogel when the history got "adjusted" were left holding the bag and got screwed. They are now in a downward bidding war.
You don't understand database transactions hey?
Improve Market Competition! |
Paedagogus
Minmatar Master Miners
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:10:00 -
[358]
Edited by: Paedagogus on 11/12/2008 03:12:07
Originally by: Tobin Shalim
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Why is CCP tampering with the market history prices? (Sorry, I don't spend all day playing market games, so please enlighten me).
Unknown. Suspicions vary, but the most common I've seen is that they're trying to cover up the advanced materials price spikes that occurred. Which is weird because why would CCP have reason to change market price history data unless it was to specifically cover up something?
Perhaps they are trying to in some way prevent the markets collapsing when this reaches a head (dont get me wrong just speculating but that seems to be all everyone is doing) right now everyone is trying to do their own calculations on wtf is going to happen and no one really knows but what we do know is that even if this is a partial market manipulation tactic (the whole T2 mat thing not the changes to historys and yes i know thats so unlikely its accepted as being not the case) the effects will be felt for some time.
|
Ima Alt
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:12:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Kauschovar I sincerely hope that ALL those involved will get permabanned together with their alts and all their (in-game) possessions annihilated ... even if it does change the EVE political landscape which I think it will as it should.
Considering it takes minimal skills to set up a POS, the big alliance people who profited from this exploit almost certainly used alts. Rest assured, those throwaway characters 100% funded by GTCs were banned ruthlessly.
|
Elisa Day
Shade. Penumbra Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 03:12:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Kulmid
Originally by: Elisa Day
Uh... Do you want screenshots?
yes
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3434/omgmarketh4xrh0.jpg
It's the great Enriched Uranium and Liquid Ozone coverup of 08!
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 [12] 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 .. 95 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |