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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:19:00 -
[2071]
Edited by: Dionisius on 15/12/2008 00:22:51
Originally by: elric gallach
Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 20:19:51
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
Why do people keep saying this: http://www.eve-online.com/features/Exodus/
Because of this ?http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21936
And this http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/215105/page/1
Funny thing, if you look into the pic hyperlink you'd notice that the guy already has new accounts.
Looks like CCP is going to have to go trought alot of trouble just to sort transactions and tracked the materials down, let alone the people involved, wich i bet is alot.
/shrugs
Originally by: Power Hungry I think we are looking at it the wrong way. The exploit has been benefiting the people that have utilized it, and that is quite correct. However, the calculations that some people are making is wrong. The number of reactions would still be the same.IMHO The way to calculate it is to calculate what would be the total saving they made by not paying for the manufacturing of the reaction and not how much was manufactured. Most likely the poses would still be there and making the reaction regardless of the exploit. Obviously this is wrong if! it's not profitable to do the reaction unless you utilized the exploit
I have read most of the comments, they all seem to be blending in to one, maybe someone has already pointed that out.
No it is you who are seeing this picture the wrong way, these people actually robbed a company trough their own game.Not considering other players and first of all not considering the people that work to keep this game running.
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Stevee Starfighter
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:25:00 -
[2072]
Maybe i found out what happend 4 years ago and maybe some more often:
(please understand the reason of the following petition has nothing to do with the exploit, just take it as an example please gentlemen)
Petition wrote on 2008.12.04 in german in "BelSstigungen" what means Harassment(Yes, you can click on german petitions and that¦s what i did in this case, dunno how it was 4 years ago)
Answer of CCP on 2008.12.04:
Hi,
We are sorry, but no German speaking GM's are on shift right now. If you'd rather speak to a German speaking GM, we can transfer your petition so as soon as one is on shift then he/she can help you.
Best regards, GM Nythanos The EVE Online Customer Support Team
Petition closed at 2008.12.12:
This petition was closed by system, timed out while waiting for customer reply
hmmmmmmmmmmm....
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:35:00 -
[2073]
People cheated, people got caught, I hope CCP will get as many as they can and confiscate as much assets ill gained as possible, and delete all characters that cheated. If this means destabilzing/wiping certain alliances/corporations, then so be it.
For the rest, after thinking about this, ( my previous post wasnt very well thought out I agree :p ), while it may have hurt "clean" alliances, if the cheaters get caught now, and proper action is taken, I think we all can or should be able to live with it.
It is just like in the real world, some people like to cheat ( criminals ) others try to make an honest living. Wether it is small or large scale doesnt matter, and history is history, these exploits are just part of the eve online history.
The only thing that can not happen is that CCP will close an eye for some corporations or alliances.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC SI era, SWG Pre CU-NGE, Ryzom, EVE Online Retired @ WoW, LOTRO, WAR, Planetside, Diablo I-II, Entropia, UO, Lineage, Guildwa |
Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:56:00 -
[2074]
Originally by: elric gallach
Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 20:19:51
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
Why do people keep saying this: http://www.eve-online.com/features/Exodus/
Because of this ?http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21936
What's your point? The point is that POSes have indeed been in the game for 4 years. Are you trying to disprove that? Because it's pretty well documented in the features section.
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Lusulpher
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:17:00 -
[2075]
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: elric gallach
Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 14/12/2008 20:19:51
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
Why do people keep saying this: http://www.eve-online.com/features/Exodus/
Because of this ?http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21936
What's your point? The point is that POSes have indeed been in the game for 4 years. Are you trying to disprove that? Because it's pretty well documented in the features section.
When was the EXPLOIT discovered? POS were invented years ago to moon mine, but they might have stumbled onto it 2 years/3months ago...
Rumours don't count btw. When was the exploit pointed out explicitly? Live and Let Die...All of it...null |
Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:22:00 -
[2076]
Originally by: Lusulpher
When was the EXPLOIT discovered? POS were invented years ago to moon mine, but they might have stumbled onto it 2 years/3months ago...
Rumours don't count btw. When was the exploit pointed out explicitly?
Yes but that wasn't my point, that idiot said that moon mining wasn't around 4 years ago when it was. God only knows when the exploit was actually found out, hopefully we'll get some illumination on the subject later. I'm willing to bet it was used before its popularity exploded 2 months ago.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:34:00 -
[2077]
Looking for an update on the CSM meeting...
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Rosalina Sarinna
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:36:00 -
[2078]
Originally by: Solomon XI Looking for an update on the CSM meeting...
Me too, I'm rather interested in hearing what went on in the meeting, or some kind of summary if that isn't available.
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Klariso Troben
Minmatar Vaportrail Logistics
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:37:00 -
[2079]
Originally by: Haradgrim Edited by: Haradgrim on 14/12/2008 19:25:42
Originally by: Calvin Firenze
Originally by: Frobos I just wanted to post in hopes of getting this beast to 69 pages!
While I'm here, I'd like to offer a solution for all by quoting one of my favorite movies, The Big Lebowski........
"You see what happens Larry? You see what happens when you ***k a stranger in the **s ?!?"
--posting as the little voices in my head dictate
The dude abides...
That carpet really tied this thread together.
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Rascal Peterson
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:38:00 -
[2080]
I think the one thing we can count on for certain is that CCP will maintain its policy of being tight lipped and we will not here anything more from them on the matter, except for them to edit posts with questionable content.
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Talidorn
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:43:00 -
[2081]
Edited by: Talidorn on 15/12/2008 01:43:34 2079 - The year that I will actually have all my skills trained to lvl 5... if ccp keeps adding new skills and content.
Anyway - CCP is doing their CCP thing. No amount of whinage is going to help. I waited for this long to reply because I didn't really feel like sharing my original thoughts. <- I knew once I took a deep breath and relaxed my feelings would change.
Does it suck? Sure... 70 of XXXXXXXX accounts can FUBAR the whole of the economy. But hey... you get to be on with how many thousand players at the same time?
I've had 50 things that made me want to quit EvE... the longest I've stayed away was 6 months. Oh the pain of withdrawls!
I'll still be here when the next major exploit, nerf, CCP removal of features, etc. happens. If you wont... Can I have your stuff?
Talidorn
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.15 03:50:00 -
[2082]
Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/12/2008 03:50:25
For those demanding a CSM update, had you read the last page you would have noticed this:
Originally by: Kwint Sommer From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
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Phillipx
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Posted - 2008.12.15 04:28:00 -
[2083]
Ok, I've quietly watched and read what is going on and here is my take on it
Some guy said he noticed it 4 years and petitioned it. It was never fixed. periodically throughout the past few years have gone unheeded. Now all of a sudden, it goes public and all hell breaks loose.
The original outing of the guy on the "other forum" stated that it was somewhere int he neighborhood of 2500 to 3000 BILLION isk worth of cheating.
so 400m isk for a 60 day gtc at $14.95 US is $9343.00 and change. Now I pay every month for my game since I cant seem to make enough isk to buy a gtc every month, so the cash comes out of the bank. But this guy didn't have to do that, he just set up his reactions and came home to pay dirt every day.
and I used the low end number, someone check my math, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
sorry guys, i think ccp owes all of us something in addition to everything else. this isn't a dev giving out some bpo's, this is economy subversion on a grand scale. I for one am very upset about all of this, Why don't we all just buy some isk, this was even worse than that, at least the isk buyers and sellers were actually using the mechanics to sell thier isk. but nooooo ccp say dont buy isk but lets this a55hole get away with free isk for 4 years. sorry im not buying it, they are trying to appease the populace
flame on and i dont care about the typos...
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Roeth Whitestar
Gallente Gemstone Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.15 04:40:00 -
[2084]
I heard that the cheaters will be going to the US Congress tomorrow to request a bail out.
I support this message and CCP for banning cheaters.
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 04:42:00 -
[2085]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/12/2008 03:50:25
For those demanding a CSM update, had you read the last page you would have noticed this:
Originally by: Kwint Sommer From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
This sounds like a coverup in the making to me. Why cant CCP just be honest?
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.15 04:48:00 -
[2086]
Originally by: John'eh
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/12/2008 03:50:25
For those demanding a CSM update, had you read the last page you would have noticed this:
Originally by: Kwint Sommer From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
This sounds like a coverup in the making to me. Why cant CCP just be honest?
Not to white knight CCP, god knows there's enough of that in this thread already, but what part of that says coverup to you? I mean sure it's vauge but the meat of the details will come later.
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Anne Archer
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Posted - 2008.12.15 05:34:00 -
[2087]
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: John'eh
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/12/2008 03:50:25
For those demanding a CSM update, had you read the last page you would have noticed this:
Originally by: Kwint Sommer From the CSM Chat channel:
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited.
This sounds like a coverup in the making to me. Why cant CCP just be honest?
Not to white knight CCP, god knows there's enough of that in this thread already, but what part of that says coverup to you? I mean sure it's vauge but the meat of the details will come later.
I think this is what he may be referencing. I find it a little hard to believe that this exploit that has been around and used for 4 years and only suddenly became "widely abused in the last two months."
At this point I have some serious doubts even, that CCP would have released the information if it hadn't been made public on a third party forum first, which I thnk forced a response. That's not looking good from a trust standpoint between the players and CCP for me.
I have had several toons around for almost two years now and not until the last several months have I really started to feel that CCP does not give a crap about the player's feedback at all. (Especially with this Quantum Rise patch) With all of the negative feedback and multiple +50 page forum threads of players complaining about certain things in QR and no positive response from CCP it really starts to make we wonder where EVE is headed.
and no you can't have my stuff if I decide to leave. I'll burn it all in effigy first!
We'll just have to play the wait and see game once more for now.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.15 05:40:00 -
[2088]
Originally by: Anne Archer
I have had several toons around for almost two years now and not until the last several months have I really started to feel that CCP does not give a crap about the player's feedback at all. (Especially with this Quantum Rise patch) With all of the negative feedback and multiple +50 page forum threads of players complaining about certain things in QR and no positive response from CCP it really starts to make we wonder where EVE is headed.
Put yourself in their shoes, for months they hear nothing but "Stop making features, cure lag", and here we have an expansion whose centerpiece is massive lag reductions, and what do people say? "not enough content, lame expansion". You can't please all the people all the time, but CCP at least makes the effort.
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OffBeaT
Caldari KaMiKaZes
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Posted - 2008.12.15 06:28:00 -
[2089]
Originally by: Delos Korelian
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
POS came into being approximately 4 years ago, in Exodus, with moon mining and all the goodies. So, where were you, and when did you buy your account exactly?
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Braad Losan
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:05:00 -
[2090]
Originally by: Solomon XI Looking for an update on the CSM meeting...
Me three. This has exploit has gotten a lot of attention. I wonder how many people will try eve because of the attention this has gotten. I wonder if it will change the map on who controls what and what the long term effects really will be.
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Karille
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:11:00 -
[2091]
Originally by: John'eh
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/12/2008 03:50:25
For those demanding a CSM update, had you read the last page you would have noticed this:
Originally by: Kwint Sommer From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
This sounds like a coverup in the making to me. Why cant CCP just be honest?
Whine more you little ****heads. Why do you think CCP never says anything to you? Probably because as soon as they do you say they're lying. You're going to believe the word of a banned player with absolutely no concrete evidence over the maker of the game with everything to lose if they're caught in a lie? If he came up with one single shred of proof, one single screen shot that could date the age of the exploit to what he said it was then I'd believe it. Too bad he hasn't. How about you go subscribe to some good newsletters and get back to building your tinfoil bunker.
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:15:00 -
[2092]
What I am saying is that CPP is lying to us, and would not have even admitted this much without third parties stepping in. They want to protect themselves, and the devs want to protect each other, and will do so at the expense of anything we have because they dont have anybody inside CPP watching them or otherwise holding them accountable.
The fact is, they are lying to us about there even being a dedicated QA Team; Official Software Test Engineers and Software Development Engineers in Test for Eve dont exist. This is why we have never seen anybody with that title at the cons, etc and it has always been about the devs. This fact makes me feel better because if they really did exist, they would all be worthless incompetents who have no actual software testing background or skill, and I say that as a professional Game Developer, Programmers, and Game QA Guy who has done Software Testing and Development (And Development For Test) for over a decade. The fact is they are lazy, don't do any real testing, and expect us to use Sis to to find the bugs for them, because the software methodology they use to develop Eve (Agile/Scrum/Etc) is NOT friendly to Testing/Quality Assurance/Making sure Devs are not cheating.
Except of course for the ones they add themselves, the "features" the devs add without telling others so that there alliances and friends will have an advantage and then clsim are bugs when outside sources rub there noses in it and they don't have the power to delete it. The fact is, things like this never would have happened if a quality assurance team existed and had the power they should have to be the checks and balances and keep the deveopers accountable; I know this from over a decade of working in the industry, and my own experience says that many of the things we are being told now is a flat out lie, but unfortunately most of the people told to repeat them - marketing people, public relations, etc - dont know they are being lied to so they really do believe what they are repeating.
I DEMAND that a QA/Test role that IS NOT OUTSOURCED TO IGNORANT BUTTON PUSHERS WHO CAN NOT AUDIT CODE be immediately created at CCP, and is staffed by somebody with testing chops that will not bend over for dev, will file bugs and drive issue, hold dev accountable, and police cheats like this from even being entered into the code base. They must have the hjob description and authority to not be scared into letting the devs do stuff like this, and all devs should be immediately have there code audited by this newly created team , and fired if something is found by this team that can be considered intentional.
In Short: I want software developers to be hired to Software Quality Assurance positions with the sole role, goal and intention of finding, hunting, auditing, and if needed terminating (and podding) of any dev who cheats by either adding code like this, or attempting to do so.
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Demeterus
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:40:00 -
[2093]
Originally by: John'eh
The fact is, they are lying to us about there even being a dedicated QA Team; Official Software Test Engineers and Software Development Engineers in Test for Eve dont exist. This is why we have never seen anybody with that title at the cons, etc and it has always been about the devs.
Oh my god! You're right!
There is no CCP!
It's all a lie!
CCP is a conspiracy!
I'm sure Bush is behind it. Or Obama. Or both!
We've all dreamt Eve.
What kind of weird people are we that dream something like CCP and Eve? Hmm? --- Why are you reading my sig? Did you expect something of sigs? |
Karille
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:42:00 -
[2094]
Originally by: Demeterus
Originally by: John'eh
The fact is, they are lying to us about there even being a dedicated QA Team; Official Software Test Engineers and Software Development Engineers in Test for Eve dont exist. This is why we have never seen anybody with that title at the cons, etc and it has always been about the devs.
Oh my god! You're right!
There is no CCP!
It's all a lie!
CCP is a conspiracy!
I'm sure Bush is behind it. Or Obama. Or both!
We've all dreamt Eve.
What kind of weird people are we that dream something like CCP and Eve? Hmm?
I'm calling it now. The guys in the fanfest presentation were paid actors.
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Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:02:00 -
[2095]
Originally by: Delos Korelian
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf perhaps someone has already addressed this, but i am just a bit confused by all the people here babbling about this "exploit" going on for 4 years. WTF!?!? 4 years ago, THERE WERE NO POS and THERE WAS NO MOON MINING! NONE OF THAT EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO! DUH!
POS came into being approximately 4 years ago, in Exodus, with moon mining and all the goodies. So, where were you, and when did you buy your account exactly?
ooooooooh, forgive me. I guess that POS have been here for EXACTLY 4 years now. I am sooooooo sorry. I have been here for 4 years and about 6 months. When I started EVE, there were no POS. Excuse me for not noticing that POS had finally just reached their 4th birthday. Gosh, how stupid of me.
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Thanatomania
Darksaber Technologies Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:03:00 -
[2096]
Any Dev response forthcoming? any response at all? or should I fart into a bag and hold it for next issue release?
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:48:00 -
[2097]
Originally by: Karille
Originally by: Demeterus
Originally by: John'eh
The fact is, they are lying to us about there even being a dedicated QA Team; Official Software Test Engineers and Software Development Engineers in Test for Eve dont exist. This is why we have never seen anybody with that title at the cons, etc and it has always been about the devs.
Oh my god! You're right!
There is no CCP!
It's all a lie!
CCP is a conspiracy!
I'm sure Bush is behind it. Or Obama. Or both!
We've all dreamt Eve.
What kind of weird people are we that dream something like CCP and Eve? Hmm?
I'm calling it now. The guys in the fanfest presentation were paid actors.
Do you have trouble reading? Because you clearly misunderstood the quote you included..!?
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Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:51:00 -
[2098]
Originally by: John'eh What I am saying is that CPP is lying to us, and would not have even admitted this much without third parties stepping in. They want to protect themselves, and the devs want to protect each other, and will do so at the expense of anything we have because they dont have anybody inside CPP watching them or otherwise holding them accountable.
The fact is, they are lying to us about there even being a dedicated QA Team; Official Software Test Engineers and Software Development Engineers in Test for Eve dont exist. This is why we have never seen anybody with that title at the cons, etc and it has always been about the devs. This fact makes me feel better because if they really did exist, they would all be worthless incompetents who have no actual software testing background or skill, and I say that as a professional Game Developer, Programmers, and Game QA Guy who has done Software Testing and Development (And Development For Test) for over a decade. The fact is they are lazy, don't do any real testing, and expect us to use Sis to to find the bugs for them, because the software methodology they use to develop Eve (Agile/Scrum/Etc) is NOT friendly to Testing/Quality Assurance/Making sure Devs are not cheating.
Except of course for the ones they add themselves, the "features" the devs add without telling others so that there alliances and friends will have an advantage and then clsim are bugs when outside sources rub there noses in it and they don't have the power to delete it. The fact is, things like this never would have happened if a quality assurance team existed and had the power they should have to be the checks and balances and keep the deveopers accountable; I know this from over a decade of working in the industry, and my own experience says that many of the things we are being told now is a flat out lie, but unfortunately most of the people told to repeat them - marketing people, public relations, etc - dont know they are being lied to so they really do believe what they are repeating.
I DEMAND that a QA/Test role that IS NOT OUTSOURCED TO IGNORANT BUTTON PUSHERS WHO CAN NOT AUDIT CODE be immediately created at CCP, and is staffed by somebody with testing chops that will not bend over for dev, will file bugs and drive issue, hold dev accountable, and police cheats like this from even being entered into the code base. They must have the hjob description and authority to not be scared into letting the devs do stuff like this, and all devs should be immediately have there code audited by this newly created team , and fired if something is found by this team that can be considered intentional.
In Short: I want software developers to be hired to Software Quality Assurance positions with the sole role, goal and intention of finding, hunting, auditing, and if needed terminating (and podding) of any dev who cheats by either adding code like this, or attempting to do so.
Hi derek
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
Clone 62a
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:54:00 -
[2099]
Whine more you little ****heads. Why do you think CCP never says anything to you? Probably because as soon as they do you say they're lying. You're going to believe the word of a banned player with absolutely no concrete evidence over the maker of the game with everything to lose if they're caught in a lie? If he came up with one single shred of proof, one single screen shot that could date the age of the exploit to what he said it was then I'd believe it. Too bad he hasn't. How about you go subscribe to some good newsletters and get back to building your tinfoil bunker.
Yes, very constructive, thanks. Now get back under your bridge and the old plan of ambushing the 3 goats you love so much.
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Happatai
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:59:00 -
[2100]
Originally by: Thanatomania Any Dev response forthcoming? any response at all? or should I fart into a bag and hold it for next issue release?
This is where I see things as well, I wish CCP would at least have the courtesy to give us the illusion of things being fixed/looked into with a dev canned-response...
"Working as intended."
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