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zzCoins
Caldari Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:54:00 -
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If the POS exploit was on the scale that is being talked about, then please start a new server where honest players stand a chance of achieving something in 0.0 space |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:12:00 -
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*sigh* NO. EVE was, is, and will always be (barring local laws forbidding it) a single world-wide server.
Even if the scale of cheating WAS the same order of magnitude some guys of the tinfoilhat brigade are shouting around, MOST major alliances have been allegedly using it, so in the grand scheme of things, it means next to nothing... also, 0.0 is such a volatile area that not before long any advantage they might have had ends up meaning next to nothing.
"Honest" players (whatever your definition of honest might be, it certainly will include or imply "small numbers of tight-knit friends") will seldom ever have a serious chance of making it into 0.0, with or without cheating on anybody's part - join one of the greater powerblocks or stand aside. And since all larger powers have been doing it... yeah, you get the idea.
Or maybe you don't, but that's not my problem. Thumbs down, WAY down.
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Clansworth
Blackwater USA Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:11:00 -
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Sharding in my eve? I say no no no.
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Jon Malkovich
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:47:00 -
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./signed getting sick of assh0les cheating their way for 4 years.
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Zareph
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:35:00 -
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i think the beauty of eve would be that due to the sandbox nature, they can and will recover from it.
You'll figure out who the alliances are when if they are active PVPers they don't suddenly resurge with massive capitals again after they lose some it'll be pretty obvious if anyone was majorly profiting from it.
I'm willing to bet it was more RLMT isk farming operations, not the massive conspiracy you think it is.
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:46:00 -
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The worst case scenario is that Eve is irretrievably broken.
Start up a duplicate server with no Game Time Cards and more rigourous prosecution of isk sellers and no T2 BPOs and I'll give up all my skill points and assets and transfer there in a heartbeat.
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Sierra Lima
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sierra Lima on 11/12/2008 18:48:40
Originally by: Haldane IV The worst case scenario is that Eve is irretrievably broken.
Start up a duplicate server with no Game Time Cards and more rigourous prosecution of isk sellers and no T2 BPOs and I'll give up all my skill points and assets and transfer there in a heartbeat.
And no alts.
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Burn Mac
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Haldane IV The worst case scenario is that Eve is irretrievably broken.
Start up a duplicate server with no Game Time Cards and more rigourous prosecution of isk sellers and no T2 BPOs and I'll give up all my skill points and assets and transfer there in a heartbeat.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:41:00 -
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f*ck no.
Also, EVE is not broken, it's just going to change. I remember when only the most elite and rich players could even afford to use T2 on PVP ships. We're just gonna see more of people doing the best with what they've got.
Also, i predict some severe 0.0 shakeup but we'll see. If it happens it will be good for everyone except the guilty. ---
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Hesod Adee
KDS Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: zzCoins If the POS exploit was on the scale that is being talked about, then please start a new server where honest players stand a chance of achieving something in 0.0 space
If CCP can't stop the exploit on the current servers, how would they be able to stop it on the new servers ?
If CCP can stop the exploit on the current servers, what would be the point of the new servers ? ---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues |
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Berious
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:19:00 -
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No
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:33:00 -
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How will adding another server change anything? I would love to hear how you intend to keep dishonest players out
In short, no..
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Haldane IV on 11/12/2008 21:37:33
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde f*ck no.
Also, EVE is not broken, it's just going to change. I remember when only the most elite and rich players could even afford to use T2 on PVP ships. We're just gonna see more of people doing the best with what they've got.
Also, i predict some severe 0.0 shakeup but we'll see. If it happens it will be good for everyone except the guilty.
I hope you are right, and it really depends how numerous the guilty are and how much damage they did (i.e what the worst case scenario is).
I used T2 stuff on my ships but it hurt like hell to lose it a few years ago and I'ii admit I did envy those guys who had so much money it did not hurt them - back then the big money came from T2 sales and I just thought those guys had been lucky with the lottery or astute businessmen. I'll just give my reason for saying the game may be broken.
It's not because I worry about T2 goods going up in price or getting more expensive, or changes in the 0.0 power-blocks. It will be a broken game if use of the exploit was significant and did generate really huge amounts of isk (as CCPs own post suggests)over 4 years, because in that event all that time all that isk was used to concentrate wealth (aka power) in fewer hands than would otherwise have been the case i.e. purchasing T2 BPOs (then building Cap fleets to help win 0.0 resorces, but thats more recent and will as you say be corrected over time). That would break the game for everyone trying to compete with that accumulated wealth by whatever means. Maybe the same people/powerblocks would have achieved all that they that have without using the free isk exploit anyway (like BoB did not need T20s few BPs to get rich), but thats something we don't know and we can't put things back the way they were 4 years ago, to find out. If this POS isk exploit is really serious, added to the other flaws in the game it pushes it over the edge in favour of starting afresh for me (not that I'm holding my breath for that to happen)
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Idaeus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:38:00 -
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Seven corporations, three of them were in one of two alliances.
There are an absurd number of alliances in this game (take a look at eve-maps to verify this statement). There will be a period of market instability, but it will recover as more people adapt and use alchemy on a larger scale.
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Faekurias
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:43:00 -
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Lots of free income = Lots of extra expenditure.
They will now lose that income and not be able to spend as much / have a equally high upkeep for a prolonged period of time.
However, this could ofcourse take a BLEEEEEDING long time, but I believe that sharding is fail, and rather take my chances with the system slowly bleeding into the shape it should be rather than mucking everything up. ------------------ Recruiting..
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: zzCoins If the POS exploit was on the scale that is being talked about, then please start a new server where honest players stand a chance of achieving something in 0.0 space
How the hell will this change anything?
No!
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dasfry on 12/12/2008 12:25:47
Originally by: zzCoins If the POS exploit was on the scale that is being talked about, then please start a new server where honest players stand a chance of achieving something in 0.0 space
NO! No new server/shard
Do you think the new server will be filled with angels?
Its part of software life, Thousands of line of code written by humans, used by humans...
Someone will always find loop holes, the trick is to fix them. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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DEATHsyphon
Gallente 8lack Wing Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:17:00 -
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Move to China They have there own server -------------------- I'm not not going to pod you! |
Anne Archer
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:57:00 -
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Yes, Give new characters a chance to compete and explore without getting stomped by huge 0.0 alliances that gained a foothold through illicit means, isk.
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2008.12.15 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Baske on 15/12/2008 06:17:33 Yeah, the game inbalance started with illegal isk selling, then legal isk selling (GTC)...
And now this POS exploit thing. The fairness / balance is gone forever, and impossible to recover.
I wouldn't hesitate a second to move to a new server if possible.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.15 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: FunzzeR on 15/12/2008 06:42:09
Originally by: Anne Archer Yes, Give new characters a chance to compete and explore without getting stomped by huge 0.0 alliances that gained a foothold through illicit means, isk.
Whats going to prevent the existing 0.0 power block allainces or new large alliances from moving in and establishing themselves in the 0.0 space in the new server? Numbers and organization will play bigger part in determining how long a alliance keeps its foothold, much more than cheating ever will in the long run....
Quote: Yeah, the game inbalance started with illegal isk selling, then legal isk selling (GTC)...
And now this POS exploit thing. The fairness / balance is gone forever, and impossible to recover.
I wouldn't hesitate a second to move to a new server if possible.
Fairness and ballance never existed in eve, as every facet of the game revolves around player or groups of players trying to gain an advantage over others (e.g. blobing). Some choose to take it to a bigger extreme than others. Mind you its human nature too seek greater advantages over rivals.
Within a month or two the new server would be no different than TQ as we know it now.. And CCP would have double the expenses for buying and maintaining another server(farm?)
I don't get how adding another server will change anything or make eve more "fair". Nor why people are so bothered about eve having to be fair when it has been designed not to be fair, I often have to play or operate at a disadvantage, but I don't go running to the forums and waste bandwith whining about it.
So please, enthrall me with your acumen regarding why a new server would change anything. Or perhaps about why eve has to be "fair"?
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:22:00 -
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nah... market will bounce back... and those who are legit now and have been able to legitimately create isk to wage war against exploit generated alliances. Those alliances/corps are severely damaged and will be crushed.
Plus... evoke isnt even a 0.0 alliance afaik. it doesnt have sovereignty. I honestly dont really know who evoke is... their big isk couldnt have been that crazy. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Haldane IV Edited by: Haldane IV on 11/12/2008 21:03:32 The worst case scenario is that Eve is irretrievably broken.
Start up a duplicate server with no Game Time Cards and more rigourous prosecution of isk sellers and no T2 BPOs and I'll give up all my skill points and assets and transfer there in a heartbeat.
I'm confident more exploits exist that the majority are not even aware of. To assume creating a new server as exploit free. Even with the changes you suggest will not provide an exploit free world.
*********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Baske The fairness / balance is gone forever, and impossible to recover.
I wouldn't hesitate a second to move to a new server if possible.
I disagree with what you saying.
Even the new server will have these issues in the future. You're dead wrong if you assume that they will not. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Janu Hull on 15/12/2008 15:01:50 No.
Whatever 'imbalance' currently exists will be bled out of the economy over the course of the next few months. For starters, price corrections are already underway as people speculate on the market, or horde the cheap stuff now for future use.
In the long term, this will straighten itself out, so there's no need for a restart of any kind.
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:40:00 -
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No, EVE is one world and that is the absolute beauty of it.
Its amazing how many faceless alts come out to rabble rabble about mega alliances. Bitter much?
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