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Mikoyan Gurevich
Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:06:00 -
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Ignoring all the 'trit prices are hitting the roof' whining of late here's a fun idea:
BEHEMOTH
Build price 350 mil ISK This is a high-risk, high-reward ship
Hi - 8 slots - allow fitting of up to 4 strips, micro-ore compression module, survey scanner, scan probe launcher (to find hidden belts) and a T2 CovOps cloaking device (4 turret & 2 launcher slots) Med - 3 slots - enough slots to bump the cap recharge rate so that a moderately skilled armour tanker pilot can easily withstand 3 BS class rats + 3 cruiser rats + run 4 strips Lo - 6 slots - trade off between more cargo(profit) & better armour tank (higher risk = higher reward) 2x rig slots
> Sub-capital remote mining ship - this ship's niche will be solo or small scale ninja mining operations in low-sec and nearer 0.0 systems
> Unfitted Vagabond cruiser class agility and speed when cloaked - able to warp while cloaked makes this a superb blockade runner that every pirate,camper and ganker is dying to catch (especially with a vast cargo of compressed crokite/bistot/arkonor/dark glitter)
> To make running the gauntlet of 0.0/low sec camps, plus all those roaming pirates and gankers worthwhile, this ship needs a seriously sexy profit margin for successful completion of an operation therefore it needs:
*fast mining speed - 4x T2 strips, with 100% bonus to yield + bonus 7.5% reduction in ice harvester and strip miner cycle times per Cap Industrial level *sub-capital ore compression module with no fuel requirement (cannot be used on rorqual or any other ship for the matter)- ship must be 'sieged' for 5 minutes to compress its base 20k/m3 cargo into 2k/m3 in the case of ICE (same compression values for eash ore as the Rorqual version) *large base 20k/m3 cargohold - expandable at the cost of its **armour** tank (use of valuable low slots)
> PENALTY - mining links have no effect on it
> Moderate combat self-defence capability - Drone capacity and bonuses of Dominix plus 3 times the effectiveness and range of ECM burst modules with 50% less cap need - it needs to be a pain in the a*se for solo/duo-gankers to kill - secondary ninja ratting ability
Suggestions and constructive criticism please
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Hewican
Caldari EVE's STORM
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:13:00 -
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I would stop being a carebear just to use this in null sec
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Blood Titan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Blood Titan on 11/12/2008 19:47:41 overpowered anyone? Who needs mining ops this thing could clear a system on its own... Although I suppose it is time for a capital mining vessel but you would need to have more penalties then what you do have. 8 highs, hmmm sorry man i can see 5 or at most 6 but you cant have a ship that takes over every industrial function. No ship is that balanced. 3 mids ok 6 low erm 4?? I would increase hit points instead of giving it more low slots I think your giving to much flexability. I mean if it did happen id have one in a heart beat but i dont think regions could support the massive amount of mining this would do.
If you do create the ship as you have it I would suggest giving it a weakness. It is workable but definetly needs some tweaking. I can totally see a major nerf bat homerun coming from ccp if this ship exsisted. Id say if it needs to fit cloak then loose ore compression or vice versa.
cargo hold can be handled by rigs and maybe a cpu penalty that if you want to fit more fittings you will need to outfit the ship for it.
agility/speed or tank I think you would have to sacrifice one to some extent.
Otherwise WTB it seems like a bit of a lofty dream boat but if CCP says ok then well I want in.
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Blood Titan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:50:00 -
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although if you cut back on the really high ship bonuses it may actually be comperable to a teir 3 bs slot fitting. I just havent seen such a powerful industrial ship im to much in awe to know what to say lol. Then again I do think the mining community could use some balancing. It is so much more profitable, at least in high sec, to run missions.
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:51:00 -
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Not commenting on the idea itself (I'd need a flame ******ant suit), but pointing out obvious implementation problems:
1. Survey Scanners are med slot modules. Duh.
2. Mining Barges are only limited to their amount of strip miners due to highslots. Strip miners do not take up turret slots. So you'd end up with a ship capable of fitting 8 strips. If they put in an extra attribute that gets checked against when fitting strips, then you'd still have a ship with either 4 strips and 4 Miner IIs, or 4 strips and 4 MDCM IIs. (That'd actually be pretty funny.)
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:20:00 -
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This is a solo-pwn-miner. It'll never see the light of day.
It Cloaks, It Comresses, It Probes, Perma-Tanks Rats, Its Got Vagabond Speed, ECM Brst Bonus, Drone Damage & HP Bonus
^^ After reading this, I hope you're just tolling...
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Mikoyan Gurevich
Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:29:00 -
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Ok not the most well thought out idea, but supposing u limit the number of strips to 4, make it a bit slower (maybe give it the speed and agility of say an unfitted battlecruiser *but only when cloaked% - the rest of the time it should corner like a Panzer), maybe make it a b*tch to set up (you either lose cargo space or ability to tank or give it a bit of cpu problem to fit a decent tank).
As for the ship needing to do 'everything' well it needs to be able to carry a worthwhile amount of ore through risky places, it has no jump drive and for sub-capital that costs a bomb and has to at least be accompanied by a scout to not get trapped by sling bubbles, I don't think it would be unbalanced.
It would be very vulnerable when mining, compressing, transiting gates (even when cloaked) it will take some time to align and is vulnerable to slingbubbles, hics & dics or if u are slow on the F1 and a ceptor spots it, it can be decloaked before it completes aligning, its costly and the amount of isk earned from the mining should favour the brave.
The only thing that really concerns me is price, perhaps 700mil build price instead - after all if its 'orca-class' and T2 it should cost more to build..
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 12/12/2008 08:06:30 Edited by: Super Whopper on 12/12/2008 08:05:28 So, what you're trying to do is replace your nerfed Vaga with some uber Ishtar-like pwn machine that can take on an entire army and mine at the same time? Who needs 400 Dreads in a Max campaign when you can have this kind of firepower, for a fraction of the price of a dread?
GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!
I forgot to say, you need to add the following things: - able to fit Doomsday - able to fit siege weapons/modules - Shield, hull and armour equal to Motherships, maybe Titans - 16% per level faster compression - able to jump 10 Light years as base - able to end siege at will, without having to wait for the siege cycle - drone bandwidth equal to mothership (maybe times two) - inertia of an intercepter to add to the vaga speed - cargo hold of a freighter - ship maintenance bay 20 million m3
Did I miss anything?
Now that I think about it I think we should start petitioning CCP for a ship like this. Costing at about 500m (I would liked to have said 50 but I think that's pushing it), this ship will be the ultimate miner!
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Mikoyan Gurevich
Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 12/12/2008 08:06:30 Edited by: Super Whopper on 12/12/2008 08:05:28 So, what you're trying to do is replace your nerfed Vaga with some uber Ishtar-like pwn machine that can take on an entire army and mine at the same time? Who needs 400 Dreads in a Max campaign when you can have this kind of firepower, for a fraction of the price of a dread?
GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!
I forgot to say, you need to add the following things: - able to fit Doomsday - able to fit siege weapons/modules - Shield, hull and armour equal to Motherships, maybe Titans - 16% per level faster compression - able to jump 10 Light years as base - able to end siege at will, without having to wait for the siege cycle - drone bandwidth equal to mothership (maybe times two) - inertia of an intercepter to add to the vaga speed - cargo hold of a freighter - ship maintenance bay 20 million m3
Did I miss anything?
Now that I think about it I think we should start petitioning CCP for a ship like this. Costing at about 500m (I would liked to have said 50 but I think that's pushing it), this ship will be the ultimate miner!
Don't be so ridiculous, so infantile. Honestly. So quick to shoot down/flame an idea... You think you're clever but no, you're just one of the usual horde of unhelpful flamers. Why not be original if your are going to be critical, why don't you try to improve on the idea mkay.
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Alexander Universe
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:32:00 -
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I'd just stay in high sec and mine there. It would be 2x more profitable than soloing with a hulk because of it's ore compression and 4 strips. Hulk would be like a procuer compared to this "behemoth" :D
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Mikoyan Gurevich
Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mikoyan Gurevich on 12/12/2008 08:36:17 Edited by: Mikoyan Gurevich on 12/12/2008 08:35:27
Originally by: Alexander Universe I'd just stay in high sec and mine there. It would be 2x more profitable than soloing with a hulk because of it's ore compression and 4 strips. Hulk would be like a procuer compared to this "behemoth" :D
Dang! good point. Hmmm, how to solve that one?
One thing though is that the compression rate is inferior for high-sec ores and gang links have no effect. Maybe give it a really sh*tty compression rate on high-sec ores, so that its basically like a 700mil isk, 4 strip hulk with no gang bonus when mining veld or scor.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mikoyan Gurevich
Don't be so ridiculous, so infantile. Honestly. So quick to shoot down/flame an idea... You think you're clever but no, you're just one of the usual horde of unhelpful flamers. Why not be original if your are going to be critical, why don't you try to improve on the idea mkay.
LOL you call me ridiculous when you're the one who wants a Vaga, Ishtar, 10x hulk, Rorq and whatever else nonsense you were proposing in one ship. Why not add a little more flavour to it?
I'd like to edit the Doomsday proposal to it's cooldown being like 5 minutes or less. Personally I think 3 minutes is fine.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mikoyan Gurevich
Dang! good point. Hmmm, how to solve that one?
One thing though is that the compression rate is inferior for high-sec ores and gang links have no effect. Maybe give it a really sh*tty compression rate on high-sec ores, so that its basically like a 700mil isk, 4 strip hulk with no gang bonus when mining veld or scor.
You solve it very easily, never come up with such nonsense again because this is really daft. I am a professional miner but this is even too ridiculous for me.
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Mikoyan Gurevich
Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Mikoyan Gurevich
Don't be so ridiculous, so infantile. Honestly. So quick to shoot down/flame an idea... You think you're clever but no, you're just one of the usual horde of unhelpful flamers. Why not be original if your are going to be critical, why don't you try to improve on the idea mkay.
LOL you call me ridiculous when you're the one who wants a Vaga, Ishtar, 10x hulk, Rorq and whatever else nonsense you were proposing in one ship. Why not add a little more flavour to it?
I'd like to edit the Doomsday proposal to it's cooldown being like 5 minutes or less. Personally I think 3 minutes is fine.
Nob. I don't know why I'm even bothering with u.
I didn't say I want a vaga/ishtar. It would only have the speeds of a battlecruiser when cloaked* only and the rest of the time behave like an orca. It would have the drones of a domi, but it would be slow and vulnerable when mining and travelling. You wouldn't seriously want to use a 700mil isk sub-cap mining ship in place of a domi or vaga in any pvp situation even if it tanks a little better.
Read all b4 posting mkay and don't let ur pride f**k with u.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mikoyan Gurevich
Read all b4 posting mkay and don't let ur pride f**k with u.
Now you're making personal insults, especially as I see no pride in a ship like this.
Did you or did you not mention the speed of a Vaga, the ability fly cloaked fast, the ability to super mine, to compress and to defend itself against a horde of god knows what?
You're the one who started the trolling, so I just added to it. As we can see from the overwhelming responses in this thread people can see you're just trolling.
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Lumy
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mikoyan Gurevich
Nob. I don't know why I'm even bothering with u.
I didn't say I want a vaga/ishtar. It would only have the speeds of a battlecruiser when cloaked* only and the rest of the time behave like an orca. It would have the drones of a domi, but it would be slow and vulnerable when mining and travelling. You wouldn't seriously want to use a 700mil isk sub-cap mining ship in place of a domi or vaga in any pvp situation even if it tanks a little better.
Read all b4 posting mkay and don't let ur pride f**k with u.
That doesn't change fact that your proposal is ridiculously overpowered. Despite ad-hominem attacks.
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Mikoyan Gurevich
Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mikoyan Gurevich on 12/12/2008 08:54:26
Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Mikoyan Gurevich
Read all b4 posting mkay and don't let ur pride f**k with u.
Now you're making personal insults, especially as I see no pride in a ship like this.
Did you or did you not mention the speed of a Vaga, the ability fly cloaked fast, the ability to super mine, to compress and to defend itself against a horde of god knows what?
You're the one who started the trolling, so I just added to it. As we can see from the overwhelming responses in this thread people can see you're just trolling.
Erm, I'm not trolling I'm trying to develop an idea and if you read a little further I acknowledge that perhaps speed of a BC would perhaps be more appropriate, and if ur using it in 0.0 or low sec and taking risks why shouldn't it be able to supermine - especially if it has risk getting the ore out 0.0/low sec as well.
You obviously think its a bad idea, you've said so but uv not tried to improve on it one bit, ur just smugly criticising away instead of being a little helpful (see who is trolling now). If u don't like it why say any more than uv said, other than if u want to double, triple and quadruple flame the idea. Which is fine if ur an infantile 'professional' nob.
How would you make it less overpowered?
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mikoyan Gurevich Which is fine if ur an infantile 'professional' nob.
Thank you for the compliment.
Originally by: Mikoyan Gurevich How would you make it less overpowered?
Forgetting about this. CCP have stated they are not going to add any more mining vessels for the time being, get over it and stop trolling.
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Mikoyan Gurevich
Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:01:00 -
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QED!
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