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Odotheus
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:35:00 -
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This is just an example scenario for any ônoob miner wannabeÆsö. Please keep in mind that I am but a ônoobö myself and this is not the path I chose from the start so my Mining/Industry related skills are very minimal to say the least. I appreciate the help that people give to the noob in Eve through this forum and I wanted to contribute.
My basic beginning skills. Mining to level 3 Refining to level 3 Industry to level 2 Drone interfacing to level 3 û not a requirement Mining Drones to level 2 û not a requirement Ore/Mineral Processing - no training yet
Most of the above skills were trained in a very short time, within a couple of days. My starting ship is a Vexor since I already owned one. Very little cargo space but hey, this was just an experiment to see if this is the route I wanted to take.
Total of 12 loads in EXACTLY 1 hour. (I was close to a station). 4 Veldspar loads reprocessed and sold for 195,223.65 4 Scordite loads reprocessed and sold for 176,687.30 4 Plagioclase loads reprocessed and sold for 125,800.62
Then sold the remainder of the raw ore for an additional 11,699.31
Grand total for ONE HOUR of Mining 509,410.88 isk
I had a standing of 4.11 at my refining facilities Base Yield at 50% Net Yield at 89.75% Tax Rate of 1.92%
This is above what I made on my average level 2 kill missions including salvage and loot with less headache. (no warping in and out and refitting/repairing, etcà). Especially if you factor in the amount of time.
I am still very new at this and have a lot to learn but I can see it can be very lucrative even in highsec especially when I learn how to properly refine and market my payload. I can also see that brand new shiny HULK (or two) making me a killing down the road.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.12.12 03:01:00 -
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Join a mining corp.
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Odotheus My starting ship is a Vexor
That is your problem. Mining in a combat ship.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Gridwalker
Amarr Divine Power.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Avalira
Originally by: Odotheus My starting ship is a Vexor
That is your problem. Mining in a combat ship.
His problem is mining in a ship... with mining bonuses? At least do a little research before you pretend to understand a topic.
The Vexor is the Gallente cruiser-class mining ship, and is precisely what he should be using. If he was Caldari he would use an Osprey. Amarr would use Arbitrator. Minmatar use the Scythe.
Your Vexor is the next step-up from the Navitas for beginning miners.
Get Mining level 4. This will allow you to use the Miner II. Once there, get Science to level 4. The combination of the two will allow you to train Astrogeology. That's another 5% mining yield bonus per level. Then get Mining Upgrades to level 4 so you can fit T2 Mining Laser Upgrades.
Your next step would probably be Mining level 5, and then Astrogeology level 5. Refining level 5 should be your next goal, because less waste is like a bonus to your mining yield.
From there, you should be positioned nicely to get into a Retriever. Get your Industry to level 5 and you'll be able to train Mining Barge to level 3 quickly.
But by now, in your cruiser, you're already seeing on issue: how to get the ore to station?
You can eject your ore into space, and then mine into the jetcan. That is a popular technique. Once an hour, you would then get your hauler and haul the ore back. The problem is ore thieves, so you only want to do this in a quiet system.
Another option, and one many of us use, is to get a second account and haul with that. That costs real money, though, so it may not be appealing to you.
There is a mining guide somewhere that covers this very issue. You would be wise to look it over. Try the stickies at the top of this forum...
-Grid
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Kiki Arnolds
Caldari Allied Caprican Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Avalira
Originally by: Odotheus My starting ship is a Vexor
That is your problem. Mining in a combat ship.
Actually, mining in a combat ship is extremely competative in terms of SP to mining amount untill you train mining barges 5 and get exhumers. The problem is that training down the combat ship path is not getting you closer to those exhumers, which is where you need to go if you plan to stay in mining. You can pull 8-900 M^3 of ore a minute in a battleship, but again, your no closer to the exhumer which will take you far above that... (971 with maxed skills, but your not going to train that far in to mining and still use a BS) ç¦ |
Annie Solway
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:59:00 -
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http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Haladas_Mining_Guide
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gridwalker
Originally by: Avalira
Originally by: Odotheus My starting ship is a Vexor
That is your problem. Mining in a combat ship.
His problem is mining in a ship... with mining bonuses? At least do a little research before you pretend to understand a topic.
Alright alright, I might have jumped the gun and been a bit of a troll. That being said you cannot complain about isk/hour when mining in anything other than a covetor or a hulk. If you're serious about mining then go for those, and the guide linked by the poster above me is a very good one to follow. If you are looking for a maximum profit for your playing time then rather do missions and work that standing up to get the 6.7 standing needed for no tax when refining (so far you got that part right). In the same time train all those boring mining skills and once you have them, mine away!
Try to keep an eye out for mining corps, especially those with 0.0 access as there you can get the best ores in the game.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Odotheus
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:20:00 -
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Thanks to everyone for replying.
The purpose of my post was not to complain but merely to make the point that a noob, or anyone else for that matter, can start mining from a completely different career path and with very little Mining/Industry skills and still make a respectable profit with very minimal skills and limited investment. I had been doing some research before I started mining but I could not get an idea just how profitable it would be to a brand new person until I actually went and mined for myself. THAT is the real reason I posted the topic; so if others were debating they could read it and know that there is a profit to be made. Half a million isk in an hour is a good bit of isk for a new Eve player.
Gridwalker's proposed skill plan is almost to the "T" what I have set up in Evemon as my new skill set. My only reason for starting with the Vex is because this was the best ship for mining that I had on hand and ready to use. It has a little more cargo than my Myrm and my frigates and destroyer were out of the question. I "am" doing research but skills are a big issue because I have not cross trained for other races of ships. I know my goal is at least one Hulk but that is a bit out of my reach skill wise right now. Also, I want to keep my Myrm in fight mode just in case. Thanks for all the advise and I will be referring to it in the future.
Don't want to join a mining corp, I can build my own and they can join MY corp.
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Odotheus
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:25:00 -
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http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Haladas_Mining_Guide
Downloaded it and read it. Helpful in many areas but a bit vague for my personal situation.
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Cheopis
Amarr One Stop Mining Shop One Stop Research
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:00:00 -
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If you compare mining vs mission running, you will see rough equality in highsec until you are capable of fitting a good battleship with teir 2 modules and start really burning through lvl 4 missions. At that point, mission running in highsec is far more lucrative than any highsec mining.
This is assuming roughly equal skillpoint concentrations in the appropriate skills - combat / mining and roughly equivalent supporting skills for each as well (electronics, engineering, etc)
If you train for salvaging as well as mission running, which is not a large layout of points, you can push back the clock a bit and start making a lot more isk in L4 missions even earlier.
I regularly generate 30 million isk in salvage in a single L4 mission, as well as 5000-7500+ Loyalty points, 15+ million isk in ship bounties and mission rewards, and loot value roughly approximately equal to bounties and rewards.
It takes about an hour to 90 minutes for me to clear through the biggest L4 missions with a Abaddon / Dominix battleship pair, salvaging and looting each level before I move to the next.
LP vary in value due to their nature, and I am doing Caldari faction now, so it's a bit painful, but you can still roughly value LP as @ 500isk/LP
So with two toons, I can make 3.75 mill (LP) + 30 mill salvage + 15 mill bounties + 15 mill loot in 90 minutes. Easily, with no rush and even taking a cigarette break now and then. That's roughly 21 mill isk per hour per toon, at a relaxed pace. Matching this number mining in highsec might be possible for a gang of several veldspar mining fully max skill hulk pilots with max skill mining drones and an orca mining director with max skills as well, but I doubt it.
If I push things I can take a lot less time, and probably raise my isk per hour per toon to 30+ mill per hour doing L4 combat missions in highsec. You really can't match that in highsec, except in some very difficult to find exploration mining sites in .5/.6 security, and maybe in the inherent asteroid belts of a specific mission or two.
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Girabaldi D'Protagonist
Minmatar In Theory.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:14:00 -
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Odo,
Contact me through the in game mail and we can help you get started.
Then if you decide you want to be part of a mining / mission corp you can come play with us. We have several Exhumer Pilots that know there trade and we have an Orca to help make thing better.
First suggestion is to get your learning skills up before you go any further.. this will shorten your training time considerably.
Did I mention we keep a library on hand for nubblings?
Catch me in game..
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Odotheus
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:16:00 -
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Wow, those are fantastic stats/numbers Cheopis. I knew there was good isk to be made in missioning the upper levels but I didn't know they were that good. I do have a catalyst fitted with 5 salvagers and 2 tractors that I crank up after I kill all the reds with my Myrm. Thanks for the tidbit. Now I'm at my dilemma again. I guess I can do both mining AND mission running. At least that Domi I had my eye on will come in handy for both.
Hey Girabaldi, thanks for the invite. I'll hit you up out there.
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Strom Nekth
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gridwalker
Your Vexor is the next step-up from the Navitas for beginning miners.
Get Mining level 4. This will allow you to use the Miner II. Once there, get Science to level 4. The combination of the two will allow you to train Astrogeology. That's another 5% mining yield bonus per level. Then get Mining Upgrades to level 4 so you can fit T2 Mining Laser Upgrades.
Your next step would probably be Mining level 5, and then Astrogeology level 5. Refining level 5 should be your next goal, because less waste is like a bonus to your mining yield.
Whilst I largely agree with this I'd like to mention that with a fairly low-skill Vexor you'll actually get more mining yield running Mining Drone II's than you will running Miner II's (probably 2 with 2 high end miner I variants due to fitting requirements if you also want, say, an afterburner) and there's some handy drone cross-training going on too. That said getting Mining Drones to V is a somewhat long train.
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Raijen Ar'Desh
Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:22:00 -
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One thing to add to the allready great advice given by others.
If you plan on refining your ore, it can be worth your time to grind standing with your normal 'homebase' station to 6.66. At 6.66 you no longer loose any of your ore to taxation. With a half decent set of refining skills on top of that you can end up saving a huge amount of money over time. Of course if you move stations than your hard earned work is for naught, unless your new station is owned by the same faction.
Another two skills that can save you a fortune over time are Accounting and Broker Relations (although BR only applies if you're using sell orders). These skills reduce your taxes when buying and selling items on the market, and broker relations lowers the fees on placing sell orders. Level three or four in these skills isn't too large of a time outlay and again saves money, particularly accounting.
A couple of people have mentioned the complete miners guide. For a starting miner treat this as your holiest of holy books. The information gleaned from this guide is dead useful for someone learning the trade.
And of course, if all else fails, say Chribba's name three times while targeting a veldspar 'roid. Seems to bring me good luck at least
Just my two cents.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.14 01:10:00 -
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You actually need the standing to round up to 6.67, but otherwise everything else is spot on. Once you get up near 5.0 you're under 1% percent waste and it's relatively easy to get there with social and connections to 4. _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Mari Katarin
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Posted - 2008.12.14 04:31:00 -
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I may be a broken record here, but:
"You can get minerals very well in a combat ship, but you can't fight worth a damn in a barge."
A mission setup gets you standings to use R&D agents. Mining drones with guns will blow roid mining yields out of the sky. You can solo mine ark/bist/crok in a battleship, and if you get ganked the after-insurance loss is noise. Not so much in a hulk. It'll take you a month of puttering around in a retriever before you get that hulk. Meanwhile, you could have been mining at a far higher yield in an e.g. Apoc.
Save mining for the alt you'll roll after this character. Train up your combat, tanking, capacitor and other skills first. Then, as people pointed out, you can train the 'end game' mining skills while you have a lucrative NPCing income. Don't waste time mining in frigates and cruisers. You'll just be burning out and feeding can flippers.
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Odotheus
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.14 04:31:00 -
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Thanks again to everyone for the great advice. Almost there with the standings for my chosen facility, 5.10 and climbing. This facility, Federal Intelligence, has a lot of stations for when I reach that 6.67 standing. They have a decent list of agents too.
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Swearingen
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Posted - 2008.12.14 17:48:00 -
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Amarr mining cruiser (Arbitrator) and Gallente mining cruiser (Vexor) give bonuses to mining drone yield. Caldari (Osprey) and Minmatar (Scythe) give bonus to mining laser yield. Evaluating ship bonuses carefully is one of my keys to eve for the beginner.
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LeeIaa
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:14:00 -
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saw the vexor bein clowned on as a mining vessel, tell you what, that sucker is one of the best low sec mining rigs to use cruiser class. You can pull in quite a bit of ore with your drones and lasors (just jet mine) and you also can field a set of combat drones to defend against npc.
It was what i started mining.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gridwalker
His problem is mining in a ship... with mining bonuses? At least do a little research before you pretend to understand a topic.
The Vexor is the Gallente cruiser-class mining ship, and is precisely what he should be using. If he was Caldari he would use an Osprey. Amarr would use Arbitrator. Minmatar use the Scythe.
Saying it's a mining ship isn't exactly accurate either. It gets bonuses to hybrid turret damage, and drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per level.
So it's a hybrid combat/mining ship. It's arguably more of a combat ship, really, since most of its bonuses are geared toward combat.
You're right that it's the best Gallente mining cruiser, assuming one is using mining drones. It gets no bonuses to mining laser yield at all.
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