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Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:10:00 -
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why does concord respond to gcc's in less than 2 seconds in a 0.5 system now ?
this is not tears, i don't really care about it.
i am just curious why things like this happen and there are no notifications about it.
it kind of looks like CCP does these things regardless of how the community will welcome it, and without thinking what impact it will have on a large number of players (positive or negative impact, regardless). |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:11:00 -
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Currently there is a workaround:
Bring moar Alpha! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
31
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:15:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Currently there is a workaround:
Bring moar Alpha!
I'm not looking for a work around considering I don't suicide gank.
I am looking for a simple response from CCP as to why this was done.
A bit like the change in how only the last hit on a rat gets the sec status gain, which was changed during a stealth thing, CCP commented on it that it was a bug, and that they would work on it, and that was a month ago and it still hasn't been fixed back to its original.
So I'm a bit worried about the course of action that CCP is taking in the way they handle things like this. |
Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:20:00 -
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Maybe a fix for this. |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
31
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:21:00 -
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I don't think so, that fix was released during 1.6.4 as far as I know. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
194
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:22:00 -
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Blame Herr Wilkus and his boomerang technique. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:25:00 -
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Before going GCC in hisec, make sure CONCORD is not already on grid in response to another gank. If they are already there, they will instantly respond.
Quote:answer from ccp required
We're feeling entitled today, aren't we? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
31
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:26:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Before going GCC in hisec, make sure CONCORD is not already on grid in response to another gank. If they are already there, they will isntantly respond. Quote:answer from ccp required We're feeling entitled today, aren't we?
Very much. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
760
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:27:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Before going GCC in hisec, make sure CONCORD is not already on grid in response to another gank. If they are already there, they will isntantly respond. Quote:answer from ccp required We're feeling entitled today, aren't we? Very much. If you really want a guaranteed (eventual) CCP response, petition this, don't post it on the forums. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
70
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:33:00 -
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When those doorknobs were boomeranging away thinking they're so clever, how come they weren't clever enough to realise that CCP were going to implement the most ham fisted cludge of a fix and make it simply worse for everybody? |
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Kieron VonDeux
4
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:52:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:When those doorknobs were boomeranging away thinking they're so clever, how come they weren't clever enough to realise that CCP were going to implement the most ham fisted cludge of a fix and make it simply worse for everybody?
The G-forces from that boomerang were so great that it gave them tunnel vision and reduced their brain capacity to only conceptualizing 30 seconds in the future.
If repeated too often, they were reduced to drooling key blobing Sansha bots that only responds to the Hive thereafter.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:12:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Blame Herr Wilkus and his boomerang technique.
thought they fixed that by making it bannable? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
196
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:24:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Blame Herr Wilkus and his boomerang technique. thought they fixed that by making it bannable?
They deemed it a bannable exploit by avoiding concorde yes. I heard however that Concorde disengages your warp drive so you can't escape, but this response time decrease has also shown up at the last patch or 2. Boomerang was put pretty high on the priority list pretty quickly. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:29:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote: thought they fixed that by making it bannable?
Its been bannable since the day that they announced "Avoiding CONCORD is considered and exploit."
Its just that this particular moron was too much of a moron to realize this, and thus told everyone to go perform this exploit on general discussion (this exploit has been around since the beginning of CONCORD, however most people don't want to get banned so it was rarely used).
GMs no longer wanted to deal with the giant influx of exploiters so they laid down the banhammer and picked up the hamfist. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
443
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:56:00 -
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They were probably already there and you were just too excited to get your gank on to notice them.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:10:00 -
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My understanding is that the "tackle" portion of CONCORD arrives much quicker. This is to lock down people so they do not warp off ala boomerang exploit or any future variation of it. The "tackle" portion of CONCORD only locks you down via infinite web/point so you should still be able to get your full DPS until the "wtfbbq" portion of concord comes and disables your drones, jams, neuts and kills you.
I don't see a problem with this change except that it will anger Herr Wilkus to no end and that is amusing. |
IronLemur
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:19:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:why does concord respond to gcc's in less than 2 seconds in a 0.5 system now ?
this is not tears, i don't really care about it.
i am just curious why things like this happen and there are no notifications about it.
it kind of looks like CCP does these things regardless of how the community will welcome it, and without thinking what impact it will have on a large number of players (positive or negative impact, regardless).
If a post isn't tears, but sounds and looks like tears......is there a word for that? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6011
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:25:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:My understanding is that the "tackle" portion of CONCORD arrives much quicker. This is to lock down people so they do not warp off ala boomerang exploit or any future variation of it. The "tackle" portion of CONCORD only locks you down via infinite web/point so you should still be able to get your full DPS until the "wtfbbq" portion of concord comes and disables your drones, jams, neuts and kills you.
I don't see a problem with this change except that it will anger Herr Wilkus to no end and that is amusing. Without any more detailed description of what actually happens (does anyone have any fraps of a recent gank to show this supposed change in behaviour?), this sounds like the most reasonable explanation.
It's also in line with what they've said we'll see post-inferno: once you trigger a GCC, you get insta-scambled, and then the ships arrive after the appropriate amount of time has elapsed (after which they death-ray you, which is basically just a work-around to reduce the amount of calculation needed GÇö any effects showing CONCORD shooting anyone will be entirely decorative and have no connection to any actual shooting mechanics). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:47:00 -
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Nedes Betternaem wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: thought they fixed that by making it bannable?
Its been bannable since the day that they announced "Avoiding CONCORD is considered and exploit." .
Well yeah thats been like that since I started the game (my main started a year prior to T20) as far as I know
Nedes Betternaem wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: thought they fixed that by making it bannable?
Its been bannable since the day that they announced "Avoiding CONCORD is considered and exploit." Its just that this particular moron was too much of a moron to realize this, and thus told everyone to go perform this exploit on general discussion (this exploit has been around since the beginning of CONCORD, however most people don't want to get banned so it was rarely used). GMs no longer wanted to deal with the giant influx of exploiters so they laid down the banhammer and picked up the hamfist.
I assume he's banned too then? Cause lol thats just stupid https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:51:00 -
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IronLemur wrote:Dead Loss wrote:why does concord respond to gcc's in less than 2 seconds in a 0.5 system now ?
this is not tears, i don't really care about it.
i am just curious why things like this happen and there are no notifications about it.
it kind of looks like CCP does these things regardless of how the community will welcome it, and without thinking what impact it will have on a large number of players (positive or negative impact, regardless). If a post isn't tears, but sounds and looks like tears......is there a word for that?
Ghost tears? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6013
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:55:00 -
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IronLemur wrote:If a post isn't tears, but sounds and looks like tears......is there a word for that? Virtual SystaneGäó?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
1086
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:18:00 -
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Dunno... Sounds like a stealth buff to me. |
Scrindle Kavees
Fuzzy Wuzzy Pink and Cudley Unicorn Brigade
6
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Posted - 2012.04.12 08:31:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:why does concord respond to gcc's in less than 2 seconds in a 0.5 system now ?
this is not tears, i don't really care about it.
i am just curious why things like this happen and there are no notifications about it.
it kind of looks like CCP does these things regardless of how the community will welcome it, and without thinking what impact it will have on a large number of players (positive or negative impact, regardless).
Snap! I win your cards. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
297
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Posted - 2012.04.12 09:04:00 -
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Its kind of funny how CCP's attempts to help the crybears never quite work out.
First, 'warping away' from a GCC attack was never an exploit, and still isn't. In fact, its a useful tactic to avoid people who like to attack -10 pods or loot gankships.
Its the 'shooting after warping' that they didn't like.
They patch, overcompensate and 'fix' the wrong problem, and in doing so, fail to correct the 'exploit'.
CCP - the gang that cant shoot straight.
Wonder when they will learn that they can never make the crybears happy until they are 100% safe. Witness the 'Buff Hulk' threadnaught.
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Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
41
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Posted - 2012.04.12 09:16:00 -
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A nerf ?
Anything that brings tears is buff by scripture.
You must suffer. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
297
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Posted - 2012.04.12 09:29:00 -
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LOL at carebears trying to claim 'tears' supposedly resulting from CCP action.
It just shows they don't even know what they are.
So, am I understanding this right? Carebears must exclusively rely on CCP-devs for their 'tears'?
Seems that way - and its kind of pathetic.
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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2012.04.12 09:37:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:LOL at carebears trying to claim 'tears' supposedly resulting from CCP action.
It just shows they don't even know what they are.
So, am I understanding this right? Carebears must exclusively rely on CCP-devs for their 'tears'?
Seems that way - and its kind of pathetic.
Mining lasers do zero damage on tear ducts, so yes we must exclusively rely on CCP for them. And in fact its worse than that. You see if we cry too much it starts soaking into the paper hull on our hulks and our ore starts leaking out. |
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
89
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Posted - 2012.04.12 13:40:00 -
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Improvise, adapt, overcome. |
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.12 15:38:00 -
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Concord response time was always supposed to be calculated based on the Capsuleer you were attacking so if the Hulk pilot had a 5.00 it would be shorter.
I don't know if that was broke and isn't now or if they just made response a one size fits all. |
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