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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.16 05:19:00 -
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From my experience, 0.0 is as such: login to rat a bit, hostiles inbound, get shouted at to get in fleet, stare at bubble on gate for 3 hours, get bored/drunk/tired, logoff.
Much better running missions in empire and joining faction warefare for occasional pewage.
Prove me wrong. Please.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.16 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: login to rat a bit, hostiles inbound, get shouted at to get in fleet, stare at bubble on gate for 3 hours, get bored/drunk/tired, logoff.
Much better running missions in empire and joining faction warefare for occasional pewage.
Prove me wrong. Please.
Exactly. Frankly, non-NPC 0.0 is boring as all get out.
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:06:00 -
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it really depends on who you join up with . if you join pro-active agressive goal oriented players you will have fun . isk is not as big a deal as people make it . tbh you can trip and fall on a 100mio in 0.0 without even planning on it . any time i have spent living in 0.0 i generally walk away with 500-800mio a month without even trying .
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: MC Purge
Originally by: AkRoYeR
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p
This! What would EvE be like without gate camping?
devoid of 90% of combat.
Really? So less gatecamping would not bring more empire carebears to 0.0 land?
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: AkRoYeR Really? So less gatecamping would not bring more empire carebears to 0.0 land?
No, because people would just kill them in the belts instead. Same end result
Some peoples logic never fails to amaze.
Carebears don't want to be targets, which is why every single "How to get more targets to low-sec/0.0" fails at the title even before the argument starts.
If low-sec ever gets to see carebear traffic again, go check the boards for the "OMG, CCP nerfed piracy" threads.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.12.16 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: unconsensual PvP.
Much better sticking to the theme park.
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Ana Vyr
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.16 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Vyr on 16/12/2008 14:56:31 If I end up getting bored with High Sec space, I'll go give it a whirl, but honestly, Null Sec sounds like a pain in the ass.
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KillSol
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Posted - 2008.12.16 14:57:00 -
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Took my Ibis to 0.0, it sure was pretty for being a cold, dark and lonely place... lots of big Rats out there and some rocks that were all shiny.
Then I heard a yarrr and found myself in hi-sec once again...
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.16 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: login to rat a bit, hostiles inbound, get shouted at to get in fleet, stare at bubble on gate for 3 hours, get bored/drunk/tired, logoff.
Much better running missions in empire and joining faction warefare for occasional pewage.
Prove me wrong. Please.
Next time, x-up for the occassional roaming op.
Personally, I keep one eye on the intel channel, and unless they've breached our core space, or there's actually a gang/fleet, I'll keep doing what I was already doing. When that's done, I'll join the roaming gangs that prowl around the low sec entries, which usually run into some form of opposition, but the reality of PvP is, neither side is simply going to sit there and get owned. You have to trap them, or they trap you, into combat. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.12.16 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: login to rat a bit, hostiles inbound, get shouted at to get in fleet, stare at bubble on gate for 3 hours, get bored/drunk/tired, logoff.
Much better running missions in empire and joining faction warefare for occasional pewage.
Prove me wrong. Please.
For the longest time I was something of a carebear. I didn't actually avoid PVP but I rarely found time to go out and do it (mainly because of running a corp).
A couple weeks back I said f*** it. I stopped recruiting/dealing with corp crap and went started pvping with my alliance whenever I could. This is what has happened so far. The longest we've ever camped a gate is maybe 15 minutes, and it's usually done because someone had to go afk for some reason or other and we're waiting on them to catch up. Can't remember the last time I had this much fun playing eve ^_^ and I've been playing non-stop for over 2 years >_<
The trick? Don't join a powerhouse in a sought after region in 0.0 Go to NPC space, where most powerblocks don't bother going due to sov issues. The ratting is still a lot better then highsec missions, the pvp involves roaming around and the game as a whole is just more fun. |
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.17 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull Next time, x-up for the occassional roaming op.
Personally, I keep one eye on the intel channel, and unless they've breached our core space, or there's actually a gang/fleet, I'll keep doing what I was already doing. When that's done, I'll join the roaming gangs that prowl around the low sec entries, which usually run into some form of opposition, but the reality of PvP is, neither side is simply going to sit there and get owned. You have to trap them, or they trap you, into combat.
Every 0.0 roaming op Ive been on ended up a waste of time. At best would get a few scattered kills, mostly people not watching their intel channels, before teh blob is set after you. Not worth my game time, tbh.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: unconsensual PvP.
Much better sticking to the theme park.
Do I even need to say it?
Yes, you must. If I get caught at a belt and my BS gets mauled by HACs, well, that's life. If I have to interrupt whatever Im doing everytime some random guy wanders through the constellation, that's just a pain in the ass. Probably doesn't help that Ive spent most my 0.0 time in drones: the drone loot pays well, but doesn't lend itself well to start-stop-start type play.
Originally by: Cambarus For the longest time I was something of a carebear. I didn't actually avoid PVP but I rarely found time to go out and do it (mainly because of running a corp).
A couple weeks back I said f*** it. I stopped recruiting/dealing with corp crap and went started pvping with my alliance whenever I could. This is what has happened so far. The longest we've ever camped a gate is maybe 15 minutes, and it's usually done because someone had to go afk for some reason or other and we're waiting on them to catch up. Can't remember the last time I had this much fun playing eve ^_^ and I've been playing non-stop for over 2 years >_<
The trick? Don't join a powerhouse in a sought after region in 0.0 Go to NPC space, where most powerblocks don't bother going due to sov issues. The ratting is still a lot better then highsec missions, the pvp involves roaming around and the game as a whole is just more fun.
My experience with the NPC 0.0 regions is limited, but I have strong doubts that, after factoring in the extra hassle of getting supplies into 0.0 and interruptions by hostiles, you will make more isk/hr of gameplay over lvl4 missions or other empire pursuits. Also, see above for my experience with roaming gangs.
Obviously there's a metric ****-tonne of isk to be made in 0.0 from moon mining, capital production, renting space to pets, etc., but none of that ends up in the pocket of the guy who just wants to play 1-2 hours/day (e.g. Me).
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:28:00 -
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0.0 as it is now is just a big blob of boring fail. In any alliance you're surrounded by 95% of people that are failures & freeloaders, pretend pvpers etc...
I used to love and live in 0.0 back in the day but it gradually just got worse. Capitals and poses had a lot to do with it. Second half of 07 I resigned to fringe 0.0 (syndicate) but in 08 decided to ditch it completely.
Empire is great if you really couldn't give a crap about politics, like to roam around solo or small gangs, have everything you need to buy right there etc... And you get away from the whole "we can't fight until we have eleventy people in our small gang" or "how many titans we got online". 0.0 is just a bunch of fail, from my point of view. For now empire warfare sustains me until they nerf it even more...
Of course if you're a ratter, I guess 0.0 is uber to you. |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Do you know that feeling you get when you stand in a crowded mall and just want to do a roundhousekick and stab everyone because they're annoying the hell out of you? Way too many people around? 0.0 is a quiet park with a heavy metal concert now and then, and people sometimes running around in double arsemode.
Let me guess, chain wallet, Sid Vicious T-shirt tucked into black faded jeans that are way to tight for you to wear with a studded belt and some Chuck Taylors.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail Obviously there's a metric ****-tonne of isk to be made in 0.0 from moon mining, capital production, renting space to pets, etc., but none of that ends up in the pocket of the guy who just wants to play 1-2 hours/day (e.g. Me).
Again, this is the truth. There is precious little in 0.0 that isn't either used to benefit alliance leaders, or is relatively worthless.
Ratting in a good system may make you more than level 4s, but not by much. Exploration is too rare, too tricky, and too dangerous (out of territory escalations, anyone?) for the casual players to benefit from. Missions are harder, put your standings to Concord and the empires in the tank, and have LP stores with mostly useless rewards.
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Mac Maniac
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:39:00 -
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I've noticed most of the people who do not care for 0.0 have one thing in common.. Everything is about "ME", not about the corp, alliance or even your friends. 0.0 is all about teamwork. It takes a team of people working together to be successful in 0.0 If you are going to 0.0 with the idea of solo everything including mining, ratting etc.. then yes, you will be bored. I have done the mission running in Empire, IMHO after I have run the same mission for the umpeenth time I'm done with that. What I like about 0.0 is that: If I want to rat, I'm ratting If I want to mine, I mine If I want to roam, I'm out roaming If I want to gatecamp, I'm gatecamping. If I want to do exporation to find complexes, I'm out scanning My point is, with the exception of ratting, all of the other activities usually involve my corp/alliance members.
Teamwork. If you want to be a solo player and all about yourself and only about yourself, then I would say that 0.0 is probably not for you and I don't mean this in a mean sort of way but don't bother coming to 0.0 if that is the case. Don't want you, Don't need you.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.18 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Maniac Don't want you, Don't need you.
Really? I seem to recall constant pestering to help NC defend their territory. Should I have just went out mining instead?
Teamwork => obligation to the team => not getting to do what you want when you want.
So, it looks like you contradict yourself in that post.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Maniac Don't want you, Don't need you.
Then please get the word out to all of your 0.0 buddies to stop posting stuff like this:
Originally by: Aaron id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.
Seriously, more independents should come out here, dont believe the hype 0.0 isnt as bad as they say.
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0.0 may even be more profitable, but for most people, it's not more fun. Rather, it resembles a modified type of slavery.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:28:00 -
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More NPC stations in 0.0 and it'll be great.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth More NPC stations in 0.0 and it'll be great.
hahah
Less, you mean. NPC stations are an absolute bother.
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Mac Maniac
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.18 09:39:00 -
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Quote: If you want to be a solo player and all about yourself and only about yourself, then I would say that 0.0 is probably not for you and I don't mean this in a mean sort of way but don't bother coming to 0.0 if that is the case. Don't want you, Don't need you.
Really, try reading and comprehending the entire paragraph not just the one line.
0.0 really is not that bad. The trade off for living in 0.0 and having access to better rats, better mins, better complexes, etc. but also means you do have an obligation to your corp/alliance not just yourself AND to defend your home.
Quote: Really? I seem to recall constant pestering to help NC defend their territory. Should I have just went out mining instead?
And you are??? I see no corp tag, no alliance tag.. I'm wearing mine. You? You appear to be extremely negative about your 0.0 experience. Perhaps you should find an alliance more suited to your tastes if that is the case. Not all alliances are about "modified slavery".
I like the fact when I want/need help I have corpmates THAT RESPOND. Conversely, when they need help; I take off my carebear hat and go give an assist. What goes around, comes around.
Quote: it really depends on who you join up with . if you join pro-active agressive goal oriented players you will have fun . isk is not as big a deal as people make it . tbh you can trip and fall on a 100mio in 0.0 without even planning on it . any time i have spent living in 0.0 i generally walk away with 500-800mio a month without even trying .
Right on the money there. But you should notice the word... JOIN
Having the right mindset and setting your expectations is going to be crucial to your success.. If when people start asking questions abut life in 0.0 IMHO usually means that Empire boredom is either starting to set in or already has and they are starting to get the itch to find something else to do.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: FlameGlow on 18/12/2008 10:17:34 0.0 carebears are the worst kind, just sitting in their citizen corps, ratiing all day long and hiding at the first glimpse of non-blue in local _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pohbis
Originally by: AkRoYeR Really? So less gatecamping would not bring more empire carebears to 0.0 land?
No, because people would just kill them in the belts instead. Same end result
Some peoples logic never fails to amaze.
Carebears don't want to be targets, which is why every single "How to get more targets to low-sec/0.0" fails at the title even before the argument starts.
If low-sec ever gets to see carebear traffic again, go check the boards for the "OMG, CCP nerfed piracy" threads.
I'm not sure that's 100% true. Sure carebears don't want to be targets, but they want to make more ISK too, to the point of irrationality - just look at what happened when the Motsu belt agents were moved around, people going crazy (omg wtf I can't deal with less than L4 Q18 & over 5k LP per mission!).
The problem, as always, is risk vs reward - whilst you obviously can't make low-sec activites pay out the equivalent value to a ship & fittings (let's just say 50m for BC+fit, double or triple that for a BS) there has to be more appeal than just "some better rats and moderately better LP payout". It's all about temptation really, increase the temptation and the people who obsess over ISK/hour ratio etc will try their luck. Or not, who knows.
But yeah your basic point is sound - pirates wanting more targets in low-sec don't realise that they are their own worst enemy.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 18/12/2008 10:35:38
Originally by: FlameGlow Edited by: FlameGlow on 18/12/2008 10:17:34 0.0 carebears are the worst kind, just sitting in their citizen corps, ratiing all day long and hiding at the first glimpse of non-blue in local
Pvp players are the worst. They want kills, kills, kills, and always kills, but also humiliate their targets at the same time, without thinking one instant that it is a game and not a competition.
With their damn killmails who are used to track individual "performance", they demotivate players to try to Pvp as much don't want to be mocked by some stupid "best" players if they would have bad stats reported in Battleclinic or others killboards.
All hail kill/death ratio.
Ok I exagerate a few... Euh... Wait, I was right in fact. ___________________
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Ali Aras
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:55:00 -
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I've never gone into 0.0, mostly because I don't want to bother with figuring out how to get there without getting my ass killed. I know it would involve making alliances, actually joining a decent corp, etc, but I just can't be bothered to figure it all out.
Also, I suck at PvP pretty hardcore.
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Kakwakas
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:19:00 -
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I have about 1.7mil SP. Nullsec is bad for my insurance policies.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:21:00 -
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I like to ninja 0.0, screw living out there.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 18/12/2008 10:35:38
Originally by: FlameGlow Edited by: FlameGlow on 18/12/2008 10:17:34 0.0 carebears are the worst kind, just sitting in their citizen corps, ratiing all day long and hiding at the first glimpse of non-blue in local
Pvp players are the worst. They want kills, kills, kills, and always kills, but also humiliate their targets at the same time, without thinking one instant that it is a game and not a competition.
With their damn killmails who are used to track individual "performance", they demotivate players to try to Pvp as much don't want to be mocked by some stupid "best" players if they would have bad stats reported in Battleclinic or others killboards.
All hail kill/death ratio.
Ok I exagerate a few... Euh... Wait, I was right in fact.
Those two views are the extremes, but I've been lucky to meet a lot of people like myself who can handle working in both worlds.
Alliances that tend to one extreme or another don't do very well. The Drone Regions are littered with the remains of carebear alliances, and the NPC regions are equally littered with the remains of pure PvP alliances who thought it was all about the K/D ratio. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kakwakas I have about 1.7mil SP. Nullsec is bad for my insurance policies.
and your attitude is bad for your game play experience. why not lose a few cheap t1 frigs/cruisers?
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Kakwakas
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Kakwakas I have about 1.7mil SP. Nullsec is bad for my insurance policies.
and your attitude is bad for your game play experience. why not lose a few cheap t1 frigs/cruisers?
Because I won't get any kills seeing as 95% of 0.0 seems to be roving gank gangs consisting of people with millions upon millions of SP. I'd be lucky to get 1 person down to half their shields.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kakwakas
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Kakwakas I have about 1.7mil SP. Nullsec is bad for my insurance policies.
and your attitude is bad for your game play experience. why not lose a few cheap t1 frigs/cruisers?
Because I won't get any kills seeing as 95% of 0.0 seems to be roving gank gangs consisting of people with millions upon millions of SP. I'd be lucky to get 1 person down to half their shields.
Rollin' solo in 0.0 is bad, m'kay?
People at your level of skill do fine as tacklers in small gangs, even better in larger fleets. In fact, you'd be amazed how well your survival rate goes up when you surround yourself with much sweeter targets. Just be sure your side wins. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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