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Aaron
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:40:00 -
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id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.
Seriously, more independents should come out here, dont believe the hype 0.0 isnt as bad as they say.
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LooknSee
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:43:00 -
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We feel whatever fun there is to be had there is more than outweighed by the sources of "not fun"(tm). Why else wouldn't we be there?
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:54:00 -
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i love 0.0 i want to never go back apart from traveling through to more 0.0
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Dihania
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: LooknSee We feel whatever fun there is to be had there is more than outweighed by the sources of "not fun"(tm). Why else wouldn't we be there?
Well most of high sec dwellers do not know how 0.0 is because they have never been there and are probably intoxicated by what other people say.
Some high sec dwellers have been in 0.0, were either not into anything related to pvp, could not watch local and did not understand that instant isk is not always better or too newby to cope with the corp/alliance ops nad/or rules (or something in between) = more or less week souce.
Some high sec dwellers have been to 0.0 and know what it is about but prefer high sec because it is more relaxed, do not like politics, are alts, etc.
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Virtuozzo
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:00:00 -
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There's no space like Deep Space ...
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:03:00 -
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Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p |
Karille
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:04:00 -
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I'm going to offer my sagacious wisdom to you.
They think treadmills are more fun than stair steppers. Think about that for a while and you'll understand.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: KISOGOKU on 15/12/2008 14:11:55 Added some others .Been there done that thank you Aaron
Originally by: Dihania
Some high sec dwellers have been to 0.0 and know what it is about but prefer high sec because do not like politics, backstabbing and childish drama etc.
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ingenting
20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: ingenting on 15/12/2008 14:12:03 4 Months and loving it!
edit: hard part is getting in/out from empire (gatecamps). and the hype is true, unless u gets invaded (enjoy the fun, NC) _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb." |
Elrca
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p
Got to agree, PvP in 0.0 (infact anywhere in eve) seems to be Gatecamp or Station camp ...both involved sitting about and waiting...waiting to finally get a target and hope you can lock and shot it fast enough before it goes pop! There was some good times in the old days of 200 vs 200 ... and ofcourse bubble tastic in ec- (it was ec-... I think, you know the 0.0 point thats 100% camped..ah those good olde ASCN days....)
But now I'm happly playing casually in Empire.....
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:18:00 -
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As for living it's nice. Hauling stuff does suck from time to time. Specially when you loose stuff, but in general it's much more interesting. Stop whining. |
Aaron
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:21:00 -
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Ok heres the deal, i live in a system that is reasonably quite, yes ive had lots of losses but ive also made lots of isk, Ive put more than 2 billion isk worth of ships/modules on the market in my system but now i need pilots to live here and consume. there are still a few offices here and very good rats.
Its quite simple really, come down have a look and we can help eachother make isk. you dont have to join my corp, come down and be part of the economy.
Maybe we could form an unofficial alliance, sounds like good fun to me.
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Elrca
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Elrca on 15/12/2008 14:23:20
Originally by: Aaron Ok heres the deal, i live in a system that is reasonably quite, yes ive had lots of losses but ive also made lots of isk, Ive put more than 2 billion isk worth of ships/modules on the market in my system but now i need pilots to live here and consume. there are still a few offices here and very good rats.
Its quite simple really, come down have a look and we can help eachother make isk. you dont have to join my corp, come down and be part of the economy.
Maybe we could form an unofficial alliance, sounds like good fun to me.
/me reads as "Come here I want to pew pew at you"
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:27:00 -
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For my personal take on 0.0, I'll divide it into two parts. NPC space, which is Outer Ring, Venal, Curse, Stain, the Great Wildlands and the like. The other part is sovreign space. Player controlled territory.
In NPC space:
Most station systems are camped up the wazoo by some alliance or another, either coming up or freshly kicked out of sovreign space. The real challenge is learning to live without station access, or learning the local scene well enough to slip in and out during the resident's off peak hours. The best solution having a force strong enough to earn their respect and some blue standings, but this requires you to be willing to butt heads without getting personal about it, and can be pretty expensive in terms of lost ships.
In Sovreign space:
Unless you're in the Providence Region, God help you. You can't drop a POS without the local landlords knowing about it. You can't access stations without standings. And the first time you encounter one of the locals, they'll have you ID'd in an intel channel, and the moment you get anywhere near their core space, they'll have a gatecamp waiting for you.
Breaking into sovreign 0.0 space requires contacts. Very few alliances survive in sov space without at least a few blues. You need to be diplomatic, and you REALLY better have something to offer in return for standings. Its almost easier to join an established alliance than to be a start up. I won't sit here and say its impossible for new guys to break into the scene, but the new alliances that do make a stand successfully tend to be littered with veterans of previous sovreign alliances that know the game.
Personally, I have loved being a part of 0.0 alliances, both small and struggling, and large and well established, more than I ever enjoyed empire. The experience is like nothing you will have in any other MMO out there. Once you learn to live without the safety net, understand that its your name on the screen in the sovreignty map, you understand why it is EVE players learn to look down on other MMOs. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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LooknSee
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: LooknSee on 15/12/2008 14:32:16
Originally by: Aaron Ok heres the deal, i live in a system that is reasonably quite, yes ive had lots of losses but ive also made lots of isk, Ive put more than 2 billion isk worth of ships/modules on the market in my system but now i need pilots to live here and consume. there are still a few offices here and very good rats.
Its quite simple really, come down have a look and we can help eachother make isk. you dont have to join my corp, come down and be part of the economy.
Maybe we could form an unofficial alliance, sounds like good fun to me.
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=2879842
edit: I fail at linking
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Janu Hull on 15/12/2008 14:33:56
Originally by: LooknSee Edited by: LooknSee on 15/12/2008 14:32:16
Originally by: Aaron Ok heres the deal, i live in a system that is reasonably quite, yes ive had lots of losses but ive also made lots of isk, Ive put more than 2 billion isk worth of ships/modules on the market in my system but now i need pilots to live here and consume. there are still a few offices here and very good rats.
Its quite simple really, come down have a look and we can help eachother make isk. you dont have to join my corp, come down and be part of the economy.
Maybe we could form an unofficial alliance, sounds like good fun to me.
Linkage
edit: I fail at linking
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:37:00 -
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Been to 0.0 and hated the fact that there are times when you can't just do what you want because too many reds nearby. I get very little time to play don't always want PVP so I feel like mining for a change but 0.0 doesn't always let you do what you want when you want.
I like highsec with occasionaly forays into lowsec for some pew pew. At least now when I log in, I can choose what I want to do instead of being dictated to by circumstance.
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Elrca
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge Been to 0.0 and hated the fact that there are times when you can't just do what you want because too many reds nearby. I get very little time to play don't always want PVP so I feel like mining for a change but 0.0 doesn't always let you do what you want when you want.
I like highsec with occasionaly forays into lowsec for some pew pew. At least now when I log in, I can choose what I want to do instead of being dictated to by circumstance.
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Ticondrius
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:08:00 -
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I love 0.0 life. Quit playing EVE at one point because I was living in Empire and got bored to death.
Hostiles in the area? No problem! Get into Alliance channel and form up a fleet to hunt them down. Pewpew!!
Ratting? Know the offtimes when your local hostiles are sleeping and have fun.
Complexes? Take more friends than you need, and if you get jumped, pwn those flashy reds.
Missions? Umm...in some regions. Expect to get your sec status and empire faction standings nuked though for shooting Concord missions rats.
Mining..uh..lolwut? Unless you can't fly something powerful enough to rat in (HAC/BC/BS), you won't be mining unless it's a corp op. That said, I do go mine for very specific minerals and quantities when I need them for personal construction goals, but that's usually just zydrine or megacyte. And I can mine enough of that to make a tier 3 battleship in just a few minutes.
Let's see, what else...
POSes! More industrial minded people like to deploy and manage POSes with their reaction chains. Other industry activities is manufacturing for the local area and selling stuff at a premium, just remember, if you're only 5-8 jumps from empire space, you won't sell that fast. If you're really far from empire, you can sell things with a very good premium.
Research. Some Outpost types have labs, and POSes can have mobile labs added to them. I research & copy my BPOs for almost nothing out here in 0.0.
It's all about where you go and what powerbloc you join, and despite all the anti-BoB comments and BoB sploiter stuff, I like living out here, and the PvP campaigns we get into ensure I'm never bored. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Chaos Incarnate's Face MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls |
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:16:00 -
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To be honest, most of the bigger alliances have core areas that are more secure than most high sec hubs. With POSes, you can set yourself up in more isolated areas that rarely get red visits. For the larger alliances, jump bridge and cyno generator networks make gate use pretty optional, unless you're actually going to pick a fight.
Mining solo is certainly possible. Alts for tanking, or you can put some sickening fits on a Hulk and tank fairly easily. One member of my corp has a billion ISK Hulk that laughs at battleship rats.
The ISK out here is ridiculous, if you're willing to do due dilligence and prepare yourself properly. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Gstomp20
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull To be honest, most of the bigger alliances have core areas that are more secure than most high sec hubs. With POSes, you can set yourself up in more isolated areas that rarely get red visits. For the larger alliances, jump bridge and cyno generator networks make gate use pretty optional, unless you're actually going to pick a fight.
Mining solo is certainly possible. Alts for tanking, or you can put some sickening fits on a Hulk and tank fairly easily. One member of my corp has a billion ISK Hulk that laughs at battleship rats.
The ISK out here is ridiculous, if you're willing to do due dilligence and prepare yourself properly.
0/ Janu
He gives a good idea of what life is like in 0.0, but of course keep in mind all regions are different and you will encounter a different presence and attitude from one to the next. If you are a small Corp or Alliance even, you may find it hard to do some of the basic things without getting hassled: Mining is obvious, but also Complex running, hauling, buying things (as the market is more sparse) and generally getting around. There are gate camps, station camps, etc. but if you stay somewhere long enough you get to know it quite well and who comes and goes nearby. Then you can start to anticipate where people are traveling, who to watch otu for and who you can engage in a fight without a blob coming right behind them (Hi BoB). Still, i much prefer 0.0 to empire without things like mindless babble from idiots in local (for the most part, anyway) the ability to engage anyone at any time, better complexes, better minerals, moon mining, seeding the market, on and on. To each his own, but i for one will never fully go back to Empire.
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Salliene
Gallente Terracorp Technologies Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:13:00 -
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Life in 0.0 was fun, but not "all that". A lot of it depends on how well under control the alliance you are in has their section of 0.0.
When I first ventured into 0.0, SMASH had a pretty good handle on Geminate, and I could get to and from the area with little trouble, could rat, mine, produce in peace and join roaming PVP ops at will. Toward the end however getting in and out of Geminate was a roll of the dice if you weren't in a blob, and no matter where you were there was always a good chance of a TRI Nano gang showing up. Things got tense and the drama became unbearable. Holding onto a large region of 0.0 space requires a lot of effort, and I couldn't commit to spending 3 or 4 nights a week in 5 or 6 hour ops that may or may not result in a fight.
So yeah, if you are in a strong alliance with not many enemies, then life in 0.0 can be lucrative and fun, but if not then it is more trouble that it is worth for casual players.
I think that if you are looking for a good balance of the risky life but still have a little bit of security, then you should just make low sec your home. Less political drama, fewer gate camps, more local color, and high sec is always only a jump or two away if things get too stressful.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Batolemaeus on 15/12/2008 21:26:36 Edited by: Batolemaeus on 15/12/2008 21:24:45 Living out of cans and a few pos in a remote constellation in some deep 0.0 space was the best experience i ever had. Just me, my few ships, and my corpmates. Sometimes a carrierjump to bring some supplies into the constellation..
But other than that, one entire constellation, shared with people i like a lot. Sometimes some pewpew against roaming targets, losing a ship here and there. But overall, a quiet place with enough action to keep me entertained.
0.0 is all i need, and all i ever want from eve. It's like a little village, you all know each other, greet the reds in local, or kick out anyone you don't like. I can't stand empire..way too crowded, way too many idiots. Do you know that feeling you get when you stand in a crowded mall and just want to do a roundhousekick and stab everyone because they're annoying the hell out of you? Way too many people around? 0.0 is a quiet park with a heavy metal concert now and then, and people sometimes running around in double arsemode. ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Trotula
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.
Seriously, more independents should come out here, dont believe the hype 0.0 isnt as bad as they say.
My thoughts.
The majority of Eve players are in Empire.
The majority of Eve players are male.
The major reason a male would be afraid of something is if it were to harm/damage his genitals.
Thus, the reason the majority of Eve players don't go down to 0.0 is because living in 0.0 makes your genitals small.
So the true question in regards to living in 0.0 is this: For those that enjoy living down in 0.0, did they already have small genitals to begin with or did they not care that their genitals shrank once they moved down to 0.0?
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:22:00 -
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I enjoyed living out in 0.0 but having to constantly gear up and move around for alliance stuff made the whole thing tedious, I never really had a chance to do anything I wanted (like mining/ratting) although if I could find somewhere nice enough I would probably go back.
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Minmatar Citizen 290574
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Posted - 2008.12.16 02:14:00 -
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you havent truely played eve till u have lived in 0.o... all the factions of the game come together there
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.16 02:28:00 -
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Well, I made the move out to 0.0 a while ago...
...and then I moved right back to Empire about 3 months later.
Why?
Here's why:
Ratting? Sure, it's awesome. Except...looting is a pain if you aren't in a Domi or marauder. And very few areas have really good rats. Still, it'd be worth it, except that you get to usually share a system with two or three others, and spawns inevitably get wiped out. Oh, and don't forget the red roaming gangs who come through about once every 2 hours, and the solo-roamers. Hope you have a safespot and a cloak, and thirthy minutes of patience while your blues get together to chase them off.
Complexes. Yippee. All I need to do is spend roughly 6 hours trying to find a complex someone else hasn't already found, and I might get a DED complex or faction spawn. But usually not.
Trading. Also known as "how to get accused of market-**** by your blues".
Hauling. Sure, just train carrier or jump freighter and you're golden. Oh, and a cyno alt, because blues think it's funny to warp you into reds who weren't there five minutes ago, or can't be bothered.
PvP. Get gang. Undock. Find other gang. If them > us, run. Else fight. If no enemy gang, camp gate.
And the players...well, it seems to me that there are two kinds of 0.0 players: really childish jerks, and really nice guys. And the jerks tend try to make everyone's lives miserable, whether or not it is necessary.
Anyway, that was roughly my impressions. I can make much more ISK trading in Empire in complete safety, while using war-decs and low-sec piracy to fulfill my PvP needs.
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.16 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p
This! What would EvE be like without gate camping?
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MC Purge
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Posted - 2008.12.16 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: AkRoYeR
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p
This! What would EvE be like without gate camping?
devoid of 90% of combat.
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Bohoba
Caldari HolyKnights
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Posted - 2008.12.16 04:43:00 -
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BLOBS almost 5 years in 0.0 left do to BLOB warfare small gangs get BLOBed out and I am cald sp CCP nerfed Cald so bad that I am mininig and missioning in empier till it gets fixed
....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.16 05:19:00 -
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From my experience, 0.0 is as such: login to rat a bit, hostiles inbound, get shouted at to get in fleet, stare at bubble on gate for 3 hours, get bored/drunk/tired, logoff.
Much better running missions in empire and joining faction warefare for occasional pewage.
Prove me wrong. Please.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.16 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: login to rat a bit, hostiles inbound, get shouted at to get in fleet, stare at bubble on gate for 3 hours, get bored/drunk/tired, logoff.
Much better running missions in empire and joining faction warefare for occasional pewage.
Prove me wrong. Please.
Exactly. Frankly, non-NPC 0.0 is boring as all get out.
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:06:00 -
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it really depends on who you join up with . if you join pro-active agressive goal oriented players you will have fun . isk is not as big a deal as people make it . tbh you can trip and fall on a 100mio in 0.0 without even planning on it . any time i have spent living in 0.0 i generally walk away with 500-800mio a month without even trying .
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: MC Purge
Originally by: AkRoYeR
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p
This! What would EvE be like without gate camping?
devoid of 90% of combat.
Really? So less gatecamping would not bring more empire carebears to 0.0 land?
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: AkRoYeR Really? So less gatecamping would not bring more empire carebears to 0.0 land?
No, because people would just kill them in the belts instead. Same end result
Some peoples logic never fails to amaze.
Carebears don't want to be targets, which is why every single "How to get more targets to low-sec/0.0" fails at the title even before the argument starts.
If low-sec ever gets to see carebear traffic again, go check the boards for the "OMG, CCP nerfed piracy" threads.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.12.16 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: unconsensual PvP.
Much better sticking to the theme park.
Do I even need to say it? -
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Ana Vyr
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.16 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Vyr on 16/12/2008 14:56:31 If I end up getting bored with High Sec space, I'll go give it a whirl, but honestly, Null Sec sounds like a pain in the ass.
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KillSol
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Posted - 2008.12.16 14:57:00 -
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Took my Ibis to 0.0, it sure was pretty for being a cold, dark and lonely place... lots of big Rats out there and some rocks that were all shiny.
Then I heard a yarrr and found myself in hi-sec once again...
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.16 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: login to rat a bit, hostiles inbound, get shouted at to get in fleet, stare at bubble on gate for 3 hours, get bored/drunk/tired, logoff.
Much better running missions in empire and joining faction warefare for occasional pewage.
Prove me wrong. Please.
Next time, x-up for the occassional roaming op.
Personally, I keep one eye on the intel channel, and unless they've breached our core space, or there's actually a gang/fleet, I'll keep doing what I was already doing. When that's done, I'll join the roaming gangs that prowl around the low sec entries, which usually run into some form of opposition, but the reality of PvP is, neither side is simply going to sit there and get owned. You have to trap them, or they trap you, into combat. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.12.16 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: login to rat a bit, hostiles inbound, get shouted at to get in fleet, stare at bubble on gate for 3 hours, get bored/drunk/tired, logoff.
Much better running missions in empire and joining faction warefare for occasional pewage.
Prove me wrong. Please.
For the longest time I was something of a carebear. I didn't actually avoid PVP but I rarely found time to go out and do it (mainly because of running a corp).
A couple weeks back I said f*** it. I stopped recruiting/dealing with corp crap and went started pvping with my alliance whenever I could. This is what has happened so far. The longest we've ever camped a gate is maybe 15 minutes, and it's usually done because someone had to go afk for some reason or other and we're waiting on them to catch up. Can't remember the last time I had this much fun playing eve ^_^ and I've been playing non-stop for over 2 years >_<
The trick? Don't join a powerhouse in a sought after region in 0.0 Go to NPC space, where most powerblocks don't bother going due to sov issues. The ratting is still a lot better then highsec missions, the pvp involves roaming around and the game as a whole is just more fun. |
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.17 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull Next time, x-up for the occassional roaming op.
Personally, I keep one eye on the intel channel, and unless they've breached our core space, or there's actually a gang/fleet, I'll keep doing what I was already doing. When that's done, I'll join the roaming gangs that prowl around the low sec entries, which usually run into some form of opposition, but the reality of PvP is, neither side is simply going to sit there and get owned. You have to trap them, or they trap you, into combat.
Every 0.0 roaming op Ive been on ended up a waste of time. At best would get a few scattered kills, mostly people not watching their intel channels, before teh blob is set after you. Not worth my game time, tbh.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Brea Lafail From my experience, 0.0 is as such: unconsensual PvP.
Much better sticking to the theme park.
Do I even need to say it?
Yes, you must. If I get caught at a belt and my BS gets mauled by HACs, well, that's life. If I have to interrupt whatever Im doing everytime some random guy wanders through the constellation, that's just a pain in the ass. Probably doesn't help that Ive spent most my 0.0 time in drones: the drone loot pays well, but doesn't lend itself well to start-stop-start type play.
Originally by: Cambarus For the longest time I was something of a carebear. I didn't actually avoid PVP but I rarely found time to go out and do it (mainly because of running a corp).
A couple weeks back I said f*** it. I stopped recruiting/dealing with corp crap and went started pvping with my alliance whenever I could. This is what has happened so far. The longest we've ever camped a gate is maybe 15 minutes, and it's usually done because someone had to go afk for some reason or other and we're waiting on them to catch up. Can't remember the last time I had this much fun playing eve ^_^ and I've been playing non-stop for over 2 years >_<
The trick? Don't join a powerhouse in a sought after region in 0.0 Go to NPC space, where most powerblocks don't bother going due to sov issues. The ratting is still a lot better then highsec missions, the pvp involves roaming around and the game as a whole is just more fun.
My experience with the NPC 0.0 regions is limited, but I have strong doubts that, after factoring in the extra hassle of getting supplies into 0.0 and interruptions by hostiles, you will make more isk/hr of gameplay over lvl4 missions or other empire pursuits. Also, see above for my experience with roaming gangs.
Obviously there's a metric ****-tonne of isk to be made in 0.0 from moon mining, capital production, renting space to pets, etc., but none of that ends up in the pocket of the guy who just wants to play 1-2 hours/day (e.g. Me).
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:28:00 -
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0.0 as it is now is just a big blob of boring fail. In any alliance you're surrounded by 95% of people that are failures & freeloaders, pretend pvpers etc...
I used to love and live in 0.0 back in the day but it gradually just got worse. Capitals and poses had a lot to do with it. Second half of 07 I resigned to fringe 0.0 (syndicate) but in 08 decided to ditch it completely.
Empire is great if you really couldn't give a crap about politics, like to roam around solo or small gangs, have everything you need to buy right there etc... And you get away from the whole "we can't fight until we have eleventy people in our small gang" or "how many titans we got online". 0.0 is just a bunch of fail, from my point of view. For now empire warfare sustains me until they nerf it even more...
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Do you know that feeling you get when you stand in a crowded mall and just want to do a roundhousekick and stab everyone because they're annoying the hell out of you? Way too many people around? 0.0 is a quiet park with a heavy metal concert now and then, and people sometimes running around in double arsemode.
Let me guess, chain wallet, Sid Vicious T-shirt tucked into black faded jeans that are way to tight for you to wear with a studded belt and some Chuck Taylors.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail Obviously there's a metric ****-tonne of isk to be made in 0.0 from moon mining, capital production, renting space to pets, etc., but none of that ends up in the pocket of the guy who just wants to play 1-2 hours/day (e.g. Me).
Again, this is the truth. There is precious little in 0.0 that isn't either used to benefit alliance leaders, or is relatively worthless.
Ratting in a good system may make you more than level 4s, but not by much. Exploration is too rare, too tricky, and too dangerous (out of territory escalations, anyone?) for the casual players to benefit from. Missions are harder, put your standings to Concord and the empires in the tank, and have LP stores with mostly useless rewards.
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Mac Maniac
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:39:00 -
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I've noticed most of the people who do not care for 0.0 have one thing in common.. Everything is about "ME", not about the corp, alliance or even your friends. 0.0 is all about teamwork. It takes a team of people working together to be successful in 0.0 If you are going to 0.0 with the idea of solo everything including mining, ratting etc.. then yes, you will be bored. I have done the mission running in Empire, IMHO after I have run the same mission for the umpeenth time I'm done with that. What I like about 0.0 is that: If I want to rat, I'm ratting If I want to mine, I mine If I want to roam, I'm out roaming If I want to gatecamp, I'm gatecamping. If I want to do exporation to find complexes, I'm out scanning My point is, with the exception of ratting, all of the other activities usually involve my corp/alliance members.
Teamwork. If you want to be a solo player and all about yourself and only about yourself, then I would say that 0.0 is probably not for you and I don't mean this in a mean sort of way but don't bother coming to 0.0 if that is the case. Don't want you, Don't need you.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.18 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Maniac Don't want you, Don't need you.
Really? I seem to recall constant pestering to help NC defend their territory. Should I have just went out mining instead?
Teamwork => obligation to the team => not getting to do what you want when you want.
So, it looks like you contradict yourself in that post.
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Maniac Don't want you, Don't need you.
Then please get the word out to all of your 0.0 buddies to stop posting stuff like this:
Originally by: Aaron id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.
Seriously, more independents should come out here, dont believe the hype 0.0 isnt as bad as they say.
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0.0 may even be more profitable, but for most people, it's not more fun. Rather, it resembles a modified type of slavery.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:28:00 -
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More NPC stations in 0.0 and it'll be great.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:41:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Misanth More NPC stations in 0.0 and it'll be great.
hahah
Less, you mean. NPC stations are an absolute bother.
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Mac Maniac
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.18 09:39:00 -
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Quote: If you want to be a solo player and all about yourself and only about yourself, then I would say that 0.0 is probably not for you and I don't mean this in a mean sort of way but don't bother coming to 0.0 if that is the case. Don't want you, Don't need you.
Really, try reading and comprehending the entire paragraph not just the one line.
0.0 really is not that bad. The trade off for living in 0.0 and having access to better rats, better mins, better complexes, etc. but also means you do have an obligation to your corp/alliance not just yourself AND to defend your home.
Quote: Really? I seem to recall constant pestering to help NC defend their territory. Should I have just went out mining instead?
And you are??? I see no corp tag, no alliance tag.. I'm wearing mine. You? You appear to be extremely negative about your 0.0 experience. Perhaps you should find an alliance more suited to your tastes if that is the case. Not all alliances are about "modified slavery".
I like the fact when I want/need help I have corpmates THAT RESPOND. Conversely, when they need help; I take off my carebear hat and go give an assist. What goes around, comes around.
Quote: it really depends on who you join up with . if you join pro-active agressive goal oriented players you will have fun . isk is not as big a deal as people make it . tbh you can trip and fall on a 100mio in 0.0 without even planning on it . any time i have spent living in 0.0 i generally walk away with 500-800mio a month without even trying .
Right on the money there. But you should notice the word... JOIN
Having the right mindset and setting your expectations is going to be crucial to your success.. If when people start asking questions abut life in 0.0 IMHO usually means that Empire boredom is either starting to set in or already has and they are starting to get the itch to find something else to do.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: FlameGlow on 18/12/2008 10:17:34 0.0 carebears are the worst kind, just sitting in their citizen corps, ratiing all day long and hiding at the first glimpse of non-blue in local _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:31:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Pohbis
Originally by: AkRoYeR Really? So less gatecamping would not bring more empire carebears to 0.0 land?
No, because people would just kill them in the belts instead. Same end result
Some peoples logic never fails to amaze.
Carebears don't want to be targets, which is why every single "How to get more targets to low-sec/0.0" fails at the title even before the argument starts.
If low-sec ever gets to see carebear traffic again, go check the boards for the "OMG, CCP nerfed piracy" threads.
I'm not sure that's 100% true. Sure carebears don't want to be targets, but they want to make more ISK too, to the point of irrationality - just look at what happened when the Motsu belt agents were moved around, people going crazy (omg wtf I can't deal with less than L4 Q18 & over 5k LP per mission!).
The problem, as always, is risk vs reward - whilst you obviously can't make low-sec activites pay out the equivalent value to a ship & fittings (let's just say 50m for BC+fit, double or triple that for a BS) there has to be more appeal than just "some better rats and moderately better LP payout". It's all about temptation really, increase the temptation and the people who obsess over ISK/hour ratio etc will try their luck. Or not, who knows.
But yeah your basic point is sound - pirates wanting more targets in low-sec don't realise that they are their own worst enemy.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 18/12/2008 10:35:38
Originally by: FlameGlow Edited by: FlameGlow on 18/12/2008 10:17:34 0.0 carebears are the worst kind, just sitting in their citizen corps, ratiing all day long and hiding at the first glimpse of non-blue in local
Pvp players are the worst. They want kills, kills, kills, and always kills, but also humiliate their targets at the same time, without thinking one instant that it is a game and not a competition.
With their damn killmails who are used to track individual "performance", they demotivate players to try to Pvp as much don't want to be mocked by some stupid "best" players if they would have bad stats reported in Battleclinic or others killboards.
All hail kill/death ratio.
Ok I exagerate a few... Euh... Wait, I was right in fact. ___________________
Remove Local is the worst idea ever.
Prepare for unforseen consequences...
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Ali Aras
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:55:00 -
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I've never gone into 0.0, mostly because I don't want to bother with figuring out how to get there without getting my ass killed. I know it would involve making alliances, actually joining a decent corp, etc, but I just can't be bothered to figure it all out.
Also, I suck at PvP pretty hardcore.
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Kakwakas
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:19:00 -
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I have about 1.7mil SP. Nullsec is bad for my insurance policies.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:21:00 -
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I like to ninja 0.0, screw living out there.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:21:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 18/12/2008 10:35:38
Originally by: FlameGlow Edited by: FlameGlow on 18/12/2008 10:17:34 0.0 carebears are the worst kind, just sitting in their citizen corps, ratiing all day long and hiding at the first glimpse of non-blue in local
Pvp players are the worst. They want kills, kills, kills, and always kills, but also humiliate their targets at the same time, without thinking one instant that it is a game and not a competition.
With their damn killmails who are used to track individual "performance", they demotivate players to try to Pvp as much don't want to be mocked by some stupid "best" players if they would have bad stats reported in Battleclinic or others killboards.
All hail kill/death ratio.
Ok I exagerate a few... Euh... Wait, I was right in fact.
Those two views are the extremes, but I've been lucky to meet a lot of people like myself who can handle working in both worlds.
Alliances that tend to one extreme or another don't do very well. The Drone Regions are littered with the remains of carebear alliances, and the NPC regions are equally littered with the remains of pure PvP alliances who thought it was all about the K/D ratio. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kakwakas I have about 1.7mil SP. Nullsec is bad for my insurance policies.
and your attitude is bad for your game play experience. why not lose a few cheap t1 frigs/cruisers?
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Kakwakas
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Kakwakas I have about 1.7mil SP. Nullsec is bad for my insurance policies.
and your attitude is bad for your game play experience. why not lose a few cheap t1 frigs/cruisers?
Because I won't get any kills seeing as 95% of 0.0 seems to be roving gank gangs consisting of people with millions upon millions of SP. I'd be lucky to get 1 person down to half their shields.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kakwakas
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Kakwakas I have about 1.7mil SP. Nullsec is bad for my insurance policies.
and your attitude is bad for your game play experience. why not lose a few cheap t1 frigs/cruisers?
Because I won't get any kills seeing as 95% of 0.0 seems to be roving gank gangs consisting of people with millions upon millions of SP. I'd be lucky to get 1 person down to half their shields.
Rollin' solo in 0.0 is bad, m'kay?
People at your level of skill do fine as tacklers in small gangs, even better in larger fleets. In fact, you'd be amazed how well your survival rate goes up when you surround yourself with much sweeter targets. Just be sure your side wins. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Kakwakas
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull Rollin' solo in 0.0 is bad, m'kay?
People at your level of skill do fine as tacklers in small gangs, even better in larger fleets. In fact, you'd be amazed how well your survival rate goes up when you surround yourself with much sweeter targets. Just be sure your side wins. [:p
Aye, I'm just waiting to get some more SP and then I'll roll with my corp. They mostly do small-group stealth hit & runs, it seems.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Janu Hull on 18/12/2008 19:37:07 A guy in my corp hung with us when we lived in Catch and was on killboards with less than 2 million SP as a tackler. You don't have to wait. In fact, now's the time to learn all the fun ways to die, because your clones are cheap. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Cosmoleena Jordan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:16:00 -
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Empire is play, 0.0 is work. Huge difference. If someone asked me if I would rather play or work, what would I, or anyone say to that? Being in a corp is work. Hanging with friends is play. Dealing with politics from being in a corp is work. Harassing a drama queen is play. Being gate camped is work. Not being gate camped is good.
all of you who drone on and on about how empire dwellers don't count, shouldn't bother logging in, blah blah blah... stfu. You don't pay my bills and you don't replace my **** when it's pew pew'd. You don't pay my CCP bills, and you don't count for **** in my eyes either. Get a life. Get out of 0,0 it's akin to sticking your head out of the cave once in a while.
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Tychus
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:25:00 -
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I'm gonna give you nuckleheads the greatest reason to go to 0.0. It has nothing to do with isk. Join a 0.0 alliance and when the FC sez "x for roaming/pos defense/pew pew" X up children. Contribute to the group, get to know peeps, and have a blast. Just STFU when the FC sez so. I live in Empire now, but i'm still friends with the ppl i flew with YEARS AGO. Eve will suck up more of your time then ever. But you'll have a book of stories about the epic battles you fought, the awesome ppl you flew with, and a lot of laughs. Its all about the people, the isk is just gravy. And my time in empire is about to draw to a close again, so i hope to see some of you 0.0 dwellers in red/blue boxes again....
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Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:51:00 -
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Problem with 0.0 is that you have to jump at the whim of the alliances and corps that run it.
So if your a gamer that only gets maybe one hr a day at most to play then you wil be spending your time doing what they want you to do instead of what you want to do.
The corps interests come before the interests of the individual - in all things...
At least that was my exposure... If I ever want to have my account controlled by other people I'll go to 0.0 again, otherwise Hello High sec!
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Cosmoleena Jordan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:24:00 -
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I get tired of hearing how those who don't enjoy 0.0 are non-group contributers, not team players, etc. I think the majority of us in Empire would like to be team players, but in the end, this is just a game. And when I contribute to a team in RL I expect that team to be there for everyone as well. Not so for this game.
0.0 sucks for every single member of small corps. no matter what the alliance. Small corps do not do well there as they generally have to "rent" their safety. So logic dictates that you need to be a member of a pretty large corps and involved with a pretty large alliance. And what happens when you're a part of something big? You're life ceases to be your own. All for the corp, all for the alliance. Please. This is a game I PAY to play. My time, which is worth something, should not be spend WORKING in a game to make those at the top of the pyramid happier. This is crap! That is way too much like RL.
The best corp I have ever seen or belonged to was a small corp who didn't care much for 0.0, they were low-sec. Everyone enjoyed their play time. There was some pirating, gate gamping, mining, hauling, whatever. But nobody was made to do crap if they didn't want to. My alt belonged to that corp. Best time I ever had. DREKLA I think it was called. That was before I took a break. I hope they're all doing well :D
btw don't even think of making fun of my carebareness. I applied and was accepted by that corp after they killed me at a gate camp :P
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Daitetsu Minase
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:47:00 -
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0.0 is like lowsec with bubbles and other crud I couldn't be arsed with.
Lowsec is great, but I win gatecamps on bubbles completely destroy the fun of 0 sec of small corps of industrialists with 1 pvper. (see my corp)
Lowsec is epic funs when you find a good complex or a cosmic anomaly... but you can be assured because of lowsec's relatively low population vs. 0.0 and high sec that you're less likely to get wtfganked in the middle of a looting run.
If 0 sec wasn't quite as cordoned off into the 0.0 ghetto, as I call it, and had some jumps direct from high to 0 sec, I bet it would be a LOT of fun. as it is, the gauntlet of lowsec systems, only to hit a bubble and get webbed and nuked by several battleships only to see a disco fitted ship take my pod away too is...
lame. While I understand the more strategic nature of 0.0 combat, it doesn't work well with small corps establishing even a token presence there.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:57:00 -
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Once you get through the gate camps, I found it to be mostly empty. The smack is good though ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Marlenus on 18/12/2008 23:11:05
Originally by: Aaron id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.
Well, the most recent four posts on my blog at Ironfleet.com are my Notes From Morsus Mihi Space.
Short version -- out of boredom and curiousity, I took a cloaked Prowler about twenty jumps into MM space and roamed around, admiring the majestic emptiness of it all. It was my first experience of having to wait for a system I was jumping into to load onto the cluster-server.
A little excitement getting in and out, and not a lot for a solo player (which I pretty much will always be due to my lack of ability to sit at the keyboard for uninterrupted hours while on corp/alliance business) to do while there. Still, I had a lot of fun, and I thought the MM people were as quite friendly within the limits imposed by their need to kill me if they could only catch me (meep meep!).
For years I've been reading "0.0 is not as bad as they say." My cautious first impression is to agree with that. But the challenges to enjoying it for a solo player remain enormous. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
endaler
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmoleena Jordan Empire is play, 0.0 is work. Huge difference. If someone asked me if I would rather play or work, what would I, or anyone say to that? Being in a corp is work. Hanging with friends is play. Dealing with politics from being in a corp is work. Harassing a drama queen is play. Being gate camped is work. Not being gate camped is good.
all of you who drone on and on about how empire dwellers don't count, shouldn't bother logging in, blah blah blah... stfu. You don't pay my bills and you don't replace my **** when it's pew pew'd. You don't pay my CCP bills, and you don't count for **** in my eyes either. Get a life. Get out of 0,0 it's akin to sticking your head out of the cave once in a while.
The only thing you do in empire is earning isk, IMO earning isk (or other currency) = work. In 0.0 you have fun, you spend isk instead of earning it (well ofcourse you can earn it there aswell). Being in a corp isn't work, being in a corp is hanging with your friends. The people in the corp should become your friends you play with.
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:56:00 -
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I spent about a month down in 0.0 a long while back. Before warp to zero, so I'm not sure if caps were in yet. POSes were just coming in I think.
Anyway I did have some fun down there, and as a very low SP player, I found I couldn't really do anything down there, because I couldn't fly a BS. Now I could obviously go on all the corp ops, because they could take down the rats, but solo I couldn't do anything at all. And not as bad, but still bad was when there were people on, since I couldn't survive the rats solo (can't mine, can't rat), I had to join in with whatever they were doing (usually mining...kinda boring).
So I quit the game. Came back later, and now I could survive down there solo no problem (when nothing was going on I mean), but now I'm having fun getting ready for a small IPO venture, and building on the free market. I can't do that in 0.0.
Also, like others said, you just have to have a lot more disposable time to have fun down there, assuming you like to do more than just PvP all the time. And even if you do have some time, I'm not sure about other people, but at work all day I think about what I want to do when I log into EvE when I get home: mission to raise cash for part of this IPO, build some stuff, what have you, but then if you're in 0.0 you may log in and have to do something totally different, so then you don't get to do what you've been thinking about doing all day. I would imagine that's a good chunk of what people are talking about. --------------------
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:09:00 -
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You would get more people enjoying it in 0.0 if it weren't for gate camps and NBSI policies which is possibly the result of the worst kind of paranoia.
Most new players get intrigued and have a float around to see what it's all about. Often their first experience of 0.0 (if they actually make it that far) is brief and violent as their clone activates and they find themselves back in highsec where they started. It's amusing to see players from 0.0 then ask why nobody wants to go there Try asking yourself that question when you pop your next neut.
As for the solo aspect. It's human nature to want to achieve and gangs don't give that feeling of achievement. You didn't kill that player, your gang did and you just happened to lay the final blow so you got the killmail. Oh whoopee ****ing doo In a 1v1 you could be the worst pilot ever but chance always gives you the killmail in a gang fight.
Fighting has always been about honour and respect for me. I have more respect for the roaming solo PVPer in lowsec than I have for alliances in 0.0. Blobs don't earn any respect, Sov gives way too much power in your favour and battles now are all about who can field the most caps and supercaps.
Someone else mentioned it before me. If I want my CEO or alliance leader to dictate when and where I play, maybe he should be paying my subs. I pay my subs to have fun when I play, I don't pay my subs to work for someone else in game. I work in RL and get paid for doing it, I don't pay to work.
I still say that there should be more solo content in this game. I know I'm going to get the MMOG arguement here but I'll defuse that right away by saying:
Quote: Multiplayer denotes the you are playing a game that others are also playing. This does not necessarily mean you are all cooperating or teaming up.
Anyone who has played FPS deathmatches already knows this aspect of multiplayer games. Last man standing. No teams and everyone shoots everyone else. This does not make it any less a MMOG.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:16:00 -
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For a casual player like me, making isk in relative safety in highsec combined with the fun of FW PVP makes life good. Lived in 0.0 before and not itching to go back anytime soon. No if you're online 10 hours a day the story might be different.
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Meg Lee
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Anyone who has played FPS deathmatches already knows this aspect of multiplayer games. Last man standing. No teams and everyone shoots everyone else. This does not make it any less a MMOG.
So your'e saying Quake is an MMOG?
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Meg Lee
Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Anyone who has played FPS deathmatches already knows this aspect of multiplayer games. Last man standing. No teams and everyone shoots everyone else. This does not make it any less a MMOG.
So your'e saying Quake is an MMOG?
Tell me why it isn't. The fact that you've probably only seen 2 or 3 players on one map does not mean that's all you can have. I've played a Quake DM on a LAN with 40 or so playing at once, it was absolute madness but terrific fun, you had to keep moving, if you stopped for a second to look around, you were dead. BTW: It turns even the cutest office girls into something you'd never want to see again. Geez, they swear like street trash when you kill them
The only limitation is the size of the maps. 40 on an existing large map was bad enough but a much larger map would support far more.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.19 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I like to ninja 0.0, screw living out there.
^
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Saihras
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Saihras on 19/12/2008 04:13:38 Here's my story of eve so far...
Tried trial ages ago, played 6days in empire missioning/mining/trading, and saw the the whole "game" as a big grind for more isk much like many other grind mmos. Now about 20 days ago I read a story of a brave newbie who went to 0.0(providence) and was able live there with his trusty vexor ratting for income. Now I thought: "If he can do it with low SP char surely I can try aswell" also the providence holders NRDS(NotRedDontShoot) sounded interesting since it allowed neutrals in their space which makes the place like empire but without the lame concord or other restrictions, a true eve experience.
So I bought eve and started looking for a suitable corp/alliance without knowning anything really while training my skills for cruisers. Most corps had serious SP reqs so a fresh player like me just kept looking and looking untill I came across a post from AM(AegisMilitia) and was taken in by one the corporations in the alliance(RaataTech). Few days later I flew my thorax down to the hearth of the AM space, set a jumpclone just incase 0.0 isnt for me yet as I only had a thorax with some modules in cargohold and glorious 900k SP char to boot. After a while corpmates noticed I was down there in the mix doing what newbies do best: doing it wrong!. So they hauled me a can in to a safespot we have in a POS and even tanked some rats for me at the start while instructing me on how to and why chaining the rats helps etc, but getting helped too much wasnt what I wanted so when I got the chance to challence the local sanhas in my thorax alone I did. It was tricky but possible to kill most of the spawns, even so the income was better than the great missioning(L2) grind in empire and having salvaging trained helped aswell since those BS's do drop goodies. While visits of the local reds kept me keeping an eye on that local compared to semiAFK play of empire.
Now Im having no trouble in ratting with a BC(switched after a day of thoraxing) and training for BS since interestingly enough I can buy and fit one faster than even board one. So by now I am pretty used to providence life and these days spending more and more time with my old friend thorax to chase pirates/reds all around when there's no OP's going on.
There is life and freedom in 0.0. And most importantly no devs shove their rules on you, but players themselves waving the guns at you for breaking the rules they set, not that it prevents players from breaking them again and again or judging their rules or out right challenging them with superiour firepower. And thats EVE imo!
edit: Hmm should I post this on a new topic in a attempt to attract more targets, I mean people to 0.0 :/
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Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:24:00 -
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The big misconspetion is, that people have never been to 0.0 sec. Most to all players in Eve have been to 0.0 sec. They can't be tricked in to 0.0 sec. They know it's all a hustle. They know that part of the price you pay for being in a 0.0 sec alliance is you are perma war dec;ed by one pet corp or another. They know they will spend more time recovering PvP loss than they will moving forward in the game. They know better. But keep at it. Someone will show up in a Drake tommorow with big plans and be back in high sec an hr later scrounging up for another Drake. |
ingenting
20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:27:00 -
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We have no problems in querious except the occational roaming solo/gang. Maybe you all should find a better home. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb." |
SiJira
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Posted - 2008.12.25 22:56:00 -
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is better than living in empire because broken security status isnt broken Trashed sig, Shark was here |
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.25 23:12:00 -
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There are so many ridiculous things posted in this thread.
Buit I will respond to the person who mentioned putting a POS. If you put it in a non-Sov 3 system, and are smart, you can actually keep it alive for a long time there.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Psiri
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Posted - 2008.12.26 21:54:00 -
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Blergh, I don't see why one should bother. Unless you just so happened to find that well fed station in a quiet or well organized piece of space then it's just a pain, you have to haul everything that you wish to sell for a proper penny and you'll always have to keep a close eye on local.
0.0 just seems useless to me for anyone who's not,
a) an alliance junkie
b) a pirate
or
c) another alliance junkie trying to kill the two above
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2008.12.26 22:25:00 -
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I spent a majority of my career up till this point in 0.0. I am now an Empire Carebear, and happy for it.
For me, the problem with 0.0 life is that it requires a much bigger committment to the times you play. This may be in the form of defense, this may be in the form offence - it may just be in the amount of attention needed on the screen at all times.
In empire, I can happily mine away while reading a book or doing a paper - still accomplishing something in Eve. In 0.0, if I did the same, I'd be minus one ship fairly quickly. ----------------
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.26 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus Edited by: Marlenus on 18/12/2008 23:11:05
Originally by: Aaron id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.
Well, the most recent four posts on my blog at Ironfleet.com are my Notes From Morsus Mihi Space.
Oooooh, i didn't know that one. Nice.
Come for a visit sometime :) ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.12.27 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt There are so many ridiculous things posted in this thread.
Buit I will respond to the person who mentioned putting a POS. If you put it in a non-Sov 3 system, and are smart, you can actually keep it alive for a long time there.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.27 05:34:00 -
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Even if you really want to solo 0.0, you should join a 0.0 corp first just to learn how corps in general operate out here. You need to know this stuff just to avoid trouble.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.27 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Well, I made the move out to 0.0 a while ago...
...and then I moved right back to Empire about 3 months later.
Why?
Here's why:
Ratting? Sure, it's awesome. Except...looting is a pain if you aren't in a Domi or marauder. And very few areas have really good rats. Still, it'd be worth it, except that you get to usually share a system with two or three others, and spawns inevitably get wiped out. Oh, and don't forget the red roaming gangs who come through about once every 2 hours, and the solo-roamers. Hope you have a safespot and a cloak, and thirthy minutes of patience while your blues get together to chase them off.
Complexes. Yippee. All I need to do is spend roughly 6 hours trying to find a complex someone else hasn't already found, and I might get a DED complex or faction spawn. But usually not.
Trading. Also known as "how to get accused of market-**** by your blues".
Hauling. Sure, just train carrier or jump freighter and you're golden. Oh, and a cyno alt, because blues think it's funny to warp you into reds who weren't there five minutes ago, or can't be bothered.
PvP. Get gang. Undock. Find other gang. If them > us, run. Else fight. If no enemy gang, camp gate.
And the players...well, it seems to me that there are two kinds of 0.0 players: really childish jerks, and really nice guys. And the jerks tend try to make everyone's lives miserable, whether or not it is necessary.
Anyway, that was roughly my impressions. I can make much more ISK trading in Empire in complete safety, while using war-decs and low-sec piracy to fulfill my PvP needs.
This is pretty much what happened to me in four months of being in 0.0.
That and the fact that we were never at home to rat in the first place so i was always completly broke. And if you left to rat or make isk you got yelled back, so i went back to empire. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always acertain the vintage of the first two. |
PsychoBones
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.12.27 08:59:00 -
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****it.
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2008.12.27 11:14:00 -
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0.0
Ok, my take on it as someone who occasionally goes to lowsec and so far has died every time I tried to go to 0.0 in a gatecamp (only about 5-10 times, so meh).
I dont want politics. I like to chat a little, flirt with the men of the fbi ^^. I like internet spaceships and remember the old old game 'privateer'. I love the solo-space-pilot 'flair'. I like to be able to escape from fights I could never win.
The only thing I could expect to be reasonably appealing about 0.0 would be "solo smuggler". Bringing some rare stuff to places where good prices would be paid. But... erm.... Jumping... waiting... pod... station. Frustration.
Frustration - thats what happens to non-pvp-focused players in anything but empire.
Are you guys seriously asking why some people just dont like to be frustrated? Like the ones not enjoying pvp? And no, eve is not all pvp. It does have empire space, you know.
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jst tstng
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Posted - 2008.12.27 15:42:00 -
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For anyones information I have only a couple of times flown a ship into 0.0, yes i am a coward carebear soon to be elite 0.0 pirate, and have never seen anything that looked like a gate camp, ok maybe not never. One time i traveled from highsec domain i think all the way through providence and when i was half way into catch, on my way to stain, i flew into a couple of smartbombs. Just the other day I flew from derelik through 0.0, thats about 15 jumps through 3 regions i think, to metropolis without meeting anyone. My point is, 0.0 is empty. There is actually no people there and I am moving tomorrow.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.27 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: jst tstng
My point is, 0.0 is empty. There is actually no people there and I am moving tomorrow.
Yes and no.
I'll take tribute as an example, because it's well known anyways to anyone looking at the map:
There's space. A lot of space is not worth living in. There's some space that is very crowded and buzzing with life.
People who venture into 0.0 often only see the crap space, where mostly ratters reside. If you look at the map, you usually see a few hot spots in regions. For Tribute, that would be the pipe from 15w over mshd, d7-z, wh-. It's the "town", with the main systems holding most of the industrial force and capital staging points. Then there's the surrounding area which only serves as ratting and moon mining space, with only pos and no outposts around.
I've flown through a lot of space, from north to south, and studied other alliances. They work mostly the same. There's one or two centers, and then a lot of relatively empty space around. If you stay in those mostly empty systems, you can survive for a long, long time, maybe even live out of a stealthy small pos if you are sneaky. We had some people try that in Tribute, too, and some kept a very low profile for a few weeks even until someone found them. That's two weeks of stealth 0.0 ratting and mining of a corp with only a few people in it undetected in one of the most crowded 0.0 regions. Only Providence has more people per system. There's just so much space that is horrible for 0.0 people, like -0.02 realsec systems with 7 belts. NOBODY seriously wants that space. It's better and more safe than empire, but not really worth it for any established entity. ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.27 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre For a casual player like me, making isk in relative safety in highsec combined with the fun of FW PVP makes life good. Lived in 0.0 before and not itching to go back anytime soon. No if you're online 10 hours a day the story might be different.
Now this I will agree with...partially.
10 hours a day is exaggerating a lot, but you'd better be ready to put in at least three hours a day at least five days a week. Alliance life is about making your face known, in fleets, in alliance chat, doing something useful to contribute to the success of the group. Its like a team sport, you need to put the time in to be a real working part of it. There's all but no room on the team for benchwarmers in 0.0.
I don't say this looking down on anyone who lacks the time to put into 0.0 gaming, either. I understand that real life has to come first, even we out here need to take breaks from the game when life rears its head. But when you've got the time to commit, the alliance is going to demand it of you in return for all the perks you enjoy when they're not calling for you. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.27 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
10 hours a day is exaggerating a lot, but you'd better be ready to put in at least three hours a day at least five days a week. Alliance life is about making your face known, in fleets, in alliance chat, doing something useful to contribute to the success of the group. Its like a team sport, you need to put the time in to be a real working part of it. There's all but no room on the team for benchwarmers in 0.0.
I highly disagree. We have a lot (and i mean, like, a LOT) of people in our corp and alliance who can only play on weekends and maybe an hour a day on weekdays, if any. If you have a lot of weekend warriors you only need a few more people in the alliance working together to achieve the same stuff smaller but more active alliances can. Teamwork is definitely required, constant activity is not. When there's pewpew to be had or some capitals to be built, and you're online, then you're supposed to x up of course. ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Al Kickaurazz
Amarr Ophiuchus Rahu Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.27 19:03:00 -
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i dont like 0.0 because i play casually. Casual and 0.0 pvp corps usually dont mix well, sort of like WOW endgame raiding guilds and casual to make a WOW comparison (I know how much everyone LOVES WOW in EVE.. )
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.27 19:55:00 -
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0.0 loses it's luster when u realize you've gone through an entire week from DT to DT napping a little bit here and there between anchoring and reinforced timers. Some people can do this, some can't. I quickly found that no matter how much I gave, the rest of my comrades we're still back in the ratting systems printing isk while most of the alliance leadership and fleet members were in local with me.
So, if you are an empire dweller that wants to go play in 0.0 scout with a ceptor/covops, fit up a cloaking HAC Gang with a blockade runner, find a deserted consteallation or dead end system with bad trusec status. Rat and Loot into the BR, then head back to empire. Baddies/Neuts show up warp to safe and cloak.
There you go fill in those side constellations no one's using.
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Victoria Parvati
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Posted - 2008.12.27 20:35:00 -
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It just doesn't seem fun. I don't want to pay for a second account just to see if I can jump into the next system or not.
If I could actually get through gates, it might be interesting. But right now, I don't necessarily like the idea of getting a mission, jumping through the gate, and instantly getting blown up by 10 people sitting on a gate.
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