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Heknai
Gallente
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:24:00 -
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Is it worth training for large hybrids? I have 21m sp with 3.2m in gunnery (only small/medium and only gallente guns)..I'd like to get up a sniping boat with a mega but, they do dismal damage compared to other races, and then all this I hear about large blasters can't hit anything under BC size. Would I be off not even bothering atm and train say, lasers, or train large hybrids in hopes of a buff down the road?
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:25:00 -
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Train laser, fit to mega, point out the fit constantly to **** off gallente players. 
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Karille
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:25:00 -
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Just train them. They're fine.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Billy Sastard on 18/12/2008 17:27:09
I say train them... The reason being that yea they may not be the uberpwn weapon right now, but EVE being what it is, chances are some time in the future hybrids will get their turn as the uberpwnweapon. Diversification is the key to immunity to nerfs.
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Heknai
Gallente
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:33:00 -
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Cool, I'll start training today :) thx!
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Enaria Ferenic
Amarr
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Billy Sastard
Edited by: Billy Sastard on 18/12/2008 17:27:09
I say train them... The reason being that yea they may not be the uberpwn weapon right now, but EVE being what it is, chances are some time in the future hybrids will get their turn as the uberpwnweapon. Diversification is the key to immunity to nerfs.
^^This. Trained up on another char to be a high skill Gal/Amarr Recon pilot (and both have been pretty much beaten to death by nerf's atm), but in EVE the worm turns and the SP invested in this will pay off at some stage.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:49:00 -
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Train um
I have decent blaster skills and even if their accuracy sucks against smaller ships, they wtfpwn bigger ships fairly well 
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Zyck
KDS Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Train um
I have decent blaster skills and even if their accuracy sucks against smaller ships, they wtfpwn bigger ships fairly well
This...when it comes to close range battleship fighting the last thing you want is a mega or hyperion with a full rack of blasters on your ass.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:26:00 -
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Large Hybrids are fine guns. For the rails, you need to learn the range limitations.
The minimum range to hit Frigate class vessels: 55km (Hit them at this range, and there's a good chance of one volleying them)
The minimum range to hit Destroyer class vessels: 45km (Some one volley potential)
The minimum range to hit Cruiser class vessels: 30km
The minimum range to hit Battleship class vessels: 10km
Under 10km, they simply don't land any shots at all. Even on stationary targets, nothing will land.
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:16:00 -
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Dismal damage? They actually do great damage. One of the better damage snipe setups in the game.
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alexreborn
Sekura-Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:05:00 -
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21 mil sp and cant use tech 2 large guns? GET ON THAT STAT!
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Drachma Golea
Caldari
hunter killers
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Drachma Golea on 18/12/2008 22:12:00
Edited by: Drachma Golea on 18/12/2008 22:10:18
[ 2008.11.04 08:49:30 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun II is well aimed at Angel Spy, inflicting 536.4 damage.
[ 2008.11.04 08:49:30 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun II is well aimed at Angel Spy, inflicting 494.1 damage.
[ 2008.07.05 09:38:46 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun II places an excellent hit on Angel Viper, inflicting 645.3 damage.
poooff it was gone
[ 2008.11.09 17:13:34 ] (combat) Your group of Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I is well aimed at Kevin Gurnhill [MSC1], inflicting 24997.7 damage.
[ 2008.10.26 10:33:20 ] (combat) Your 425mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Serpentis Stronghold, wrecking for 2295.0 damage.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:16:00 -
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i am using both amarr and gallente ships and i am happy with sniping out small ships, ( missing t2 large lasers tacyons though ) but i sit at 90KM with my names tacyon on my apoc using standard ammo and insta pop frigates, my 2 scan res SB and my long range targeting sensor booster in conjunction with my level 5 locking time skill means i can get on KM's for pods aswell.
all i have had to shoot this past week is frigates/pods trying to escape from the area were taking over
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Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:27:00 -
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Gank megas are awesome at killing other bs's and bc's. 1.3k dps gank mega 4tw. But yeah, large hybrids are fine.
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Kainoss
Gallente
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:29:00 -
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What is failing to be said here is that you also need support skills. Make sure in the process of training. Things like Trajectory Analysis, Surgical Strike, Sharpshooter, Rapid Firing, Motion Prediction, and Controlled Bursts. Also Advanced Weapon Upgrades to 4 will help you with fitting issues. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:36:00 -
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Your question makes no sense to me. If you want to fly Gallente battleships, you pretty much need large hybrids. If not, then don't. The only Gallente battleship that can get by without them is the Dominix, since it's drone-focused.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Yakov Draken on 18/12/2008 23:40:00
Originally by: Leviathan9
Gank megas are awesome at killing other bs's and bc's. 1.3k dps gank mega 4tw. But yeah, large hybrids are fine.
QFT
What happened to "the sky is falling - large blasters are finished!!" crowd. They used to be pretty vocal.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:42:00 -
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He's got 3.2mil in gunnery and if he only has small and med hybrids atm then I 'd say he's got support covered pretty well.
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Baron Holbach
Pernicious Creed
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Baron Holbach on 19/12/2008 00:06:53
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
He's got 3.2mil in gunnery and if he only has small and med hybrids atm then I 'd say he's got support covered pretty well.
i got 10mill in gunnery and dont even have all support coverd yet
(just hybrids btw)
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Baron Holbach
Edited by: Baron Holbach on 19/12/2008 00:06:53
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
He's got 3.2mil in gunnery and if he only has small and med hybrids atm then I 'd say he's got support covered pretty well.
i got 10mill in gunnery and dont even have all support coverd yet
(just hybrids btw)
That's strange cause I've 5.8 mil, all supports are 4 or 5 and I've got hybrids to 5 up to large (specialize in rails also), Lasers up to large, and projectile up to med
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Neth'Rae
Gallente
Decorum Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: alexreborn
21 mil sp and cant use tech 2 large guns? GET ON THAT STAT!
25mil here, no t2 large guns or heavy drones :p
T2 Cruisers and Frigs ftw :P
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Baron Holbach
Edited by: Baron Holbach on 19/12/2008 00:06:53
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
He's got 3.2mil in gunnery and if he only has small and med hybrids atm then I 'd say he's got support covered pretty well.
i got 10mill in gunnery and dont even have all support coverd yet
(just hybrids btw)
That's strange cause I've 5.8 mil, all supports are 4 or 5 and I've got hybrids to 5 up to large (specialize in rails also), Lasers up to large, and projectile up to med
There are a few skills in Gunnery that amount to more than 6m SP's. It's highly possible that someone would have specialized their training a bit.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: NightF0x
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Baron Holbach
Edited by: Baron Holbach on 19/12/2008 00:06:53
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
He's got 3.2mil in gunnery and if he only has small and med hybrids atm then I 'd say he's got support covered pretty well.
i got 10mill in gunnery and dont even have all support coverd yet
(just hybrids btw)
That's strange cause I've 5.8 mil, all supports are 4 or 5 and I've got hybrids to 5 up to large (specialize in rails also), Lasers up to large, and projectile up to med
There are a few skills in Gunnery that amount to more than 6m SP's. It's highly possible that someone would have specialized their training a bit.
Yeah the first thought that crossed my mind with Baron is that he's skilled in capital guns which I am not which would explain the difference there. After I made the post I went and checked out gunnery skills in the item database just to make sure I had all of the supports which it looks like I do.
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DarkEnemy
Gallente
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:09:00 -
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I have almost 7 million SP in gunnery and still don't have all the skills covered. large blaster spec, half way to large rail spec, and also some projectile skills for when I fly Minny ships. Another 1,300,000 SP and I will have all support skills to 5 but 3.2 mil is nothing in gunnery really.
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Baron Holbach
Pernicious Creed
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Yeah the first thought that crossed my mind with Baron is that he's skilled in capital guns which I am not which would explain the difference there. After I made the post I went and checked out gunnery skills in the item database just to make sure I had all of the supports which it looks like I do.
no capital turrets here at all.
and with t2 guns (spec's at 4) and maxed support skills you will end up with around 10.3 - 10.5mill sp in gunnery.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:16:00 -
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Go train them, I'm sure they'll be FOTM by the time you've got enough SP to be effective with them. If not, at least you'll have them trained and ready when they do become FOTM.
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Beowulf Scheafer
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Beowulf Scheafer on 19/12/2008 01:29:23
i like both a mega with blasters and a mega with hybrids. on the long term weapon upgrades 5 is needed, because otherwise neutrons are hard to fit. and in my oppinion only neutrons are worth using, but that might only be my 2 cent here...
PS: i have more than 15mil in gunnery, and it is the only section where i don't feel like i have wasted some of it.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Baron Holbach
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Yeah the first thought that crossed my mind with Baron is that he's skilled in capital guns which I am not which would explain the difference there. After I made the post I went and checked out gunnery skills in the item database just to make sure I had all of the supports which it looks like I do.
no capital turrets here at all.
and with t2 guns (spec's at 4) and maxed support skills you will end up with around 10.3 - 10.5mill sp in gunnery.
Now I'm confused. You do have 9 support skills trained up?
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BiggestT
Caldari
Resurrection
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.19 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Large Hybrids are fine guns. For the rails, you need to learn the range limitations.
The minimum range to hit Frigate class vessels: 55km (Hit them at this range, and there's a good chance of one volleying them)
The minimum range to hit Destroyer class vessels: 45km (Some one volley potential)
The minimum range to hit Cruiser class vessels: 30km
The minimum range to hit Battleship class vessels: 10km
Under 10km, they simply don't land any shots at all. Even on stationary targets, nothing will land.
What he said.
The good thing is you can quite easily get to about a 60km optimal with antimatter, so all these areas are covered with the highest dps ammo.
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Ticondrius
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.19 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ticondrius on 19/12/2008 03:15:53
I have 8.3 mil SP in gunnery and I have:
AWU V
Controlled Bursts V
Gunnery V
Motion Prediction V
Rapid Firing V
Sharpshooter V
Surgical Strike V
Trajectory Analysis IV (more than halfway to V, it's the long term skill atm..)
Weapon Upgrades V
And as for straight up guns...
All small weapons to IV
All mediums to II, except hybrids at V.
Large Hybrid Turrets V
All hybrid specs (blasters and railguns) to IV.
Capital Hybrid turrets IV
I want to finish off TA and Someday I might push out the other race's T1 skills to V to spec out...but I'm not too fussed.
Blasters PWN. And if you can fly a Rokh as a crosstrainer, 425mms on that thing are sick. 200km sniper? You can actually outrange the sentry guns in lowsec. It's crazy.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.19 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Heknai
Is it worth training for large hybrids? I have 21m sp with 3.2m in gunnery (only small/medium and only gallente guns)..I'd like to get up a sniping boat with a mega but, they do dismal damage compared to other races, and then all this I hear about large blasters can't hit anything under BC size. Would I be off not even bothering atm and train say, lasers, or train large hybrids in hopes of a buff down the road?
I've trained hybrids to the maximum: large blaster spec 5, all hybrid implants etc.
That being said, I'm training large energy turret to 5 at the moment. Do the math.
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Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.19 03:38:00 -
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I have Large Beam Spec 4. The restrictions are relative to Battleships. Due to the nature of accelaration gates and the way they position you in PvE a sniper fit is void value.
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The Djego
Minmatar
merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.12.19 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 19/12/2008 10:06:03
Originally by: Yakov Draken
Edited by: Yakov Draken on 18/12/2008 23:40:00
Originally by: Leviathan9
Gank megas are awesome at killing other bs's and bc's. 1.3k dps gank mega 4tw. But yeah, large hybrids are fine.
QFT
What happened to "the sky is falling - large blasters are finished!!" crowd. They used to be pretty vocal.
Got preaty much bored of this forums, at least I am.
Having targets slip away or making you miss them and loosing your break thrue DPS compleetly with the weaker Web sucks, especialy with a Blaster BS. Unfortunaly you have to fight something that is A not a moron(or have at least a number of frinds that cover this aspect) and B can actualy bit back without you have a gang for backup. In this scenarios Blasters are preaty much pointless now, but since most of the EvE players stay docked or will never engage under this conditions only a few realy recogniced.
For the general purpose shure, for feeding up multiple Targets and nuking even heavy active tanks on your own not any more, taking away the epicness from a close range ship/weapontype that was the first choice for do or die people, sadly. 
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Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Xori Ruscuv
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.19 11:01:00 -
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Hybrids are fine.
Lasers are just way way way better.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.19 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken
Edited by: Yakov Draken on 18/12/2008 23:40:00
Originally by: Leviathan9
Gank megas are awesome at killing other bs's and bc's. 1.3k dps gank mega 4tw. But yeah, large hybrids are fine.
QFT
What happened to "the sky is falling - large blasters are finished!!" crowd. They used to be pretty vocal.
They are busy training for lasers.
Gank megas are far from awsome for real combat. Only a favourite for eft warriors and those that gank soloplayers.
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Heknai
Gallente
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.12.19 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kainoss
What is failing to be said here is that you also need support skills. Make sure in the process of training. Things like Trajectory Analysis, Surgical Strike, Sharpshooter, Rapid Firing, Motion Prediction, and Controlled Bursts. Also Advanced Weapon Upgrades to 4 will help you with fitting issues. Just my 2 cents worth.
great point! I have all of those to skills to IV...great replies by all thanks for the helpful feedback!
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Kirtan Loor
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.12.19 13:16:00 -
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Mega has two very nice bonuses to hybrids and it wuld be a shame to let those bonuses go to waste. Sure it is possible to fit tach's on a mega and get the same DPS. But that's an energy hog and requires you to use ACR rigs or sacrifice low slots.....and even then your optimal will not be as high as rails. |
Death Merchant
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.12.20 04:36:00 -
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I'm almost maxed on hybrids.. Im currently training lasers. Lasers are better. End of.
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Sharkk
Caldari
Stinkys Clam Shack
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sharkk on 20/12/2008 06:30:27
It really depends on what ship you want fly as to what guns you should spec into.
That being said.....if your looking right now for a gunnery spec...
your best bet is energy turrets by far
I have 6.5 million in gunnery(hybrid)and the only place I have a dps advantage over other turrets
is sub 5 kms engagements and 150kms and above engagements
these represent the extremes of combat and is not entirely without benefit
However
from 5kms -> 150kms....Lazorz win..!
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BiggestT
Caldari
Resurrection
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.20 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sharkk
Edited by: Sharkk on 20/12/2008 06:30:27
It really depends on what ship you want fly as to what guns you should spec into.
That being said.....if your looking right now for a gunnery spec...
your best bet is energy turrets by far
I have 6.5 million in gunnery(hybrid)and the only place I have a dps advantage over other turrets
is sub 5 kms engagements and 150kms and above engagements
these represent the extremes of combat and is not entirely without benefit
However
from 5kms -> 150kms....Lazorz win..!
This is excactly the problem imo. As some1 said, hybrids are fine, but lasers are just so much better.
Im guessing their set for a nerf with the next big patch, at the moment they seem a little OP.
Hopefully they dont nerf the cruiser lasers though, they seem balanced to me.
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken
Edited by: Yakov Draken on 18/12/2008 23:40:00
Originally by: Leviathan9
Gank megas are awesome at killing other bs's and bc's. 1.3k dps gank mega 4tw. But yeah, large hybrids are fine.
QFT
What happened to "the sky is falling - large blasters are finished!!" crowd. They used to be pretty vocal.
Blaster's, especially mediums, aren't nearly as good as before but they are good. Large blasters I just shove on Null to make up for speed loss. Does gimp the dps though  If they are stupid enough to get to optimal can always swap to CN AM though.
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The Djego
Minmatar
merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Sharkk
Edited by: Sharkk on 20/12/2008 06:30:27
It really depends on what ship you want fly as to what guns you should spec into.
That being said.....if your looking right now for a gunnery spec...
your best bet is energy turrets by far
I have 6.5 million in gunnery(hybrid)and the only place I have a dps advantage over other turrets
is sub 5 kms engagements and 150kms and above engagements
these represent the extremes of combat and is not entirely without benefit
However
from 5kms -> 150kms....Lazorz win..!
This is excactly the problem imo. As some1 said, hybrids are fine, but lasers are just so much better.
Im guessing their set for a nerf with the next big patch, at the moment they seem a little OP.
Hopefully they dont nerf the cruiser lasers though, they seem balanced to me.
Personaly I didnŠt realy read that people that realy use Blasters want a Lasernerf(only in the battle Thread of Gumindong vs the Alts  ), nerfing Lasers wonŠt help Blasters in any way, itŠs just nerfing other stuff into oblivion to.
Even after a nerf the Blastership would still fail in many situations it was good before, and Lasers will be still better in bigger gangs(even with reduced Range\Tracking\DPS or whatever CCP would nerf).
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Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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mishkof
Caldari
Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.12.20 13:46:00 -
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10.1 mil here in gunnery. The only skill I dont have to 5 for large hybrid is both spec skills to 5. The 10.1 mil includes AWU 5, and trajectory analysis 5.
If you stick to one gun type 10.1-4 mil should be a 2% dmg bonus away from being perfect in the gunnery skill type for T2 large.
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Tom Sasaki
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Posted - 2008.12.20 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Sharkk
Edited by: Sharkk on 20/12/2008 06:30:27
It really depends on what ship you want fly as to what guns you should spec into.
That being said.....if your looking right now for a gunnery spec...
your best bet is energy turrets by far
I have 6.5 million in gunnery(hybrid)and the only place I have a dps advantage over other turrets
is sub 5 kms engagements and 150kms and above engagements
these represent the extremes of combat and is not entirely without benefit
However
from 5kms -> 150kms....Lazorz win..!
This is excactly the problem imo. As some1 said, hybrids are fine, but lasers are just so much better.
Im guessing their set for a nerf with the next big patch, at the moment they seem a little OP.
Hopefully they dont nerf the cruiser lasers though, they seem balanced to me.
Personaly I didnŠt realy read that people that realy use Blasters want a Lasernerf(only in the battle Thread of Gumindong vs the Alts ), nerfing Lasers wonŠt help Blasters in any way, itŠs just nerfing other stuff into oblivion to.
Even after a nerf the Blastership would still fail in many situations it was good before, and Lasers will be still better in bigger gangs(even with reduced Range\Tracking\DPS or whatever CCP would nerf).
Well if they tone down lasers missiles need to be put in line too as it is they are over the top these days.
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