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Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:10:00 - [1] CCP made new feature that lets people convert GTC into game item that can be traded on station markets. But for some odd reason, they went the extra step to make sure that people didn't undock with them. Why? To me this is just one more little factoid that shows how CCP is afraid to be hardcore, they want to make the game more soft and cudly just like WoW. There's absolutely nothing wrong with letting people risk transporting that stuff, and it would make piracy more worthwhile. All the hardcore game features were put in place by the original devs, 2003-2005, all the new features seem to either nerf the old hardcore elements or just standard mainstream stuff. This by itself isn't that important, but it is an example of a whole pattern of game changes. It frustrates me. Thanks for reading. Your time will not be reimbursed.
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:13:00 - [2] I'm sure the only reason I can still do that is cause that game feature was also implemented by the original devs, not these new WoW types but maybe the nerf is on their todo list
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:16:00 - [3] There's no legal issue, just as losing your ship with mods that costs 300 mil doesn't mean CCP owes you 15 dollars
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:19:00 - [4] Originally by: Terianna Eri Can you imagine the whines on the forum? "I got my ship blown up and now I'm out $200 in GTC" ? no different than any other gank of expensive ship. Using the current PLEX prices, there's more than 10,000 dollars worth of stuff destroyed every day
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:24:00 - [5] There can't be a legal issue with proper EULA statements. Entropia does it already, it's virtual economy is directly tied to real money
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:32:00 - [6] ok, can you explain how Entropia handles this from legal perspective? What can they do that EVE can't?
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:35:00 - [7] defensive buffs were necessary as ships got much more powerful. You could kill people a lot more easily back then than you can now. Now people have insta-warping covert ops transports, jump freighters, and jump bridges to avoid the risk of 0.0 travel.
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Stitcher Why the hell would anyone in their right mind WANT to put that kind of real-life value of money on the line? Plenty of people would, some because they are dumb, others because they are smart and know what they are doing. Your typical mothership pilot puts $1000 USD on the line in combat titan pilots can have $10,000 worth of stuff on the line
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 02:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ephemeron But for some odd reason, they went the extra step to make sure that people didn't undock with them. Because you can use them from anywhere in the galaxy, so theoretically you shouldn't have a real need to move them ah, well, that just shows yet another extra carebear design feature
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 02:05:00 - [10] Originally by: PeachesAndCream EVE isn't Entropia, and all virtual "assets" in this game are effectively 100% CCP property and not for sale. For that line of comparison to work, CCP would have to: begin selling virtual assets, establish a cash value on said assets, and protect consumers from scams. You used that "300mil=$15" analogy, and it fails completely because it violates the EULA to do such transactions, making your reference to it as a legitimizer for the proposed change completely hysterical. And unlike virtual assets being sold in crappy MMOs nobody's ever heard of, GTCs represent the purchase of a real life service. REAL. LIFE. SERVICE. Not a pixellated tutu for your cyber kitty. There is nothing virtual about it, even if the transaction takes place within the game environment. And arguably the forums were already a small part of the game environment to begin with. Besides, you can write what you want in an EULA, but EULAs are not a seriously upheld document in court, and it's almost certainly going to fail in a battle against consumer protection laws. So yes, its a legal issue. Your gameplay considerations are completely voided by that fact. I'm all for griefing carebears and kicking babies in the face, but this is just plain stupid. Ok that explains some things, but I'm still skeptical that there is no legal way for CCP to protect itself from lawsuit over a lost game item. Legal system can't be that ridiculous. There is a point, that consumer willingly has to cross, that he assumes personal responsibility for his actions. You can't simply blame everyone but yourself for every bad thing that happens to you. Are there any real lawyers here who'd be interested in examining this possibility?
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 03:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Mika Meroko CCP have offices in the USA...and China... both countries have cases of dispute against the EULA where the EULA lost... That aside, PLEX have RL value.... all other items in game do not... All EVE game items have real life value, which can be relatively accurately measured in US dollars. The EULA tries to assert there there is no real value, but as many point out, EULA isn't taken very seriously in real life. The fact that isk sellers operate and illegally against EULA doesn't make them illegal against real law. And the fact that they do operate, proves without doubt that game items have real value
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 03:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Abrazzar It is irrelevant whether or not items in EVE have a RL value. They are all owned by CCP. A GTC however is owned by the player until cashed in. And there is the judicial difference. The player always gets his GTC. But once it is in the hands of the player, CCP's responsibility is over. Now whatever the player does with it is his own responsibility. If he loses it - tough luck
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 04:27:00 - [13] yes, I want to pop carebear and get PLEX code. What's wrong with that, seriously? CCP should allow that to happen, game is a sand box. If some carebear wants me to have it, it's his choice, CCP should not make that choice for him
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 05:10:00 - [14] Alright, so explain to me why is it perfectly legal for scammers in Jita to spam WTB contracts with 4 mil isk prices. When somebody thru simple stupidity accepts that contract, PLEX code is transferred and the original owner loses his real money. So far nobody complained about that. Isn't it same thing as transporting PLEX code, then by simple stupidity, losing the ship to another player who takes your PLEX code? In both cases, owner loses PLEX code, somebody else gets it.
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.21 06:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Mika Meroko Said girl scout came at knife point, tied you up to the bed, walk away with your 100 dollar bill and ate the cookies herself. Why was the girl scout in your bedroom? I think there's more to that story he's not telling

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