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FireT
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Posted - 2008.12.23 01:49:00 -
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I am fairly new to Eve and have never gone into combat in low sec. Mainly with my corp having a war and such things. But I am curious. The idea of low sec and 0.0 is based around the idea that there aren't cops around and you get to fight over territory. A corpy told me that through ganking/killing people in those sectors you lose your standing.... but I really don't get it. How the hell should it be possible for you to actually lose your standing with noone being around. And note that I mean by noone anyone that could actually witness it. To me killing someone in low sec is like killing someone in the middle of the Sahara desert. And yes the analogy is rather perfect: In both cases it is you and your target being in the middle of nowhere, with no real civilization to be found. And if you kill someone in the Sahara you could loot your body and easily walk a way. And within an hour the body would be covered by desert sands. And in both cases it isn't like you go to civilization, grab a radio and suddenly broadcast your kills.... in which case you definitely should lose your standing.
So how does CCP justify this? Wouldn't it be easier to actually give players the choice of free fighting without the status lose?
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Commander Yassir
The Seven Sins
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Posted - 2008.12.23 01:59:00 -
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I didn't actually bother to read your post but first off 0.0 doesn't. If the title is that wrong I am not going to bother. (I will assume your a troll then) The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:33:00 -
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No.
0.0 is like the sahara desert. Lowsec is still Empire space. CONCORD (which is not a part of the four main empires) does not patrol there, allowing pod pilots to pew each other..but that doesn't mean no one knows that you did. A ship is not a person. A ship has powerful, futuristic communication technology and a lot of fancy electronics. If you're in the middle of space and get shot at, it's very easy to publicize it.
One of the EVE Chronicles details exactly how the backstory handles this...but basically CONCORD watches lowsec even if they don't respond in it.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 23/12/2008 02:33:58 Low Sec is still monitored by Empire entities, but they don't actively patrol it. They know when you're naughty in their space and adjust standings accordingly. Nullsec is the property of pirate entities and powerful player alliances, and isn't watched by the Empires. As a result you can do what you want there and at worst you'll acquire the enmity of the local player population, but not NPC entities like CONCORD.
edit for time paradox with Kahega
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Jared D'Uroth
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Posted - 2008.12.23 06:53:00 -
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Low-sec is the dark part of the city where pizza men won't deliver.
0.0 is the new frontier, or as mentioned, the Sahara.
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Soporo
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.23 20:37:00 -
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You can raise as much hell as you want, or more accurately as much as you can get away with, in 0.0 and not lose a bit of security status, as has been said.
There are wads of foaming at the mouth, rabid pvpers in nosec who have a 5.0 sec status for instance.
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Ulfskein Gangr
Caldari Vile Rune Guild
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Posted - 2008.12.27 11:11:00 -
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The real question is, how can it be justified that by ratting in 0.0 space your sec clearance (i.e.: your standings with CONCORD) is improved... when it is patently obvious that CONCORD upholds absolutely no jurisdiction in the "lawless" regions?
The way I see it, there is no logical reason why CONCORD would reward/reprieve pilots who are factory farming in the regions in which they were more or less banished to. I understand needing to have some option available to pilots who have fallen afoul of the law to reprieve themselves, but being rewarded in both bounty and standings in an area where CONCORD otherwise holds neither interest nor power in simply makes no sense.
*clink clink*
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.27 15:23:00 -
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Quote: There are wads of foaming at the mouth, rabid pvpers in nosec who have a 5.0 sec status for instance.
D -------------------------- NOTR *nsfw* |
FatFreddy
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Posted - 2009.01.04 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: FatFreddy on 04/01/2009 11:21:48 Edited by: FatFreddy on 04/01/2009 11:21:39
Originally by: Ulfskein Gangr
The way I see it, there is no logical reason why CONCORD would reward/reprieve pilots who are factory farming in the regions in which they were more or less banished to.*
Getting your sec status up to be able to enter empire again. Otherwise, you'd be closed off this part of the game forever after going below -5
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Laina Delapore
Caldari Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.04 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Laina Delapore on 04/01/2009 13:17:02
Originally by: Ulfskein Gangr The real question is, how can it be justified that by ratting in 0.0 space your sec clearance (i.e.: your standings with CONCORD) is improved... when it is patently obvious that CONCORD upholds absolutely no jurisdiction in the "lawless" regions?
...but being rewarded in both bounty and standings in an area where CONCORD otherwise holds neither interest nor power in simply makes no sense.
It makes sense for CONCORD to give out bounties on nullsec rats for the same reason it makes sense for CONCORD to give out bounties on ANY rats. The bounty is paid on any pirate, anywhere. It's what they are that makes them have a bounty, not where.
Both the NPC bounty and the gain in security status work on the same principle as any bounty hunter or privateer system through history or fiction. From CONCORD's perspective - if a player pirate is spending his time blowing up 'law-breakers' then obviously, he's spending less time blowing up 'legitimate shipping'. CONCORD bureaucracy could care less that the actual motivation is ISK/Empire access for some much needed re-fitting. Well...ok, maybe some of CONCORD's directorate and DED fret/grumble about the sense of the system, but it's in place and functions so why would they change it?
And it takes a fair amount of 0.0 ratting to get your sec status back up from -10.0 to positive levels, I'm told. So it's not like CONCORD regards you as an upstanding citizen - just as a slightly less grubby piece of lawless slime than before.
Edit: omg, it filters 's c u m' beceause it has 'the letters, m, u and c, in the reverse order?
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Dun Bynar
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.04 13:56:00 -
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play the game a bit, and get advice / info from people who have. 0.0 is where you can quickly return ur sec to a satisfactory lvl..low sec is where you lose it. Those that know something is wrong and have the ability to change it, have an obligation to do so. |
Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.01.04 23:31:00 -
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Fail. Combat in 0.0 does not reduce security rating. Check your facts before you go on a rant.
You lose standing in low sec because it is still "secure space," as in you are not supposed kill people. Just cause it's LOW security, doesn't mean there is NO security. All that means is that CONCORD won't pop your ass. There are still gate guns at stargates and stations that will shoot you if you aggress someone without justification.
It's like if you went into the ghetto and shot someone. The cops aren't around, so you aren't going to get arrested on the spot, but you still broke the law and if they know who you are they will put out a warrant for you.
0.0 is the only space that is truly lawless. ----------------------------------------------------
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