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Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:42:00 -
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Hey CCP
On your Wiki, and linked from the new launcher (On Mac clients at least) listed top and prominently is this link:
Called: Player Organizations Helpful corps in game
Which leads here:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Educational_organizations
Listed on this page are Goonswarm.
Now, I love Goons for what they add to the drama that is EvE. Can't wait for Jita to kick off shortly! But I am pretty sure, they are NOT the place to send brand new players looking to learn EvE. What they will learn, is how to be scammed, shot, laughed at, mocked etc.
This is official goon policy. Indeed to quote Goon's themselves on their own wiki:
GoonWaffe is NOT a publicly recruiting corporation. We are all members of the Something Awful forums, or well-known friends of someone who is a member. To join GoonWaffe you MUST either be a member of the Something Awful forums and have been an active member for at least 3 months, or you must have a sponsor who is a GoonWaffe member of good standing who is willing to vouch for you, meets the above requirement, and has been a member of GoonWaffe for 30 days. If you do not meet the above requirements then you can not join.
Can we please have Goonswarm removed from this wiki page, so that maybe you get more people playing EvE past trial :)
Thanks
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ElQuirko
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:45:00 -
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I'm too drunk to read that, so I'ma say yes.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
freebree
0ne Percent. Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:46:00 -
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haha,
Greetings new players.
To get started and up to speed, buy a plex and pay the subscription fee of 500mill ISK. Then contract all your ships to Goonswarm so we can transport them safely to 0.0
Best regards, Goonswarm |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:48:00 -
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Moonaura wrote:Helpful corps in game
Very helpful. They teach new players not to trust anyone, to double check everything, to watch what is happening around them and that EVE is a place where player characters can do some really, really nasty things.
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
570
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:51:00 -
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You have to be kidding me. Now you know why we keep computer programmers locked in the basement with no sharp objects. Advise new players to learn from the Goons. Why don't they just say, "Sell all your gear and give all your money to the first Goon you see"? I've heard dumb things before, but this one soars to the top five. Let a Goon teach you.
Let John Wayne Gacy babysit for you.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:51:00 -
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there is a line: "As mentioned before, however, recruitment is only open no questions asked to new pilots who are SomethingAwful members: existing pilots need to find a sponsor who will vouch for them."
try read harder |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
570
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:55:00 -
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Aubrey Addams wrote:there is a line: "As mentioned before, however, recruitment is only open no questions asked to new pilots who are SomethingAwful members: existing pilots need to find a sponsor who will vouch for them." try read harder I know...you just got offa da boat.
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Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
136
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:57:00 -
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Aubrey Addams wrote:there is a line: "As mentioned before, however, recruitment is only open no questions asked to new pilots who are SomethingAwful members: existing pilots need to find a sponsor who will vouch for them." try read harder
You mean just below this bit...
Join Goonswarm today: learn how to survive and thrive in 0.0, even if you are a day-old newbie or a years-old player who has never ventured out of highsec. You will, of course, die a lot. It's part of learning 0.0. Goonswarm's vast newbie support system and ship reimbursement however will ensure this is a learning experience
LOL I love the fact Goons have hijacked the wiki like this. I'm sure there will be many laughs had.
UPDATE:
Aubrey Addams wrote:there is a line: "As mentioned before, however, recruitment is only open no questions asked to new pilots who are SomethingAwful members: existing pilots need to find a sponsor who will vouch for them." try read harder
By the way, by 'find a sponsor' what this means is... find somebody who will enjoy scamming you. ;-) Caldari focused fleet PvP
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Valtis Thermalion
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:11:00 -
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Moonaura wrote:By the way, by 'find a sponsor' what this means is... find somebody who will enjoy scamming you. ;-)
Sponsorship is meant for people who have (real life) friends who are members of Goonswarm, want to join Goonswarm but are not members of Something Awful themselves. If they screw up, both they and the sponsor gets booted. That's why you don't get randomly sponsored in and why all random sponsor offers are scams.
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Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:12:00 -
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Moonaura wrote: What they will learn, is how to be scammed, shot, laughed at, mocked etc.
These are actually very valuable lessons in EVE. Ofc if you want to avoid this happening with you in future.
After training session with goon recruiters you will learn to be careful and not to trust people easily. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:12:00 -
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Moonaura wrote:What they will learn, is how NOT to be scammed, shot, laughed at, mocked etc.
FYP, [tongue in cheek] welcome to Eve [/tongue in cheek]
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:13:00 -
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i dont really understand your problem. lets pretend im a newbie, so i just typed "join goonswarm" in google, and tada, https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe . read the first red text. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:18:00 -
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Moonaura wrote: [quote=Aubrey Addams By the way, by 'find a sponsor' what this means is... find somebody who will enjoy scamming you. ;-)
Actually you can get accepted to GS faster if you have a sponsor, look at their official recruitment page.
But yes, they will scam you if you don't follow the official procedure, of which a step by step guide is laid out extremely clearly in their wiki. I can see why they wouldn't want any members who were this gullible/ignorant. |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:21:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Moonaura wrote: [quote=Aubrey Addams By the way, by 'find a sponsor' what this means is... find somebody who will enjoy scamming you. ;-)
Actually you can get accepted to GS faster if you have a sponsor, look at their official recruitment page. But yes, they will scam you if you don't follow the official procedure, of which a step by step guide is laid out extremely clearly in their wiki. I can see why they wouldn't want any members who were this gullible/ignorant.
[quote=Aubrey Addams By the way, by 'find a sponsor' what this means is... find somebody who will enjoy scamming you. ;-)[/quote]
thats not my quote. |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:23:00 -
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Moonaura wrote:http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Educational_organizations
take the initiative yourself |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:25:00 -
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People who join this game aren't all aware of the fact that a large part of your survival depends on metagaming and outgame research. So by making a false claim by CCP as GSF being a good source to learn the game without emphasising the whole thing one could also claim that CCP is running part of GSF's recruitement scams and thus diminishing other people's gamingexperience to boost other people's ingame income.
Interesting thing for Internal Affairs to look at.
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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:28:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:People who join this game aren't all aware of the fact that a large part of your survival depends on metagaming and outgame research. So by making a false claim by CCP as GSF being a good source to learn the game without emphasising the whole thing one could also claim that CCP is running part of GSF's recruitement scams and thus diminishing other people's gamingexperience to boost other people's ingame income. Interesting thing for Internal Affairs to look at.
This game is not for everyone. If it would be for everyone, it's name would be World Of Spaceships, but this is actually EVE-Online, isn't it? |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:32:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Interesting thing for Internal Affairs to look at.
yeah, it would be
if the plug was made by CCP (hint: it wasn't) |
Cpt Greagor
Liquid Relief
287
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:33:00 -
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Lol....goonswarm. |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:36:00 -
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did you know that it's a wiki that any eve subscriber can edit? |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
259
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:40:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Interesting thing for Internal Affairs to look at. yeah, it would be if the plug was made by CCP (hint: it wasn't)
Let me point out the interesting part then my limited friend.
Moonaura wrote:
On your Wiki, and linked from the new launcher (On Mac clients at least) listed top and prominently is this link:
See the VERY highlighted part?
They don't need to be the ones making the plug. The pointing towards it already enough.
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Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:40:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:People who join this game aren't all aware of the fact that a large part of your survival depends on metagaming and outgame research. So by making a false claim by CCP as GSF being a good source to learn the game without emphasising the whole thing one could also claim that CCP is running part of GSF's recruitement scams and thus diminishing other people's gamingexperience to boost other people's ingame income. Interesting thing for Internal Affairs to look at. it's not a "false claim" - goonswarm is an excellent place to learn the game for people who match their recruitment requirements.
Goonswarm has an excellent knowledge base available to all members (their wiki), they have a support structure for newbies with skillplans, free ships/skillbooks and advice on income generation, they offer full reimbursements for pvp ships (which helps new players a lot), they happily accept and train players from their first day in EVE, from time to time they run fleets/classes specifically aimed at newbies, ...
Also there is more than one corp in GSF - if you are Russian or French (or German, from the Netherlands, ...) or drawn towards WIDOT for some inexplicable reason you might find that you can join GSF without having ever seem that SomethingAwful.com website. |
adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
386
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:52:00 -
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All of you pubbies have never seen the goonwiki so your opinion is invalid. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
259
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:53:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:it's not a "false claim" - goonswarm is an excellent place to learn the game for people who match their recruitment requirements.
In almost all cases it is a false claim because being hinted towards a corporation or alliance by CCP without the extra information that going there requires a strict out of game recruitement policy they are showing a tainted prejudice.
Nowhere do they have a hint towards the fact that new players have to do a lot of research out of the game, yet they point them towards the largest entity which relies for a big part on out of game platforms and actions.
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Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
136
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:55:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:People who join this game aren't all aware of the fact that a large part of your survival depends on metagaming and outgame research. So by making a false claim by CCP as GSF being a good source to learn the game without emphasising the whole thing one could also claim that CCP is running part of GSF's recruitement scams and thus diminishing other people's gamingexperience to boost other people's ingame income. Interesting thing for Internal Affairs to look at. it's not a "false claim" - goonswarm is an excellent place to learn the game for people who match their recruitment requirements. Goonswarm has an excellent knowledge base available to all members (their wiki), they have a support structure for newbies with skillplans, free ships/skillbooks and advice on income generation, they offer full reimbursements for pvp ships (which helps new players a lot), they happily accept and train players from their first day in EVE, from time to time they run fleets/classes specifically aimed at newbies, ... Also there is more than one corp in GSF - if you are Russian or French (or German, from the Netherlands, ...) or drawn towards WIDOT for some inexplicable reason you might find that you can join GSF without having ever set eyes on that mysterious SomethingAwful.com website.
I agree. I think Goons are a great place to learn... if you get in properly. And as stated earlier, I think they are a great aspect of EvE, bring on all the drama I say.
Either way, it's fun to have created a forum monster. Let the trolling commence.
And as for being scammed as being a great way to HTFU and cut out the WOW crowd, yeah fair enough, but maybe not in the first week of playing perhaps; you know - let people actually realise there is fun to be had first before we pummel them.
I like the fact EvE is harsh, but honestly, I'd like to login and see 100,000 people online in EvE - that is way more people for me to shoot! And that is where stuff like EvE university comes in. For me, more activity = more fun, and that goes for Goons as well. If nobody ever fights them, they will get bored. It's happened before. So yeah, all MMO's need new blood. Thats the way it works.
Do I think it's funny that Goons posted on this wiki: Hell yeah. Bless em. We'd all be more bored without them in EvE. Caldari focused fleet PvP
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
995
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:56:00 -
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Another Prencleeve alt posting crap.
0/10 |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:57:00 -
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Moonaura wrote:What they will learn, is how to be scammed, shot, laughed at, mocked etc.
Failing to see how that isn't learning about eve, it's a damn sight better than the millions of "mining corps" with their "oh, you can't pvp untill you have lvl 5 in X Y Z" |
Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:59:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Moonaura wrote:What they will learn, is how to be scammed, shot, laughed at, mocked etc. Failing to see how that isn't learning about eve, it's a damn sight better than the millions of "mining corps" with their "oh, you can't pvp untill you have lvl 5 in X Y Z"
Haha, true enough. Mining *shudders*. Caldari focused fleet PvP
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
58
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:01:00 -
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You do realise they have a high intake of new players? The only way to get in without being sponsored is to be a member of SA. But they still take in a load of new players from that community and teach them how to play.
So yea, they are good for new players, given certain requirements clearly available for all to see. Goons don't scam noobs, simply because they don't have a enough isk and that would be a waste. If the new player goes out and buys a plex for it, without even doing the slightest amount of background work then we're seeing natural selection in action. What's the problem here? |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:08:00 -
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I bet Goonswarm makes for a great learning experience. Thumbs up! |
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