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Thimerion
shadow and flame Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:29:00 -
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Isn't it about time that CCP accepted that renaming a contract and posting it in local is an exploit of game mechanics? I am curentlly sat in jits reading local and pretty much every other contract linked there is a scam. For example: 3 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes on contract for 45m The Contcat would normally read "Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane" but is renamed to "Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane x 3" This is pretty obviouslly exploiting the ability to rename contracts once linked and should be a banable offence. CCP what do you think?
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Xanar Gurista
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Xanar Gurista on 26/12/2008 12:41:10 i think you need to learn how to read what you buy and stop buying things while drunk. people like you are targeted market group.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente El Bastardos Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2008.12.26 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 26/12/2008 13:29:31
Originally by: Xanar Gurista Edited by: Xanar Gurista on 26/12/2008 12:41:10 i think you need to learn how to read what you buy and stop buying things while drunk. people like you are targeted market group.
Pretty much this. If you got scammed, your own fault. Same goes for anyone to be honest.
Edit: Scams aren't an exploit (nor is renaming the contracts etc), it's working as intended, Welcome to the "dark, harsh" aspect of EVE. You get scammed? tough ****.
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Thimerion
shadow and flame Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.26 13:44:00 -
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The amusing thing little trolls is this: I haven't been scammed by these tricks ever, I just know people who have and think that exploiting the game mechanic allowing the renaming of contracts eeds fixing or CCP needs to recognise it as an exploit.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente El Bastardos Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thimerion The amusing thing little trolls is this: I haven't been scammed by these tricks ever, I just know people who have and think that exploiting the game mechanic allowing the renaming of contracts eeds fixing or CCP needs to recognise it as an exploit.
Yet again, it isn't an exploit. It's a legitimate tactic for a scammer.
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Gridwalker
Amarr Divine Power.
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Posted - 2008.12.26 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Thimerion Isn't it about time that CCP accepted that renaming a contract and posting it in local is an exploit of game mechanics?
Isn't it about time that you accepted it isn't?
If there was no way a player could verify the actual contents of the contract, that would be one thing. But it is easy to check, and you don't even need to do anything weird or obscure to figure out it is a scam. Just... read the contract!
A fool and their money are soon departed. I don't trust everything people tell me in real life, either.
-Grid
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Sinner aint'no'Saint
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.27 03:00:00 -
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I agree. It may not NEED to be addressed but I agree that it SHOULD be. I've never been scammed by it, and I don't know anyone who has. But seeing as Jita is our main shopping system, it just looks trashy. Especially since that's one of the main fronts our newer players are going to be exposed too. People who have been playing for more than two weeks care about that. We choose to play EvE because it doesnt look or play like WoW or other pre-teeny games. All we are asking is that you can't modify links to trade contracts, not asking to make scamming petitionable. Clean up the appearance is all.
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Xailz
Godless Horizon.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 03:53:00 -
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IMO, only thing that needs to be different about Contract scams is the PLEX ones, it's all well and good removing some guys ISK from him, but removing his RL money directly? that's another thing entirely.
As for what you're talking about i think it is fine, however i kinda see where you are coming from, EVE comes with a good balance of Gameplay V.s. Roleplay, what is balanced and what is logical, if you was to buy a piece of art in reality you can be scammed and buy a fake, same applies here tbh, misrepresentation.
Xailz ------ I came, i saw, i posted **** ITT.
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Sinner aint'no'Saint
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.27 07:44:00 -
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in real life you can press charges and if you can prove it.. the person will go to jail for a really long time. So if you want to stick to your story... Im game. If the said person gets caught and PROVEN to be scamming by CCPs records they go to jail...
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 11:24:00 -
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There is no issue with scamming really, good game mechanic imo.
What is kinda annoying tho is the amount of spam in jita local, when I started playing I remember most contracts in local where legit, with the occasional scam in between.
Nowadays it is almost 100% scam contracts spammed to local, and even horribly uncreative ones.
I'd even suspect most of these people use macros to spam their contracts, I cant honestly imagine someone wasting their playtime with such bad scam attempts...
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.27 11:40:00 -
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1. open contracts 1. sort by price 3. enter thing you want in search 4. profit
scams wont be listed, onlly that want to buy for 1000x less.
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.27 11:49:00 -
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read contract, when ccp moved from the old escrow system to contracts they specifically stated in a dev blog that they were leavinv this avenue open to encourage scammers being the ebil programmers they are. Why dont u try a petition and see if u get a response, ccp encourages ingame scamming no matter how erm annoyed we may get. Learn to check youre contracts first.
CCP thoughts are likley to be - we made it that way so it oculd happen EOS
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Xailz
Godless Horizon.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sinner aint'no'Saint in real life you can press charges and if you can prove it.. the person will go to jail for a really long time. So if you want to stick to your story... Im game. If the said person gets caught and PROVEN to be scamming by CCPs records they go to jail...
That is where, as i stated Gameplay comes in and stops that from happening, as i said it is a balance of the two.
Think before you post something so stupid.
Xailz ------ I came, i saw, i posted **** ITT.
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Rodamus Zero
Gallente Shaolin Legacy
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Posted - 2008.12.28 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Thimerion Isn't it about time that CCP accepted that renaming a contract and posting it in local is an exploit of game mechanics? I am curentlly sat in jits reading local and pretty much every other contract linked there is a scam. For example: 3 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes on contract for 45m The Contcat would normally read "Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane" but is renamed to "Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane x 3" This is pretty obviouslly exploiting the ability to rename contracts once linked and should be a banable offence. CCP what do you think?
Welcome to the sandbox of Eve, that also includes Scamming. If it is not in the EULA is perfectly acceptable to do (subject to change of course).
For those that remember the Escrow system, Contracts is pretty much a "prettier" version with some added addition, like Linking and Renaming of things. Escrow did the same thing but was limited to just the Escrow window. Contracts expanded it to the chat windows and Eve Mails.
Also, Read the fine print. -
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Heavy Mellow
Amarr Salmon of Doubt
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Posted - 2008.12.28 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Heavy Mellow on 28/12/2008 11:06:19 Within the context of the game it makes no sense that this is allowed to continue. Where is CONCORD? Shouldn't there be an investigative unit? Ever heard of fraud prevention? Where's the punishment? The only punishment is for the occasional player who mistakenly thinks that a contract posted in Jita local might possibly not be a scam and hastily clicks "Accept." Yeah, IRL the cops will still tell you "your money is gone, sorry," as you are told in EVE. But they'd then also chase the con artist out of the country or throw his ass in jail, issue public service announcements for people to be wary, etc, etc.
Where is this? Why are scam contracts tolerated? Why aren't the security units doing their job and protecting the public?
Hell, IRL you can hire a private detective to find out where the guy lives then go burn his house down. Eve offers you no such ability.. that guy is docked in Jita 4-4 for life. -- Hello, I am Heavy Mellow. |
Rodamus Zero
Gallente Shaolin Legacy
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Posted - 2008.12.28 17:22:00 -
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We are Pod Pilots, the Elite of the Elite. Concord are mere humans
Pod Pilots earn in a few hours what the whole of Concord would earn in the year. That maybe be an exageration, though needless to say Concord is not going to get involved in things that they can not handle. After all, Contracts is the Pod Pilots market, while SCC (Secure Commerce Commision) is the regulating body of the standard market.
Then again, Concord is to ensure the well being of harmony between the Empire factions, not Pod Pilots. -
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:08:00 -
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Scamming is all good and fine, I believe this gives a game flavour, the only issue with it in EvE is there are no repercussions. The Scammer gets all the goodies and doesn't risk anything. That to me means the game is sloppy, its unbalanced and honestly, if CCP can't figure a way to make Scammers have a RISK, yes a RISK to that possible REWARD. RISK v's REWARD. Hrm... Then they shouldn't allow Scamming at all.
If we want a sandbox game, then give scammers and thief's the chance of getting caught and prosecuted by in game police.
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Heavy Mellow
Amarr Salmon of Doubt
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Posted - 2008.12.28 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks If we want a sandbox game, then give scammers and thief's the chance of getting caught and prosecuted by in game police.
Signed! -- Hello, I am Heavy Mellow. |
Zxepa
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Posted - 2008.12.29 07:03:00 -
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I like how nobody gives a care to miners getting their cans flipped all the time and can't do a **** about it. Sure, theres an aggression timer for the victims but lets be completely honest...if i'm mining in the first place how in the hell - nevermind, you get the idea.
These people lose more isk hourly then you ever will and all you have to do, to prevent it - is read the fine print that says "400m" as opposed to 400k.
So imo, there are many types of scams but can flipping is most definately a disadvantage entirely to the casual carebear...i think you just need to get your eyes examined.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.29 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 29/12/2008 07:23:45 Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 29/12/2008 07:20:57
Originally by: Thimerion Isn't it about time that CCP accepted that renaming a contract and posting it in local is an exploit of game mechanics? I am curentlly sat in jits reading local and pretty much every other contract linked there is a scam. For example: 3 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes on contract for 45m The Contcat would normally read "Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane" but is renamed to "Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane x 3" This is pretty obviouslly exploiting the ability to rename contracts once linked and should be a banable offence. CCP what do you think?
Figured this has to come from the man who is in the alliance that buys outpost systems in Fountain. If you don't have the eye to check the ****ing contract AFTER you've clicked on it, good job. You fail.
Originally by: Heavy Mellow
Originally by: Nian Banks If we want a sandbox game, then give scammers and thief's the chance of getting caught and prosecuted by in game police.
Signed!
Yep, that's the definition of sandbox alright. Having non-player characters step in even more. CONCORD is only there to punish your ship: I could set contracts on an docked alt, or fly to the systems in my pod, which CONCORD cannot aggress.
Originally by: Zxepa I like how nobody gives a care to miners getting their cans flipped all the time and can't do a **** about it. Sure, theres an aggression timer for the victims but lets be completely honest...if i'm mining in the first place how in the hell - nevermind, you get the idea.
These people lose more isk hourly then you ever will and all you have to do, to prevent it - is read the fine print that says "400m" as opposed to 400k.
So imo, there are many types of scams but can flipping is most definately a disadvantage entirely to the casual carebear...i think you just need to get your eyes examined.
A jettisoned can is not yours. If you want a safe can, buy a giant secure container and anchor it where you mine. When you jettison your loot, you agree on the fact that it may be stolen or taken away. I don't even agree with the agression timer when you take from another man's can or wreck.
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Sinner aint'no'Saint
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.29 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sinner aint''no''Saint on 29/12/2008 07:57:56
Originally by: Xailz
Originally by: Sinner aint'no'Saint in real life you can press charges and if you can prove it.. the person will go to jail for a really long time. So if you want to stick to your story... Im game. If the said person gets caught and PROVEN to be scamming by CCPs records they go to jail...
That is where, as i stated Gameplay comes in and stops that from happening, as i said it is a balance of the two.
Think before you post something so stupid.
Xailz
stupid? I was merely carrying your analogy through to completion. You speak of balance and yet you haven't suggested anything to create such a balance. I don't agree with having a third entity come into the equation, just suggesting that game mechanics be fixed so that if your going to scam... you at least have to put some energy into it. I dont agree in punishment for taking advantage of laziness. Im not anti-scamming. I support it and believe there is a place for it. HOWEVER, what we see in Jita isn't truly scamming... its just sloppy abuse of game mechanics. Too many people will see a link to a contract and assume that it's legit, perhaps not knowing that it can be altered.
and please don't resort to calling people stupid... you've barely been around for a year and could risk earning yourself a reputation as an arrogant *******.
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SkyWARN
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Posted - 2008.12.29 09:38:00 -
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Scamming anger, hmm did you buy the mammoth in Dek i had on market for 1B vs. 1M.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.29 10:40:00 -
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if you ******ed enough to buy the Magnetic Field Stab I BPO for 14 billion isk.... well when u handle that kind of money you should be quadruple checking and asking your cat for a sanity check. If you just wasted 50 mil on a CN BCU that was a T1 BCU, well yet again, ur stupid.
Contracts -> Available Contracts Tab -> click shoe more options ->[ item type (exact) ]<-
put exactly what ur looking for and it'll only return contracts with that item in them.. then double check the prices to make sure ur not getting scammed... if you click on a contract in local, slap yourself, then if you still look at it, slap yourself, then if you've looked at it a second time, and double check everything.... slap yourself.
IF (contract = legitimate) THEN Buy ELSE Slap Yourself
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.12.30 16:15:00 -
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Things like this will never be a bannable offense because they would take way way way too much GM time to police and such bans would be against the spirit of the game.
You could ask that contracts not be able to be renamed, but that's as far as you could realistically go.
It by the way isn't an exploit to game mechanics as it quite clearly says the name of the item before you hand over any isk, you just have to read. If you could change the actual item type in the contract so it was impossible to tell, then that would be an exploit.
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Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind
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Posted - 2008.12.30 16:21:00 -
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The real Thimerion would never have posted this. He knows how to read contracts. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
xVx dreadnaught
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Posted - 2008.12.31 12:52:00 -
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Ok I understand everyone needs a tactic to get rich in EVE some its NPC, some its extorting and piracy, for others its agent whoring. It just so happens that these people make money off of the gullable twits daft enough to fall for there scamms. One thing I do however have issue wih is the spamming od WTS in a local channel.
It's understandable that your wanting people to purchase your wares and having people moving through the system makes it a worthy place for said daft spam.
But surely CCP could add a bulletin board idea? Where you rent a slot on a neon sign by a certain gate with your message appearing every minute or so (Where it will havegod impact on travelers but not on people who like to do other things in the area)
Honestly my Ignore list is getting too bloody long. and all these spammers are harshing my buzz!
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Inara Subaka
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.01.01 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sinner aint'no'Saint in real life you can press charges and if you can prove it.. the person will go to jail for a really long time. So if you want to stick to your story... Im game. If the said person gets caught and PROVEN to be scamming by CCPs records they go to jail...
You do realize that the laws of the future are more than likely VERY different than they are now?
I mean, let's just look at some of the basic game mechanics... can flipping would be called by some stealing (though it's technically just "picking up the trash left by other players"), or wardecs. Can you imagine if corporations today were to go to their governments and say "Hey, they are cutting into my profit margins, I'm going to hire this merc corp to kill them and allow me to make more cash."
Different legal system altogether...
Oh, and the obligatory "Read the F***ing contract" comment.
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Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.01 17:35:00 -
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This should be fixed. Scamming is one thing but plugging this hole would cut down on spam in Jita local.
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rgreat
Gallente OEG GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.01 18:56:00 -
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Was scammed once...i was drunk.
It was fun. And i bragged about if to my corpmates... :)
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.01 20:47:00 -
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I was scammed once in real life. Someone came up to me on the street and asked if I wanted to buy a 10kg lump of gold for ú100, while holding a potato. I gave him ú100 and he gave me the potato. I called the police and they said it was my fault. WTF CCP!!!
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