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Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:37:00 -
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I ganked a mackinkaw, I docked up and got into a new ship and when I undocked i was told i can't warp until a 15 minute timer is up? This must be a new feature, is there any way to do a gank in hi-sec more than once every 15 minutes? What happens if you use an orca to jetison the ships and you jump into them while still global flagged to concord, you will be unable to warp again?
What about using an orca and jumping into the destroyer in the belt right next to your target whilst global flagged, will that work? lol |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
174
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:46:00 -
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The carebears won. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:48:00 -
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Parking an orca next to your gank targets then warping in the ganker and jumping into the destroyer next to the target, will that work? No need to warp, you enter the ship next to the target. Or is there something i am missing? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
543
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Posted - 2012.04.14 01:25:00 -
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You need to give credit where it is due.
*holds up a picture, then gives one thumb*
This guy!
So remember to send this dude a thank you email, before he sets his CSPA charge higher. Thanks to him, you can now only gank 4 times an hour. |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.14 01:40:00 -
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Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters.
Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.04.14 01:58:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? Don't know, but just confirmed what you said in OP. Its a limit to how often you can gank, so pick your targets for value instead of lulz. You are not intended to run rampant and gank as many as possible in the shortest time span...which I belive will just push Hulkageddon into overtime!
And ganking itself nevered changed, its just more risky for you. ^^ incase thread turns into bunch of whiners complaining CCP is out to protect carebears....its to just reduce the collateral damage that you (the players!) can cause not out right stop it! |
Helios Black
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:13:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore?
So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset?
HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:51:00 -
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Helios Black wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset? HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It's not working. CCP just declared it as an exploit because they can't be bothered to make it work. |
Megos Adriano
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.04.14 04:57:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:You need to give credit where it is due. *holds up a picture, then gives one thumb* This guy!So remember to send this dude a thank you email, before he sets his CSPA charge higher. Thanks to him, you can now only gank 4 times an hour.
That guy. He sound so... whiny.
Stoic Assembly Lines is seeking more storks for our herd! Pilots of all ages-áand professions welcome to-ábecome part of our family - we have opportunities for all! For more information, send me an EVE-Mail. |
Makkaz
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 06:12:00 -
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Megos Adriano wrote:Aqriue wrote:You need to give credit where it is due. *holds up a picture, then gives one thumb* This guy!So remember to send this dude a thank you email, before he sets his CSPA charge higher. Thanks to him, you can now only gank 4 times an hour. That guy. He sound so... whiny.
I love that thread till ccp killjoy locked the thread
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
621
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Posted - 2012.04.14 06:18:00 -
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Used to be if you even undocked in a new ship they blasted you. Gankers got a free ride for a few years. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
298
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:54:00 -
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Sad, braindead miners:
I'd looooove to take credit for that nerf.
But sadly I can't. Smodab Ongalot deserves that honor.
In reality, his tactics were nerfed twice.
-First, CCP stealth sped up Concord's response time when boarding a new ship then warping while GCCed. -then, they made it impossible to board or eject from a ship in space, while GCC'd. -they swapped the mandatory GCC pop-up default from 'yes' to 'no'. -they prevented warping away after a gank. (even though the 'exploit' was shooting after warping, not just warping) -they disabled the Orca's fitting service.
All within the space of a few weeks - from a company that can't be bothered to even fix the Orca's bugged 'stealth' cargobay.
Of course, making some of our ganking tactics public was simply a clever ploy. My true purpose was to discover where CCP Devs live!
Answer: Inside whiny carebear assholes.
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MIkhail Illiad
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
16
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:16:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:The carebears won.
actually its more like somebody opened their mouth and blabbed... if you wanna blame someone blame the guys who made threads asking for dev opinions and others telling more people how to do it. vOv There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared.-á |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
299
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:51:00 -
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MIkhail Illiad wrote:Tobiaz wrote:The carebears won. actually its more like somebody opened their mouth and blabbed... if you wanna blame someone blame the guys who made threads asking for dev opinions and others telling more people how to do it. vOv
No, blame CCP.
They would have discovered this anyway, simply because warping and ganking is a very visible action to everyone in a belt.
There was no need to nerf this, except to appease crybears who can't be bothered to tank.
Killing freighters wasn't even 'OP' - because the counter was SO easy: a random single frigate with a disruptor locking down the outlaw for a few seconds until Concord arrives. |
MIkhail Illiad
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
16
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Posted - 2012.04.14 13:22:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:MIkhail Illiad wrote:Tobiaz wrote:The carebears won. actually its more like somebody opened their mouth and blabbed... if you wanna blame someone blame the guys who made threads asking for dev opinions and others telling more people how to do it. vOv No, blame CCP. They would have discovered this anyway, simply because warping and ganking is a very visible action to everyone in a belt. There was no need to nerf this, except to appease crybears who can't be bothered to tank. Killing freighters wasn't even 'OP' - because the counter was SO easy: a random single frigate with a disruptor locking down the outlaw for a few seconds until Concord arrives.
Hmm you have valid points sir.
Not sure I agree about the freighter thing though, personally I think that was a step too far and the thing that forced CCP's hand in this matter. I don't think they cared about your usual hulks and haulers al that much until people started losing freighters, as everything seemed to accelerate after a forum post about highsec freighter ganks. Maybe that's just me though.
I do think there needs to be suicide ganking in New Eden tho, keeps people on their toes and it would be a shame to see it completely removed from the game. I've had some fun times blowing up unsuspecting peoples who thought they were safe in highsec (and also failed miserably to gank an a-type fit tengu that was running missions lol!) There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared.-á |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
299
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:05:00 -
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MIkhail Illiad wrote:
Hmm you have valid points sir.
Not sure I agree about the freighter thing though, personally I think that was a step too far and the thing that forced CCP's hand in this matter. I don't think they cared about your usual hulks and haulers al that much until people started losing freighters, as everything seemed to accelerate after a forum post about highsec freighter ganks. Maybe that's just me though.
Agreed. My own guess is that after locking the initial primer, they simply were going to stealth nerf it at some future point, possibly Inferno. The freighter kills (someone else - I hadn't made that particular leap, cool as it was) seemed to bring the emergency reaction.
I kind of hoped that there was a Dev or two that would have an open mind. But I was wrong.
The 'worst' case scenario that caused all the emo-rage? (even Red Frog threatened to 'shut down'....pathetic) A single Tornado killing a freighter.
To do that you
A) need someone to bump the freighter repeatedly. B) Tank the gate guns (no mean feat in a T3 BC) C) A lot of time, without interference from, well, anybody - on busy trade routes.
Anyone attempting it would be 'red'. A single escorting Rifter - or even just a bystander with a disruptor could easily thwart the attempt. Really, it was more of a parlor trick than anything else. If freighter pilots simply adjusted and used the tools they already had, rather than crying to mommy, boomeranging a freighter would fail every time.
Would that make AFK flying freighters dangerous? Yes. Would that mean Freighters would require escorts in highsec? Probably.
Are either of those things 'bad for the game'? Not at all. Just a minor inconvenience for freighter pilots who are addicted to easy AFK trading profits with no risk. I know, I fly them - and have lost a couple myself.
Whats kind of sad - is that it would have even provided an interesting opportunity for younger pilots to work as highsec freighter escorts....thats REAL game content, not BS like manufactured 'ooh-scary Incursions' or LVL 4 missions. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
19
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:16:00 -
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Space WOW |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:17:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Sad, braindead miners:
** snip **
Answer: Inside whiny carebear assholes.[/b]
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
This is a sad day when tables have turned and gankers are whining and carebearing more than the miners themselves.
Geeze... stop the drama already. You are disgracing the ganking profession. Your tears can fill oceans man. oceans! And you have only yourself to blame.
P.S To be honest, sometimes I feel like you are a carebear yourself, whom got ganked that way and came to "tell us" about it in the hope CCP close that door. Else I don't see the reason for the so much forum warrioring from your side about it. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
299
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:55:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.
Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
551
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:49:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this. Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something. But extending the ability to prevent from getting ganked by CONCORD is an exploit of mechanics
- While in warp, they can't target you. ^^ oops, sorry to point that out. Couple of extra seconds everytime you warped - CONCORD has response time, not kill time. ^^ oops, sorry to point that out. CONCORD responds by arriving on grid and can be pulled away. Since CONCORD needs a few seconds to arrive and lock your ass down...but you evaded it...you extended it and run rampant.
End result - You found a loophole. CCP said you can't evade CONCORD, but it doesn't say you can't extend that evasion either. They had to finally close that loophole to "One strike, BOOM!" They didn't remove ganking or give immunity, they just require that you find a more worthwile target when you do it and strike hard...then thats it, you don't get a free refill after refill of killmails like its a fast food resturant after buying one drink (or in this case, free ship kills after buying it once) until you toss the cup into the trash (CONCORD blowing up your ship in this case) |
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Eryn Velasquez
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.04.14 19:07:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote: What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.
ROFL - it's so simple to avoid this risk. If you're definitely gonna lose your ship - just don't do it. Risk minimized to zero. Suicide gankers - Silly griefing kiddies, annoying like dog poop under my shoes |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
300
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Posted - 2012.04.14 20:06:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this. Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something. But extending the ability to prevent from getting ganked by CONCORD is an exploit of mechanics - While in warp, they can't target you. ^^ oops, sorry to point that out. Couple of extra seconds everytime you warped - CONCORD has response time, not kill time. ^^ oops, sorry to point that out. CONCORD responds by arriving on grid and can be pulled away. Since CONCORD needs a few seconds to arrive and lock your ass down...but you evaded it...you extended it and run rampant. End result - You found a loophole. CCP said you can't evade CONCORD, but it doesn't say you can't extend that evasion either. They had to finally close that loophole to "One strike, BOOM!" They didn't remove ganking or give immunity, they just require that you find a more worthwile target when you do it and strike hard...then thats it, you don't get a free refill after refill of killmails like its a fast food resturant after buying one drink (or in this case, free ship kills after buying it once) until you toss the cup into the trash (CONCORD blowing up your ship in this case)
NOW its an exploit. Between Dec and the end of March it was perfectly legal. CCP modified their 'Concord' policy retroactively to include the tactic. If it WAS an exploit, I'd be banned right now. But I'm not. Explain it, if you feel otherwise.
Either way, when idiots say stuff like "you just don't want to lose your ship, hur hur", it implies a complete lack of understanding of the topic. You ALWAYS risk your ship, because it always dies. Your return on that risk may vary, but you still take that risk because Concord kills you 100% of the time.
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DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 20:50:00 -
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Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.
In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".
"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking. Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."
That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically. Also it shows you support the use of bots.
Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more? |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
19
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Posted - 2012.04.14 21:32:00 -
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What we have here is double speak. On one hand CCP says you are not intended to be completely safe in high sec, only "safer." On the other, they nerf nerf nerf in to the ground anything whining carecunts in high sec cry about for years. It's double speak. Just come out CCP and state that you have gone from hard core cutting edge and dangerous to wimpy. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
482
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Posted - 2012.04.14 21:47:00 -
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Helios Black wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset? HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
this |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
301
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Posted - 2012.04.14 22:35:00 -
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DU1 -Sia wrote:Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.
In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".
"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking. Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."
That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically. Also it shows you support the use of bots.
Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more?
I believe less carebears is good for EVE. Because less whining carebears mean CCP Devs will cater to them less. Miners tend to be carebears. Bots hurt miners even more than gankers, by injuring their income rate/hr. Notice I didn't say that I was going to start botting myself - I just choose to leave them alone, while exclusively ganking 'actual' players.
Make sense now? Glad I could help. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:07:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this. Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something.
Don't be stupid. Or better yet, be less stupid.
You were crying about losing your ship modules to some orca, you were crying about being podded by a "white knight", you were crying about being held from ganking by concord. You were crying.
Those are the risks I'm talking about. Warping away to die in another place to not lose your precious modules, or better yet, warping away to unfit your ship, or even better, spending 15 minutes warping to not losing your ship at all. All of these are reducing the risk to almost zero.
Now you have to die, where you ganked, with the risk of being podded yourself, which is working as intended, which is what you are crying about.
So TL;DR: Cry some more friend Miners are not as much carebears as you think they are. You on the other hand are a bigger teddy bear than them all together. |
SB Rico
the united Negative Ten.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:07:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.
In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".
"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking. Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."
That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically. Also it shows you support the use of bots.
Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more? I believe less carebears is good for EVE. Because less whining carebears mean CCP Devs will cater to them less. Miners tend to be carebears. Bots hurt miners even more than gankers, by injuring their income rate/hr. Notice I didn't say that I was going to start botting myself - I just choose to leave them alone, while exclusively ganking 'actual' players. Make sense now? Glad I could help.
Err...
Less miners + no drone minerals would be a catastrophe.
After the next patch, no miners = no minerals = no ships on market
Sorry to say that even us griefers need miners not just as targets so driving them all out of the game to create some imaginary PVP utopia would be an extremely short-lived Pyrric victory.
CCP may sometimes overdo things in their favour but carebears are a necessary part of the economy.
What do the predators eat when the prey is gone? |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
302
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:51:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote: Now you have to die, where you ganked, with the risk of being podded yourself, which is working as intended, which is what you are crying about.
Lets talk stupidity. Just about everything you said here is factually wrong. Far from crying - I'm actually laughing, partially at you and partially at CCP. I'll just leave it at that though. "working as intended" indeed. So what now, dumbass?
Besides, you, like most carebear scum, don't even understand what tears are. You are the 5 year old kid misusing swearwords he heard on TV - because he thought they were cool. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
302
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:04:00 -
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SB Rico wrote:
Less miners + no drone minerals would be a catastrophe.
After the next patch, no miners = no minerals = no ships on market
Sorry to say that even us griefers need miners not just as targets so driving them all out of the game to create some imaginary PVP utopia would be an extremely short-lived Pyrric victory.
CCP may sometimes overdo things in their favour but carebears are a necessary part of the economy.
What do the predators eat when the prey is gone?
On the other hand (being a fair minded type) Miners need to accept that grifers are necessary for them too,
Griefers kill ships and control the number of miners... That's a good thing for the miners who survive.
We create demand for ships and reduce the amount of ore on the market so you can sell faster for a better price.
We all have our roles so lets stop whining on forums and complaining to CCP and get on with the serious business of internet spaceships.
I don't have a problem with industrial work. When we talk about carebears, its more of an attitude than an actual profession. There are plenty of miners out there who tank, stay alert, work as a team and protect their assets. I respect that and they usually do not get ganked unless I catch them napping.
Its the entitled 'I want to mine AFK at max yield without risk', 'Its no fair that I lost my 3B ISK Marauder because I shot at a looter', 'Freighters should be invulnerable in highsec' types that I really have an issue with.
Suicide ganks and Mission ninjas are ONLY threat that exist for these players currently - as remote and preventable risk as it is - yet they even want those removed as well. Its BS.
If evading a wardec wasn't as simple as dropping corp, warfare against industrial/economic targets might be viable without suicide ganking. But wardecs don't work that way, and probably won't in the future either. |
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
42
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Posted - 2012.04.15 14:19:00 -
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SB Rico wrote:
Err...
Less miners + no drone minerals would be a catastrophe.
After the next patch, no miners = no minerals = no ships on market
Even though fairybairs have been singing this "We actually matter" song for years, fact was, eve would not have skipped a heartbeat if all miners stopped playing during the last 6-7 years. Finally, they may actually matter to the big eve picture. They told us so, but we didn't listen :)
That is all assuming ccp doesn't get bored of banning bots... lol |
Sahara Uhuru
4
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:08:00 -
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That's so cool. Every time I'm in the mood to read some tear filled posts I just have to go to C+P and read a ganker's thread. More tears than I need to be happy.
'bears don't whine half as much as you do. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
302
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:26:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:You need to give credit where it is due. *holds up a picture, then gives one thumb* This guy!So remember to send this dude a thank you email, before he sets his CSPA charge higher. Thanks to him, you can now only gank 4 times an hour.
Wrong. CCP isn't as smart as you think they are. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:58:00 -
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Lol ... suicide gankers are not predators .. they are carrion birds ...
What they requires no skill and does not count as PVP. Its just what kids do when there is no punishment for being a dickhead.
You still can suicide gank ... you just cant go amok and kill everything in sight while police are telling you to stop but not actually stopping you.
Suicide gankers have proven themselfs to be the biggest most whiniest group of EVE fliers and their tears and sweeter then any other kind. Not to mention they flow like rivers ! |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.04.15 17:03:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:I ganked a mackinkaw, I docked up and got into a new ship and when I undocked i was told i can't warp until a 15 minute timer is up? This must be a new feature, is there any way to do a gank in hi-sec more than once every 15 minutes? What happens if you use an orca to jetison the ships and you jump into them while still global flagged to concord, you will be unable to warp again?
What about using an orca and jumping into the destroyer in the belt right next to your target whilst global flagged, will that work? lol
I've got a great idea: how about shooting at people that shoot back? :) |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
302
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Posted - 2012.04.15 17:11:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:I ganked a mackinkaw, I docked up and got into a new ship and when I undocked i was told i can't warp until a 15 minute timer is up? This must be a new feature, is there any way to do a gank in hi-sec more than once every 15 minutes? What happens if you use an orca to jetison the ships and you jump into them while still global flagged to concord, you will be unable to warp again?
What about using an orca and jumping into the destroyer in the belt right next to your target whilst global flagged, will that work? lol I've got a great idea: how about shooting at people that shoot back? :)
Miners shoot back. First with Hobgoblin I's, then with tears in local. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
533
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Posted - 2012.04.15 17:23:00 -
[37] - Quote
Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore?
Good GOD I'm loving the PANIC here.
There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
533
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Posted - 2012.04.15 17:24:00 -
[38] - Quote
Herr Wilkus wrote: I believe less carebears is good for EVE. Because less whining carebears mean CCP Devs will cater to them less. Miners tend to be carebears. Bots hurt miners even more than gankers, by injuring their income rate/hr. Notice I didn't say that I was going to start botting myself - I just choose to leave them alone, while exclusively ganking 'actual' players.
Make sense now? Glad I could help.
Just throwing my sig up here. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
303
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:03:00 -
[39] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? Good GOD I'm loving the PANIC here.
Actually the OP is wrong. So where is the panic? |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:11:00 -
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Am I the only one that finds it ironic that, after four + years of playing this game, the only whining I ever read about is from the big, bad high-sec gankers? You guys just don't get it: gank all you like, we'll keep playing our game. As you roll thru toon-after-toon with -10 or so, we'll keep mining (I don't mine personally), and building stuff with "free minerals", and playing OUR game. |
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
303
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:21:00 -
[41] - Quote
Katja Faith wrote:Am I the only one that finds it ironic that, after four + years of playing this game, the only whining I ever read about is from the big, bad high-sec gankers? You guys just don't get it: gank all you like, we'll keep playing our game. As you roll thru toon-after-toon with -10 or so, we'll keep mining (I don't mine personally), and building stuff with "free minerals", and playing OUR game.
I just noticed that Hulks cost over 320M ISK now. Mackinaws are up to 165M.
700 DPS Catalyst that can solo gank a Hulk? 1.5 Million, with 14-15M in recoverable mods.
I'd say things are pretty good. I feel a ganking spree coming on....very soon.
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
Herr Wilkus wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Am I the only one that finds it ironic that, after four + years of playing this game, the only whining I ever read about is from the big, bad high-sec gankers? You guys just don't get it: gank all you like, we'll keep playing our game. As you roll thru toon-after-toon with -10 or so, we'll keep mining (I don't mine personally), and building stuff with "free minerals", and playing OUR game. I just noticed that Hulks cost over 320M ISK now. Mackinaws are up to 165M. 700 DPS Catalyst that can solo gank a Hulk? 1.5 Million, with 14-15M in recoverable mods. I'd say things are pretty good. I feel a ganking spree coming on....very soon.
You guys continue to make your runs to low sec to pew rats (something else that doesn't shoot back), and I'll keep making money off you. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
303
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:33:00 -
[43] - Quote
Katja Faith wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Am I the only one that finds it ironic that, after four + years of playing this game, the only whining I ever read about is from the big, bad high-sec gankers? You guys just don't get it: gank all you like, we'll keep playing our game. As you roll thru toon-after-toon with -10 or so, we'll keep mining (I don't mine personally), and building stuff with "free minerals", and playing OUR game. I just noticed that Hulks cost over 320M ISK now. Mackinaws are up to 165M. 700 DPS Catalyst that can solo gank a Hulk? 1.5 Million, with 14-15M in recoverable mods. I'd say things are pretty good. I feel a ganking spree coming on....very soon. You guys continue to make your runs to low sec to pew rats (something else that doesn't shoot back), and I'll keep making money off you.
Bzzzz. Wrong. Skilled -10 alts don't waste precious game time shooting rats, just butthurt, ignorant miners.
The T2 Salvage pays for all expenses - and insures that miners keep buying the Mackinaws and Hulks we build for them. |
Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji
23
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:08:00 -
[44] - Quote
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/amendment
Come on now; it's not that new of a concept.
it's a shame Eve doesn't have more activities to do than suicide ganking
oh wait
Pretty sure gankers can still gank. Nothing to see here, folks. The Irukandji is recruiting PVP pilots! APPLY NAO. You won't regret it. See our info at : -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70811&find=unread |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
72
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:27:00 -
[45] - Quote
This thread is just an example of "someone moved my cheese" at work. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
St1ngerella
Ion Corp. Citex Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:16:00 -
[46] - Quote
This thread made me giggle. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
29
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:06:00 -
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Brusanan wrote:Helios Black wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset? HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It's not working. CCP just declared it as an exploit because they can't be bothered to make it work. Same difference.
We are entertained by the Ganker's Tears. Buncha whiners - worse by far than the Carebears. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
176
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:53:00 -
[48] - Quote
So much whine, not enough cheese. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:34:00 -
[49] - Quote
Excessively offensive lexis edited out.
Please don't step beyond the edge. ISD LoneLynx |
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Immortis Vexx
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
4
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:26:00 -
[50] - Quote
This is what happens. We have toooooo many gankers out there and now "the law" has applied the hammer. I've said this before but... when you specifically target one group of people or over-using one particular tactic it starts to look less like random ganking and more like ethnic cleansing. In this case we have too many gankers popping a larger volume of highsec residents. When your pirate activity takes on a higher profile the higher authority will step in to clean up the situation. This isn't 100% the fault of, "Carebear Whining" and you pirates have a part to play in it too. You have gone too far and taken too much rope. Now, you have hung yourselves with it.
CCP's moves have been slow in the progression to this point. That in itself is a testament to their resistance to making highsec wowesque. If you continue on this path (and I am sure that you will) we will end up at that point sooner or later.
Vexx |
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Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:51:00 -
[51] - Quote
Suicide ganking is too easy now.
Couple that with a broken investment vs reward system.
CCP took notice.
It is my belief that previously, CCP sanctioned suicide gankers as a part of the 'sandbox' atmosphere in the game, but never intended to let it become so seriously prevalent. If there is not some semblance of security in highsec, what is the point of having it? Not to say that highsec should ever be 'safe', but having more ship kills in Jita than any other system speaks volumes to why changes may be implemented.
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:41:00 -
[52] - Quote
Five Thirty wrote:Suicide ganking is too easy now.
Couple that with a broken investment vs reward system.
CCP took notice.
It is my belief that previously, CCP sanctioned suicide gankers as a part of the 'sandbox' atmosphere in the game, but never intended to let it become so seriously prevalent. If there is not some semblance of security in highsec, what is the point of having it? Not to say that highsec should ever be 'safe', but having more ship kills in Jita than any other system speaks volumes to why changes may be implemented.
Quick question: What do suicide gankers get out of the gank?
If your answer is "profit" you're wrong 70% of the time. When I launch a suicide attack, i lose my ship, my modules, and likely get very little in return--ships with stiff tanks generally require multiple attackers to take down prior to concord intervention, so if you happen to get a good module drop you have to split the isk multiple ways...and even then still don't break even (unless you're using officer modules or something in your tank). Ships without stiff tanks that can be solo'd generally have crap for fits that don't even pay for the guns.
This is consequence-based PvP at its most simplistic: you fly a valuable ship without proper defenses, you should plan on losing it. The victim gets insurance, the attacker does not. |
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.04.17 03:36:00 -
[53] - Quote
What you mean the suicide gankers that plague trade hubs? You get plenty of profit.
The suicide gankers that only play to make others suffer? Well, your kind should get a lot more than an exploded ship. |
Eri Em
5
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Posted - 2012.04.17 17:32:00 -
[54] - Quote
/popcorn while mining |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1405
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:37:00 -
[55] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote:Used to be if you even undocked in a new ship they blasted you. Gankers got a free ride for a few years.
I was wondering this. Someone I was playing with got the Concord sans loob for trying to "duel" me (dumb WOWbear) and he got into a new ship in a few minutes and undocked with GCC still going and Concord went for sloppy seconds.
So it's possible to undock now but you can't warp? I know about the warp part, but surprised if it's possible to undock with some "help" out of the ship.
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AureoBroker
Natural Inventions Solyaris Chtonium
34
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:39:00 -
[56] - Quote
Do the mining community a favor and delete the Hulk itself out of existance. |
Eryn Velasquez
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:17:00 -
[57] - Quote
Fuujin wrote: This is consequence-based PvP at its most simplistic: you fly a valuable ship without proper defenses, you should plan on losing it. The victim gets insurance, the attacker does not.
What you`re talking about is PVP like "player versus pinata", a pinata is also unable to punch back. Suicide gankers - Silly griefing kiddies, annoying like dog poop under my shoes |
Megos Adriano
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:14:00 -
[58] - Quote
Carebears: Mining under fire since 10/2009. Stoic Assembly Lines is seeking more storks for our herd! Pilots of all ages-áand professions welcome to-ábecome part of our family - we have opportunities for all! For more information, send me an EVE-Mail. |
Smodab Ongalot
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
91
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:31:00 -
[59] - Quote
I think this affront to gankers is offensive.
I am actually a huge carebear with 20 mining alts.
Ganking Ice miners was simply a form of "Market PVP".
CCP.... WHY U NERF MARKET??!??! |
Arcan Winter
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:09:00 -
[60] - Quote
Herr Wilkus wrote:
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What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.
Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something.
hmmm no the risk of losing a gank ship is not 100%, its a fact you will loose it you gank. The risk is a X% means that fall out can differ, you will always have at least 2 possible results (fail/sucess or head/tail). Once only one and only one results exits its not change based anylonge, hence it is not a risk or possibility that something happe. It is a fact.
The ship for a suicide ganking is nothing more than the ammo for a ratter. But ofcause ratters normally say its a risk I consume ammo when I shot a rat. lazer crystal is something different, here you eeally have a risk they take damage
The only risk a ganker take is to fail, but this dosent change the outcome of that CONCORD do. But turns profit to loss
Well, talking about the risks, it exist another risk for the ganker too. It is that someone gank him first.... but that risk is rather low I guess
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Anya Klibor
Error-404
65
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:46:00 -
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Brusanan wrote:Helios Black wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset? HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It's not working. CCP just declared it as an exploit because they can't be bothered to make it work.
CCP tends to do that. "What, there's a game mechanic being used? It's making people cry? Exploit!" Of course, with DecShield they did a complete 180* and made it legal. |
Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji
29
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:47:00 -
[62] - Quote
I don't know why anyone bothers including "risk" in suicide ganking discussions. Most who suicide gank have figured out a way to do it profitably, and the ones who don't do it for profit don't care what the risks are. It's a red herring argument. Sure, the risk is non-zero, but it's also absurdist to claim there is equal risk. It simply doesn't factor into the finally blow enough to be a meaningful point, especially since being a ganker is obviously more than just about numbers and profit. Also, if we're going to use isk to calculate risk, then ANY activity's risk approaches zero the exponentially richer you get. I find suicide ganking hilarious and find all gameplay styles valid if the rules allow. But please, don't conflate risk with chance. The Irukandji is recruiting PVP pilots! APPLY NAO. You won't regret it. See our info at : -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70811&find=unread |
VegasMirage
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.04.24 10:04:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Parking an orca next to your gank targets then warping in the ganker and jumping into the destroyer next to the target, will that work? No need to warp, you enter the ship next to the target. Or is there something i am missing?
Not sure your question has been answered, but I just ganked somebody and tried having my Orca pilot eject another ship for my -10 alt, so I could finish them off and a notification popped up saying something about the ship I'm attemping to board is now evidence involved in a crime yada yada yada and wouldn't let me board the ship. My Orca could re-scoop the ship though.
So I guess now I'll need start a new -10 so I can gank people like I use to, "pay to win" formula is working for CCP. |
KSbrain
Fuer Grissa ost Drauka Kaos And Mayhem
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 10:55:00 -
[64] - Quote
I love ganking, its my way of making isk. I have made meany billions of isk doing it.
To this change i say: Thank you CCP!
this for a few reasons:
1. More ppl are going to mine so ship prices will go down (hopefully).
2. More ppl will feel save so more high value targets.
So more profit!
Oow and to those crying about this i say you guys where getting out of control and giving gankers a bad name HTFU!
Every gank i have done i have lost the ship and the modules i have never unfitted them, i have never warped away and i have never ganked while under GCC so stop crying and adapt. |
Fireflyb1
Mind's Haven
5
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:38:00 -
[65] - Quote
Honestly, even as someone who's experimented with highsec suicide ganking a little bit, CCP should be aware that they have FULL rights (both morally and legally) to go ahead and nerf suicide ganking to whatever extreme they desire. It's technically "not supposed to happen" (lol some people with thick skullz might think CCP encourages it), so if I were a developer, I'd just nerf it so far into the ground that suicide gankers wouldn't be able to undock for 30 minutes after killing in highsec (or something like that :D). |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
34
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:57:00 -
[66] - Quote
As a recently-recovering carebear, I find myself somewhat perplexed - OK, Ganking is mostly silly and largely pointless, but so what? I've had my mining alt ganked a couple times - It's not a particularly traumatic event. Mostly, it's a blip on the profit spreadsheet.*
Of course, I don't fly what I can't afford to lose, so maybe that's the problem with folks - They forget that mining is suposed to be a profit-generating enterprise, and fly ships much too expensive for the state of their wallet. If I were sitting on a larger wallet, I might fly larger hulls, but I make plenty enough profit now, with my easily-replacable hulls. The mining is only to top off my wallet or supply materials, anyway - it's there to feed my main.
Anyway, the frequency of ganking is hugely exagerated - by both sides. Gankers gank away as fast as they can, but even at their most active, only manage to infest a small number of systems, and impact a tiny fraction of the miners. Miners grind away, and largely are left alone, no matter how tempting a target their hulls are. It's really a side-show. Entertaining, sure, but it's not even remotely a center-ring event.
*Unless done in a particularly sloppy manner, in which case it's an opportunity to mock the hell out of someone. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:28:00 -
[67] - Quote
This thread is funny.
"Carebear miners whine to CCP, so we gank them!"
-Gankers whine on the forums, loudest of all
"CCP is making this game into WoW!"
-Gankers continue to promote blatantly, stupidly obvious tactics that promote such a change
"Miners should understand the RISKS!"
-Gankers cannot handle the risk they now face |
tessrgoonssheep baaaaaaahhhh
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:00:00 -
[68] - Quote
Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore?
hey Sudden, use another alt to draw Concord into the other belt so you can go after the prey in the belt you want with your main. unless Concord decides to make your system like Tama and 175 of their ships humping the Tama/Nourvukaiken gate because of all those Caldari and Gallente FW war heroes. lol |
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