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ThunderWindz
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Posted - 2008.12.28 15:31:00 -
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i do about 10 - 25 missions each day, and kill at least 100 npc pirates. should i try the salvage thing? ^^ I'm relly confused about that stuff :)
- Thanks.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.28 15:35:00 -
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Salvage can be worth a lot. But it takes some time to do it. It depends I guess. I salvage my missions, I like to think its worth it ;)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.28 15:44:00 -
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If you are running level 4s with the purpose of making isk then you should be salvaging - its time/cost effective.
At least salvage the battleships.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Malarkie
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Posted - 2008.12.28 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: ThunderWindz i do about 10 - 25 missions each day, and kill at least 100 npc pirates. should i try the salvage thing? ^^ I'm relly confused about that stuff :)
- Thanks.
Silly L2 mission nets 200K reward and 200k from bonus followed by 100-400k from bounties.
Total= 800k
Salvage the same mission and get cruft worth anywhere from 1000isk (I hate faction rats) up to 4mil.
Salvage can be very much worth it.
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Furb Killer
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.28 15:50:00 -
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Imo it isnt worth it for lvl 4 missions if you do them fast. Many ships can fit a tractor beam without problems, if you loot all bs wrecks near you, you got quite a bit of the good loot. Then salvaging just isnt worth it for me. ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Akyla
Bears Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.28 15:51:00 -
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I always salvage after running a mission.
First I run the mission to completion, then I head back with a dedicated salvage/looting ship to pick it all up.
This can be VERY profitable. ________________________________ All your honey are belong to us! |
ThunderWindz
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Posted - 2008.12.28 16:06:00 -
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Im just doing lvl 2 missions :) im training to salvaging now then. going to be fun to see how much it would help me :D Thanks guys.
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Orakkus
Minmatar m3 Corp BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.28 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akyla I always salvage after running a mission.
First I run the mission to completion, then I head back with a dedicated salvage/looting ship to pick it all up.
This can be VERY profitable.
I do this as well and its a very profitable arrangement depending on the mission.
For Example: Level 4 Mission Payout - 1.5 to 2.5mil Isk Level 4 Mission Time Bonus - 1.6 to 2.5mil Isk Pirate Rat Bounties - 2 to 3mil Isk Recovered Loot - 1 to 4mil Isk Direct Market Sale(highly dependent on what named items dropped) Recovered Salvage (L3 skill) 1 to 3mil Isk Direct Market Sale(The higher the Salvage skill, the more salvage you get)
Total: 6.1mil isk to 15mil isk per mission on average.
And in addition, you can buy faction items with the earned LP.
So yeah, being able to increase the profitability of a mission by 20% without doing thing much over just standard looting makes this an easy decision.
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Malarkie
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Posted - 2008.12.28 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Malarkie on 28/12/2008 16:23:46
Originally by: Orakkus
Originally by: Akyla I always salvage after running a mission.
First I run the mission to completion, then I head back with a dedicated salvage/looting ship to pick it all up.
This can be VERY profitable.
I do this as well and its a very profitable arrangement depending on the mission.
For Example: Level 4 Mission Payout - 1.5 to 2.5mil Isk Level 4 Mission Time Bonus - 1.6 to 2.5mil Isk Pirate Rat Bounties - 2 to 3mil Isk Recovered Loot - 1 to 4mil Isk Direct Market Sale(highly dependent on what named items dropped) Recovered Salvage (L3 skill) 1 to 3mil Isk Direct Market Sale(The higher the Salvage skill, the more salvage you get)
Total: 6.1mil isk to 15mil isk per mission on average.
And in addition, you can buy faction items with the earned LP.
So yeah, being able to increase the profitability of a mission by 20% without doing thing much over just standard looting makes this an easy decision.
ORLY
Care to back that up with some facts?
http://www.allabouteveonline.net/Player%20Guides/SALVAGING.pdf
For those that CBA to read it:
Q: Does my salvaging skill increase the chance a wreck could have salvageable materials in it. A: No û it does not seem to matter what your skill level is û you can salvage stuff with level 1.
Q: So what's the point in training past level 1. A: Less time wasted on failed tries û using more then one salvager also lowers time.
Q: Do all wreck have the same difficulty to salvage from. A: Nope - T2 ship wrecks are more difficult to salvage from and your get a lot more failed attempts.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2008.12.28 16:32:00 -
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I dont loot or salvage serpentis missions or some other that drops nothing but metal craps, like eom.
missions against angels or amarr navy are worth of salvaging. Sometimes I just use quoror with tractors for looting while ignoring salvage!
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Orakkus
Minmatar m3 Corp BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.28 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Orakkus on 28/12/2008 17:18:25
Originally by: Malarkie Edited by: Malarkie on 28/12/2008 16:23:46
Originally by: Orakkus (The higher the Salvage skill, the more salvage you get)
ORLY
Care to back that up with some facts?
http://www.allabouteveonline.net/Player%20Guides/SALVAGING.pdf
For those that CBA to read it:
Q: Does my salvaging skill increase the chance a wreck could have salvageable materials in it. A: No û it does not seem to matter what your skill level is û you can salvage stuff with level 1.
Q: So what's the point in training past level 1. A: Less time wasted on failed tries û using more then one salvager also lowers time.
Q: Do all wreck have the same difficulty to salvage from. A: Nope - T2 ship wrecks are more difficult to salvage from and your get a lot more failed attempts.
Yep, I digress, I was under the impression that it improved the amount of salvage you recieved, and that appears to be incorrect in the direct sense.
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David Devant
Gallente Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.28 17:27:00 -
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No. It's not worth salvaging lvl 2s. Get up to lvl 4's as quickly as possible and then start salvaging.
Your not meant to profit from lvl2s/lvl3s. There just something you have to do. Like learning skills :(
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.12.28 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Malarkie
ORLY
Care to back that up with some facts?
http://www.allabouteveonline.net/Player%20Guides/SALVAGING.pdf
For those that CBA to read it:
Q: Does my salvaging skill increase the chance a wreck could have salvageable materials in it. A: No û it does not seem to matter what your skill level is û you can salvage stuff with level 1.
Q: So what's the point in training past level 1. A: Less time wasted on failed tries û using more then one salvager also lowers time.
Q: Do all wreck have the same difficulty to salvage from. A: Nope - T2 ship wrecks are more difficult to salvage from and your get a lot more failed attempts.
Sorry to say. that guide of yours isn't very accurate. And please, never ever again call a player guide facts. You're quoting his theories and in this case they happen to be incorrect. Luckily however the person you quoted is as incorrect.
- Salvage skill does not increase the amount of salvage per wreck, however it does increase the amount of salvage per cycle - obviously. - Most ships can be salvaged with level 1 salvaging, but just most. There are plenty of wrecks requiring level 3 salvaging, mostly tech 2/faction wrecks. There are also a wrecks and cans requiring level 4. Parrots, commence!
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Daveion Steel
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Posted - 2008.12.28 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: David Devant No. It's not worth salvaging lvl 2s. Get up to lvl 4's as quickly as possible and then start salvaging.
Your not meant to profit from lvl2s/lvl3s. There just something you have to do. Like learning skills :(
Actually I have to disagree here, as I remember salvaging level 2's and later 3's. it does not take very long and can sometimes quadruple your income from a mission. Also if you are running level two's you are most likely fairly new to the game and this can help your finances nicely in the early days.
D...
Pass that Ammerfore mate, Whats an ammerfore, its for banging in nails you bloody ****fa. Whats a ****fa? Omfg
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Malarkie
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Posted - 2008.12.28 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Malarkie
ORLY
Care to back that up with some facts?
http://www.allabouteveonline.net/Player%20Guides/SALVAGING.pdf
For those that CBA to read it:
Q: Does my salvaging skill increase the chance a wreck could have salvageable materials in it. A: No û it does not seem to matter what your skill level is û you can salvage stuff with level 1.
Q: So what's the point in training past level 1. A: Less time wasted on failed tries û using more then one salvager also lowers time.
Q: Do all wreck have the same difficulty to salvage from. A: Nope - T2 ship wrecks are more difficult to salvage from and your get a lot more failed attempts.
Sorry to say. that guide of yours isn't very accurate. And please, never ever again call a player guide facts. You're quoting his theories and in this case they happen to be incorrect. Luckily however the person you quoted is as incorrect.
- Salvage skill does not increase the amount of salvage per wreck, however it does increase the amount of salvage per cycle - obviously. - Most ships can be salvaged with level 1 salvaging, but just most. There are plenty of wrecks requiring level 3 salvaging, mostly tech 2/faction wrecks. There are also a wrecks and cans requiring level 4.
ORLY
Care to back that up with facts?
Using your own logic...I can't trust a forum post on a game forum on the internet for anything.
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Tanith YarnDemon
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Posted - 2008.12.28 19:15:00 -
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It's really quite simple. Salvage all missions once per setup you run. Note the figures of salvage you amass. Make an isk/h comparisson, if salvaging ups it salvage, if it doesn't don't.
Personally this means running a maruader for me, That way I make better isk/h salvaging battleships and certain BC's than running a CNR without salvaging/salvaging with a seperate ship.
I know others who make better isk not salvaging, even though they're using marauders, so it's really nothing you can say in general, comes down to skills, skillpoints and your personal playstyle.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2008.12.28 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 28/12/2008 19:20:34 For some top of my head numbers. I have made 1 Bill isk this month missioning, and I got 500 Mill+ in my hangar in loot and salvage that I have not sold yet. I think salvaging is worth it.
Tho for pure isk/h I do 0.0 ratting :) (I do not salavage when I do it, but I make lots anyways)
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.12.28 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malarkie
ORLY
Care to back that up with facts?
Using your own logic...I can't trust a forum post on a game forum on the internet for anything.
Distrust it all you want, you're still wrong.
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Bravard
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Posted - 2008.12.28 19:29:00 -
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blitz through missions until you can run level 4s, and salvage those. There is not that much point salvaging level 1s, 2s and 3s imo but it all adds up.
Salvaging doubles what you would usually make without salvaging.
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Tyranis Var
SkillzKillz United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.12.28 19:30:00 -
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T2 wrecks can not be salvaged without salvaging skill level 3. Personal experience makes this one fact. ------------------- Rabble Rabble Opie!
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.12.28 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malarkie
ORLY
Care to back that up with facts?
Using your own logic...I can't trust a forum post on a game forum on the internet for anything.
There's pretty much no way of presenting unarguable facts. Won't matter if I bluebar the thread or link the knowledgebase, it still wouldn't be more of a fact. The source would've been as good as any - except it's wrong.
Point is, the guide of yours is incorrect, head out there and salvage any faction wreck and you'll notice what I posted above. If you don't want to feel free to ignore it and move along, you may think whatever you want, I just don't want to see you instructing others about facts that are fallacious.
The advantage forumposts have over thirdparty random guide found on a less known site is the peerreview. Whatever is posted here will be reviewed by quite a number of users, most will be clueless and not really know what they talk about, some will refer to other posts and guides that claim to know what they're talking about and some will know what it's about and simply correct it - since they have next to no life and spend half their lives on forums like this one. On top of that tons of things will be biased one way or another, there will be falconpilots stating they're crap and there will be those who don't use them saying they will solo a titan. This point however is of no argue, a binary answer and one no one really gains anything by arguging the opposite of.(Well, not entirely true if you have to split hairs.) Parrots, commence!
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:54:00 -
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It's worth it to salvage! In fact, many of us just prefer to skip the mission-running and go straight to the salvaging.
Plenty of losers are out there running L4 missions. Just go and salvage theirs! Join the chat channel THE NINJA ALLIANCE and ask how...
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.28 21:48:00 -
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If you are new to EvE without to much ISK salvaging a level 1 can increas your profit by alot.
If you are a full trained faction pimpt Navy Raven pilot it will slow you down.
Depending on your ship you might fitt a tractor+salvager and just salvage what is close enough (Abitrator, Vexor, Myrmidon for excample).
Is it fun to salvage? Hell NO! It's the most boring job in EvE you can find :(. Train salvaging to 3 to increas your success changs, else some BS/elite ships can drive you nuts (10 trys and still not salvaged, 11th try "sorry but you faild to ..").
If you do it partial go for BS and Elite wrecks first. They contain more salvage and loot.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.29 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Jombardo Is it fun to salvage? Hell NO! It's the most boring job in EvE you can find :(.
Not the way we do it, my friend!
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Circle
Caldari Eat Ship and Die
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Posted - 2008.12.29 15:53:00 -
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Got 36 million in salvage the other day in an angels extravaganza lvl 4. I'd say its worth it. Testing |
Venomae
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.29 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: ThunderWindz i do about 10 - 25 missions each day, and kill at least 100 npc pirates. should i try the salvage thing? ^^ I'm relly confused about that stuff :)
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Well with maxed out salvaging you get like 100 ATB's from AE... That's like 30 M ISK from only those.
There are missions wich are WORTH to salvage even when you do speed running.
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Venomae
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.29 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malarkie Edited by: Malarkie on 28/12/2008 16:23:46
ORLY
Care to back that up with some facts?
http://www.allabouteveonline.net/Player%20Guides/SALVAGING.pdf
For those that CBA to read it:
Q: Does my salvaging skill increase the chance a wreck could have salvageable materials in it. A: No û it does not seem to matter what your skill level is û you can salvage stuff with level 1.
Q: So what's the point in training past level 1. A: Less time wasted on failed tries û using more then one salvager also lowers time.
Q: Do all wreck have the same difficulty to salvage from. A: Nope - T2 ship wrecks are more difficult to salvage from and your get a lot more failed attempts.
That's bs............. Stop posting this false information.
Salvaging skill ONLY increases the base chance to get salvage from the wreck.
IT DOES NOT MAKE SALVAGING FASTER!
Some wrecks needs certain level of salvage skill.
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Aeronarr
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Posted - 2008.12.29 16:10:00 -
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In my opinion, certain missions are more worth salvaging than others. For example, if you have a separate ship to salvage with, you'll need to take into account the time it would take you to jump back home and back. Also, if the wrecks are spread all over the place I usually leave the far away ones. Sometimes it's more time efficient to leave some or all of the wrecks, it just depends on what your goals are.
As for those who say that level 2 and 3 missions aren't worth salvaging, you are right that they aren't - compared to level 4. But when you're running level 2 missions, your income is lower, and often it's income that's preventing you from getting that new ship to feel comfortable with level 3's and 4's. It all depends on your goals. If you have a nice ship and just want better missions, maybe skip salvaging. If you want a new ship before progressing into the higher missions, maybe salvage more. Do what it takes to keep skills, money, and standing at the same general level.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.29 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Venomae Salvaging skill ONLY increases the base chance to get salvage from the wreck.
IT DOES NOT MAKE SALVAGING FASTER!
The way you posted this is incorrect, however, I know what you're trying to say.
Salvaging skill increases the percentage chance to retrieve the salvage from a wreck, if it contains any, on that given salvage cycle.
You receive a 5% bonus to salvage retrieval per level. Thus, if you have trained it to V (as I have) you will receive a bonus of 25% on each salvage cycle. That being said, it can make salvage retrieval faster, as the percentage chance is increased by the bonus factor.
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Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.12.29 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Malarkie
Q: Does my salvaging skill increase the chance a wreck could have salvageable materials in it. A: No û it does not seem to matter what your skill level is û you can salvage stuff with level 1.
Wrong. Salvaging level matters. You need higher salvaging skills to salvage officer NPC wrecks. I'm guessing you're never run into the 'You don't have the necessary skill level to salvage this wreck' message.
Originally by: Malarkie
Q: So what's the point in training past level 1. A: Less time wasted on failed tries û using more then one salvager also lowers time.
Kinda, yes. Assigning more salvagers to a wreck means each salvager adds another cycle, so while one salvager may fail, the next one may succeed right afterward, thus resulting in faster salvaging times. The chance of salvaging per salvager remains the same. This has nothing to do with training salvaging past level 1. Increasing your salvaging skill increases the chance of salvage retrieval per cycle for a single salvager.
Originally by: Malarkie
Q: Do all wreck have the same difficulty to salvage from. A: Nope - T2 ship wrecks are more difficult to salvage from and your get a lot more failed attempts.
True, which is why you need a higher salvaging skill for those ships.
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