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Mataus Amoran
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:02:00 -
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i h8 al th1s frikkin txt & l337 sp33k sh1t.
Learn to write, it's a crap load less annoying and adds that extra bit of gravitas. Plus you'll sound less like a 13yr old whiny brat.
That was just a general observation.
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Mataus Amoran
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:02:00 -
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i h8 al th1s frikkin txt & l337 sp33k sh1t.
Learn to write, it's a crap load less annoying and adds that extra bit of gravitas. Plus you'll sound less like a 13yr old whiny brat.
That was just a general observation.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:22:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Miso
Puhlease. Get a brain. In fact, get a SECURE container. Its not difficult.
If you jet a can, its anyones, no matter if its 100km from your ship, or 2cm's. Your crappy airport analogy is irrelevant to Eve. If you jet a can, its anyones. I'll spell it out again, for the terminally dumb:
S-E-C-U-R-E C-A-N
There. Enjoy.
Only a sociopath would consider what is in a jet can sitting next to a miner as "theirs". By game rules it may be up for grabs. By any other measure of any society you care to name anywhere at anytime NO ONE would consider that item free to any who wish to take it. Even 3 year-olds understand this pretty basic concept of ownership that you find so difficult to grasp.
From a game perspective ore thievery might be fine IF the game made it have its own set of good and bad consequences. Of course, it is practically consequence free. Thieves have ALTs to hide behind and CONCORD, supposedly the police, defending them!
If CCP ran the airport in my analogy then anything not on your person is free for anyone to take. Empty your pockets while going through security and not only can anyone take your stuff (as clearly you are throwing it away) but the CCP police at the gate have their guns pointed at you should you kick up a fuss about someone taking your stuff. Put your suitcase down next to you? That is now free as well.
Realizing some customers took execption to this CCP offers in its airport store personal safes you can put your stuff in so no one can take it. That they are hugely inconvenient to use is beside the point (for instance...it takes you a minute to put it down and a minute to poick it up, you cannot put it remotely close to anyone else's, you must keep it a certain distance away from the items you want to put in it and move the items to it, etc.). Just the price you have to pay for security in back-asswards CCP land.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
Puhlease. Get a brain. In fact, get a SECURE container. Its not difficult.
If you jet a can, its anyones, no matter if its 100km from your ship, or 2cm's. Your crappy airport analogy is irrelevant to Eve. If you jet a can, its anyones. I'll spell it out again, for the terminally dumb:
S-E-C-U-R-E C-A-N
There. Enjoy.
Only a sociopath would consider what is in a jet can sitting next to a miner as "theirs". By game rules it may be up for grabs. By any other measure of any society you care to name anywhere at anytime NO ONE would consider that item free to any who wish to take it. Even 3 year-olds understand this pretty basic concept of ownership that you find so difficult to grasp.
From a game perspective ore thievery might be fine IF the game made it have its own set of good and bad consequences. Of course, it is practically consequence free. Thieves have ALTs to hide behind and CONCORD, supposedly the police, defending them!
If CCP ran the airport in my analogy then anything not on your person is free for anyone to take. Empty your pockets while going through security and not only can anyone take your stuff (as clearly you are throwing it away) but the CCP police at the gate have their guns pointed at you should you kick up a fuss about someone taking your stuff. Put your suitcase down next to you? That is now free as well.
Realizing some customers took execption to this CCP offers in its airport store personal safes you can put your stuff in so no one can take it. That they are hugely inconvenient to use is beside the point (for instance...it takes you a minute to put it down and a minute to poick it up, you cannot put it remotely close to anyone else's, you must keep it a certain distance away from the items you want to put in it and move the items to it, etc.). Just the price you have to pay for security in back-asswards CCP land.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:37:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Mon Palae
Originally by: Miso
Puhlease. Get a brain. In fact, get a SECURE container. Its not difficult.
If you jet a can, its anyones, no matter if its 100km from your ship, or 2cm's. Your crappy airport analogy is irrelevant to Eve. If you jet a can, its anyones. I'll spell it out again, for the terminally dumb:
S-E-C-U-R-E C-A-N
There. Enjoy.
Only a sociopath would consider what is in a jet can sitting next to a miner as "theirs". By game rules it may be up for grabs. By any other measure of any society you care to name anywhere at anytime NO ONE would consider that item free to any who wish to take it. Even 3 year-olds understand this pretty basic concept of ownership that you find so difficult to grasp.
From a game perspective ore thievery might be fine IF the game made it have its own set of good and bad consequences. Of course, it is practically consequence free. Thieves have ALTs to hide behind and CONCORD, supposedly the police, defending them!
If CCP ran the airport in my analogy then anything not on your person is free for anyone to take. Empty your pockets while going through security and not only can anyone take your stuff (as clearly you are throwing it away) but the CCP police at the gate have their guns pointed at you should you kick up a fuss about someone taking your stuff. Put your suitcase down next to you? That is now free as well.
Realizing some customers took execption to this CCP offers in its airport store personal safes you can put your stuff in so no one can take it. That they are hugely inconvenient to use is beside the point (for instance...it takes you a minute to put it down and a minute to poick it up, you cannot put it remotely close to anyone else's, you must keep it a certain distance away from the items you want to put in it and move the items to it, etc.). Just the price you have to pay for security in back-asswards CCP land.
Why do you think CCP introduced secure cans? For fun? For the sheer hell of it? Cos they had nothing better to do? No, its was to allow miners in high sec areas to mine securely into cans.
What are you still having problems with? You RL analogies are redundant and pointless. This is a game. An artificially generated environment. In this environment, you jet a can, its no longer yours.
Do you play Pacman and question Pacmans validity to eat the dots?
I can see it now - "Hey, those dots might belong to the ghosts, thats why they're angry. Better not do anything."
Eve=game
Airports=RL
No relation.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:37:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Mon Palae
Originally by: Miso
Puhlease. Get a brain. In fact, get a SECURE container. Its not difficult.
If you jet a can, its anyones, no matter if its 100km from your ship, or 2cm's. Your crappy airport analogy is irrelevant to Eve. If you jet a can, its anyones. I'll spell it out again, for the terminally dumb:
S-E-C-U-R-E C-A-N
There. Enjoy.
Only a sociopath would consider what is in a jet can sitting next to a miner as "theirs". By game rules it may be up for grabs. By any other measure of any society you care to name anywhere at anytime NO ONE would consider that item free to any who wish to take it. Even 3 year-olds understand this pretty basic concept of ownership that you find so difficult to grasp.
From a game perspective ore thievery might be fine IF the game made it have its own set of good and bad consequences. Of course, it is practically consequence free. Thieves have ALTs to hide behind and CONCORD, supposedly the police, defending them!
If CCP ran the airport in my analogy then anything not on your person is free for anyone to take. Empty your pockets while going through security and not only can anyone take your stuff (as clearly you are throwing it away) but the CCP police at the gate have their guns pointed at you should you kick up a fuss about someone taking your stuff. Put your suitcase down next to you? That is now free as well.
Realizing some customers took execption to this CCP offers in its airport store personal safes you can put your stuff in so no one can take it. That they are hugely inconvenient to use is beside the point (for instance...it takes you a minute to put it down and a minute to poick it up, you cannot put it remotely close to anyone else's, you must keep it a certain distance away from the items you want to put in it and move the items to it, etc.). Just the price you have to pay for security in back-asswards CCP land.
Why do you think CCP introduced secure cans? For fun? For the sheer hell of it? Cos they had nothing better to do? No, its was to allow miners in high sec areas to mine securely into cans.
What are you still having problems with? You RL analogies are redundant and pointless. This is a game. An artificially generated environment. In this environment, you jet a can, its no longer yours.
Do you play Pacman and question Pacmans validity to eat the dots?
I can see it now - "Hey, those dots might belong to the ghosts, thats why they're angry. Better not do anything."
Eve=game
Airports=RL
No relation.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:46:00 -
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Miso:
Try this in-game example if you prefer.
Imagine you and two of your mates, George and Grace, are floating in 0.0 somewhere waiting for the next spawn to show.
Grace sends you an eve-mail asking for the XL Clarity Ward and 2 425 Proto Rails you found in the loot. You owe Grace so you agree and jettison the stuff so she can pick it up.
George sees the jet can appear and nabs what is in it before Grace gets it. You tell George that it is not his but meant for Grace. He replies sorry but as far as he is concerned it was just some trash lying about. He was just lucky to get it before Grace. If Grace wants it she can pay him the bargain (cuz she's a corpmate) price of 50 mil ISK to get the items.
Since you (Miso) did not use a secure can or go to station and trade items to Grace securely you would just shrug and let George get away with that? Since it is your considered opinion that anything floating in space is free to any who grab it you would consider George to be perectly within his rights to do this.
If I were a betting man my money is you'd raise holy hell screaming at George to hand the stuff back over.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:46:00 -
[68]
Miso:
Try this in-game example if you prefer.
Imagine you and two of your mates, George and Grace, are floating in 0.0 somewhere waiting for the next spawn to show.
Grace sends you an eve-mail asking for the XL Clarity Ward and 2 425 Proto Rails you found in the loot. You owe Grace so you agree and jettison the stuff so she can pick it up.
George sees the jet can appear and nabs what is in it before Grace gets it. You tell George that it is not his but meant for Grace. He replies sorry but as far as he is concerned it was just some trash lying about. He was just lucky to get it before Grace. If Grace wants it she can pay him the bargain (cuz she's a corpmate) price of 50 mil ISK to get the items.
Since you (Miso) did not use a secure can or go to station and trade items to Grace securely you would just shrug and let George get away with that? Since it is your considered opinion that anything floating in space is free to any who grab it you would consider George to be perectly within his rights to do this.
If I were a betting man my money is you'd raise holy hell screaming at George to hand the stuff back over.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:50:00 -
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I wouldnt be stupid enough to jet stuff into space for someone. If I did happen to do it, for arguments sake, and I lost it, then its my own stupid fault.
Like I maintain, you jet it, its anyones.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:50:00 -
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I wouldnt be stupid enough to jet stuff into space for someone. If I did happen to do it, for arguments sake, and I lost it, then its my own stupid fault.
Like I maintain, you jet it, its anyones.
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Sub 7
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:54:00 -
[71]
And that's usually me.
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Sub 7
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Posted - 2004.07.22 13:54:00 -
[72]
And that's usually me.
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2004.07.22 14:02:00 -
[73]
There is no rules against complaining about ore thiefs... so it will go on..
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CEO: Black Sea Industries
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2004.07.22 14:02:00 -
[74]
There is no rules against complaining about ore thiefs... so it will go on..
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CEO: Black Sea Industries
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Nigel
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Posted - 2004.07.22 14:08:00 -
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Another way to look at an ore thief would be as a public servant, jet cans are more like trash cans where people put there unwanted rubbish for collection, which the ore thief dutifully does without moaning or charging you a fee. If however you do not want your trash collected (free of charge) all you have to do is use your slightly more expensive yet much more secure method of storage, thats right kids the secure can, available at most good space station.
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Nigel
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Posted - 2004.07.22 14:08:00 -
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Another way to look at an ore thief would be as a public servant, jet cans are more like trash cans where people put there unwanted rubbish for collection, which the ore thief dutifully does without moaning or charging you a fee. If however you do not want your trash collected (free of charge) all you have to do is use your slightly more expensive yet much more secure method of storage, thats right kids the secure can, available at most good space station.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.07.22 14:21:00 -
[77]
Ore thieves and jet-can miners are the reality TV of Eve. Yes it's sad and pathetic to watch the two sides continually whine and wind each other up, but I can't resist watching it 
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.07.22 14:21:00 -
[78]
Ore thieves and jet-can miners are the reality TV of Eve. Yes it's sad and pathetic to watch the two sides continually whine and wind each other up, but I can't resist watching it
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.07.22 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: lordmix on 22/07/2004 14:37:15
ffs stop talking about ore taking people, i dont care, so if i dont care rest of u dont care, 
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.07.22 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: lordmix on 22/07/2004 14:37:15
ffs stop talking about ore taking people, i dont care, so if i dont care rest of u dont care,
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.07.22 15:33:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Toran Mehtar
Ore thieves and jet-can miners are the reality TV of Eve. Yes it's sad and pathetic to watch the two sides continually whine and wind each other up, but I can't resist watching it
I'd say morelike daytime talk shows.
"Next up on Eneri Shudusham-
Gurrista Barristas open 'Espresso Bunny' Gourmet Coffee stands throughout Lonetrek - Are we drinking Terrorist Java? But first, stay tuned for:
Ore Theives impregnated by cheating Jet Can Lovers.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.07.22 15:33:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Toran Mehtar
Ore thieves and jet-can miners are the reality TV of Eve. Yes it's sad and pathetic to watch the two sides continually whine and wind each other up, but I can't resist watching it
I'd say morelike daytime talk shows.
"Next up on Eneri Shudusham-
Gurrista Barristas open 'Espresso Bunny' Gourmet Coffee stands throughout Lonetrek - Are we drinking Terrorist Java? But first, stay tuned for:
Ore Theives impregnated by cheating Jet Can Lovers.
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:09:00 -
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i love the futility of listening to a person with morals trying to get a point accross to people who have none. i love reading the inane replies by ore thieves trying in vain to justify what they do. let's take a look at one of my favorites:
"I'm cleaning up your trash, you lazy worthless litter-bug you!"
flummoxspeaks:
cargo cans dissipate into nothingness due to lack of structural integrity stablizers in about 2 hours time. so, no need to clean anything. your arguement is invalid.
let's hear some more! c'mon ore thieves! give us more... better excuses! more rationalizations to stealing! please justify your childish ways to us!
it's so sad to see the human race de-evolve at such a rapid pace... i pray for renaissance everyday...
please parents, instill some morals in your children so i don't have to deal with it. you lazy, worthless parents you!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.22 16:09:00 -
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i love the futility of listening to a person with morals trying to get a point accross to people who have none. i love reading the inane replies by ore thieves trying in vain to justify what they do. let's take a look at one of my favorites:
"I'm cleaning up your trash, you lazy worthless litter-bug you!"
flummoxspeaks:
cargo cans dissipate into nothingness due to lack of structural integrity stablizers in about 2 hours time. so, no need to clean anything. your arguement is invalid.
let's hear some more! c'mon ore thieves! give us more... better excuses! more rationalizations to stealing! please justify your childish ways to us!
it's so sad to see the human race de-evolve at such a rapid pace... i pray for renaissance everyday...
please parents, instill some morals in your children so i don't have to deal with it. you lazy, worthless parents you!
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2004.07.22 17:20:00 -
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I love reading these topics, it's really great stuff.
I think Miso made her point quite well; Eve (CCP's universe) created an environment that encourages amoral behavior, and if they didn't want to support alleged 'ore thieving', they would have made it illegal instead of creating secure cans. And if they (CCP) really wanted a moral universe, they'd have done away with weapons (and money?) altogether. cumbaya...
And here's a moral contradiction for ya; stealing ore isn't ok, but what really makes you mad is that you can't destroy them for it! Talk about a warped morality; remind me not to cross your path, crazies. Try taking the moral (christian) high ground and forgive them, eh? 
That's what makes this universe so fantasic, people have an choice to be famous or infamous.  
Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2004.07.22 17:20:00 -
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I love reading these topics, it's really great stuff.
I think Miso made her point quite well; Eve (CCP's universe) created an environment that encourages amoral behavior, and if they didn't want to support alleged 'ore thieving', they would have made it illegal instead of creating secure cans. And if they (CCP) really wanted a moral universe, they'd have done away with weapons (and money?) altogether. cumbaya...
And here's a moral contradiction for ya; stealing ore isn't ok, but what really makes you mad is that you can't destroy them for it! Talk about a warped morality; remind me not to cross your path, crazies. Try taking the moral (christian) high ground and forgive them, eh?
That's what makes this universe so fantasic, people have an choice to be famous or infamous.
Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
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Beelzbub
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Posted - 2004.07.22 17:46:00 -
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Moral CHRISTIAN high ground?? WTF is that? One does NOT need to be xian to hold the "high ground" of morality.
(yes that was off topic, however it urks me to no end when folks think xianity holds a monopoly on morality.)
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Beelzbub
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Posted - 2004.07.22 17:46:00 -
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Moral CHRISTIAN high ground?? WTF is that? One does NOT need to be xian to hold the "high ground" of morality.
(yes that was off topic, however it urks me to no end when folks think xianity holds a monopoly on morality.)
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.22 18:09:00 -
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please leave your discussions about ficticous beliefs out of this forum, this game, and basically everything. you don't even want to open that can of worms here.
and, christians are NO WHERE NEAR the moral blueprint they'd like to think they are...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.07.22 18:09:00 -
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please leave your discussions about ficticous beliefs out of this forum, this game, and basically everything. you don't even want to open that can of worms here.
and, christians are NO WHERE NEAR the moral blueprint they'd like to think they are...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
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