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ivar R'dhak
The Rising Stars
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Posted - 2009.01.01 15:51:00 -
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Drum Roll!
Awesome!
Wish there were more men like this. Too many rabid feminists fncking everything up. _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.01 16:01:00 -
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Speaking the truth has become politically incorrect while imbecils like Roy Meadows come up with the most ******ed theories to get people locked up because they're insane.
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Tyr Vaantau
Amarr Disorder.
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Posted - 2009.01.01 16:12:00 -
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The website that came from has a far right christian agenda...so it's likely that this celebration of political incorrectness (which I love) has some darker undertones.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.01 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau The website that came from has a far right christian agenda...so it's likely that this celebration of political incorrectness (which I love) has some darker undertones.
His research speaks for itself.
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2009.01.01 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Tyr Vaantau The website that came from has a far right christian agenda...so it's likely that this celebration of political incorrectness (which I love) has some darker undertones.
His research speaks for itself.
Yes, it does. ------
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DubanFP
Caldari R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2009.01.01 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 01/01/2009 16:34:23
I think the saddest part is that IÆm in no way surprised. Most people have a horrible tendency to form opinions on the extremes and refuse to admit their mistakes. Many, such as the group in the article, will even lash out at those who present evidence to the contrary rather then personal belief. It's kind of sad that those who form opinions primarily of evidence and facts tend to get lashed apon by such people.
It's ironic that they refuse to let go of their preconceived notions about male-female relationships. I find it amusing, in a sick and twisted way, that their belief of men only abusing women is the same sexism that they claim to oppose. I find that the refusal to break preconceived notions based on what benefits oneself in defiance of all evidence is a sadly human trait, man or woman.
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Bolderine
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.01 17:13:00 -
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As a former partner of a female domestic abuser, I know all too well that it's not men who are the only perpetrator in violent relationships, women do thier fair share as well. I would say that a good number of guys who hit their wives are reacting to their partners violence as much as allowing their own to come to the surface. Trust me, it's hard to keep your cool and not react when she's punching, kicking and throwing everything within hands reach at you. While personal feelings and decency tell you to retreat, even though you know she'll only follow, instinct is screaming at you to put her down with a punch and stop her.
It's only because women are said to be the "weaker sex" that men get the blame for 100% of the domestic abuse. Everyone is quick to point a finger and say he beat his wife, but don't realise that he's probably had all sorts of abuse from her and even a few items from around the house launched at him as well.
Womens movements not only fail to recognise this but also refuse to accept it. After I left the house when a particularly nasty incident occurred, I had nowhere to go. No refuges made available for men, no offers of housing from the local council, no temporary accomodation now that I was homeless even though the crime number (police were called) would have proved that I was not homeless by my own choice. Absolutely no help whatsoever and I spent nearly 4 weeks sleeping in the car before the local newspaper took up my story. Amazingly, the local council backtracked and offered me a place on the spot. It seems that even the government doesn't recognise the problem either unless they are threatened with exposure by the media.
Women think they are so hard done by but they get far more help in these circumstances than men do even though they are just as much to blame.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2009.01.01 18:06:00 -
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So emailed to my father. We love talking about **** like this because one of my stepsisters acts just like the types you read about here. We also know our attitude really makes her mad.
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ouroboros trading
Gallente Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2009.01.01 19:29:00 -
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as someone who has met enough *****es it's not suprising, men can be violent, sure, but women are prone to viciouness.
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Ivana Drake
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Posted - 2009.01.01 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ivana Drake on 01/01/2009 19:46:21 Well, simply being female dosen't mean you're a feminist, and feminism has little to do with female rights either - the 'feminists' mentioned in the article don't seem to have understood that...
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ivar R'dhak
The Rising Stars
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:26:00 -
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Simply being female means you automatically profit from every feminist-dogma enabled perk this society grants you.
I¦m not seeing any female complaining too much about VAWA, no-fault divorce laws, and frivolous restraining orders. False rSpe (ridiculous censoring filter) accusers and female child abusers/molesters getting but a hand slap for their "indiscretions", isn¦t high on the female nag list either. Unless their own offspring is concerned, of course.
By default practically every western woman and seemingly all but most men are indoctrinated feminists. Which is not a good way to be happy.
_ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:28:00 -
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Did anyone else here see the Man Show's clip about ending woman's suffrage? THat was hilarious.
As for the rest of the article. I had a hard time continuing to read the minute that spousal abuse was brought up as a hate crime.
I also find it hard to believe that women picketing and disturbing a lecture is considered as violent.
Those things being said, I definitely believe that women contribute to all forms of domestic violence. But I also believe that men are and will always be the predominate abusers. I would even dare to say that most of the women in lesbian relationships that are abusers, exhibit more masculine attributes then they do feminine.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon Did anyone else here see the Man Show's clip about ending woman's suffrage? THat was hilarious.
As for the rest of the article. I had a hard time continuing to read the minute that spousal abuse was brought up as a hate crime.
I also find it hard to believe that women picketing and disturbing a lecture is considered as violent.
Those things being said, I definitely believe that women contribute to all forms of domestic violence. But I also believe that men are and will always be the predominate abusers. I would even dare to say that most of the women in lesbian relationships that are abusers, exhibit more masculine attributes then they do feminine.
Slade
Perfect example of indoctrination.
The article clearly states that Lesbian relationships exhibit more violence than hetero sexual ones and you still have a hard time believing that? Either you are saying this man didn't do his research right or you know something he doesn't. I recommend you take this matter up with him as your expertise obviously outweighs his. Posting views is one thing but disagreeing with research that has been carried out over decades makes you look stupid, especially as all you have to add to the matter is "I don't agree because I don't agree."
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2009.01.02 16:45:00 -
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Doesn't surprise me in the slightest if he is correct with that, part of male pride refuses to connect the dots between being hit by your partner/getting things thrown at you and being domestic. It is a bit strange how suggesting that under circumstances such as being hit you would be prepared to hit back and this is seen as sexist
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.02 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Perfect example of indoctrination.
The article clearly states that Lesbian relationships exhibit more violence than hetero sexual ones and you still have a hard time believing that? Either you are saying this man didn't do his research right or you know something he doesn't. I recommend you take this matter up with him as your expertise obviously outweighs his. Posting views is one thing but disagreeing with research that has been carried out over decades makes you look stupid, especially as all you have to add to the matter is "I don't agree because I don't agree."
Indoctrinated, lol! I am very diligent in my research and if I was to allow simple little article from biased pages to sawy every thought I have I would be one of the sheep. I typically do research before I make comments on topics such as this, but I did not have time to this before I went to work. Yes I should have waited but what is done is done.
I am currently doing a serch via pubmed to start looking up the validity of the report. That being said, from one who has participated in graduate level research in the health and social science, the link to the position statement is not exceptionally persuading. If you look at the works cited, a majority of the research is over ten years old. In my experiance you cite the most recent research as possible. You go past the 5 year mark only to cite ground breaking material that founded your area of reasearch.
This seemed frist hand to be a persuasive article ment to progress ones agend. This individual did not even mention gay male partner violence, thus leaving out a whole sub population undiscussed. I wonder why
I have a pretty good ability to reseach questions that are brought up and I am doing that know with this topic. Abuse of any type is unacceptable and I feel that this article does nothing to aid in the battle to minimize the problem.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Hatt0ri Hanz0
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Posted - 2009.01.02 17:34:00 -
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Im not surprised. When I'm angry, I stew. When my wife is angry, she throws things. And I'm nearly twice her size.
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Belladona Grimm
Raven's Heart
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Posted - 2009.01.02 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hatt0ri Hanz0 Im not surprised. When I'm angry, I stew. When my wife is angry, she throws things. And I'm nearly twice her size.
And we're the ones that never grow up and are can't be mature to save our souls etc etc <insert random generalization>
P.S. - Mine tends to reach for things too, luckily she usually makes sure its something harmless like a pop bottle or somthing. Really sux when she grabes one that is not empty
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Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind
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Posted - 2009.01.02 17:47:00 -
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Anyone who's accidentaly (or intentionally) hit on a lesbian at a bar while theyre with their partner, knows they can be extremely hostile.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.02 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/01/2009 18:09:32 "Hines DA, Straus MA. Research has consistently shown a link between alcohol use and partner violence (PV). Little is known concerning the strength of this association across cultures and genders, and few have assessed possible mediators. A significant association was found between binge drinking and PV, the strength of which differed by site but not by gender.
Conclusion: This study provides evidence that the associations between binge drinking and PV perpetration occur across many different sites around the world, that this association is similar for males and females."
The following will show how that above article has an agenda and I believe that the researchers goal has been perverted.
Gender symmetry in prevalence, severity, and chronicity of physical aggression against dating partners by university students in Mexico and USA. 2007
"In all four samples, there was no significant difference between males and females in either the overall prevalence of physical aggression or the prevalence of severe attacks."
As I said above I believe that we all have the same propensity for violence, regardless of gender.
"When only one partner was violent, this was twice as likely to be the female partner (19.0%) as the male partner (9.8%)."
Yes this says that women are more likely to the single aggressor in single aggressor situations, but that could be attributed to perceptions of physical inferiority.
"The presence of gender symmetry in these different cultural contexts, combined with studies showing that women are injured more often and more seriously by partner-assaults, and studies showing that women initiate PV as often as men, suggests that programs and policies aimed at primary prevention of PV by women are crucial to ending PV and for reducing the victimization of men and women."
Further another statment that makes me believe that the articles publishers and the individuals handing out the award are miscunsrtuing that mans works.
"Although it is essential that primary and secondary prevention of PV include a major focus on violence by women as well as men, the needed change must be made with extreme care for a number of reasons. First, it must be done in ways that, simultaneously refute the idea that violence by women justifies, or excuses violence by their partners. Second, although women may assault partners at approximately the same rate as men, assaults by men usually inflict greater physical, financial, and emotional injury [Archer, 2000; Stets and Straus,1990]. This means that male violence against women, on average, results in more severe victimization. Thus, a focus on protecting and assisting female victims must remain a priority; despite the fact that services for male victims need to be made available. Finally, in many societies women lack full economic, social, political, and human rights. In such cultural contexts, equality for women needs to be given priority as an even more fundamental aspect of primary prevention of PV. Otherwise focusing on PV by women can further exacerbate the PV. Otherwise focusing on PV by women can further exacerbate the oppression of women in those societies."
I will not argue that women are just as likely to commit acts of violence, but this article seems to miss the whole point of this mans studies.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon Those things being said, I definitely believe that women contribute to all forms of domestic violence. But I also believe that men are and will always be the predominate abusers.
Men will always be the more visible abusers, you mean.
People underestimate just how big the gap in physical performance is between male and female. Even if you were to take an out-of-shape man and compare him to a physically fit woman, the male would (on average) be stronger.
I've scrapped enough with my sister to be acutely aware of the difference. Back in the day, we used to fight all the time. We're closer and friendlier now, thank God, but back then, even at that much younger age, I had to be very careful - one punch from me would have done more damage to her than she could have done to me in five minutes.
The result is that in any domestic situation where the male loses control and lashes out - whether or not he's the one who punched first - it's the female who comes away with a black eye, broken nose, concussion, cracked rib...
Men are not the predominate abusers. I've been picked on by enough ladies to know that one first-hand. The cross we bear is that we have the power to end any fight with a female in one blow, and that we must never do it. Not just for legal reasons but for moral ones as well. Why do you think hitting a girl is such a big playground taboo? -
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.02 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Slade Trillgon Those things being said, I definitely believe that women contribute to all forms of domestic violence. But I also believe that men are and will always be the predominate abusers.
Men will always be the more visible abusers, you mean.
People underestimate just how big the gap in physical performance is between male and female. Even if you were to take an out-of-shape man and compare him to a physically fit woman, the male would (on average) be stronger.
I've scrapped enough with my sister to be acutely aware of the difference. Back in the day, we used to fight all the time. We're closer and friendlier now, thank God, but back then, even at that much younger age, I had to be very careful - one punch from me would have done more damage to her than she could have done to me in five minutes.
The result is that in any domestic situation where the male loses control and lashes out - whether or not he's the one who punched first - it's the female who comes away with a black eye, broken nose, concussion, cracked rib...
Men are not the predominate abusers. I've been picked on by enough ladies to know that one first-hand. The cross we bear is that we have the power to end any fight with a female in one blow, and that we must never do it. Not just for legal reasons but for moral ones as well. Why do you think hitting a girl is such a big playground taboo?
That statement has been retracted. I need to slash it out. I also present further information and opinion in my later posts.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.02 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 02/01/2009 19:38:09 Since I made an ass of myself by taking a position on something, I feel the need to point out why. I did not like how the original article presented the problem. I hate the concept of political correctness or incorrectness and this put me off. So as I said before I needed to do some reading.
It does seem that the feminists mentioned are misguided in what Dr. Straus is trying to do.
All he wants to do is to find out if prevention strategies would benefit from gender based education programs. His research at least shows that women are equally capable of being the aggressor. He then wants to find out if the original prevention programs that are based on male characteristics are effective for educating women. Since the reasons why women may aggress are different then why men may aggress.
Research on Violence Prevention Programs
"Almost all violence prevention and treatment programs are based on the assumption that partner assault is almost exclusively a male crime. Research is needed on whether the effectiveness of prevention and treatment programs will be improved by taking into account the repeated finding that in one half or more of the cases both partners are violent, and in about one fourth of the cases, the female partner is the only one to hit. This will be difficult to investigate, not because of problems in research design, but because programs that recognize the fact of symmetry will not be available to study unless there is a change in the political climate. Program providers are committed to the idea that men are almost always the only violent partner, and that male dominance is the problem rather than the dominance of one partner regardless of whether it is the male or female partner, as was found as long ago as the 1975 National Family Violence Survey . They remain committed to the belief that ôpatriarchyö is the overwhelming cause of partner violence rather than just one of many causes. Consequently, they are unwilling to create gender-inclusive programs that can be studied. Some states, such as Colorado, prohibit joint treatment, even though numerous studies (some cited earlier)have found that both parties are typically violent. Violence is most often a family system characteristic, and joint treatment is usually needed to treat systemic problems. At the national legislative level, the Violence Against Women Act effectively blocks funding gender-inclusive services that could be studied.
The politically based blockage of gender-inclusive programs will eventually change, and the research community needs to be ready to begin empirical investigation of the new prevention and treatment modalities as soon as they begin to emerge. The change will come about by the same political processes that enabled the womenÆs movement to create a national recognition of wife beating as a major problem and to create services for battered women. There is a small but increasingly influential menÆs movement starting to change the political climate. For example, they have lobbied members of Congress to make the renewed Violence Against Women Act gender inclusive. In New Hampshire, the legislature created a committee on the status of men. There is a hotline for male victims and another that is explicitly gender-inclusive. Both have been refused funding under the Violence Against Women Act; however, legal action is being taken to reverse that, just as legal action was crucial in the effort to force police and prosecutors to treat violence against women as the crime that it is."
Yeah, it sucks that anyones personal agenda can block scientific research. Once again I should have waited to make any response.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.02 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 02/01/2009 21:14:57
Originally by: Stitcher Men are not the predominate abusers. I've been picked on by enough ladies to know that one first-hand. The cross we bear is that we have the power to end any fight with a female in one blow, and that we must never do it. Not just for legal reasons but for moral ones as well. Why do you think hitting a girl is such a big playground taboo?
But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality? Most women know that it is always the male who gets blamed because the woman will always come away with marks, bruises and sometimes worse. As any player here knows, goading someone into making a mistake is a standard tactic. If the goading doesn't work, he will just let you get on with it because he won't hit back, so you can do some serious damage with no repurcussions. Either way, you're backing a winning tactic.
Once again, we come back to the same tactics that are used in Eve every day... "Because I can".
The biggest problem is that society has put more emphasis on gender than the violence itself.
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2009.01.02 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality?
My uncle would never hit a woman, its probably how his ex-wife was able to stab him four times in the heart. ------
Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in..
Games are a pastime.. not a way of life.
If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 02/01/2009 22:56:00 Edited by: Stitcher on 02/01/2009 22:54:13
Originally by: Dantes Revenge But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality?
All the time. Do you have any idea how many men are falsely accused of rape every year? It could be as much as 9% of all reported rape cases.
Misandry is a more common problem than people are prepared to admit. Kinda sucks, really - in attempting to rid the world of one kind of gender discrimination, its alternative has set up shop.
There's no balance with some people.
also: yes, I dodged the profanity filter. Deal with it; that thing's retarded anyway. unfortunately, it went ahead and killed my first link, so you'll need to replace the row of asterisks in the URL bar. -
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.03 00:51:00 -
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In case anyone cares, HERE is a link to Dr. Straus's home page on the University of New Hampshire webserver. It has many links to studies and his class syllabi as well. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.03 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bolderine As a former partner of a female domestic abuser, I know all too well that it's not men who are the only perpetrator in violent relationships, women do thier fair share as well. I would say that a good number of guys who hit their wives are reacting to their partners violence as much as allowing their own to come to the surface. Trust me, it's hard to keep your cool and not react when she's punching, kicking and throwing everything within hands reach at you. While personal feelings and decency tell you to retreat, even though you know she'll only follow, instinct is screaming at you to put her down with a punch and stop her.
It's only because women are said to be the "weaker sex" that men get the blame for 100% of the domestic abuse. Everyone is quick to point a finger and say he beat his wife, but don't realise that he's probably had all sorts of abuse from her and even a few items from around the house launched at him as well.
Womens movements not only fail to recognise this but also refuse to accept it. After I left the house when a particularly nasty incident occurred, I had nowhere to go. No refuges made available for men, no offers of housing from the local council, no temporary accomodation now that I was homeless even though the crime number (police were called) would have proved that I was not homeless by my own choice. Absolutely no help whatsoever and I spent nearly 4 weeks sleeping in the car before the local newspaper took up my story. Amazingly, the local council backtracked and offered me a place on the spot. It seems that even the government doesn't recognise the problem either unless they are threatened with exposure by the media.
Women think they are so hard done by but they get far more help in these circumstances than men do even though they are just as much to blame.
At least you weren't ****d, ****d men doesn't exists apparently and there is very little being done to help these guys. I mean real mean doesn't get in these kinds of situations, it just doesn't happen, how can it?
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.03 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Dantes Revenge But when does using that taboo to your advantage become reality?
My uncle would never hit a woman, its probably how his ex-wife was able to stab him four times in the heart.
There is chivalry and then there's stupidity, anyone coming at me with a weapon is put down.
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.03 01:48:00 -
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Slade, please go sit in the corner, and don't forget to don the shame-on-you hat!
I'm sorry I had to. ...but on a serious note, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.03 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon a majority of the research is over ten years old. In my experiance you cite the most recent research as possible. You go past the 5 year mark only to cite ground breaking material that founded your area of reasearch, even if most of the research is yours. Actually that does not even help the position in my mind.
When was the last time research was done into the world being round? Are you saying that as long as we don't do research into fire our findings that fire is hot will become outdated?
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here but in this post you certainly make very little sense.
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