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Gensuru
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:26:00 -
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All -
I find myself moving assets to a new region to follow my friends. We've been in MH for a very long time now doing missions for the republic, and to my surprise the amarr navy began shooting at me! It seems this would have happened fairly recently because I have just below a -5 standing. I need to regain .4 faction standing in whichever way is easiest. What will be the fastest way? I can:
- Use my alt account to do missions for an amarr agent until the agent unlocks for my main. I think this would require about a total of around 4.5 agent standing because of my current -5.4 standing with the amarr empire. - Get the diplomacy skill to level 4 and spam low level missions for a caldari corporation. A couple of storyline missions for caldari may raise my amarr empire standing far enough.
Will either of these ideas work? Thanks, I want to regain access to amarr space even if I can't really talk to any agents there. -Gensuru
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Avalon Champion
Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Avalon Champion on 03/01/2009 21:33:16 you can train diplomacy (0.4 increase per level) this should help you get to some of the lower quality agents and stop your self from being shot at.
you may also be a able to run ammar with some corps as your standing with them may be closer to 0.
I'm not sure how the NPC standings work, if its based on the Faction or Corp standing first. Eg -5.4 Faction, and -0.1 NPC Corp standing. Which one take precedence?
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Gensuru
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:33:00 -
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I think I figured out how to deal with this; I still have high standing with the amarr navy corporation, I just have to spam some low level missions and do a couple storylines for amarr navy outside amarr space. This should work.
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Gensuru
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:44:00 -
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actually for anyone interested, i figured out that this will NOT work. I have to:
- Kill lots of minmatar faction ships, or - Do lots of caldari faction COSMOS missions.
I'll just live with my standing for now and not live in amarr space :P
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Gensuru
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Posted - 2009.01.03 21:50:00 -
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this is all because if you have positive standings, your highest standing of the 3 that apply (faction, corp, agent) takes precedence, they don't add or anything -- however, when you have negative standing, you have to have above a certain standing for all three.
So, the minimum standing for a newbie agent to talk to me is -2.0. This means that I have to have at least -2.0 standing with: the agent, the corp, AND the faction - if any of them are below this she won't talk to me.
doh
gotta kill amarr empire enemies to gain standing, that's the only thing I can figure.
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Jeran Tek
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.03 22:52:00 -
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Actually killing Amarr enemies will not help. The only ways I know of gaining faction standing are: 1) FW missions (I think, I haven't done these myself) 2) Complete a Storyline mission (after 16 missions) for that faction or for someone they like. 3) Hand in tags at certain stations (again, something I've not done personally) 4) Complete COSMOS missions for the faction (which needs high standings to start with, I believe)
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.03 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jeran Tek Actually killing Amarr enemies will not help. The only ways I know of gaining faction standing are: 1) FW missions (I think, I haven't done these myself) 2) Complete a Storyline mission (after 16 missions) for that faction or for someone they like. 3) Hand in tags at certain stations (again, something I've not done personally) 4) Complete COSMOS missions for the faction (which needs high standings to start with, I believe)
On these methods: 1) He needs 0.5 raw standing or higher with either Amarr or Caldari to join the respective FW force. He might have the latter, though it sounds unlikely. 2) Caldari storylines sound promising. There should be some good agents in and near Amarr space. 3) It'll have to be Caldari data center agents, I think. Unless he has better than -2 modified standing with Khanid or Ammatar. 4) Or COSMOS missions with allied factions. Caldari have some useful missions.
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Aiko Intaki
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Posted - 2009.01.03 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jeran Tek Actually killing Amarr enemies will not help. The only ways I know of gaining faction standing are: 1) FW missions (I think, I haven't done these myself) 2) Complete a Storyline mission (after 16 missions) for that faction or for someone they like. 3) Hand in tags at certain stations (again, something I've not done personally) 4) Complete COSMOS missions for the faction (which needs high standings to start with, I believe)
As I understand it...
1) FW standing gains and losses are different than the default faction standings, though you do need a certain level of faction standing or be in a corp with a certain level of faction standing to work for a given faction. (I'm unsure of this myself, having not participated in FW yet.)
2) Only method I know works, and only if you're liked by one of the target faction's allies.
3) Tag hand in are missions, essentially... I believe you need a certain faction or corp standing level to get the mission to hand in the tags. If you're already KOS to the faction in question, it won't help solve that. (Unless tag turn-ins exist which I am unaware of)
4) You're correct on the faction or corp standings required for COSMOS missions. If you're KOS to the faction, you won't be able to run their COSMOS missions, regardless of your corp standing.
It would be nice to know if method #1 actually works or not. I've pretty much avoided FW and all faction-NPC missions since coming under the impression that you can easily reach a point where faction standing become impossible to correct. A fear of commitment, I guess.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2009.01.03 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: KISOGOKU on 03/01/2009 23:52:26 Try Ammatar corps ,youll get much better derived standings than caldari http://newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml
Originally by: Gensuru
- Get the diplomacy skill to level 4 -Gensuru
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Raijen Ar'Desh
Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: KISOGOKU Edited by: KISOGOKU on 03/01/2009 23:52:26 Try Ammatar corps ,youll get much better derived standings than caldari http://newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml
Originally by: Gensuru
- Get the diplomacy skill to level 4 -Gensuru
I'm in a similar boat for Caladari (-5.12 standing). Two questions.
1) Will diplomacy get me out of KOS from their navy? 2) If not, as I understand it, I can do Amarr or Ammatar storyline missions to raise my Cal. Faction, yes? My amarr faction is even worse, but my Ammatar is only -0.99. If i do Ammatar missions will this raise my Amarr and Cal. Standings to the point where i can go in to their systems to trade without getting shot at?
Is there a FAQ or something for these types of questions I'm missing, I didn't see anything about it in the sticky
Thanks in advance |
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Raijen Ar'Desh
Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 19:43:00 -
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Shameless Bump because I'm still confused. |
Helen
The Tetragrammaton Council
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Posted - 2009.01.09 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Raijen Ar'Desh
I'm in a similar boat for Caladari (-5.12 standing). Two questions.
1) Will diplomacy get me out of KOS from their navy? 2) If not, as I understand it, I can do Amarr or Ammatar storyline missions to raise my Cal. Faction, yes? My amarr faction is even worse, but my Ammatar is only -0.99. If i do Ammatar missions will this raise my Amarr and Cal. Standings to the point where i can go in to their systems to trade without getting shot at?
1) If you do not have diplomacy trained at all then level 4 should get you close or able to run low level caldari missions. 2) Ammatar storylines will raise standings to Amarr/Caldari so you can trade in their stations without getting shot at and indeed if you work on it enough will eventually get positive standings so you can run missions etc.
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Raijen Ar'Desh
Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Helen
Originally by: Raijen Ar'Desh
I'm in a similar boat for Caladari (-5.12 standing). Two questions.
1) Will diplomacy get me out of KOS from their navy? 2) If not, as I understand it, I can do Amarr or Ammatar storyline missions to raise my Cal. Faction, yes? My amarr faction is even worse, but my Ammatar is only -0.99. If i do Ammatar missions will this raise my Amarr and Cal. Standings to the point where i can go in to their systems to trade without getting shot at?
1) If you do not have diplomacy trained at all then level 4 should get you close or able to run low level caldari missions. 2) Ammatar storylines will raise standings to Amarr/Caldari so you can trade in their stations without getting shot at and indeed if you work on it enough will eventually get positive standings so you can run missions etc.
I'll likely just run some ammatar missions while training diplomacy. I've got the standings with the stations i usually refine/trade at for reduced tax/brokerage fees, didn't notice my other standings were tanking to that point untill i took my shuttle to pick up some T2 Drone BPC's (Thank god i found out on my way to pick them up as opposed to after I picked them up).
Needless to say it'll be a bit of a grind, I eventually want to to get to the point i can get into both caladari (shouldn't bee to hard at -5.12) and Amarr space again (Much more difficult at -7 and change seeing as with my skills I have issues with some Level 2 missions :). A few amatarr storylines should get me my caldari rep back up, and eventuallly my Amarr as well. At least I've learned my lesson so that when i start missioniung with my new toon with R&D agents I won't end up exiling myself :)
Thanks for all the advice, time to get to work :) |
Raijen Ar'Desh
Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 22:23:00 -
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As an aside to anyone else having this issue, diplomacy DOES raise your KOS status, one rank brought my Cal state to 4.52, and my Amarr up a signifigant portion as well. Looks like i won't have to do any missions after all (for which i thank god, i hate having to do missions with almost all my SP in science/industry)
Thanks again for all the advice in the thread :)
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Fish Hunter
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:03:00 -
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wouldn't it also work to fleet up with another player and run the missions with them to gain standings? |
Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Raijen Ar'Desh As an aside to anyone else having this issue, diplomacy DOES raise your KOS status, one rank brought my Cal state to 4.52, and my Amarr up a signifigant portion as well. Looks like i won't have to do any missions after all (for which i thank god, i hate having to do missions with almost all my SP in science/industry)
If you do have to do missions, it'd probably be best to do them for a small noncombat corp. For example, the Ammatar Consulate might work out for you. It has a number of noncombat agents (admin, advisory, etc). That means you get a lot more courier missions. Quicker missions means more storylines (that you can do). And since they're "tiny" in size, they love you more than a big impersonal corp would. |
Raijen Ar'Desh
Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2009.01.09 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Originally by: Raijen Ar'Desh As an aside to anyone else having this issue, diplomacy DOES raise your KOS status, one rank brought my Cal state to 4.52, and my Amarr up a signifigant portion as well. Looks like i won't have to do any missions after all (for which i thank god, i hate having to do missions with almost all my SP in science/industry)
If you do have to do missions, it'd probably be best to do them for a small noncombat corp. For example, the Ammatar Consulate might work out for you. It has a number of noncombat agents (admin, advisory, etc). That means you get a lot more courier missions. Quicker missions means more storylines (that you can do). And since they're "tiny" in size, they love you more than a big impersonal corp would.
Diplo 2 actually got me above -5 with both Amarr and Caladari State so it's rather a moot point unless I need to grind another faction to 6.67 for refining if I ever move my base of operations, In which case that'll come in handy :) |
Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Originally by: Raijen Ar'Desh As an aside to anyone else having this issue, diplomacy DOES raise your KOS status, one rank brought my Cal state to 4.52, and my Amarr up a signifigant portion as well. Looks like i won't have to do any missions after all (for which i thank god, i hate having to do missions with almost all my SP in science/industry)
If you do have to do missions, it'd probably be best to do them for a small noncombat corp. For example, the Ammatar Consulate might work out for you. It has a number of noncombat agents (admin, advisory, etc). That means you get a lot more courier missions. Quicker missions means more storylines (that you can do). And since they're "tiny" in size, they love you more than a big impersonal corp would.
This is a very important point. I recently tried to up my Amarr faction because it was about to dip below -5 and I wanted to operate in Amarr space unmolested. I accidentally did a few missions involving Minmatar Republic ships and later checked my standings to find that many of the ships that I killed cost me 2% in Minmatar faction standings, whereas running an Ammatar Mandate storyline only repaired my faction standing by around 1%, and lowered my Minmatar standing by a fraction of that.
On the bright side, once you've figured that out you can run courier missions or astrosurveying/mining agent missions and almost never get missions to kill ships of an opposing faction so you can easily refuse those.
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