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bAExxARn
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:01:00 -
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hi all.
at the moment i have a raven, but i ow my CEO 50milj for it  .
shall i keep it ? and pay it off.
or shall i sell it, pay him off, and buy a scorp?
And how good works a scorp in pvp? anyone have a good setup? happy for answers :)
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bAExxARn
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:01:00 -
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hi all.
at the moment i have a raven, but i ow my CEO 50milj for it .
shall i keep it ? and pay it off.
or shall i sell it, pay him off, and buy a scorp?
And how good works a scorp in pvp? anyone have a good setup? happy for answers :)
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:14:00 -
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I'd go with the Scorp but only because it's the option that doesn't require me parting with 50 million ISK. Scorpions can bring down Ravens too.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:14:00 -
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I'd go with the Scorp but only because it's the option that doesn't require me parting with 50 million ISK. Scorpions can bring down Ravens too.
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bAExxARn
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:16:00 -
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ok, well.. all i need is a crasy good fitting :)
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bAExxARn
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:16:00 -
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ok, well.. all i need is a crasy good fitting :)
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:17:00 -
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raven is better i think personally
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:17:00 -
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raven is better i think personally
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:42:00 -
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Keep The Raven. While the scorpion is a good support battleship you need to focus on EW to much to fight other battleships effectivly. the Raven just blasts everything to hell and back :)
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:42:00 -
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Keep The Raven. While the scorpion is a good support battleship you need to focus on EW to much to fight other battleships effectivly. the Raven just blasts everything to hell and back :)
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Scorpions can bring down Ravens too.
Sure...most any ship can bring down most any other in the right circumstances.
A Scorp is a dangerous foe...no question. Not to be taken lightly but a Raven is probably the best Scorpion killer there is. It tends to be less affected by EW trickery and if it is a straight-up slugfest a Raven will out damage a Scorp.
That is all broadly speaking of course. There is a reason you see plenty of both Ravens and Scorps about in fleets. Hard to go wrong either way...dpends more on your style I suppose than anything else.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.07.23 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Scorpions can bring down Ravens too.
Sure...most any ship can bring down most any other in the right circumstances.
A Scorp is a dangerous foe...no question. Not to be taken lightly but a Raven is probably the best Scorpion killer there is. It tends to be less affected by EW trickery and if it is a straight-up slugfest a Raven will out damage a Scorp.
That is all broadly speaking of course. There is a reason you see plenty of both Ravens and Scorps about in fleets. Hard to go wrong either way...dpends more on your style I suppose than anything else.
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John Blackthorn
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Posted - 2004.07.23 19:06:00 -
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Simple answer really...
Raven is a damage dealer
Scorp is a ecm specialisit.
Raven is weak if you do not have support ships
Scorp is weak if you are unable to jam your target so they can't fire at you
-BT
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John Blackthorn
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Posted - 2004.07.23 19:06:00 -
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Simple answer really...
Raven is a damage dealer
Scorp is a ecm specialisit.
Raven is weak if you do not have support ships
Scorp is weak if you are unable to jam your target so they can't fire at you
-BT
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Beseb
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Posted - 2004.07.23 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: John Blackthorn
Simple answer really...
Raven is a damage dealer
Scorp is a ecm specialisit.
Raven is weak if you do not have support ships
Scorp is weak if you are unable to jam your target so they can't fire at you
-BT
Raven is weak w/o support?! 
Raven is pretty much the strongest all rounder. It can still kill while jammed (fof + drones) better then any other ship.
And while not being jammed? Amongst the elite in ability to dish out damage and still defend itself solidly.
If I was doing a lot of 1v1, I'd probably still opt for the Scorp since there are very few opponents that could escape certain death. Biggest problem is lack of punch, but that's fine because of the power of EW.
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Beseb
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Posted - 2004.07.23 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: John Blackthorn
Simple answer really...
Raven is a damage dealer
Scorp is a ecm specialisit.
Raven is weak if you do not have support ships
Scorp is weak if you are unable to jam your target so they can't fire at you
-BT
Raven is weak w/o support?!
Raven is pretty much the strongest all rounder. It can still kill while jammed (fof + drones) better then any other ship.
And while not being jammed? Amongst the elite in ability to dish out damage and still defend itself solidly.
If I was doing a lot of 1v1, I'd probably still opt for the Scorp since there are very few opponents that could escape certain death. Biggest problem is lack of punch, but that's fine because of the power of EW.
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kanix357
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: kanix357 on 23/07/2004 22:32:51
I have this setup on my raven
High = 6 cruise launchers, 2 425 guns,
Medium = 2 hardners, 1 xl boost, 1 shield amp,AND TWO eucetric cap rechargers
low = 4 power diag II's, 1 ballistic cruise control, and a couple more cap thingies.(Sometimes on low ill stick like 2 more ballistic cruise control systems) and your missles will shoot way faster and always do awesome damage, but this is only if i have another battleship with me) cause i cant tank well like this.
I did one time put 5 ballistic cruise control system on my ship, and ill tell you what, that was like being on steroids. The missles just did uber damage, but for npc hunting its not good, but if you went on a fleet battle, i suggest tryign something like this, and being a bad ass missle boat.
This setup has about 230 cap recharge rate, and the damage is wicked, I jus tneed to get the FOF skill, and start to caryy those missles around. But lately i just npc hunt to bring down my sec status back to zero.
The megathron is just one hard ship to equip correctly, i feel as though if i use 2 co processors, im wasting space, and i just end up using it for mining with armor tanking.
So far raven is the best battleship out of all the ones out there, mayve a arma is better i dont know, i havent flown it yet.
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kanix357
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: kanix357 on 23/07/2004 22:32:51
I have this setup on my raven
High = 6 cruise launchers, 2 425 guns,
Medium = 2 hardners, 1 xl boost, 1 shield amp,AND TWO eucetric cap rechargers
low = 4 power diag II's, 1 ballistic cruise control, and a couple more cap thingies.(Sometimes on low ill stick like 2 more ballistic cruise control systems) and your missles will shoot way faster and always do awesome damage, but this is only if i have another battleship with me) cause i cant tank well like this.
I did one time put 5 ballistic cruise control system on my ship, and ill tell you what, that was like being on steroids. The missles just did uber damage, but for npc hunting its not good, but if you went on a fleet battle, i suggest tryign something like this, and being a bad ass missle boat.
This setup has about 230 cap recharge rate, and the damage is wicked, I jus tneed to get the FOF skill, and start to caryy those missles around. But lately i just npc hunt to bring down my sec status back to zero.
The megathron is just one hard ship to equip correctly, i feel as though if i use 2 co processors, im wasting space, and i just end up using it for mining with armor tanking.
So far raven is the best battleship out of all the ones out there, mayve a arma is better i dont know, i havent flown it yet.
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Nilit
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Posted - 2004.07.24 04:03:00 -
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When I was flying Scorp , I really hated it.
Now I fly Raven and want my Scorp back 
But I know as soon as I get it , I would want to jump into Raven again 
Go figure 
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Nilit
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Posted - 2004.07.24 04:03:00 -
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When I was flying Scorp , I really hated it.
Now I fly Raven and want my Scorp back
But I know as soon as I get it , I would want to jump into Raven again
Go figure
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baagpus
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nilit
When I was flying Scorp , I really hated it.
Now I fly Raven and want my Scorp back
But I know as soon as I get it , I would want to jump into Raven again
Go figure
lol glad I aint the only one - guess the 8 mid slots spoiled me
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baagpus
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nilit
When I was flying Scorp , I really hated it.
Now I fly Raven and want my Scorp back
But I know as soon as I get it , I would want to jump into Raven again
Go figure
lol glad I aint the only one - guess the 8 mid slots spoiled me
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:39:00 -
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I love my Raven, until I open "fitting".
I have electronics 5, engineering 5, weapon upgrades 5 and still it's hard to really fit a Raven well. You can do a lot with the ship though, armor tanking for example opens a whole new dimension (ECM Raven anyone?  )
Scorp is a very good, versatile ship and a lot easier to fit. It's a lot easier to learn PvP in a scorp than it is to learn in a Raven.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:39:00 -
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I love my Raven, until I open "fitting".
I have electronics 5, engineering 5, weapon upgrades 5 and still it's hard to really fit a Raven well. You can do a lot with the ship though, armor tanking for example opens a whole new dimension (ECM Raven anyone? )
Scorp is a very good, versatile ship and a lot easier to fit. It's a lot easier to learn PvP in a scorp than it is to learn in a Raven.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 24/07/2004 16:28:57
The Scorpion is a fantastic ship if you're new to fighting in battleships - those 8 med-slots give you a myriad of options, and allow you to fulfil countless roles in small skirmishes or fleet engagements. It's only real drawback is its lack of firepower, but then that doesn't matter much if the enemy is jammed or losing cap fast. Also, correctly fitted it can drop a Raven, although note 'correctly fitted'.
The Raven is more of a specialist ship, and requires heavy fitting skills to be kitted out properly (I have Electronics, Engineering and Weapon Upgrades all at 5, although the latter isn't that essential anymore with the CPU-changes, but I'd train it anyway to squeeze every drop of CPU out of your bird. Energy Grid 5 is also a good one, since you'll be using PDUs a lot). The Raven hits very, very hard, especially if kitted with Ballistic Controls in the low slots. It can also shield/armour-tank like a beast, although the latter limits your offensive set-up some-what, and as a result is well suited to ECM.
Another advantage is it's ability to achieve near maximum offensive capability even when jammed through the use of FOFs. Only real problem with the Raven is, at range, its dependence on missiles makes it somewhat vulnerable, since they take so long to arrive and the target can just run.
Personally, if you have low skillpoints and/or little experience in a battleship as far as combat is concerned, I'd go for the Scorpion - it's versatile, forgiving and a lot cheaper to replace if you got shot down. When you're feeling confident, then you could consider the transition to the Raven 
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 24/07/2004 16:28:57
The Scorpion is a fantastic ship if you're new to fighting in battleships - those 8 med-slots give you a myriad of options, and allow you to fulfil countless roles in small skirmishes or fleet engagements. It's only real drawback is its lack of firepower, but then that doesn't matter much if the enemy is jammed or losing cap fast. Also, correctly fitted it can drop a Raven, although note 'correctly fitted'.
The Raven is more of a specialist ship, and requires heavy fitting skills to be kitted out properly (I have Electronics, Engineering and Weapon Upgrades all at 5, although the latter isn't that essential anymore with the CPU-changes, but I'd train it anyway to squeeze every drop of CPU out of your bird. Energy Grid 5 is also a good one, since you'll be using PDUs a lot). The Raven hits very, very hard, especially if kitted with Ballistic Controls in the low slots. It can also shield/armour-tank like a beast, although the latter limits your offensive set-up some-what, and as a result is well suited to ECM.
Another advantage is it's ability to achieve near maximum offensive capability even when jammed through the use of FOFs. Only real problem with the Raven is, at range, its dependence on missiles makes it somewhat vulnerable, since they take so long to arrive and the target can just run.
Personally, if you have low skillpoints and/or little experience in a battleship as far as combat is concerned, I'd go for the Scorpion - it's versatile, forgiving and a lot cheaper to replace if you got shot down. When you're feeling confident, then you could consider the transition to the Raven
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:53:00 -
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What the Hell, they are both good ships. I'd pilot either one of them. They both however, take a lot of skills to run properly...
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2004.07.24 16:53:00 -
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What the Hell, they are both good ships. I'd pilot either one of them. They both however, take a lot of skills to run properly...
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.07.24 17:53:00 -
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3 small smartbombs says raven sucks until some kind of HP is put on torps/cruise
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.07.24 17:53:00 -
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3 small smartbombs says raven sucks until some kind of HP is put on torps/cruise
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.07.24 18:05:00 -
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2 ships,different purposes..
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.07.24 18:05:00 -
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2 ships,different purposes..
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bAExxARn
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Posted - 2004.07.24 18:10:00 -
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well.. i dont raven is so hard to pvp in... even tho i havent played so long.
i shield tank (mabey not the best for raven, but works awsome for me) , and i kill fast and hard :) torp dmg is around 600-700.
but i dont know what to do.. i had a scorp once.. in like 2 day's. I thought it suck, cuz i diden have a good setup 
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bAExxARn
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Posted - 2004.07.24 18:10:00 -
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well.. i dont raven is so hard to pvp in... even tho i havent played so long.
i shield tank (mabey not the best for raven, but works awsome for me) , and i kill fast and hard :) torp dmg is around 600-700.
but i dont know what to do.. i had a scorp once.. in like 2 day's. I thought it suck, cuz i diden have a good setup
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.07.24 18:16:00 -
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3 small smartbombs says raven sucks until some kind of HP is put on torps/cruise
I havent fough anyone yet that had 3 smartbombs on.In fact,of those that I fought,didnt even use defenders as far I remember.Yeah that missiles took ages to reach,but they all hit the fat turd.
Iv seen everything on kill mails,from the most common setup to the craziesta,but 3 smartbombs...never.
Maybe those were all n00bs,but I dont think so.Well guess its a matter of choice,and knowing the situation offhand.I tried using defenders with a friend at 60-70 km,and of 6 missiles a round he tossed me,like 3-4 hit me everytime.Its not like my defenders skill is high,but geez,they suck.
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.07.24 18:16:00 -
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3 small smartbombs says raven sucks until some kind of HP is put on torps/cruise
I havent fough anyone yet that had 3 smartbombs on.In fact,of those that I fought,didnt even use defenders as far I remember.Yeah that missiles took ages to reach,but they all hit the fat turd.
Iv seen everything on kill mails,from the most common setup to the craziesta,but 3 smartbombs...never.
Maybe those were all n00bs,but I dont think so.Well guess its a matter of choice,and knowing the situation offhand.I tried using defenders with a friend at 60-70 km,and of 6 missiles a round he tossed me,like 3-4 hit me everytime.Its not like my defenders skill is high,but geez,they suck.
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2004.07.24 18:35:00 -
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FoF...
If I see things going wrong at the outset, I don't wait for lock on. I let fly a battery of FoF Cruise and Heavy missiles.
After that, I got the rest of my ships life to figure out what happened...
HIT FIRST!
QUESTIONS ARE FOR THOSE THAT FEEL A NEED TO MINE!
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2004.07.24 18:35:00 -
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FoF...
If I see things going wrong at the outset, I don't wait for lock on. I let fly a battery of FoF Cruise and Heavy missiles.
After that, I got the rest of my ships life to figure out what happened...
HIT FIRST!
QUESTIONS ARE FOR THOSE THAT FEEL A NEED TO MINE!
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.25 11:02:00 -
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like ma biatch switch said...
smartbombs= dead raven, thats why we seem to b seeing tons of Apocalypses... hate fighting those things.
the problem with a raven is, that u pretty much know that hes gonna be firing torps/cruise, counter this and the raven dies...
raven was a wee bit overpowered, now the smartbomb is.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.25 11:02:00 -
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like ma biatch switch said...
smartbombs= dead raven, thats why we seem to b seeing tons of Apocalypses... hate fighting those things.
the problem with a raven is, that u pretty much know that hes gonna be firing torps/cruise, counter this and the raven dies...
raven was a wee bit overpowered, now the smartbomb is.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.07.25 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
like ma biatch switch said...
smartbombs= dead raven, thats why we seem to b seeing tons of Apocalypses... hate fighting those things.
the problem with a raven is, that u pretty much know that hes gonna be firing torps/cruise, counter this and the raven dies...
raven was a wee bit overpowered, now the smartbomb is.
Aye quite true - if you know you're fighting a Raven (or any Caldari ship for that matter), you know they'll be relying heavily on missiles. However, for a general pottering about setup, I don't know anyone who slaps loads of smartbombs in their high-slots.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.07.25 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
like ma biatch switch said...
smartbombs= dead raven, thats why we seem to b seeing tons of Apocalypses... hate fighting those things.
the problem with a raven is, that u pretty much know that hes gonna be firing torps/cruise, counter this and the raven dies...
raven was a wee bit overpowered, now the smartbomb is.
Aye quite true - if you know you're fighting a Raven (or any Caldari ship for that matter), you know they'll be relying heavily on missiles. However, for a general pottering about setup, I don't know anyone who slaps loads of smartbombs in their high-slots.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.07.25 11:36:00 -
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I watched a 7 smartbomb apoc shread/pod a typhoon. Very fast fight, altho very cap intensive.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.07.25 11:36:00 -
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I watched a 7 smartbomb apoc shread/pod a typhoon. Very fast fight, altho very cap intensive.
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Maniac Insane
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Posted - 2004.07.28 10:25:00 -
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7 smartbombs ? He'd lose to most lol
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Maniac Insane
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Posted - 2004.07.28 10:25:00 -
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7 smartbombs ? He'd lose to most lol
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.07.28 10:54:00 -
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With a decent amount of skills (I would say 8 mill +), the Raven can be setup to make it impossible to kill imho. Now when i say impossible to kill, I mean that it wont always get the kill, but when it cant kill, it can always run. If it can't run, then the ship its facing wont survive the battle.
I have fought many 1v1s in my raven, and not lost a single ship yet. In fact, in the last few days I have fought 2 1v2 fights (tempest + Tempest, and Scorp+Tempest), and taken 3 ships from those encounters.
Its a good versatile ship, the med slots help a lot to give it a nice thought provoking setup options, BUT it is limited on PG big style, and CPU isnt handy either, add to that the insane amount of skill points you need to squeeze a decent setup and a high end DOT, its hardly the be all and end all.
I do love her though, very much.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.07.28 10:54:00 -
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With a decent amount of skills (I would say 8 mill +), the Raven can be setup to make it impossible to kill imho. Now when i say impossible to kill, I mean that it wont always get the kill, but when it cant kill, it can always run. If it can't run, then the ship its facing wont survive the battle.
I have fought many 1v1s in my raven, and not lost a single ship yet. In fact, in the last few days I have fought 2 1v2 fights (tempest + Tempest, and Scorp+Tempest), and taken 3 ships from those encounters.
Its a good versatile ship, the med slots help a lot to give it a nice thought provoking setup options, BUT it is limited on PG big style, and CPU isnt handy either, add to that the insane amount of skill points you need to squeeze a decent setup and a high end DOT, its hardly the be all and end all.
I do love her though, very much.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.28 12:00:00 -
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Dont get too settled in there EddZ.. i heared that they were sposed to be nerfing the Raven by halfing the CPU and power grid in the next patch....
That and they were making Siege launchers 3000 and 500 cpu grid..
they said they would also be making it that u had to fly the ship backwards with ur eyes shut and ur monitor switched off.
Ban the nerfs.
d solo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.28 12:00:00 -
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Dont get too settled in there EddZ.. i heared that they were sposed to be nerfing the Raven by halfing the CPU and power grid in the next patch....
That and they were making Siege launchers 3000 and 500 cpu grid..
they said they would also be making it that u had to fly the ship backwards with ur eyes shut and ur monitor switched off.
Ban the nerfs.
d solo.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.28 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: JoCool on 28/07/2004 12:25:05
If I weren't flying a Raven I'd have one rocket launcher with defenders or a smartbomb fitted at all times. It can be as important for your survival as your shield booster / armor repairer at some times.
You can also use both against frigates. I'm usually very amused to see Apocs engaging in PvP with 8 turrets.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.28 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: JoCool on 28/07/2004 12:25:05
If I weren't flying a Raven I'd have one rocket launcher with defenders or a smartbomb fitted at all times. It can be as important for your survival as your shield booster / armor repairer at some times.
You can also use both against frigates. I'm usually very amused to see Apocs engaging in PvP with 8 turrets.
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Kasundra
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Posted - 2004.08.31 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Dont get too settled in there EddZ.. i heared that they were sposed to be nerfing the Raven by halfing the CPU and power grid in the next patch....
That and they were making Siege launchers 3000 and 500 cpu grid..
they said they would also be making it that u had to fly the ship backwards with ur eyes shut and ur monitor switched off.
d solo.
Lol. Well said.. But :\ for the dodgy changes. Just keeps getting worse!!!
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Kasundra
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Posted - 2004.08.31 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Dont get too settled in there EddZ.. i heared that they were sposed to be nerfing the Raven by halfing the CPU and power grid in the next patch....
That and they were making Siege launchers 3000 and 500 cpu grid..
they said they would also be making it that u had to fly the ship backwards with ur eyes shut and ur monitor switched off.
d solo.
Lol. Well said.. But :\ for the dodgy changes. Just keeps getting worse!!!
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