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Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 17:53:00 - [1] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 17:57:10 UK maths failures 'cost ú2.4bn' So they have a free healthcare? They can drink themselves stupid Nanny state, We cannot punish them, We have a ****ed up education system And they cost us more money to keep alive. AND they cost you your rights. The TRUE price of idiocy, Am I the only person to see all of this? My god. I am not bashing the UK, But whoa we have let our standards slip. I just want to know other people feelings and thoughts.. -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:05:00 - [2] Confirming I read this in the Independent today and am disgusted that these people got into highschool knowing 2+2=4. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:06:00 - [3] You should be bashing the UK, it sucks anus. Mind you you have to realise 2.4b is pittance these days, thats not the point. I personally dont think its the teaching tbh, nearly all of my maths teachers were complete ***s, but they were good i have to give them that. The exams are fairly easy though, (you could get an A in less than 1 week revision - I know because i did). Its not just due to poor education, but also down to the culture that the kids grow up in. Too much TV, too many disractions (on purpose to keep your mind off important issues). Celeb culture teaches kids its ok to be thick as pig ** because anyone can 'make it'.
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:49:00 - [4] news at 12, no one cares Shanzem
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:50:00 - [5] Edited by: Captain Hudson on 05/01/2009 18:50:50 didnt we just come 11th in the world for maths and science at 14? edit: "A recent international study showed that we are leading Europe in maths and science at age 14 and we have risen 11 places in international league tables since 2003 to seventh place. Iv found him
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:56:00 - [6] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:55:54 Originally by: Captain Hudson Edited by: Captain Hudson on 05/01/2009 18:50:50 didnt we just come 11th in the world for maths and science at 14? edit: "A recent international study showed that we are leading Europe in maths and science at age 14 and we have risen 11 places in international league tables since 2003 to seventh place. Anything on the BBC news site is to be taken as joke, its usually a lie or just propaganda. -------------------------------------------
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:55:54 Originally by: Captain Hudson Edited by: Captain Hudson on 05/01/2009 18:50:50 didnt we just come 11th in the world for maths and science at 14? edit: "A recent international study showed that we are leading Europe in maths and science at age 14 and we have risen 11 places in international league tables since 2003 to seventh place. Anything on the BBC news site is to be taken as joke, its usually a lie or just propaganda. bit like yourself then? Iv found him
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:58:45 Originally by: Captain Hudson Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:55:54 Originally by: Captain Hudson Edited by: Captain Hudson on 05/01/2009 18:50:50 didnt we just come 11th in the world for maths and science at 14? edit: "A recent international study showed that we are leading Europe in maths and science at age 14 and we have risen 11 places in international league tables since 2003 to seventh place. Anything on the BBC news site is to be taken as joke, its usually a lie or just propaganda. bit like yourself then? Read the first response how can you clear not see its a joke? -------------------------------------------
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Captain Hudson Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:55:54 Originally by: Captain Hudson Edited by: Captain Hudson on 05/01/2009 18:50:50 didnt we just come 11th in the world for maths and science at 14? edit: "A recent international study showed that we are leading Europe in maths and science at age 14 and we have risen 11 places in international league tables since 2003 to seventh place. Anything on the BBC news site is to be taken as joke, its usually a lie or just propaganda. bit like yourself then? Oh please all media + opinion is propaganda, theres no such thing as 100% truth. geth with the program
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:00:00 - [10] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/poor-maths-skills-cost-britain-16324bn-a-year-says-study-1225807.html from the Independent site on the same topic. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.

Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:03:00 - [11] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Captain Hudson Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:55:54 Originally by: Captain Hudson Edited by: Captain Hudson on 05/01/2009 18:50:50 didnt we just come 11th in the world for maths and science at 14? edit: "A recent international study showed that we are leading Europe in maths and science at age 14 and we have risen 11 places in international league tables since 2003 to seventh place. Anything on the BBC news site is to be taken as joke, its usually a lie or just propaganda. bit like yourself then? Oh please all media + opinion is propaganda, theres no such thing as 100% truth. geth with the program Indeed, there are only varying degrees of distortion. The BBC not so much, Sky a bit further, Fox off the scale. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Thorliaron news at 12, no one cares Shanzem Can tell the English in the thread cant you -------------------------------------------
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:11:00 - [13] Unsurprising really, what do we do about it? Let's face it in a couple of generations the UK is definitely going to be populated by the crew of the Hitchhikers guide 'B Ship'. I love this quote from that first links feedback comments: Quote: I was amazed by the speed with which my students (operating systems course) went from looking slightly confused to completely switched off once I mentioned something wouldn't be in an exam. I was going into detail of things like ZFS on the assumption that people who had opted to do a computer science degree were actually interested in the subject - apparently not. My favourite quote from the entire year though was a complaint from one of my students: I'm paying -ú3,000 a year for this degree. I don't expect to be told to read stuff in a book! ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Quote: I was amazed by the speed with which my students (operating systems course) went from looking slightly confused to completely switched off once I mentioned something wouldn't be in an exam. I was going into detail of things like ZFS on the assumption that people who had opted to do a computer science degree were actually interested in the subject - apparently not. My favourite quote from the entire year though was a complaint from one of my students: I'm paying -ú3,000 a year for this degree. I don't expect to be told to read stuff in a book! Yes, in Highschool I find a common question upon entering something new is "will this be in the exam?". I honestly didn't get why this was important till I saw this - must have been because I was busy paying attention to the lecture and not the class Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Unsurprising really, what do we do about it? Let's face it in a couple of generations the UK is definitely going to be populated by the crew of the Hitchhikers guide 'B Ship'. I love this quote from that first links feedback comments: Quote: I was amazed by the speed with which my students (operating systems course) went from looking slightly confused to completely switched off once I mentioned something wouldn't be in an exam. I was going into detail of things like ZFS on the assumption that people who had opted to do a computer science degree were actually interested in the subject - apparently not. My favourite quote from the entire year though was a complaint from one of my students: I'm paying -ú3,000 a year for this degree. I don't expect to be told to read stuff in a book! Ok thats ****ing sstupid. Students go through 18 years of boring education, but then still dont opt for something they may actually enjoy? GAWD
Rob Z0mbie	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Rob Z0mbie on 05/01/2009 19:23:02 America, is that you? \(o.0)/
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:29:00 - [17] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 19:31:56 Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 19:30:08 Originally by: Dr Slaughter Unsurprising really, what do we do about it? Let's face it in a couple of generations the UK is definitely going to be populated by the crew of the Hitchhikers guide 'B Ship'. I love this quote from that first links feedback comments: Quote: I was amazed by the speed with which my students (operating systems course) went from looking slightly confused to completely switched off once I mentioned something wouldn't be in an exam. I was going into detail of things like ZFS on the assumption that people who had opted to do a computer science degree were actually interested in the subject - apparently not. My favourite quote from the entire year though was a complaint from one of my students: I'm paying -ú3,000 a year for this degree. I don't expect to be told to read stuff in a book! [Serious post - just so people understand] What are you an idiot? you leave to Germany. YOU DO NOT HELP THE ENGLISH DO NOT WASTE YOUR BREATH OR TIME AND ENERGY. Jesus Christ you actually think that small island of idiots is actually going to get better. England is all about drink, idiocy and taxes, Don`t do ones of those then leave. English culture is killing England \o/ [/Serious post] -------------------------------------------
Deverian Tarik Caldari Inversions Industries	Posted - 2009.01.05 20:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:55:54 Anything on the BBC news site is to be taken as joke, its usually a lie or just propaganda. I like how you say this without a touch of irony while linking to an article on it in the OP. -------------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:01:00 - [19] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 21:03:51 Originally by: Deverian Tarik Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:55:54 Anything on the BBC news site is to be taken as joke, its usually a lie or just propaganda. I like how you say this without a touch of irony while linking to an article on it in the OP. Note that none of these sources CITE any figures. or how they gained the statistics. Lying with Numbers: The Role of Statistics in Our Everyday Lives Its a good read may I suggest you start here. if you like the tease i highly recommend doing a piratebay search for the torrent for the pdf of the full book. -------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:20:00 - [20] So... You laugh at people who are rubbish at maths... So you think you're good at maths, eh? What is the definition of an infinitely differentiable Riemann manifold? What is the Hausdorff dimension of the Seirpinski Gasket? Prove that the set {1/n such that n is a natural number} union {0} is compact. ____________________

Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:23:00 - [21] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 21:26:25 Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 21:25:01 Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 21:23:32 Originally by: ReaperOfSly So... You laugh at people who are rubbish at maths... So you think you're good at maths, eh? What is the definition of an infinitely differentiable Riemann manifold? What is the Hausdorff dimension of the Seirpinski Gasket? Prove that the set {1/n such that n is a natural number} union {0} is compact. Dammit man I am not a mathematician (That`s your job!!) (I do Engineering, My maths revolve around sin and cos, physics for fun also enjoy classical mechanics. also Electronic Engineering but that`s just a maths ***** ) But if you have some books i should be reading I demand linkage! also anything to teach me show me I have been Brushing up my maths and advanced maths looks fun -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:28:00 - [22] Originally by: ReaperOfSly What is the definition of an infinitely differentiable Riemann manifold? What is the Hausdorff dimension of the Seirpinski Gasket? Prove that the set {1/n such that n is a natural number} union {0} is compact. Quick - to the Googles! Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: ReaperOfSly What is the definition of an infinitely differentiable Riemann manifold? What is the Hausdorff dimension of the Seirpinski Gasket? Prove that the set {1/n such that n is a natural number} union {0} is compact. Quick - to the Googles! Wiki She holds the treasure -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: ReaperOfSly What is the definition of an infinitely differentiable Riemann manifold? What is the Hausdorff dimension of the Seirpinski Gasket? Prove that the set {1/n such that n is a natural number} union {0} is compact. Quick - to the Googles! Wiki She holds the treasure Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Shanzem [Serious post - just so people understand] What are you an idiot? you leave to Germany.[/Serious post] Err.. probably. ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Shanzem [Serious post - just so people understand] What are you an idiot? you leave to Germany.[/Serious post] Err.. probably. Nah you seem like a decent bloke..you need a pint \o/ I am currently looking up Reaperofsly post. I am more interested the more i read i will post with what i find. -------------------------------------------
Nebulous Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.05 22:08:00 - [27] Originally by: kor anon Its not just due to poor education, but also down to the culture that the kids grow up in. Too much TV, too many disractions (on purpose to keep your mind off important issues). Celeb culture teaches kids its ok to be thick as pig ** because anyone can 'make it'. It is society that has let the population down not TV etc, all systems that revolve around money (pretty much every country in the world) are corrupt and teach us from an early age that we should compete excesively to make more money than each other, %90 of people who are in jail are in there because of crimes related to money. Untill people realise that it is money that creates disgraceful human behaviour then we will always have conflict and society problems. If your good at maths or not should not be important, i'd rather be a decent person and know nothing about maths, than some stuck up ****** banker who knows a lot about maths and thinks he's better than everyone else.(who apparantly are not that good at maths based on the state of our economies).
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 22:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Nebulous Originally by: kor anon Its not just due to poor education, but also down to the culture that the kids grow up in. Too much TV, too many disractions (on purpose to keep your mind off important issues). Celeb culture teaches kids its ok to be thick as pig ** because anyone can 'make it'. It is society that has let the population down not TV etc, all systems that revolve around money (pretty much every country in the world) are corrupt and teach us from an early age that we should compete excesively to make more money than each other, %90 of people who are in jail are in there because of crimes related to money. Untill people realise that it is money that creates disgraceful human behaviour then we will always have conflict and society problems. If your good at maths or not should not be important, i'd rather be a decent person and know nothing about maths, than some stuck up ****** banker who knows a lot about maths and thinks he's better than everyone else.(who apparantly are not that good at maths based on the state of our economies). Agreed that's why i wanted to start fab labs up. People are stuck in there homes like prisons. for a small fee and getting some old electronics together and some raw resources (wood metal etc) they could spend there free time working with a small group building something, it gets them socializing, studying (Adults need help to) its increases the core education behind the masses at the bottom. They could also use it to repair old appliances (instead of paying for new ones). The UK needs something like this to help patch up the damaged social structure. Increases adult, teenager and child education (for a VERY small fee compared to school, college, University) Helping adults of of poverty and into better jobs. Also makes more locvations other then PUBS and CLUBS to go to. This also moves onto invention and ultimately accomplishment and happiness. -------------------------------------------
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 22:35:00 - [29] its a public education thing called "no child left behind" meaning that no child can be held back by the school in which causes failure students to advance in failing. ty carebears maybe i shouldn't of jumped through that gate
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:43:00 - [30] Tbh this is why i'm not that worried about my Maths C1 AS exam this friday, because its gonna be **** easy compared to the past papers i've done, same situation when i did my GCSEs. Hopefully the same for my Phsyics paper Tuesday next week. ---------------------------

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.01.06 05:03:00 - [31] Too many kids being brought up to work in the family business. Even if they fail school good ole' dad is still offering work. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
ouroboros trading Gallente Medics On Fire	Posted - 2009.01.06 05:18:00 - [32] surely people who are bad at maths have propped up the economy by their reckless borrowing and squandering of their own cash? far from 'costing' the economy anything. 307404? That's Numberwang!
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.01.06 05:35:00 - [33] Originally by: mercyonman its a public education thing called "no child left behind" meaning that no child can be held back by the school in which causes failure students to advance in failing. ty carebears That's a cynical and one-dimensional way to view it. When I grew up the system was holding back promising students by giving all resources to failing students. A better route would probably be to evenly spread resources, and make sure that those that fail get extra attention - but same goes for the promising students. I know it got a bit dull when I was in the second grade and had done six years worth of schoolbooks. Until I hit the 7th grade I was spending my time playing games and reading books as I had done it all already. When things got more serious on higher levels I hadn't really studied for five years, so I skipped school and started to work instead. I did quite well, been forward, got contacts, earned quite alot of money etc, but in hindsight.. I'd much rather have stayed in school and got encouraged and got some feedback on how to study. Same goes for pets tbh. You can get a dog that doesnt need much attention, just feed and walk him now and then. Or you get one that needs constant training or he'll go mentally ill. So.. wheeerreeee's joooohnnnnyy?
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.06 06:24:00 - [34] @Shanzem. I have seen for myself a lot of what you're talking about in your various posts. Seriously though, you're preaching to the deaf if you think English (or anyone else in the UK for that matter) will listen. They have been programmed by society to think that everything is peachy and the UK is still top dog in the world at everything. They also think that licking the dogs balls enough will stop it biting them. Such programming is hard to break and they'll only learn the hard way. I'm already off to Europe in the next few days and good riddance to the UK. I would suggest you give up trying to reprogram the Brits and go yourself. Leave them to their fate. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.06 06:43:00 - [35] There is profit to be had in reeducation. I try not to think of it as failure but an opportunity for someone else (that would be me) to succeed. ...but on a serious note, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Adsterine Phantom Squad	Posted - 2009.01.06 14:35:00 - [36] England forever! [URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 17:57:10 UK maths failures 'cost ú2.4bn' So they have a free healthcare? They can drink themselves stupid Nanny state, We cannot punish them, We have a ***ed up education system And they cost us more money to keep alive. AND they cost you your rights. The TRUE price of idiocy, Am I the only person to see all of this? My god. I am not bashing the UK, But whoa we have let our standards slip. I just want to know other people feelings and thoughts.. It's terrible. It appears that standards in the teaching of punctuation have also slipped. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.*


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