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Akularen
Amarr
Carlsberg Intelligence Agency
Frontier Trading and Co Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.06 08:31:00 -
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Hi Fellow EVE players
yesterday, i lost my BS in a mission (ye.. i know what you think  ) and decided, that even though it was fun to use my pulses for making money, i didn't wanted to do it in missions any longer. so i started thinking, what to do next, because i want to make isk... and a h*** lot of 'em! 
i have been thinking about starting out as a miner, and afk mine in high-sec, until i have the money and the knowledge to go low-sec mining. however, as i mentioned earlier, i like to use my lazers to pop someone/something with, so i have been thinking about ratting as well, to get the "fun" part of making isk too.
what do you think? - any suggestions? 
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State Security
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Posted - 2009.01.06 08:49:00 -
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Sure! Don't know if you know about these but there are what I call "All You Can Eat" areas where the rats spawn in a never ending stream. You'll only need to leave when your ammo runs out. Here's where you can look them up too
http://eve.grismar.net/complexes/index.php?navigate_complexes_navigator=next
Find one near where you are, make sure the rats are not to big for you to handle and go have fun. Also just ask in local chat about what spawns there and test it a bit.
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Akularen
Amarr
Carlsberg Intelligence Agency
Frontier Trading and Co Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.06 09:00:00 -
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 Originally by: State Security
Sure! Don't know if you know about these but there are what I call "All You Can Eat" areas where the rats spawn in a never ending stream. You'll only need to leave when your ammo runs out. Here's where you can look them up too
http://eve.grismar.net/complexes/index.php?navigate_complexes_navigator=next
Find one near where you are, make sure the rats are not to big for you to handle and go have fun. Also just ask in local chat about what spawns there and test it a bit.
Thanks!  - i'll give it a try 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.06 09:16:00 -
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read this
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Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.06 10:47:00 -
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I tried this on test server (I'm too poor on tranquility to get one) but carrier rat and salvage in 0.0 works. Chew up 1.2 mill BS's faster than you can blink. A realistic way? I dunno. Like I said, I am poor too. |
Psychotic Turtle
Minmatar
Demonic Retribution
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.01.06 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih
I tried this on test server (I'm too poor on tranquility to get one) but carrier rat and salvage in 0.0 works. Chew up 1.2 mill BS's faster than you can blink. A realistic way? I dunno. Like I said, I am poor too.
I will try to contain myself while repplying to this.
I have fantesies of catching people rating in carriers in the belts you find 1 every few months but very rare.
NEVER EVER rat in a carrier because:
1. neutral enters system, you do not have enough time to warp out usualy since your carrier is so bulky and take a eternity to align, and even if you get out, people like me will logg off in the spot they last scaned your carrier at and wait 15 mins and log back in and make no mistake they will tacckle you and then will hold you down while everyone and their pet dog will come from 50 jumps away to get on the n00b carrier kill.
2. the amount of time a carrier takes to align and warp to next belt is a greater waste of time than killing a rat with a battleship and then warping to next belt. (you actualy make less isk rating in a carrier vs a battleship)
3. Rats sometimes switch agro to your fighters and losing 1 fighter puts you at -20Mil for that day (yes i was once a noob rating with fighters assigned from a friendly carrier at pos, this was a very long time ago).
4. Almost all 00 alliances will kick you from alliance if spoted rating in a carrier.
5. Its just a all around horrible idea.
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WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.06 19:06:00 -
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in december i made 6 bil without undocking my ship, that equivilant to 600 man hours of mining(or 60 days of mining for 10 hours a day) in high sec with maxed out skill. 
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Phil Exon
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Posted - 2009.01.06 19:41:00 -
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go to a mission hub and start buying loot at below the recycle rate. Which basically means you get ore with 10-30% off the market price after reprocessing. Build ships, sell them at full price. Never need to undock but must have patience to crunch numbers in excell and monitor your buy orders non-stop as there is competition.
I expect 100mil reward for the hint of course
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.01.06 19:47:00 -
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buy low
sell high
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BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.01.06 20:13:00 -
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Trading.
I started this account for the express purpose of trading - just to experiment. I didn't expect to make muhc money at all, especially since I didn't really know what I was doing. I started with 2m isk. By the end of the week, I had 120m isk in assets. (Important: In assets, not liquid capital) Later on, I would move 400-600m in assets a day - and compared to some other traders, those amounts are still considered tiny.
These days I don't make quite as much as I used to because I've grown bored with the process, and I don't spend as much time doing this kind of work. But, if I ever feel the need to crank out some cash, I can.
No getting shot at, no praying for an officer drop, no having to haul massive quantities of minerals around, I can go AFK whenever I need, no teammates letting me down, no clicking the scanner button ever 5 seconds, no wasting hours of my life scanning down an exploration site. Hell, I don't even need to undock. It is the ultimate CareBear profession. 
As for the rest of them:
Mining: Boring, and if you want to make any real money, you need to pour tons of skill points into mining skills.
Missioning: Boring, especially since they're all the same (I'm looking forward to CCPs improvements here). L4s can be lucrative, though.
Exploration: Very time consuming, and you may end up with little more than a consolation prize in the end - even in low/null sec. Don't bother with high sec exploration. It isn't worth your time.
Pirating: I think that most people here would agree that PewPew PvP is not a good way to make cash - but then again, other people seem to do well. Me, I just blow up a lot, because I'm Doing It Wrong.
Mercenary Work: I have never worked for a mercenary corporation; perhaps someone who has would be willing to chime in? The problem is, unless you're good, you will not only lose ships but your pay will be low.
Research: Another thing I have never tried, but some people seem to do well with it. At the very least, I know that a lot of people make some extra zero-effort cash using research agents.
Manufacturing: In my experience, unless you have maxed out skills and easy access to all the materials you need, you're better off doing something else. You're going to be undersold to the point where you're losing money. Then again, Maybe I'm Doing It Wrong.
And a few less savory things:
Ninja Salvaging: I don't know how much these guys make, but if it wasn't profitable people wouldn't be doing it. However, I think they do it more for entertainment value than anything else.
Scamming: Contract scamming is popular. I have never tried it, but it must be successful at least part of the time because I see the same people pulling the same scams over and over and over and over. You can also try some more personal scams - promise something in return at a later date for an investment today. Hell - try a Ponzi scheme. I've heard they work wonders, if you can pull them off!
Corporation Thievery: Join a corporation, play along for a while, get access to the hangar, steal it all and liquidate. Repeat as necessary. Note that this is not recommended for anyone with the ability to feel guilt, or the inability to withstand hatemail.
Note: I can't believe that I didn't put pirating into the 'Less Savory' section. Well, what can I say. At least the pirates are up front and honest about what they want!
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FunzzeR
Counter Errorist Unit
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Posted - 2009.01.06 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: FunzzeR on 06/01/2009 20:29:33
Originally by: RaTTuS
buy low
sell high
This.
Having access to a spreadsheeting program and knowing how to use it, makes the process of spotting opportunities very easy.
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Vyktor Abyss
IONSTAR
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.06 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Trading.
No getting shot at, no praying for an officer drop, no having to haul massive quantities of minerals around, I can go AFK whenever I need, no teammates letting me down, no clicking the scanner button ever 5 seconds, no wasting hours of my life scanning down an exploration site. Hell, I don't even need to undock. It is the ultimate CareBear profession.
No offense but playing a space game where you don't even undock seems like a waste of time to me and 99% of other players. That behaviour isn't carebearing, it is just a dull waste of your life and play time.
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.06 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: State Security
Sure! Don't know if you know about these but there are what I call "All You Can Eat" areas where the rats spawn in a never ending stream. You'll only need to leave when your ammo runs out. Here's where you can look them up too
http://eve.grismar.net/complexes/index.php?navigate_complexes_navigator=next
Find one near where you are, make sure the rats are not to big for you to handle and go have fun. Also just ask in local chat about what spawns there and test it a bit.
This list is quite dated. Static plexes with a rating higher than 4/10 have been moved to exploration.
...or was it 5/10?
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.06 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: State Security
Sure! Don't know if you know about these but there are what I call "All You Can Eat" areas where the rats spawn in a never ending stream. You'll only need to leave when your ammo runs out. Here's where you can look them up too
http://eve.grismar.net/complexes/index.php?navigate_complexes_navigator=next
Find one near where you are, make sure the rats are not to big for you to handle and go have fun. Also just ask in local chat about what spawns there and test it a bit.
This list is quite dated. Static plexes with a rating higher than 4/10 have been moved to exploration.
...or was it 5/10?
Who knows? perhaps just get your friends "higher up" to spawn 1000/10 complexes and rat away :D
to the OP: here's a suggestion for making some money. I am about to quit EVE due to RL pressures outwith my control. I currently have 15bn in liquid assets that I have decided to shift to other players (I am not planning on returning, ever, basically). There's more on the way as I liquidate my other assets. Basically, as a sign of good faith, send me any sum of money (at least 10m), and I shall return five times the amount. That's it, it's that simple! I'm an altruistic soul and would love to help my fellow capsuleers. Look forward to hearing from you soon :)
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.01.06 21:04:00 -
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fastest way to get rich, unless youre hardcore industry, is to:
- get into a high DPS AF (Ishkur is my favourite for this)
- sneak into some alliance's space through a backdoor
- "im in your spacez, huntin yourz ratz"
i recommend AF over anything else due to its mobility, and great DPS for bounties up to 1.5 mill. anything higher will take longer, but it's still worth it.
ratting with salvaging is a very quick way to get money in these situations. a few hours a day for two days should get your BS back. this is all i do to fund my pvp in empire (somebody stop me!). when i see my wallet dippin below 100mill, i rat for a day, get 50-100mill, gg.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.01.06 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
No offense but playing a space game where you don't even undock seems like a waste of time to me and 99% of other players. That behaviour isn't carebearing, it is just a dull waste of your life and play time.
Quite the contrary. It is an efficient way to make money - I don't even have to be logged in to this account to do it. I shuffle the profits over to my main, who actually does do something fun on occasion.
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Bo'Tox
Amarr
Arkor Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.07 00:09:00 -
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I know, I'm boring. I like to Mine!
The QR release of the extended belts make them seem a little bit better. More rocks spaced further apart make it seema little bit more realistic (although a belt around a planet would be better asthetically and realistically...)
Strip Mining certain asteroids (Veldspar types) with drones at the ready in high sec is the perfect pasttime for playing and watching your fav TV shows at the same time (NCIS anyone?)
Allows me to watch my shows and get my fix of Eve during the ad breaks.....
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Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.07 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Turtle
Originally by: Ocih
I tried this on test server (I'm too poor on tranquility to get one) but carrier rat and salvage in 0.0 works. Chew up 1.2 mill BS's faster than you can blink. A realistic way? I dunno. Like I said, I am poor too.
I will try to contain myself while repplying to this.
I have fantesies of catching people rating in carriers in the belts you find 1 every few months but very rare.
NEVER EVER rat in a carrier because:
1. neutral enters system, you do not have enough time to warp out usualy since your carrier is so bulky and take a eternity to align, and even if you get out, people like me will logg off in the spot they last scaned your carrier at and wait 15 mins and log back in and make no mistake they will tacckle you and then will hold you down while everyone and their pet dog will come from 50 jumps away to get on the n00b carrier kill.
2. the amount of time a carrier takes to align and warp to next belt is a greater waste of time than killing a rat with a battleship and then warping to next belt. (you actualy make less isk rating in a carrier vs a battleship)
3. Rats sometimes switch agro to your fighters and losing 1 fighter puts you at -20Mil for that day (yes i was once a noob rating with fighters assigned from a friendly carrier at pos, this was a very long time ago).
4. Almost all 00 alliances will kick you from alliance if spoted rating in a carrier.
5. Its just a all around horrible idea.
Align times wasn't the problem I had on Test. My Test carrier pilot only had Capital 4 but her aligns were compareable to a P3 BS. I tried it at an onboard anomoly scan as well because the biggest problem was keeping things in front of me to shoot at.
I could be wrong but having 9 fighters pummeling your HIC is going to make it sort of hard to keep me tackled long enough for 50 of your friends to get through 10 systems of red, Sov space..
I'm sure there is an element of danger but it has been my exerience that ratting in general is a PvP failure when the blob arrives. It doesn't matter if I am in a Geddon or an Archon, once the reds show up its dock and log.
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All these grand schemes to make money in the market?
Tried em.
It's an over used system. Maybe at one time it was achievable. Now, the competitions are simply too high to make it real. Pretty much every loot in every system has buy/ Sell orders within 1% of each other. They are theories, not working strategies anymore. There is a reason people are logged in 23/7 in Jita. They are playing the .01 ISK war. Might as well be mining if you are logged in 23/7. |
Psychotic Turtle
Minmatar
Demonic Retribution
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.01.07 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Psychotic Turtle
Originally by: Ocih
I tried this on test server (I'm too poor on tranquility to get one) but carrier rat and salvage in 0.0 works. Chew up 1.2 mill BS's faster than you can blink. A realistic way? I dunno. Like I said, I am poor too.
I will try to contain myself while repplying to this.
I have fantesies of catching people rating in carriers in the belts you find 1 every few months but very rare.
NEVER EVER rat in a carrier because:
1. neutral enters system, you do not have enough time to warp out usualy since your carrier is so bulky and take a eternity to align, and even if you get out, people like me will logg off in the spot they last scaned your carrier at and wait 15 mins and log back in and make no mistake they will tacckle you and then will hold you down while everyone and their pet dog will come from 50 jumps away to get on the n00b carrier kill.
2. the amount of time a carrier takes to align and warp to next belt is a greater waste of time than killing a rat with a battleship and then warping to next belt. (you actualy make less isk rating in a carrier vs a battleship)
3. Rats sometimes switch agro to your fighters and losing 1 fighter puts you at -20Mil for that day (yes i was once a noob rating with fighters assigned from a friendly carrier at pos, this was a very long time ago).
4. Almost all 00 alliances will kick you from alliance if spoted rating in a carrier.
5. Its just a all around horrible idea.
Align times wasn't the problem I had on Test. My Test carrier pilot only had Capital 4 but her aligns were compareable to a P3 BS. I tried it at an onboard anomoly scan as well because the biggest problem was keeping things in front of me to shoot at.
I could be wrong but having 9 fighters pummeling your HIC is going to make it sort of hard to keep me tackled long enough for 50 of your friends to get through 10 systems of red, Sov space..
I'm sure there is an element of danger but it has been my exerience that ratting in general is a PvP failure when the blob arrives. It doesn't matter if I am in a Geddon or an Archon, once the reds show up its dock and log.
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All these grand schemes to make money in the market?
Tried em.
It's an over used system. Maybe at one time it was achievable. Now, the competitions are simply too high to make it real. Pretty much every loot in every system has buy/ Sell orders within 1% of each other. They are theories, not working strategies anymore. There is a reason people are logged in 23/7 in Jita. They are playing the .01 ISK war. Might as well be mining if you are logged in 23/7.
All the power to ya man, go for it, rat in your carrier and see what happens in less than 7 days.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.07 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih
I tried this on test server (I'm too poor on tranquility to get one) but carrier rat and salvage in 0.0 works. Chew up 1.2 mill BS's faster than you can blink. A realistic way? I dunno. Like I said, I am poor too.
Lol carrier ratting. Makes for some good killmails alright. |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.08 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Ocih
I tried this on test server (I'm too poor on tranquility to get one) but carrier rat and salvage in 0.0 works. Chew up 1.2 mill BS's faster than you can blink. A realistic way? I dunno. Like I said, I am poor too.
Lol carrier ratting. Makes for some good killmails alright.
You get many of em?
Still, don't anyone do it. It would increase productivity. Can't have that in dog ****er EvE. The fact that there is so much argument tells me it's a good strategy.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.08 20:54:00 -
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Sell GTCs. Or find an exploit.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Pirating: I think that most people here would agree that PewPew PvP is not a good way to make cash - but then again, other people seem to do well. Me, I just blow up a lot, because I'm Doing It Wrong.
Mercenary Work: I have never worked for a mercenary corporation; perhaps someone who has would be willing to chime in? The problem is, unless you're good, you will not only lose ships but your pay will be low.
Ninja Salvaging: I don't know how much these guys make, but if it wasn't profitable people wouldn't be doing it. However, I think they do it more for entertainment value than anything else.
Well, what can I say. At least the pirates are up front and honest about what they want!
Pirating: not many would call war deccing pirating, but you did say pvp, so im going to run with it. i have made about 600-800 mil in the last month or so just off that and ninja salvaging when theres no targets. if your Doing It Right and dont lose ships you can indeed make money from pvp, especially in high sec where people run around in gravy ravens with faction mods galore.
Ninja Salvaging or What They Don't Want You To Know
find a decent mission at a mission hub and ninja salvage in a fast frig, you can make 10-20 mil off just the salvage if your lucky from all of 15 minutes of 'work'. this is of course contingent upon finding the mission, but theres alot of people who dont salvage, and even if they do most dont do it as they go. check the cargos for nice mods like arbi cruise. most people wont agress you either... and if they do my bet is your pvp fit BS will beat their faction modded gravy raven which is tanked specifically for that mission.
Merc Work:
as a former REPO employee i can say that you can make SOME money doing it, and at least at the time i was in there it was hardly effort. the downside is with a corp/alliance the size of repo your 'piece of the pie' gets small. still can be easy money, and your pie slice will get larger if you killmail *****. in a small corp it can pay well, and if Your Doing It Right you shouldnt have many loses.
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Nva Ris
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Trading.
No getting shot at, no praying for an officer drop, no having to haul massive quantities of minerals around, I can go AFK whenever I need, no teammates letting me down, no clicking the scanner button ever 5 seconds, no wasting hours of my life scanning down an exploration site. Hell, I don't even need to undock. It is the ultimate CareBear profession.
No offense but playing a space game where you don't even undock seems like a waste of time to me and 99% of other players. That behaviour isn't carebearing, it is just a dull waste of your life and play time.
yes but it is a rich, rich e-life so who cares
now i undock ... in my personal jump freighter ... and slowly drift it towards my home base in 0.0 where i have billions of ISK waiting for me in form of ships and equipment ... and i smile and wave at passersby from my JF and think how great it is that i don't have to touch another rat, roid, or sell order for a year
it is all about having those long term goals
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:18:00 -
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You can't. All ISK in EVE is evil.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:24:00 -
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Alot of people will give you ratting tips or advise you to go into trade and manufacture but they're n00bs
The real isk is made by offering to strip on webcam for isk, oh yeah, its every trillonaires secret source of income |
Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.08 23:25:00 -
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Prostitution, everyone has a price. |
Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2009.01.09 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
buy high
sell low
FIXED.
Now someone will make money, but it will be a surprise to find out who! |
Cyprus Black
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.09 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 09/01/2009 05:50:34
Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Ninja Salvaging: I don't know how much these guys make, but if it wasn't profitable people wouldn't be doing it. However, I think they do it more for entertainment value than anything else.
Actually, ninja salvaging is quite profitable. Maybe not so much for veteran players, but very much so for newer players. On some days I haul in zero isk. Other times I haul in roughly 20 to 40 million isk per day (including stolen loot). It largely depends on system population, L4 agent population, time of day, and the security rating.
It's an easy profession to get into with very little skills and investment required. As for mission runner tears, I personally don't enjoy them. I ignore local and cancel incoming convos.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.09 06:08:00 -
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The quickest way of making isk in eve is to get a rl job and put in a bit of overtime (if you get paid for it that is). Depending on your skills, you can net anywhere between 3-700 mil an hour
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