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Tribalist
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Posted - 2009.03.03 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Tribalist
Throughout this thread the issue is constantly being direvrted. We do not care that Mining was discussed, or that fitting tool will be revamped.
If you notice, people questioned an action done by the CSM based on a strawman. If I let that incorrect perception become a truth by not pointing out the obvious fault in the reasoning, the CSM is worse off.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Correcting someone & staying on topic is possible, all that is needed is the realization that the topic at hand is more important than the reputation of the CSM.
Getting the "Flogged to Death POS System" pushed into CCP's agenda and representing the players who placed you in the postion to represent them would demonstrate that the CSM is not a waste but actually does benefit the community.
Now, how can you help me, and the other players that are pushing for a revamp of the POS system?
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.03.03 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tribalist Now, how can you help me, and the other players that are pushing for a revamp of the POS system?
He cant, it has become painfully apparent that LV wants to please CCP more than he wants to help the players. Unless, of course, the line in question coincides with his own. Sorry LV, but I can't let you forget your own statement, about appearing to throw a tantrum. There are ways to push for an answer without appearing to be like a "spoiled child", as you put it. It takes tact, forethought, and some degree of grace.
Unfortunately, I think, some CSM have indeed forgotten what they are there for, to serve the greater EVE community, and not just "some" projects. To make sure the EVE community is respected, and deeply needed changes brought to the attention of the CCP.
It is OK if CCP says NO, it is not OK if CCP just brushes CSM off. It is OK if CCP says NO, and gives thorough explanation, and not just "too hard" and "too much work." So, I just hope that EVE players realize that and will push other CSMs to respectfully request a thorough dev blog on the current POS issue, AKA "Bunch Of Junk Strewn In Space" AKA "The Dead Horse" AKA "Dead Horse: Redux."
The more vocal the community, the sooner CCP will realize that this issue will not just go away, hey it has been around for a while... 2 years + and going strong, and the more CSM might actually realize how badly we need the POS revamp.
Until then, keep on flogging.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.03.05 04:39:00 -
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I read this interview with CCP Hammer and thought of this issue.
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Kuan Yin
Amarr Siswai Technology Zzz
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Posted - 2009.03.05 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I read this interview with CCP Hammer and thought of this issue.
Yeah nice article. If you fought for us this hard we'd have a new POS system by late next week.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I read this interview with CCP Hammer and thought of this issue.
Originally by: linke interview
“Okay, would you rather have walk-in stations that we’ve been talking about for so long or do you want this planetary ring thing?” And they go “Oh okay. Well, in 2011, I want to fly through planetary rings.”
this is exactly it. actualy it's what CCP thinks is best and the CSM can only influence minor things. that's why persisting on the POS redesign is important. fancy new features have precedense over fixing important game mechanics ... great game design ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Sky Katrona
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
this is exactly it. actualy it's what CCP thinks is best and the CSM can only influence minor things. that's why persisting on the POS redesign is important. fancy new features have precedense over fixing important game mechanics ... great game design ...
Unfortunately this is the sad truth. CCP keeps trying to expand the game and add new cool features rather than of making sure that current features work well and make sense.
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 21:26:00 -
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Katrona
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
this is exactly it. actualy it's what CCP thinks is best and the CSM can only influence minor things. that's why persisting on the POS redesign is important. fancy new features have precedense over fixing important game mechanics ... great game design ...
Unfortunately this is the sad truth. CCP keeps trying to expand the game and add new cool features rather than of making sure that current features work well and make sense.
Quoted for the truth of it
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Ehris Bok
Stellar Research Incorporated DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.26 00:58:00 -
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Mr Spot
I Blame Chum
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Posted - 2009.03.26 02:29:00 -
[100]
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Megan Maynard
Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:15:00 -
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For the love of god put this into the game ccp.
NAOW! Stop, hammer time. |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 26/03/2009 19:01:17 I seem to recall a CCP dev mentioning that the POS code is HUGE. Clearly a redesign would be a very large undertaking.
That said they did write all that code in the first place so while a huge task it is a task they can manage else we would not even have POS.
POS are clearly an integral part of EVE now. They are not some fringe thing a few players dabble in but rather a fundamental basis in the game for thousands of players and numerous corps/alliances.
And that despite POS (and by extension Sov) mechanics being horrendous.
I am sure CCP has a lot on their plate. Even so this is well worth an effort. Whatever changes may come this is absolutely money well spent.
ETA: As for CSM it is their responsibility to bring this to the Devs if the community demands it in sufficient strength. I think the Devs will understand that the CSM is merely carrying out their mandate and not hold it against individual CSM members that they are bringing something the Devs already said no to. The Devs can of course say "no" again and be done with it but at least it sends the message to them that the playerbase keeps this particular issue high on their "want" list. As any business it behooves them to pay attention to what their customers want whether they can deliver on it or not.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.03.28 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h As for CSM it is their responsibility to bring this to the Devs if the community demands it in sufficient strength. I think the Devs will understand that the CSM is merely carrying out their mandate and not hold it against individual CSM members that they are bringing something the Devs already said no to. The Devs can of course say "no" again and be done with it but at least it sends the message to them that the playerbase keeps this particular issue high on their "want" list. As any business it behooves them to pay attention to what their customers want whether they can deliver on it or not.
highlighted important stuff.....
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Syberbolt8
Gallente Gen Tec Arcos Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.29 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: LaVista Vista I read this interview with CCP Hammer and thought of this issue.
Originally by: linke interview
ôOkay, would you rather have walk-in stations that weÆve been talking about for so long or do you want this planetary ring thing?ö And they go ôOh okay. Well, in 2011, I want to fly through planetary rings.ö
this is exactly it. actualy it's what CCP thinks is best and the CSM can only influence minor things. that's why persisting on the POS redesign is important. fancy new features have precedense over fixing important game mechanics ... great game design ...
I would understand them saying flat out no if we asked for it next week, but we can wait, we just want them to start work in it.
How long it takes is no issue as long as the current pos's get the job done. But at this point, its like they are ignoring pos's and how bad they are in favor of new stuff. I do understand the importance of new content but CCP do need to think of all the players that end up running all these pos's.
They said that they would like sov mech and pos's to be addressed post trinity and we have seen nothing changed.
If anything All I and a lot of others want is a simple answer, if not today then when will our stick pos's be replaced with something that looks like a player owned station, and when will you quit disappointing new players who get excited about seeing there first pos only to be let down with the junk in space that it is today. Support the DEAD HORSE POS's |
Re'taka
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.03.31 06:30:00 -
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This was on the wrong page, saying that, the 3rd CSM should bring this to CCP, we will see if they fair better the our current CSM...
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Xahara
StarFleet Enterprises StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Xahara on 02/04/2009 18:00:24 Entirely supported! Screw Walking in Stations :D
EDIT: damn support button :)
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Cryten Jones
Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2009.04.03 11:26:00 -
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To be honest this is what the POS's should have been like from the start!
Whilst I am happy the CCP implimented the Starbases back in the day rather than holding it until something like this sugestion was possible we are now a long way down the line and given that POS mechanics are being looked at AND there are the homesteads (oh god I want these) on the long term list can this all not just be rolled up together??
I guess the issue is how do you change something that is out there in such heavy use...
So how about a reboot of the POS system by implimenting the new ideas as a whole new system along with the changes to POS machanics and some 'candy' so that the playerbase would naturaly move over from one to the other then retire the old system some time later??
Anyway, just wanted to add my support to an idea that is fundemental win on so many levels.
-CJ
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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Imertu Solientai
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Posted - 2009.04.04 15:54:00 -
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Supported, even though I think CCP are too busy making stupid features like combat simulator (wtf) and ambulation.
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Cailais
Diablo Advocatus Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 22:56:00 -
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It might not equate to removing or replacing the current POS - but Id still fully support CCP introducing a "modular station" system.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.04.05 00:40:00 -
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signed bye me and my 4953048 accounts
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.05 05:08:00 -
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This needs a proper look at from CCP, with a detailed response with what it would take, in time and company resources. ===============
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Syberbolt8
Gallente Gen Tec Arcos Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.10 01:18:00 -
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Bump, Best pos idea in the game IMO. Support the DEAD HORSE POS's |
maximus greed
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Posted - 2009.04.18 17:05:00 -
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still dosent get any better than this
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2009.04.19 03:32:00 -
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Patri
A fool usually thinks he is a genius |
theshadowduke
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Posted - 2009.06.19 10:08:00 -
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After three years of posts in the original thread, I think its time the devs seriously considered this. Dismissing this as "too hard" is the lazy way out. I'm sorry that its too hard, but ya know what? This is what POS's should have been from the get go. As for the CSM, if they don't bring this up again, then they need to be replaced. I'm sorry that you are afraid the devs wont like you, tough, your job is to represent US, not kiss their butt.
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Syberbolt8
Gallente The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2009.06.20 12:01:00 -
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bump, we still want the csm to take this back to ccp... Support the DEAD HORSE POS's |
Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2009.06.22 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Luzz Bightyear Looking back at the issue with POS reactors, CCP could fix that and untold other bugs we don't yet know about by using this idea.
A better concept doesn't help buggy code. It just introduces more bugs.
As for this issue, I'm against it. We already talked to CCP about it and the answer was clear. If we raise it again, we will look like spoiled children who wont accept a no.
While the concept is nice and all, I don't think we should risk the good relation between CSM and CCP by not respecting their answer.
Sorry no. Since Dead Horse appeared there have been massive changes to the game code and art assets. Indeed when you were posting on the original thread as part of (I think) CSM1 it was STILL pre-trinity.
This isn't "too hard" or "too difficult" nor is it "CSM doesn't want to be seen like spoiled children" it's actually "can't be bothered" and "I've got my own pet project to get noticed"... |
ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.06.22 23:56:00 -
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The reson for not implementing this according to CCP was the fact that to do what is proposed would require a whole rewwrite to currant POS mechanics and a compleately new set of artwork that would "redirect resources from other important tasks" as well as figuring out what to do with existing POS's in space. ( and dont forget lads there are alot)
personly i honestly dont buy most of it thought i do agree that figuring out what to do with the exisiting POS's is a legit issue for the implementation. though this was asked for WAY before the new art upgrade for the POS's came out and then some and everyone most of the EVE community does want a POS overhaul as it is. |
Xiese
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.08 08:02:00 -
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So is the CSM going to bring this up again in a way that lets us players know wtf is going on with our dead horse? -
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.07.08 10:51:00 -
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comfirming that I will vote 'no', should this be brought up in the CSM.
As cool as the idea is, the sheer amount of work involved in realising this can not be justified by the relatively minor payoff (yah POS's will look slightly cooler... woohoo). Director of Education :: EVE University
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