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Tank CEO
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2009.01.09 06:29:00 -
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T1 Ship Arena's, 2v2's, 5v5's, 10v10's. Allow bets, ect. Dont make us wait 6 months for a tournament
Add a area in high-sec where people can go and fight each other in deadspace. Have rules that you can implement such as t1 ships only. Frigates only, Cruiser t1 only, so on and so fourth.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2009.01.09 06:34:00 -
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lowsec: its one big arena __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
Tank CEO
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2009.01.09 06:39:00 -
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Correction, one blob arena, at least with FW.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2009.01.09 08:03:00 -
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There is actually a lowsec system called ARENA. It's in Derelik IIRC. |
Deimi
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Posted - 2009.01.09 12:04:00 -
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Heloo TankCEO
Good idea and I have suggested something similar before.
One such area should be duplicated in and perhaps spawned in the same way as a deadspace pocken in a mission. It would provide the setting both for tournaments, and for nooblets to try out and learn Pvp safly, without the need for that jet can mess we have right now.
You think one step further than myself and that is "no implants boosters allowed", good thiking dunno how it would be implemented for those 'not so rich' they might have some low one installed yet not have jumplones yet - that can take a while for some I guess.
Else from all that, full support and good for the game as a whole, please let it happen. |
IroN HiDE
Fat J Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.09 18:37:00 -
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I think this is the best idea I have heard in a long time. One of the big problems with pvp in eve is that the reward level is all player satisfaction, will little or no monitary reward to keep pvping. Doesn't it make you mad when you win a pvp battle, check the wreck and all you get is a T2 gun and some ammo... then you look at the kill mail and all the faction loot the player had fitted blew up.
you always have to go back to ratting or missions in order to get isk.
I think an arena idea would create a way for pvp only playes to gain an income besides selling mods.
allow noob players to practice skills in a controlled environment before getting blobed in 0.0
create a form of equal pvp... 0.0 pvp is almost always who has the biggest group. This idea would bring out some of the skills nessisary for tournies on a wide scale basis.
props tank i hope they listen IRON |
Hesperius
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Posted - 2009.01.09 18:58:00 -
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It would be great to enter regulated matches. Although a implant/rig free should have its own class when entering. I do not think people who don't have JC would want to yank their implants.
Interesting that none of the wow salesmen have dropped by yet to encourage them to go play their game, usually happens in these kinds of requests. |
Macmuelli
Gallente Meltd0wn The Black Isle
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Posted - 2009.01.09 18:59:00 -
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an arena would be great, also if the player can set the rules or limitation of the fights.
a long and difficult read to a similar system behind this link, some of it is worth keeping alive in an similar system
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=919563
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2009.01.09 19:34:00 -
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I dislike the idea actually. There should be no instances in EVE. Player corporations and alliances can hold tournaments, of course, but the enforcement of rules should be up to the players themselves. Cheating must be allowed and players must appoint skilled referees with ship scanners and tackle gear. Bribery of referees must also be possible. |
Icarus Flame
Amarr Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:18:00 -
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If you want duels, flip a can. Afraid of cheating? STFU and deal with it.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.01.10 00:22:00 -
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No from me.
There's plenty of people in Eve interested in competition combat - seek them out and organise a competition. Hell, you might even make some isk doing it. Eve's a sandbox; whilst the can flipping mechanic might be a little crude, it would do the job and the more the community creates and the less CCP have to interfere, the better in my opinion.
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Sedious Bloke
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Posted - 2009.01.10 04:14:00 -
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*FAILSTAMP* you get a bigger one than most and even get a pretty yellow star |
Inara Subaka
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I dislike the idea actually. There should be no instances in EVE. Player corporations and alliances can hold tournaments, of course, but the enforcement of rules should be up to the players themselves. Cheating must be allowed and players must appoint skilled referees with ship scanners and tackle gear. Bribery of referees must also be possible.
Not much more needs to be said outside of this tbqfh.
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Erika Bronz
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Erika Bronz on 10/01/2009 12:02:31 Instanced PvP killed the fun of PvPing in WoW, why should EVE repeat it? |
Min Sara
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:21:00 -
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First arenas than posibility of finding a magic item when the asteroid is mined out, than have orcs come in from wormholes, than elf's come in to save us.
I can wait when those are on it will be so much fun o goode....
Go to 0.0 kill something or make a corp, war dec someone. Hell go mining for all I care.
people keep forgetting these is a space thing game. Iven CCP forgets that sometimes and trows in almowst illogical rules and items.
Yeah you can make some sorth of faction competition Like a "amarr tournament" or "caldari trials" or something where you sign in and take part. but to make that in eve universe completly cutoff from rest of the players is stupid. If I wanna put up a fleet and go crash on that tournament I should be able to. Its freakin space not like you put a fence arround it and keep people out.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.10 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 10/01/2009 13:49:54 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 10/01/2009 13:48:40 The only reason I have trouble with the concept is that if done purely for more PvP, it rather implies the rest of freeform PvP is broken (and I'd rather like that to be fixed for small gangs). However, I can cope with tournaments and thus have no direct objection to player-run tournaments in some deadspace pocket or wormhole area.
We'd not have alliance or cruiser tournaments or duels if they weren't fun, and done right can be observed, bet on, and so on. It could be a new(ish) EVE sport. Pipe it into videos for Ambulation and hey presto, EVE TV inside EVE.
Originally by: Erika Bronz Instanced PvP killed the fun of PvPing in WoW, why should EVE repeat it?
Whilst a valid concern, this isn't WoW. A bunch of players in tournaments doesn't instantly kill 0.0 fleet warfare or factional warfare or small gang piracy. The trick is ensuring those remain valid and fun, and that strictly is a separate problem.
Edit: Yes I used to be completely against arenas, but I'm coming around to the idea provided it's done 'right'. I too don't want to see arenas become the only reason to go PvP in a safe, secure, kinda way. |
Aracna Imahovich
Caldari SMURF.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 13:59:00 -
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hail Tank CEO ^^ lol allmost though u had stopped playing..
But no, PvP shouldnt be safe in a carebear kinda way, if carebears wanna PvP they too should be willing to risk something, by for example wardeccing.
i think you could just flip one and others cans, thats as safe as it gets, u see what ship he is in and he can see yours, so fight or run scared ^^ |
Erika Bronz
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Posted - 2009.01.10 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 10/01/2009 13:49:54 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 10/01/2009 13:48:40 The only reason I have trouble with the concept is that if done purely for more PvP, it rather implies the rest of freeform PvP is broken (and I'd rather like that to be fixed for small gangs). However, I can cope with tournaments and thus have no direct objection to player-run tournaments in some deadspace pocket or wormhole area.
We'd not have alliance or cruiser tournaments or duels if they weren't fun, and done right can be observed, bet on, and so on. It could be a new(ish) EVE sport. Pipe it into videos for Ambulation and hey presto, EVE TV inside EVE.
Originally by: Erika Bronz Instanced PvP killed the fun of PvPing in WoW, why should EVE repeat it?
Whilst a valid concern, this isn't WoW. A bunch of players in tournaments doesn't instantly kill 0.0 fleet warfare or factional warfare or small gang piracy. The trick is ensuring those remain valid and fun, and that strictly is a separate problem.
Edit: Yes I used to be completely against arenas, but I'm coming around to the idea provided it's done 'right'. I too don't want to see arenas become the only reason to go PvP in a safe, secure, kinda way.
There's no "right" way around it. It doesn't matter what it is as long as it removes the masses from general access, instanced in other words. This is where EVE and WoW are essentially different. I used to play on a PvP server in WoW for a long time, I've seen how it goes. It's a snowball rolling itself bigger till it contains all snow. Back in the days when I started WoW, there was no such things as Battlegrounds. There were very few PvE instances. As a result everyone was in "free space" so to say, and there was a lot of PvP encounters, often evolving into large battles. Sometimes servers crashed due to the number of people participating even. But then there was this supergearing rat race of instances put into play, leaving everyone not into that behind or forced into it. This ofc resulted in depopulation of the "free space". The odd part is that after the 1000th time of Warsong Gulch, it's more like a Warsong Puke and people want the old days back, but the roll is irreversible. True PvP people quit due to the grindhole everything turned into. Arena is just a small version of WSG without a larger goal than surviving. Well, that's how I see it anyway. |
Nicoli Voldkif
Caelli-Merced INC. Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.01.10 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Erika Bronz
There's no "right" way around it. It doesn't matter what it is as long as it removes the masses from general access, instanced in other words. This is where EVE and WoW are essentially different. I used to play on a PvP server in WoW for a long time, I've seen how it goes. It's a snowball rolling itself bigger till it contains all snow. Back in the days when I started WoW, there was no such things as Battlegrounds. There were very few PvE instances. As a result everyone was in "free space" so to say, and there was a lot of PvP encounters, often evolving into large battles. Sometimes servers crashed due to the number of people participating even. But then there was this supergearing rat race of instances put into play, leaving everyone not into that behind or forced into it. This ofc resulted in depopulation of the "free space". The odd part is that after the 1000th time of Warsong Gulch, it's more like a Warsong Puke and people want the old days back, but the roll is irreversible. True PvP people quit due to the grindhole everything turned into. Arena is just a small version of WSG without a larger goal than surviving. Well, that's how I see it anyway.
I'll 2nd Erika's point. I saw the same thing in WoW and then the same thing in War, the introduction of limited "balanced/Fair" pvp areas destroyed the open world PVP. Basically arenas are not a good idea in an open world pvp environment. |
IroN HiDE
Fat J Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.11 02:32:00 -
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if arenas are added to eve... it wont change the aspect of current pvp. people will still travel to 0.0 and low sec for the other benifits.
the arena idea is to add to pvp.
personally if i could just log in for some quick pvp i would log in a lot more. I just dont have the time to go hunt for solo pvp or gang operations.
it would be nice to log in and sacrafice a ship in a 1v1 2v2 3v3 battle then log out.
i think anyone who doesnt like this idea either hates pvp, or hides behind a blob and cant actually pvp on there own. |
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.11 04:19:00 -
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RIP tank.
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Erika Bronz
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Posted - 2009.01.11 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: IroN HiDE if arenas are added to eve... it wont change the aspect of current pvp. people will still travel to 0.0 and low sec for the other benifits.
the arena idea is to add to pvp.
personally if i could just log in for some quick pvp i would log in a lot more. I just dont have the time to go hunt for solo pvp or gang operations.
it would be nice to log in and sacrafice a ship in a 1v1 2v2 3v3 battle then log out.
i think anyone who doesnt like this idea either hates pvp, or hides behind a blob and cant actually pvp on there own.
Me loves PvP. Nothing can compare to the thrill solo PvP gives, or the pleasure of toying with your prey in small gangs. Blob warfare I cannot do, my computer isn't powerfull enough, but I bet the feeling of large team accomplishment can be quite a joy aswell. It's for the love of PvP I don't welcome arena. For me PvP is the main goal of any MMO. Back in the WoW days I even leveled an Alliance character, and I hate Alliance, for the sole reason to gank some RL friends on a different server. Personally I do not think that a persons PvP skills are that good an arguement either. A person searching for a fight has already lost his/ her ship, if you know what I mean. On the contrary, you could say that only those who hate PvP want it instanced away from free space. The more PvP players occupied in Arena, the safer everywhere else. Make no mistake, this do affect both low- and nullsec PvP. You will cut off a large part of the recruitment and also a part of their player base.
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