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Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:53:00 - [1] THIS SUCKS I was in Shadow Legacy for a long time we also had problems with Corp theft (mostly just public and W&A hangers) and i can only hope that come Shiva there will be some way of tracking down these scummy peoble like someone else said these peoble are scammers nothing more nothing less and its a sad thing that CCP has done nothing before now to protect the corp's Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:53:00 - [2] THIS SUCKS I was in Shadow Legacy for a long time we also had problems with Corp theft (mostly just public and W&A hangers) and i can only hope that come Shiva there will be some way of tracking down these scummy peoble like someone else said these peoble are scammers nothing more nothing less and its a sad thing that CCP has done nothing before now to protect the corp's Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.26 15:55:00 - [3] the thing is its not theft its a scam IMHO you fool someone into thinking you are a friend and then takes everything they have a theft would be some skills in game that would enable you to Copy and or steal BPO or maybe even items from a corp you DO NOT BELONG TO that would be a theft but the place for that is the new idear lab and not in here as for the scammers they should be banned from the game plain and simple or at the very least get a criminal flagging asigned to their Charectors Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.26 15:55:00 - [4] the thing is its not theft its a scam IMHO you fool someone into thinking you are a friend and then takes everything they have a theft would be some skills in game that would enable you to Copy and or steal BPO or maybe even items from a corp you DO NOT BELONG TO that would be a theft but the place for that is the new idear lab and not in here as for the scammers they should be banned from the game plain and simple or at the very least get a criminal flagging asigned to their Charectors Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.27 16:24:00 - [5] Now i am not involveded with either of these corps so take this as you will I have always felt that anyone need's to be given the benefit of the doubt this is mostly because i myself have been acused of corp theft (and stealing from Noob's) this was part of the reason i left Shaw and at least half the Shaw members left Shaw with me as they all knew that the acusation was made out of jalosy (bad spelling) by a 18 year old kid i can tell you it hurts being acused of something you did not do This is the reason that CCP need to implement more safety for corps (the lock down of BPO (coming in Shiva) is only a start) i feel Eve-Online is losing players at a high rate because of this alone some type of audit system (that works) that states who took what from where is needed these logs need to be avaible for atleast 90 days after any item is taken (Paw Sandberg took 1 basic expanded cargohold on 7-27-4 out of hanger 1 called public) this would be a solid proof of any theft also i have to admit this sounds fishy that you are just moving stuff that is yours [ 2004.07.23 19:08:10 ] DrakoWolf > definatly. and i sure hope harberk has nothing to do with it.. damn he's real good friend of mine. I've known him since i was 6years old damnit DrakoWolf > cuz i went out drinking came back real drunk so dont remember who was all online when i came home in wee hours of the morning.. [ 2004.07.23 19:12:03 ] Rufus Kex > i heard you were.. the theft occured at about 5.30 2004.07.23 19:19:00 ] DrakoWolf > dont want this kind of bs on me.. i already left genco to not deal with anykind of stuff like this anymore. but i feel involved now since these are people i know. [ 2004.07.23 19:20:43 ] Rufus Kex > Yeah.. and since your char were online and were down in danera at the same time as this happened, I suppose you have to understand you're a suspect. And that you also HAD access to his account and are his rl friend. I'm sorry Drako, but I hope we work this thing out too. [ 2004.07.23 19:22:01 ] DrakoWolf > well not real life friend just someone i worked with these logs are taken out of context from the chat log you have known him from you where six years old but he is only a coworker also For god sakes I dont have time for this bull****.. I already take care of this site for all of you!!! If you wish to be it this way the site will go down I will not care if you lose pertinant information. and NO I willl not transfer the database to anyone if this becomes the case. So I propose you all vote no in the war against my corporation. lol this post gets me Well its definatly unfortunat you want to blame things on me or Harberk.. Harberk dosn't even know who Apostle is, in real life neither any communication. as for Harberk he's a true friend to me for many years and these false accusations are worthless to me. If Genco wishes to negotiate something to get rid of this war that is fine. but i have not much to offer as I'm just starting out my own corp for last 2 months. it was not me and it was not the other guy come on someone did it but of course it was neither of you like someone else said Drako, if I were the one accused (wrongly) of something this horrific, I'd go ballistic and start shouting and crying and trying to assure people I had nothing to do with it. You're like, "Now as I remember it, I came home at 2 am and then I left... you will notice at this point blahblah". Bit too calm I'd say, lol, bit of a bloody giveaway. Not that you care though, you don't really need to - you're a rich man now. Hehe, I wonder what the people around you IRL would say if they knew you had just stolen lots of stuff from lots of friends. I don't care how you corp thieves rationalize negating all the real life time and money invested by so many people over such a long time, but if you ever manage to get a wink of sleep in again I'd say you are in fact mad. No really, you're obviously missing something in your head, a block of some kind, something hindering you from discerning right from wrong. You're ill, and for that I pity you. I wouldn't be at all suprised if your RL friends have been trying to give you hints about it for a longer time already - but it still isn't too late I suppose. Honestly i am not a Cop or a lawyer however there are flaws in your explanation and if i was on jury duty i would vote guilty on this one Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.27 16:24:00 - [6] Now i am not involveded with either of these corps so take this as you will I have always felt that anyone need's to be given the benefit of the doubt this is mostly because i myself have been acused of corp theft (and stealing from Noob's) this was part of the reason i left Shaw and at least half the Shaw members left Shaw with me as they all knew that the acusation was made out of jalosy (bad spelling) by a 18 year old kid i can tell you it hurts being acused of something you did not do This is the reason that CCP need to implement more safety for corps (the lock down of BPO (coming in Shiva) is only a start) i feel Eve-Online is losing players at a high rate because of this alone some type of audit system (that works) that states who took what from where is needed these logs need to be avaible for atleast 90 days after any item is taken (Paw Sandberg took 1 basic expanded cargohold on 7-27-4 out of hanger 1 called public) this would be a solid proof of any theft also i have to admit this sounds fishy that you are just moving stuff that is yours [ 2004.07.23 19:08:10 ] DrakoWolf > definatly. and i sure hope harberk has nothing to do with it.. damn he's real good friend of mine. I've known him since i was 6years old damnit DrakoWolf > cuz i went out drinking came back real drunk so dont remember who was all online when i came home in wee hours of the morning.. [ 2004.07.23 19:12:03 ] Rufus Kex > i heard you were.. the theft occured at about 5.30 2004.07.23 19:19:00 ] DrakoWolf > dont want this kind of bs on me.. i already left genco to not deal with anykind of stuff like this anymore. but i feel involved now since these are people i know. [ 2004.07.23 19:20:43 ] Rufus Kex > Yeah.. and since your char were online and were down in danera at the same time as this happened, I suppose you have to understand you're a suspect. And that you also HAD access to his account and are his rl friend. I'm sorry Drako, but I hope we work this thing out too. [ 2004.07.23 19:22:01 ] DrakoWolf > well not real life friend just someone i worked with these logs are taken out of context from the chat log you have known him from you where six years old but he is only a coworker also For god sakes I dont have time for this bull****.. I already take care of this site for all of you!!! If you wish to be it this way the site will go down I will not care if you lose pertinant information. and NO I willl not transfer the database to anyone if this becomes the case. So I propose you all vote no in the war against my corporation. lol this post gets me Well its definatly unfortunat you want to blame things on me or Harberk.. Harberk dosn't even know who Apostle is, in real life neither any communication. as for Harberk he's a true friend to me for many years and these false accusations are worthless to me. If Genco wishes to negotiate something to get rid of this war that is fine. but i have not much to offer as I'm just starting out my own corp for last 2 months. it was not me and it was not the other guy come on someone did it but of course it was neither of you like someone else said Drako, if I were the one accused (wrongly) of something this horrific, I'd go ballistic and start shouting and crying and trying to assure people I had nothing to do with it. You're like, "Now as I remember it, I came home at 2 am and then I left... you will notice at this point blahblah". Bit too calm I'd say, lol, bit of a bloody giveaway. Not that you care though, you don't really need to - you're a rich man now. Hehe, I wonder what the people around you IRL would say if they knew you had just stolen lots of stuff from lots of friends. I don't care how you corp thieves rationalize negating all the real life time and money invested by so many people over such a long time, but if you ever manage to get a wink of sleep in again I'd say you are in fact mad. No really, you're obviously missing something in your head, a block of some kind, something hindering you from discerning right from wrong. You're ill, and for that I pity you. I wouldn't be at all suprised if your RL friends have been trying to give you hints about it for a longer time already - but it still isn't too late I suppose. Honestly i am not a Cop or a lawyer however there are flaws in your explanation and if i was on jury duty i would vote guilty on this one Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.27 22:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Mikelangelo I hate corp thieves. CCP should implement a "DED corporate vault" feature available to corporations, so they can put their most valuable assets in it. The only person who should have access to that "DED corporate vault should be the CEO. well with Shiva we get a BPO lockdown option that should help a little this still wont end Directors stealing everything else though Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.27 22:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Mikelangelo I hate corp thieves. CCP should implement a "DED corporate vault" feature available to corporations, so they can put their most valuable assets in it. The only person who should have access to that "DED corporate vault should be the CEO. well with Shiva we get a BPO lockdown option that should help a little this still wont end Directors stealing everything else though Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.28 15:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Dopefish Keep law and rl out of this phulease...its a game ok. Yes it suks loosing ur stuff but if you really valued it you wouldnt share it with anyone right? I value my underwear and i dont share underware witn ANYONE ok! Besides this isnt really a forum/rl issue...we will solve everything ingame...where it belongs on the other hand this would force CCP into trying to secure corp property in a better degree something we sorely need Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.28 15:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Dopefish Keep law and rl out of this phulease...its a game ok. Yes it suks loosing ur stuff but if you really valued it you wouldnt share it with anyone right? I value my underwear and i dont share underware witn ANYONE ok! Besides this isnt really a forum/rl issue...we will solve everything ingame...where it belongs on the other hand this would force CCP into trying to secure corp property in a better degree something we sorely need Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Vinnie Paul Why not a real life lawsuit , or criminal charges even ? We pay with real money , invest real time. Corp thieves rumored to sell stolen goods on ebay. Thats a wire transfer type crime. Could be handled by US Postal inspectors same as if you hacked my account and used my CC to pay for the stuff. Could be construed as trafficking in stolen goods. Could even taint the person receiving the items or in posession of them down the line. CCP wouldnt even be involved, unless a staff member turned out to be in on it. Just the act of a criminaly minded individual perpetrated for personal gain at the expense of others. Which I would take as a good definition of most crimes. In real life or within our little world of EVE. i dont know what country you are from but in the United States of America you can make a lawsuit against anyone at any time for any reason Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $) Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.30 00:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Vinnie Paul Why not a real life lawsuit , or criminal charges even ? We pay with real money , invest real time. Corp thieves rumored to sell stolen goods on ebay. Thats a wire transfer type crime. Could be handled by US Postal inspectors same as if you hacked my account and used my CC to pay for the stuff. Could be construed as trafficking in stolen goods. Could even taint the person receiving the items or in posession of them down the line. CCP wouldnt even be involved, unless a staff member turned out to be in on it. Just the act of a criminaly minded individual perpetrated for personal gain at the expense of others. Which I would take as a good definition of most crimes. In real life or within our little world of EVE. i dont know what country you are from but in the United States of America you can make a lawsuit against anyone at any time for any reason Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $) Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.03 17:40:00 - [13] Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 03/08/2004 17:42:00 Originally by: Shootemup Originally by: Paw Sandberg Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $) One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption. Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court. Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible. It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't. Point of the matter was they where suid for serving hot Coffe anyway in the US you can file a suit against anyone at any time for anything that is a fact how many cases have there been in the US where Doctors have been suid for trying to save a persons life and failed (although they did everything in their power) thats not saying you are going to win just that you have the right to file a suit (and that this country is sue crazy IMHO) granted i am Danish (although living in the states) i am just used to a deferent system then the one in the states so i may not get all the facts right when it comes to the law in the states Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.03 17:40:00 - [14] Edited by: Paw Sandberg on 03/08/2004 17:42:00 Originally by: Shootemup Originally by: Paw Sandberg Mcdonalds was suid for serving hot coffe for instance (they did not put the lid on proberly and the lady spilled coffe on herself and got several milion $) One, she got third-degree burns. You're NOT supposed to get third degree burns from liquid made for human consumption. Two, McDonald's had at the time served too hot coffe for some time, settling scores of cases out of court. Three, the millions were court-ordered puntive damages to try and get the corporation to stop their practice of serving coffe too hot: The "award" for the woman was in their thousands, to cover medical expenses. These were lowered because the jury felt she was somewhat responsible. It's not that hard to find real information about the case instead of keep pulling it out as an example of a frivolous lawsuit - it wasn't. Point of the matter was they where suid for serving hot Coffe anyway in the US you can file a suit against anyone at any time for anything that is a fact how many cases have there been in the US where Doctors have been suid for trying to save a persons life and failed (although they did everything in their power) thats not saying you are going to win just that you have the right to file a suit (and that this country is sue crazy IMHO) granted i am Danish (although living in the states) i am just used to a deferent system then the one in the states so i may not get all the facts right when it comes to the law in the states Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.04 16:22:00 - [15] sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.04 16:22:00 - [16] sorry to say this but Genco should not end the war just because the items was returned thats just wrong oh well not my corp so i guess it does not matter to me to much Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1

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