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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.26 07:51:00 -
[301]
Hit me up if you want to sell me Atima shares at 50% of value |
Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.02.26 08:15:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Forceflow I personally would like to see more updates from Atima. The late divs I can put aside as RL concerns but Atima should have at least informed us of such a development if it were the case. Especially after the deadline on voting to reduce the security has passed and we have had no word on how it is progressing.
This. I can deal with late divs, as long as I know that eventually, whenever, they will arrive. The fact that late divs and no updates occur immediately after a reduction in security is... disconcerting.
While I feel that Cosmoray is being (maybe) too aggressive too soon, I agree with his point way back at the start of this thread, when he sold his shares back. The initial shareholders *raises hand* bought into a 20b enterprise with only 4b unsecured. That ballooned to a 60b enterprise with 12b unsecured (and now more than 12b, perhaps 15-20b? I am unclear.) Essentially a complete unknown now has way, way more money than anyone would ordinarily feel safe investing in them. I'm disturbed that things have proceeded as they have.
This is indeed at the moment, as Cosmoray said, a bad investor experience. Hopefully Atima becomes more PR oriented (Bad Bobby is an excellent example of how this should work) but at this point in time I'd settle for regular dividends and monthly reports.
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Togen Lei
Gallente Abyssal Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.26 08:30:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Ricdic Hit me up if you want to sell me Atima shares at 50% of value
I would also be interested in purchasing a few more shares (although my wallet isn't as large as some peoples)
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2009.02.26 09:54:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Frenden Dax
Originally by: Forceflow I personally would like to see more updates from Atima. The late divs I can put aside as RL concerns but Atima should have at least informed us of such a development if it were the case. Especially after the deadline on voting to reduce the security has passed and we have had no word on how it is progressing.
This. I can deal with late divs, as long as I know that eventually, whenever, they will arrive. The fact that late divs and no updates occur immediately after a reduction in security is... disconcerting.
While I feel that Cosmoray is being (maybe) too aggressive too soon, I agree with his point way back at the start of this thread, when he sold his shares back. The initial shareholders *raises hand* bought into a 20b enterprise with only 4b unsecured. That ballooned to a 60b enterprise with 12b unsecured (and now more than 12b, perhaps 15-20b? I am unclear.) Essentially a complete unknown now has way, way more money than anyone would ordinarily feel safe investing in them. I'm disturbed that things have proceeded as they have.
This is indeed at the moment, as Cosmoray said, a bad investor experience. Hopefully Atima becomes more PR oriented (Bad Bobby is an excellent example of how this should work) but at this point in time I'd settle for regular dividends and monthly reports.
The risk was known yet no one except for shar if i am correct mentioned it in here.For me it was the reason not to take the risk but i was surprised no one mentioned the unsecured part untill -again i think- Shar mentioned it and still no one retracted or had large concerns after that post.Don't feel like browsing the whole thread so going off of what i remember reading at the time.
Not saying that the money will vanish but IF it would there will only be one person who at least looked further and mentioned the fact that there was now a large sum unsecured.I however highly doubt that when atima still hangs in SCC channel he has the intention to run off.It might be returns are a little lower and he is trying to make the best before handing out dividens OR because of the delay it got at the start and redoing the basics.
Just be patient before pointing any fingers or starting 'a panic' in here.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.02.26 10:21:00 -
[305]
There have been some delays in getting the freighter BPOs unlocked - I've been the victim of a bug that nullified my votes. Assuming the 2nd attempt goes through, they'll be out tomorrow morning. --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team |
No Profit
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:29:00 -
[306]
Ah, tbh I hadn't actually realised that divs were late.
Kaz, any chance of poking Atima to give us an update on what is going on?
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Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:08:00 -
[307]
The dividends are due and always have been on the last day of the month. Last months dividends were paid early so i could get going with the expansion.
I fail to see how I have provided a bad experience for my investors Cosmoray. I have always been upfront about any issues i have had and dealt with them accordingly.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:12:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Atima The dividends are due and always have been on the last day of the month. Last months dividends were paid early so i could get going with the expansion.
I fail to see how I have provided a bad experience for my investors Cosmoray. I have always been upfront about any issues i have had and dealt with them accordingly.
A lot of us are edgy here lately Atima, you'll have to forgive us |
eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:12:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Atima The dividends are due and always have been on the last day of the month. Last months dividends were paid early so i could get going with the expansion.
I fail to see how I have provided a bad experience for my investors Cosmoray. I have always been upfront about any issues i have had and dealt with them accordingly.
Ignore him, play fight with him, or just insult his name multiple times, seems to work for me.
Keep up the best you can and if you are feeling burnt out slow down. I think investors would rather less dividends and a better investment in the long run than a burnt out IPO that ends up scamming or losing everything. -----
POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:14:00 -
[310]
As the only one who believed in Atima you guys should sell me all your shares at 50% of value immediately. |
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Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:18:00 -
[311]
The thing is I am working hard, paying dividends on time and providing a commentary on the procedure of the business. Yet people are complaining I am not working hard enough. Please feel free to expand upon which areas I have made this a bad investment? I will do my best to fulfill the investors request.
However please take into consideration that I do not take a managment fee from this investment yet still dedicate most of my eve time to it. I do this because I enjoy doing it and I don't believe I am doing a bad job at all.
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:22:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Atima The thing is I am working hard, paying dividends on time and providing a commentary on the procedure of the business. Yet people are complaining I am not working hard enough. Please feel free to expand upon which areas I have made this a bad investment? I will do my best to fulfill the investors request.
However please take into consideration that I do not take a managment fee from this investment yet still dedicate most of my eve time to it. I do this because I enjoy doing it and I don't believe I am doing a bad job at all.
Dont worry about critism, that means your doing somthing right, I find that the IPO's/Bonds that we dont' talk about are normally the ones I worry about.
And for Cos(what ever the end to his name is) has always had somthing up his but about 50% or what ever his new ratio is currently. He means well, and fully understand why, but goes to the EXTREMES. -----
POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES |
Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:25:00 -
[313]
Kazzac I understand why investors are edgy, and I agree I would personally be worried investing in a person such as my self. It is true I have access to a large amount of unsecured isk.
However if I was scamming Kazuo could detect it weeks ahead as I would have to stop production, this would take two weeks. I'm fairly sure Kazuo would notice if I had stopped production for two weeks and the wallet had been emptied. I would appreciate it if he would confirm that I infact have all the unsecured funds currently locked into continuous production.
I have no intention of scamming and would value my reputation much higher than 15bn. Infact I have 6bn of my own isk currently within the corperation that I receive no dividends for, Kazuo can also confirm this.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:26:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Atima The thing is I am working hard, paying dividends on time and providing a commentary on the procedure of the business. Yet people are complaining I am not working hard enough. Please feel free to expand upon which areas I have made this a bad investment? I will do my best to fulfill the investors request.
However please take into consideration that I do not take a managment fee from this investment yet still dedicate most of my eve time to it. I do this because I enjoy doing it and I don't believe I am doing a bad job at all.
When your done running this program Atima, how about we talk and fix that problem |
eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:49:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Atima Kazzac I understand why investors are edgy, and I agree I would personally be worried investing in a person such as my self. It is true I have access to a large amount of unsecured isk.
However if I was scamming Kazuo could detect it weeks ahead as I would have to stop production, this would take two weeks. I'm fairly sure Kazuo would notice if I had stopped production for two weeks and the wallet had been emptied. I would appreciate it if he would confirm that I infact have all the unsecured funds currently locked into continuous production.
I have no intention of scamming and would value my reputation much higher than 15bn. Infact I have 6bn of my own isk currently within the corperation that I receive no dividends for, Kazuo can also confirm this.
Atima if you would like, I can look at your current plan and what your doing and probably show you a few ways to make things better and easier. Not saying your not doing it the best way, I have no clue honestly, but never hurts to have a 2nd and 3rd set of eyes. -----
POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:55:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Atima
I have no intention of scamming and would value my reputation much higher than 15bn. Infact I have 6bn of my own isk currently within the corperation that I receive no dividends for, Kazuo can also confirm this.
I know this, was just just pointing out perspective.
And the offer stands when your ready, you got a lotta potential here to make a decent mint for yourself.
So lets talk when your done |
Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.02.26 14:37:00 -
[317]
I'm happy to disclose to everyone right now what I am doing, I'll go over it here in the forum.
I currently own
6 Freighter BPOs Orca BPO 16 carrier BPOs 17 component BPOs 1 medium POS, currently just anchored. no mods. These are the fixed assets.
Also in my possession: 2 carriers 12 carriers in production components in production to build 12 carriers 3 carrier BPC's 10 freighter BPC's small amount of spare minerals and components aprox. 800mill worth 2.2bn in corp wallet
Corp has a debt to me of 6bn isk.
The freighter BPOs and orca BPOs were in the labs creating copies, returning around 4-5% each month after the fees for the labs. Currently in station waiting to be unlocked.
4 of the carrier BPOs were in research. They've just came out of the labs and will be moved to production location once I organise for them to be unlocked and I provide collateral to cover them.
12 carrier BPOs and 17 component BPOs are in production.
I am going to sell the 6 freighter BPOs and buy the additional component BPOs required to build from all 16 carrier BPOs. Also i will use the isk from the freighter BPOs to pay off the corps debt to myself which I am using for the component stock.
How I run the business:
I buy the minerals via buy order on Jita market throughout the week.
I contract the empire hauling of minerals to a third party who moves them one jump from my lowsec system for a minimal fee.
I then haul these minerals in using my personal freighters and a huginn.
Potential improvements here : Mineral compression. less hauling less risk. Why don't I do this? I picked a station owned by a corperation who doesn't have any agents so I would have to pay a 5% reprocessing tax. I will relocate in the future to another station in the system and begin construction there. Why not now? Because all the BPOs will need to be unlocked, this will cause a huge delay in production and lower the profit. Right now I am more concerned with providing better returns for investors.
Capital ships and components are made in this station. I then proceed to sell them on public contracts.
What I would like to do is purchase the BPOs for capital modules and fighters. Build these modules and sell them on market along with other relevent fittings and rigs and so provide a hub for capital ships. This isn't a viable option due to limitations of isk available to me. I will do this at some point in the future with retained profits.
The BPC side of the business was simple. copy BPO in a lab for a fee from kazuo, sell on public contracts. Fairly low returns, not enough to keep investors happy so I am liquidating this side.
At this point your all probably wondering so what are my profits? well to be honest the market fluxuates alot and I cannot offer a precise figure. I'll Answer to the best of my ability however.
Profit per 28 days:
Construction of 12 carriers: 4,751,627,200.44
Using yesturdays prices for mineral sell orders in jita and contract sell orders for carriers.
BPC copying: Around 600mill after costs. This fluxuates extremely. Hence my stock of capital BPC's. I simply hold onto them until it is the right time to sell.
Research on the carrier BPOs: I estimate they are gaining around 5% value per month in research, so around 250mill per month.
This is pretty much my profits for the past month and a half, carrier profits were much larger last month, around 5.3bn due to the fall in mineral prices. The small rise we saw recently may not have seemed much but it significantly impacts profits for capital production.
As you can see my current profit is approximately around 5.5bn per month. This is just short of 10% per month. Once I liquidate the copying side of atima industries the profits will increase.
I encourage you all to pick apart my current practices, I have tried to be as clear as possible and I would invite a respected third party to do an external NAV report if they wish to do so. I will disclose the exact research and BPOs to them.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:42:00 -
[318]
*expansion*
My main point Atima is that you have a huge amount of capital tierd up in your business, but no one really knows how you run a business before you expanded to 60B. So now your in a business which is a lot of work (burn out is a serious risk for investors) and things are starting to slip. I think your reporting has been poor, no detailed report at end of month (cash flow,sales, profits, whatever) so no one really knows how the business is doing. By not giving sales data the shareholders are not seeing what is going on with their money, they don't know if you are just paying cash from unsecured pile. If you are not making any sales but just paying the minimum you can say that too.
Communication. Communication. Communication. The more you tell the shareholders the more they put their trust in you. When their is no communication they start to theorize and bash you.
You run a major vote to restructure a 60B business and after the vote has finished you still don't come back and talk to investors. No communication for 12 days. I would have given an update, if you were having difficulty in unlocking BPO's say so here. That extra bit of communication buys a lot of grace with shareholders when they know what is going on.
Management fee. Personally I would have taken one. Your doing lots of hardwork (probably too much) and you only get divs. I wouldn't run a 60B IPO, haven't got the time or patience. I still believe you should reduce the size of the IPO to a manageable form for yourself.
The best IPO managers run the IPO, make div payments on schedule and provide excellent reports. Look at AATP, Bad Bobby, AC, Cosmoray (maybe everyone's opinion?) and even EvaLf (he gives blog updates every few days) for good reporting.
I honestly don't want you to end up in the position of other IPO's where the CEO doesn't talk to the shareholders and they are held hostage to the CEO because they can't sell their shares or get out.
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Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:58:00 -
[319]
Originally by: cosmoray *expansion*
My main point Atima is that you have a huge amount of capital tierd up in your business, but no one really knows how you run a business before you expanded to 60B. So now your in a business which is a lot of work (burn out is a serious risk for investors) and things are starting to slip. I think your reporting has been poor, no detailed report at end of month (cash flow,sales, profits, whatever) so no one really knows how the business is doing. By not giving sales data the shareholders are not seeing what is going on with their money, they don't know if you are just paying cash from unsecured pile. If you are not making any sales but just paying the minimum you can say that too.
Communication. Communication. Communication. The more you tell the shareholders the more they put their trust in you. When their is no communication they start to theorize and bash you.
You run a major vote to restructure a 60B business and after the vote has finished you still don't come back and talk to investors. No communication for 12 days. I would have given an update, if you were having difficulty in unlocking BPO's say so here. That extra bit of communication buys a lot of grace with shareholders when they know what is going on.
Management fee. Personally I would have taken one. Your doing lots of hardwork (probably too much) and you only get divs. I wouldn't run a 60B IPO, haven't got the time or patience. I still believe you should reduce the size of the IPO to a manageable form for yourself.
The best IPO managers run the IPO, make div payments on schedule and provide excellent reports. Look at AATP, Bad Bobby, AC, Cosmoray (maybe everyone's opinion?) and even EvaLf (he gives blog updates every few days) for good reporting.
I honestly don't want you to end up in the position of other IPO's where the CEO doesn't talk to the shareholders and they are held hostage to the CEO because they can't sell their shares or get out.
So now your in a business which is a lot of work (burn out is a serious risk for investors) and things are starting to slip.
Less work than trading, things are NOT starting to slip at all.
I think your reporting has been poor, no detailed report at end of month (cash flow,sales, profits, whatever) so no one really knows how the business is doing.
I agree that I have not posted any statistics, mostly because I buy and sell via a mixture of my corperation wallet and personal wallet. I'm not 100% sure how to do the maths apart from working it out on paper, I have thousands of transactions each month. I could use EMMA, which I purchased a key for myself. However I also have transactions in Atima's wallet which I use to trade for my own personal gain, these would cause EMMA to calculate incorrect profits. Also I am not a director in Kazuo's corp and so cannot access API data of the wallet.
I try to communicate to the best of my ability, I went through the options available to share holders to the best of my ability.
I was unaware Kazuo was having difficulties unlocking the BPOs as we play eve generally at different times to each other. I left him an evemail but recieved no reply. I suspected he was just taking a small break.
I most certainly don't hold my investors hostage, I can provide buy backs right now. I recieve 3-4 evemails each week from people requesting shares from me and report to the best of my ability.
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Aussie Vengeance
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.26 23:13:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Atima I buy and sell via a mixture of my corperation wallet and personal wallet.
Mate, just a word of suggestion - you may want to keep the corporation and personal buckets separate, as you're opening yourself up to a few questions, if nothing else. As you note it makes it difficult for you to give reports on numbers; I would expect that you have rock solid control on the numbers, as otherwise there is a real risk that you are performing actions that aren't optimally profitable. Can I recommend a non-financially involved alt for all your personal trades?
Originally by: Atima Corp has a debt to me of 6bn isk.
A question on the 6bn debt from the corp to you - that is in effect a 0% interest loan, but there was no discussions/agreement/votes to do this afaik. Is this just to cover operational expenses until the additional liquidity released comes through? If not, can any future loans of this nature be made public before they occur, rather than when calls come for additional information?
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Chaos Dreams
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Posted - 2009.02.26 23:51:00 -
[321]
Originally by: cosmoray *expansion*
My main point Atima is that you have a huge amount of capital tierd up in your business, but no one really knows how you run a business before you expanded to 60B.
If they didn't find out how the business is run before they invested I think the fault lies more with the investors. If they wanted to know more details they should have tried to find them out before they invested.
Originally by: cosmoray Communication. Communication. Communication. The more you tell the shareholders the more they put their trust in you. When their is no communication they start to theorize and bash you.
This doesn't seem to be true. You're the only one bashing, and you're not even an investor anymore. Personally I'm happy with the level of communication. All questions and concerns have been addressed. Perhaps not instantly, but always within a couple of days.
I don't really need or want daily reports. If I want total control over my ISK, and want to know where it is and what it's doing all the time, I'd have just kept it and managed it myself. I invest it so that other people can mind it, and I'd really rather them spend their time making it grow than typing up reports for my benefit.
Originally by: cosmoray I honestly don't want you to end up in the position of other IPO's where the CEO doesn't talk to the shareholders and they are held hostage to the CEO because they can't sell their shares or get out.
I really can't see this happening. Atima has offered multiple times to buy out people who weren't satisfied with the investment. There have also been numerous posts by other people willing to purchase shares if anyone wanted out.
Maybe you're just trying to offer constructive advice, but it doesn't really look like it anymore. It looks more like you're trying to incite fear and distrust in the investors and create additional stress. You keep coming up with these dire warning about overwork and burnout. However all your niggling questions are just making more work for her.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:47:00 -
[322]
Chaos, don't be so quick to criticize Cosmoray.
* You own an entire two (2) shares in this. It's easy to go off on how you feel completely safe and secure and happy, when in the event of disaster your losses will total less than 7m.
* You started EVE on 7 December 2008. To put it bluntly, you're inexperienced. Don't be so quick to assume that cosmoray is being critical simply because he can or due to some personal vendetta. You can consider him a watchdog trying to protect investors; overly zealous at times maybe, but he's been around for a lot longer than you and he's seen a lot more stuff go down.
* I'm glad that you feel secure in handing over (a really small amount of) your money and then placing absolute trust in whoever you give it to. When you have lost a few hundred million due to scams, you might develop a different outlook. Furthermore, you are not the only investor (or even a major investor) in this IPO; some of us might feel differently about the amount of communication that's considered 'healthy'. Post #317 in this thread (by Atima) is fantastic. That's the sort of breakdown and information that investors need to see in order to evaluate how the IPO is doing and if they want to cash out or stay the course.
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Chaos Dreams
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Posted - 2009.02.27 02:24:00 -
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Yes, it's true I only have two shares. But that's still two more shares than Cosmoray currently owns in this investment.
I didn't post because I think he isn't experienced, or even because I think he doesn't know what he's doing. In fact, the reason I only invested to the extent of 2 shares was because I was following one of his "golden rules" from Cosmoray's investment for beginners guides: Only invest what you can afford to lose. If other people didn't follow that rule, that's on them.
I posted because I think he's going overboard, and crossing the line from helpful criticism to harrassment. If you, or anyone else, has concerns I don't see any problem with voicing them, asking questions, ect. But everything Cosmoray is saying he's already said, most often multiple times.
And I don't consider repeatedly telling someone they're going to burnout and that they should give up and downsize a 'watchdog' service. To me it looks more like bullying. If you disagree, fine, more power to you. But I'm still going to call it like I see it, and not going to stop just because you think I'm too experienced or small-time of an investor to matter.
Cheers.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:12:00 -
[324]
I do go on, and there are probably a lot of people who I tick off or think I am an ass. Thats cool but if I badgered Atima enough that she posted her full set of assets and a statement about her operations thats good enough for me.
I do beat people up, and I won't apologize for it. One of the things you mentioned Chaos was "don't invest what you can't afford to lose", but no investor should treat invested capital as "lost" money either. If you think there are problems you should speak up. I speak my mind even if I don't own shares in many businesses.
The failure rate for Atima's type of IPO is VERY HIGH and I don't want to see that IPO fail too. The market is not in a good shape at the moment and I don't want it to worsen.
It's nothing personal it's just business.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:11:00 -
[325]
Atima, get with me in game please.
We do almost the exact same style of business and I'd like to offer some pointers on how to tighten up your margins. Even to the point of finding out who/what/where our clients are so maybe we can no accidentally compete against each other. |
TheScienceMonkey
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Posted - 2009.02.27 10:36:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Ricdic As the only one who believed in Atima you guys should sell me all your shares at 50% of value immediately.
You're not on your own there Ricdic,
Atima as far as I'm concerned you're doing fine, dont burn yourself out, monthly reports work for me and if you need any help with production and such like shout at my in game.
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Dagda Morr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:14:00 -
[327]
As another small investor in the project I can appreciate Cosmo's points. The secondary market is still reeling after recent events and frequent updates ect on the largest new IPO would be very welcome. I think suggestions of harassment are a little harsh - this is after all a public forum where opinions can and should be expressed. Agressive scrutiny on a 60b IPO should be expected.
With regards to reporting, I think a short weekly general summary of how things are proceeding and a more in-depth monthly report with specific numbers would be useful.
At the same time Atima, I would much rather you be working away than churning out reports. If burnout does become an issue it would cetainly be much better to scale back on the reporting side a little than ruin what is afterall supposed to be a game.
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Forceflow
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.02.27 15:52:00 -
[328]
Atima, thank you for disclosing the state of your operations.
What I (and probably others) was concerned about was mainly the liquidation process. Since Kazuo had posted saying the vote likely passed on the 18, we didn't have any news. If we had known that there had been trouble with the system, much of this would have been avoided.
With this said, I still have confidence in this venture.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:27:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Dagda Morr As another small investor in the project I can appreciate Cosmo's points. The secondary market is still reeling after recent events and frequent updates ect on the largest new IPO would be very welcome. I think suggestions of harassment are a little harsh - this is after all a public forum where opinions can and should be expressed. Agressive scrutiny on a 60b IPO should be expected.
With regards to reporting, I think a short weekly general summary of how things are proceeding and a more in-depth monthly report with specific numbers would be useful.
At the same time Atima, I would much rather you be working away than churning out reports. If burnout does become an issue it would cetainly be much better to scale back on the reporting side a little than ruin what is afterall supposed to be a game.
No big business does weekly reports, too much work. A monthly report is considered good practice with at least profit or sales, divs, NAV (maybe) and some guidance on how things are running. Keeping div payments on a consistant schedule is better than paying early or late as people think an early payment is a new routine.
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Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2009.02.28 04:36:00 -
[330]
Selling 30 shares, 10.5mil each.
I'm needing to raise cash, I'm not selling because of anything negative with the IPO. Message me in game.
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