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Perseus D'Solos
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Posted - 2009.01.13 01:07:00 -
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Hi guys and girls. I've been gone from EVE for about a year, and I'm testing the waters to see if it's worthwhile to come back. I used to do a little bit of everything during the 2+ years I played EVE last time, including mission running.
When I left, mission running wasn't particularly fun or profitable, IMO atleast, and I was doing it in deepest low-sec.
Has that changed? I heard something about the loot now being worthwhile, even in high sec.
How much can one make from an "average" lvl4 mission nowadays?
What missions are particularly profitable, and which ones are deathtraps?
For the Gallentean runners out there: Is the Dominix still the way to go, or has the Kronos become useful enough to warrant atleast a try? I certainly have the required skills.
And please, no "just do a search you lazy ****" answers, would ya?
Thx.
/Perseus
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.13 01:41:00 -
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I don't know what it was like when you played as I've only been playing a little over a year now. I will say that for a 10M+ SP charicter, lvl4 missions are stupid easy and pay very well typically. Missioning is currently the easiest and one of the fastest ways to make isk.
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Perseus D'Solos
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Posted - 2009.01.13 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar I don't know what it was like when you played as I've only been playing a little over a year now. I will say that for a 10M+ SP charicter, lvl4 missions are stupid easy and pay very well typically. Missioning is currently the easiest and one of the fastest ways to make isk.
Fair enough. So how much do you make in an average lvl4 mission, including loot? Do you salvage? And what sec rating are you running missions in?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:32:00 -
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Bad question. Longer misions ussuaklly mean more money. |
King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.13 05:50:00 -
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I don't run missions anymore actually. But prior to quitting that aspect of the game I made about 25M isk per hour on average with a navy issue apocalypse in amarr space. This includes looting/salvaging only the best missions while just blitzing everything else. Typical lvl4 mission took 10-20 minutes not counting looting/salvaging which as said, I only did on the most lucrative ones. Last lvl4 agent I used with regularity was in a 0.8 sec system, quality 20 with lvl3 social skills. Last mission I flew for said agent was about 2 months ago and I don't think any major changes have come during that time. |
Terminus Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.01.13 07:56:00 -
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The profitability question depends on how fast you can complete missions, so not something I can answer for you because it depends on you entirely. Yes, running L4's is a good source of income even in hisec. When I was running missions in my Drake I was averaging about 26 mil ISK/hour without looting/salvaging, but counting LP profits (averaging 600 ISK/LP). I avoid drone and faction missions since there's no bounties on them, and I'm too lazy to loot/salvage all the time. |
Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 13/01/2009 10:46:32 Without any doubt, high sec missionrunning is the least risky and most profitable thing you can do in EVE at the moment. There is virtually zero risk to it, and if done correctly you can make 20-60 mil an hour easily. It all comes down to your knowledge, where you are and what you do.
Low sec missioning is slightly more profitable, but due to the risk and the anti-gank measures you have to take, it ends up not being more valuable.
Anyone who says that missions involve any risk whatsoever, or pays too little needs a brain job. (In my opinion)
Today, only hardcore trading and scamming can rival missionrunning in it's iskgeneration. (To my knowledge)
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
Kaya Divine
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ancy Denaries Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 13/01/2009 10:46:32 Without any doubt, high sec missionrunning is the least risky and most profitable thing you can do in EVE at the moment.
Today, only hardcore trading and scamming can rival missionrunning in it's iskgeneration. (To my knowledge)
You never tried industry? I consulted moralists to learn how to appear philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die. |
Galvanized
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:16:00 -
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high sec mission running for the " right " corp and also low sec mission running in the right area make me approx 100mill a day easily for about 2 hrs wrk. And as the previous poster said my manufacturing base is in between these areas i use so i " produce " large ammounts of items every time i fly tthrough which nets me another 200m a week on top..pays for the GTC...
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine
Originally by: Ancy Denaries *whinage*
You never tried industry?
I've tried many things in EVE, but Industry haven't been of them. At least not on the production side of things. Mining I do :D
Currently trying my hands at trading.
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
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K'jata
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:34:00 -
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Hey: I'm a bit of a missioner, if you do them alot you get to know which sort of tank or dps you need etc. Personally I'd say yeah they're profitable, but the only things that have changed that i can think of is the different missions they introduced a while back. The drops you get from faction missions is good; even in the form of dog tags you can make tens of millions from them in single missions, the ones against angel, gurista etc are always good for money that large guns sell good and obviously theres the salvage. get a ship like a nighthawk a drake or even a raven and you will see the wallet go up.
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: adriaans on 13/01/2009 12:52:16 keep in mind those who say you can easy make 60m an hour and such are people who only mission for 1-2 hours a day (generally) and thus can carefully select their missions, if you run missions for like 10+ hours in a row (since you can't keep refusing missions hundreds of times in a row...), the isk per hour is around 30m, (possibly even a bit lower without maurader, and possibly higher with a maurader).
most people exaggerate mission income, or only do so few selective missions a day the value they get is not accurate if you play for 10+ hours a day (like i do). missioning pays good, but it's not the best, and if you want an accurate income figure, go for the lower average values unless you're one of those only missioning for 1-2 hours a day.
the above is based on low sec missioning with this char using t2 fit BS/CS (minmatar agents), and a high sec alt using nav apoc (amarr agents) (and soon paladin, which should boost income from 20m to 30m an hour). if you think 10+ hours a day is much... well somethings gotta pay for my suicidal pvp habits.... (and yes, i fly 'cost effective' (frigs, cruisers, BC's), but thats another discussion). i should add, i only do stuff with maxed skills and full head of implants, so i will assume my figures are more accurate, especially due to the much longer timeframe i spend. LP conversion is at about 1.5k/lp.
60 mill and such is deffo possibly during 1-2 hour sessions every day farming the best missions, but you can't keep that average over a much longer non stop timeframe. (unless theres somehow a place with 10+ lvl 4 combat agents that i don't know about...) -sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.13 16:42:00 -
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Trading makes a good amount of cash, but is even more boring than missioning, IMO. |
Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:57:00 -
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You can easily make 50-60m/hr if you know what you're doing, more if you get lucky with mission choices. Don't expect the people making that amount to tell you how though.
It's as or more viable as it always was (other than the period where WC+overseers respawned), except ISK is worth a whole lot less than it used to be.
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Valrandir
Gallente Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:00:00 -
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If you have the skills then profit is all about running level 5 in lowsec. You will need two ships however. With 3 ships you can do them all within 30 minutes, and get about 75000 LP each.
This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware. |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir If you have the skills then profit is all about running level 5 in lowsec.
Aren't L5's only profitable if you have a reliable means of turning LP into cash? I mean the mission rewards aren't all that, and there's no bounties because they're mostly against faction ships and drones.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:50:00 -
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Avoid the Kronos. The Dominix is still better for mission running.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:04:00 -
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missions were viable a year ago like they are now. I don't know what you are on about. Mindless way to make isk with nearly zero risk, even in low sec. AFK mode in high sec. |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.14 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto missions were viable a year ago like they are now. I don't know what you are on about. Mindless way to make isk with nearly zero risk, even in low sec. AFK mode in high sec.
You're not going to make much afk, though.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto missions were viable a year ago like they are now. I don't know what you are on about. Mindless way to make isk with nearly zero risk, even in low sec. AFK mode in high sec.
You're not going to make much afk, though.
permatank dominix. Agro the entire room, deploy drones, go afk. Obviously don't work if there are additional waves... Still something that plenty of people do. Missions are so easy and safe. |
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.01.14 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto missions were viable a year ago like they are now. I don't know what you are on about. Mindless way to make isk with nearly zero risk, even in low sec. AFK mode in high sec.
You're not going to make much afk, though.
Not as a low skiller, or with a burst tank, but if you setup for a decent permatank, you can more or less half-afk most of them, albeit slowly. You make more money if you pay attention. But noone can really say that missions are hard. Only if you are low on skills and don't read up and have bad luck can you hope to loose a ship. |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 14/01/2009 13:15:44
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: Qui Shon
You're not going to make much afk, though.
permatank dominix. Agro the entire room, deploy drones, go afk. Obviously don't work if there are additional waves... Still something that plenty of people do. Missions are so easy and safe.
Including me. But like I said, you're not going to make much isk that way.
Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Not as a low skiller, or with a burst tank, but if you setup for a decent permatank, you can more or less half-afk most of them, albeit slowly. You make more money if you pay attention. But noone can really say that missions are hard. Only if you are low on skills and don't read up and have bad luck can you hope to loose a ship.
Low/high skills don't matter. Afking does NOT net you a lot of isk. I know, because I've been doing it for ages. Afk missioning income varies from about 1/3rd to 1/10th of what active missioning gives, timewise.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hyveres on 14/01/2009 16:14:56
Originally by: Ancy Denaries Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 13/01/2009 10:46:32 Without any doubt, high sec missionrunning is the least risky and most profitable thing you can do in EVE at the moment. There is virtually zero risk to it, and if done correctly you can make 20-60 mil an hour easily. It all comes down to your knowledge, where you are and what you do.
Low sec missioning is slightly more profitable, but due to the risk and the anti-gank measures you have to take, it ends up not being more valuable.
Anyone who says that missions involve any risk whatsoever, or pays too little needs a brain job. (In my opinion)
Today, only hardcore trading and scamming can rival missionrunning in it's iskgeneration. (To my knowledge)
When you say most profitable you are taking bull****ting to entire new levels.
I knew a margintrader that could earn 4-6 billion isk in one evening session. Ofcourse trading has a risk which can lead you to going negative but still saying that 25m/hour is comparable to 1 bill/hour is not a good comparision. It also requires an outlook and the kind of ability that rather few people possess. But there are some who never leave stations and enjoy it.
I wont comment on production income and such since that is entirely dependant on what BPOs the industrialist have access to.
But exploration and plexing is another viable way of making isk that over time outperforms missionrunning. Ofcourse it has higher risk and require more from the player but its still a good way of making isk.
For purely combatoriented pilots doing missions in 0.0 is probably the best isk/hour maker there is assuming ofcourse that the region you are running in is a blue zone for you. |
Forum Chav
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Galvanized high sec mission running for the " right " corp and also low sec mission running in the right area make me approx 100mill a day easily for about 2 hrs wrk. And as the previous poster said my manufacturing base is in between these areas i use so i " produce " large ammounts of items every time i fly tthrough which nets me another 200m a week on top..pays for the GTC...
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HyperZerg
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Posted - 2009.01.15 13:29:00 -
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If you have some Skills/Knowledge level 4 are a very nice income. I do around 50 mio/h.
Kronos > Dominix
In the Kronos, fit 4 weapons,Tractor/Salvager, 2 Dmg-Mods and rest a little Tank ~800 DPS. Dominix with nbertank ans Salvager/Tractors ~450DPS Dominix with ShieldTank and weapons ~800.
Dominix is still a good Mission-Ship, but a Kronos is just a little better ;) |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:28:00 -
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I find all the isk / hour numbers extremely suspect, btw. People often time a mission, calculate how much it gives, then go on about the high figure they got, forgettin or ignoring all the other things they spend time on, like isk/h calculations. I've also heard (read) people saying they spend "a few minutes per month" making lp into isk or selling loot/manufactured stuff, which I also find bogus.
I have timed and calculated the value of many missions by now, but I have no hard data on my actual isk/h, since I do a whole lot of other things besides just undock to run the mission.
To me, actual isk/h would be time logged on, w/ Eve client(s) or Eve related 3rd party tools or resources (like this forum) active, while basically doing missionrunning, vs isk gained. This time would have to include any market research, spreadsheet making, bp buying, bp or other organizing, transporting mats & goods, setting sell orders / contracts, and so on, that you use to actually get the most isk for your stuff. If you just use mineral value, then you'd have to include a resonable figure for the time spent to actually make those minerals into isk. If you just click refine & sell in your missionhub, you're not going to get top market value for them, obviously.
I "liquidate" a little loot/lp every now and then, but really only got rid of it (nearly) all once so far, and Qui is almost two years old, so I have no chance to calculate actual isk/h. I do okay, but the real figure is nowhere near (isk+loot value gained) / (time between undocking to run mission and docking with loot)
That's a nice figure to compare missions to other missions, to find out which ones are more profitable, but it's a totally bogus figure to compare missionrunning to other isk making methods. |
DIN0SAUR JUNIOR
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:36:00 -
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Make 20+ mil an hour in a 60 mil ISK ship (Drake) whilst practically sleeping?
Viable way of making ISK? Yes. Boring? Also yes. Most lucrative thing to do in the game? Probably not. But how many other ways can a <10 mil SP player make 20 mil an hour solo? |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon ...stuff
Yes, what you're pointing out is correct, but as long as people understand that the ISK/hour calculations are meant as a benchmark measure to compare against others in terms of mission efficiency, then that's all they are. If you count ALL the time people spend playing the game, browsing forums, making up spreadsheets, etc. then nobody actually makes any ISK because we all could be doing other, more productive, things to earn income outside the game...
Having said that, I'm going back to work... |
sukmanobov
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.01.15 17:05:00 -
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"the Assault" Serpentis has to be one of best ISK/Bounty missions out there.
End bountys range in the 30mill and Loot takes you way past 50mill+
Also the usual Angel Extravaganza, Damsel in distress is ok. But im using Minm Char so gettinmg angel missions is fairly easy GE is no worth as much as AE
P.s. Amarr mission may have no bounty ISK so slavage is needed. But the melted caps and Tags are worth a small fortune |
Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2009.01.15 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Perseus D'Solos When I left, mission running wasn't particularly fun or profitable, IMO atleast, and I was doing it in deepest low-sec.
As to "fun" I think it's improved greatly. There are many more different missions now, so it's not the same 2 or 3 all the time.
As to lucrative, I wasn't doing it a year ago, but I think it's quite lucrative. In a 0.1 system you can get around 10,000 LP from a mission that takes 15-20 minutes. I value my LP at at least 2000 isk/LP and up to 5000 isk/LP, so you could say I was making a **** ton of isk. But of course it's all on paper and won't be in my wallet until I make a serious effort to research and trade and finally sell my LP store items.
In cash I'd say average 25 million per hour without really straining myself, and then there is the salvage and loot. .............
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