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Rifter Drifter
Minmatar You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:32:00 -
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That is the question!
t2 med pulses are performing nicely, but only on t1 cruisers atm
i also enjoy my geddon for teh more "serious" gate related activities - but am currently t1 pulse only =0
i R an pirate, so HAC's or t2 large pulse?
pro's n cons?
to me.. t2 larges will make me more y'know.. whorish in the geddon, whilst HAC's are obviously.. more fun (ish) also have t2 med projectiles and ALL lT gunnery support skills maxxed.
gogogo!
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:38:00 -
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Cruiser V
FREE! jumpclone service û now 146 locations! |
Rifter Drifter
Minmatar You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Cruiser V
see, what i dont get is.. whilst all the cool kids fly hac's n cruisers.. they just seem to blow up so fast.. i don't get the attraction, its like a more epxensive, less damaging, much more fragile version of a BS.
i know, i know "agility, speed" n all that stuff.. but at the end of the day.. wat. i mean the Zealot for example, its trying to be a dps beast.. but err.. Geddon anyone? or raven? i just don get the need for cruiser sized DPS, when the gates are gonna pressure it, and any semi competent BS is going to neut it, and web it AND do more damage.
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acs
shadow and flame Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:41:00 -
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I agree - Amarr Cruiser V. You'll love the Zealot!
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Rifter Drifter
Minmatar You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: acs I agree - Amarr Cruiser V. You'll love the Zealot!
i feel so ignored.
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acs
shadow and flame Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.15 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rifter Drifter
i feel so ignored.
Oh, wasn't my intention :-)
HAC's are great for quick deployment, and they spit out fearsome DPS. But it all really comes down to what YOU like, like everything else in Eve. You are right - the tech 2 ships of Eve are more expensive, insurance isn't good and some are even pure glass cannons. But they do indeed have their pros as well. It all depends on the tactics in play.
Go for Large Energy Turret V if an Amarr BS is what you wanna spend most of your time in, or do Amarr Cruiser V if you want to try out the HAC world. Two entirely different approaches PVP-wise as you also point out.
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Cromzor
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Posted - 2009.01.15 00:49:00 -
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Most consider a "good" pvper as someone who wins more than they lose. A good way to make sure you always win is to only engage when you have a superior force. A faster ship will be more likely to escape when you dont like the odds. I think the HAC strikes a good balance of dps to agility. Do you pvp in low sec or 0.0? Can a HAC tank sentry guns? |
Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.01.15 00:56:00 -
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Really depnds on what you do PvP wise? do you concentrate on Low sec? or split your time between low sec/0.0? What kind of pewpew do you like, solo, small gang, fleets etc. If you are a mainly low sec player and find yourself fighting under gate/station guns allot then Large Energy V is probably better as a BS is the ship of choice. if you like blet piracy and solo/small gang hunting then Cruiser V might be an option + training up Recons could be an option. Amarr Recons are pretty good, the Pilgrim can be used in low sec as with a bit of jiggery-pokery you can fit everything you need + a 1600 plate and ofc the Curse still has that OMG factor when your enemy see's you on scan.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.01.15 02:36:00 -
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t2 larges, the camping geddon/abaddon is so much nicer with t2 guns.
although if you like to move around a lot, maybe the cruiser 5.
didn't like the zealot much for camping, does okay, but just doesnt have the fire power or staying power of the battleship. |
Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:03:00 -
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If you are going to also train Battleship 5 as soon as you finish Lrgs. Beam/Pulse spec. 4 then go for that.
Otherwise, Zelot -> Absolution medium t2 lazors. -----------
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:22:00 -
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I'd go with the turrets 1st then you can still keep your current ships and get used to using T2 turrets - [get up to level 4] then move up to cruiser 5 so you can stuff T2 weapons on the HAC when you get it ..
-- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rifter Drifter
Originally by: Estel Arador Cruiser V
see, what i dont get is.. whilst all the cool kids fly hac's n cruisers.. they just seem to blow up so fast.. i don't get the attraction, its like a more epxensive, less damaging, much more fragile version of a BS.
i know, i know "agility, speed" n all that stuff.. but at the end of the day.. wat. i mean the Zealot for example, its trying to be a dps beast.. but err.. Geddon anyone? or raven? i just don get the need for cruiser sized DPS, when the gates are gonna pressure it, and any semi competent BS is going to neut it, and web it AND do more damage.
Best summerized when I roamed with a HAC/BC gang in my BS. A carrier undocked from a station with a load of friends, all the HACs and BC were able to run. As I aligned out I got tackled, pointed and killed.
Small ships are great. |
JoeT
Amarr Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2009.01.16 02:21:00 -
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Sicne it sounds like you perfer your geddon, train to t2 guns, then do HACs.
I have had both of these for i dunno how long. For faster roaming gangs, HACs are much better then a geddon, but since you say pirate, i am guessing lots of senty tanking ect ect and a geddon jsut is better there (cost wise...) |
Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.16 05:06:00 -
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I'm the kind of pirate who hunts people down at asteroid belts or probes them out running missions or at safe spots. I roam through lowsec quite a bit, and frequently encounter hostile gatecamps. So I would go for the Amarr Cruiser V, thinking of HACs and Recon Ships, and preferring their ability to warp away before being tackled or make it back to the gate before being killed, on top of the ability (for Recons) of hunting while cloaked. I've been in too many gangs where the slow guy gets killed and everyone else gets away. Furthermore, as many of my targets are frigate- or cruiser-size, I would see large turrets as a liability (tracking issues) more than a plus. And finally, I really like flying ships well, and so when I do move up to battleships, it won't just be turrets I'll be getting to V, but also the support skills for battleships and large modules across the board; for the time being, I've still got a ways to go to maximize my efficiency in medium-sized ships.
But, if we were the sort of pirate outfit that spent more time camping gates or camping stations, I might well prefer going for battleship prowess before T2 cruisers. This would also be helpful for people wanting fleet warfare in nullsec. Battleships really do what they do cheaper and with fitting advantages compared with their T2 cruiser analogs.
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.16 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rifter Drifter
Originally by: Estel Arador Cruiser V
see, what i dont get is.. whilst all the cool kids fly hac's n cruisers.. they just seem to blow up so fast.. i don't get the attraction, its like a more epxensive, less damaging, much more fragile version of a BS.
i know, i know "agility, speed" n all that stuff.. but at the end of the day.. wat. i mean the Zealot for example, its trying to be a dps beast.. but err.. Geddon anyone? or raven? i just don get the need for cruiser sized DPS, when the gates are gonna pressure it, and any semi competent BS is going to neut it, and web it AND do more damage.
It sounds like you've already made up your mind tbh and that you just want some people to tell you it's a good choice
I'll do it! If you enjoy flying BS in gatecamps, then train T2 large guns first! |
Major Reach
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.16 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Major Reach on 16/01/2009 11:40:10 Cruiser 5 will also sort out with HICs and if your spending all your time on a gate it becomes pretty handy, it really is the most versatile skill to have.
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Caffeine Junkie
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.01.16 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Caffeine Junkie on 16/01/2009 12:06:01
Cruiser V
Enables (with some extra skill training)
Guardian, Zealot, Sac, Devoter, Curse and in time Absolution. |
fivetide humidyear
Gallente EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:57:00 -
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crusier 5 for all the reasons above but for cheap thrills and kills don't forget battlecrusier 5 for the harbinger. |
Sheindo
Amarr Unconventional Oversights
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Posted - 2009.01.17 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: fivetide humidyear crusier 5 for all the reasons above but for cheap thrills and kills don't forget battlecrusier 5 for the harbinger.
I double that 花は桜木人は武士 |
Bravard
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Posted - 2009.01.17 16:32:00 -
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Depends what you want mate.
I trained up cruiser 5 first as I worked up methodically in training, then battlecruisers 5 and maxed out battlecruisers and command ships and now I'm working on maxing out battleship.
However, to fly an armageddon well and effectively (that is, not having to buy mega modulated pulses every refitting) you really need Mega Pulse IIs.
I prefer flying my armageddon tbh, I can never find a fit I am happy with the zealot. It is a good ship though, I'm maxed out at flying it, but I don't like it that much compared to other ships.
The only reason I would train Amarr Cruiser V (if I could again) is for the curse/pilgrim which are incredible ships which I love.
But at the end of the day, it depends on you. Do you want to fly smaller ships to fit in with the warfare your corp does? Or do you want to be a damage dealing battleship that melts faces, but is slow and vulnerable? |
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Exuscon
Amarr Frontier Explorations Inc. CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.19 01:46:00 -
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Harbinger is also viable.
I just got in a tustle with 2 ravens and a cerb and just about killed one of the ravens.
Yeah ,I lost but, Im still learning and feel Harbinger when flown right can actualy put a zealot to shame. "Save the tree! Wipe your arse with an owl instead."
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Exuscon Harbinger is also viable.
I just got in a tustle with 2 ravens and a cerb and just about killed one of the ravens.
Yeah ,I lost but, Im still learning and feel Harbinger when flown right can actualy put a zealot to shame.
All the tier-2 battlecruisers will out-DPS and out-tank their HAC equivalents. In a stand-up slugfest, they're a better choice (and cheaper).
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