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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:23:00 -
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Quote: as for why you use a laptop, does your job require it? do you just enjoy playing eve while running around in circles? i cannot see a reason for owning a laptop beyond it being a tool for work. if u only use your pc for computing while at home, then get a desktop. so what if it's alot bigger, if your never taking it from your home, it doesn't matter.
I've seen this garbage so many times today it's making my eyes bleed! I keep reminding myself that I'm playing a Sci-fi game about spaceships and laser beams and many here still don't see how idiotic there anti laptop comments are going to sound in about 2 or 3 years.
I've only used a laptop for a year and 1/2 and I still can't see how anyone would be able to accept having a giant computer bolted to the floor in some dark corner of your house. I play eve on my patio while I'm smoking a cigarette and talking to the GF, turn it on when I'm in bed just to set skills or check my mail. I take the dammed thing with me when I go out of town.
I know many are of the old mindset that you have to have a desk top to play games but thatĘs straight out of 1999. Every day laptop performance gets closer to that of a desktop. ItĘs only a matter of time folks and itĘs not on a Sci-fi time scale here. This is happening now. I won't have a desktop anywhere but work as long as I live I swear it.
Desktops are evolving into business machines and high end graphics drivers. The number of people who are going to own a desktop just to play games is not going to be enough to support CCP. The total lack of imagination and foresight in a community of people playing a Science fiction game is mind blowing.
CCP is not trying to eliminate laptop players in fact they have made adjustments just to include laptop players because they know thatĘs the future and if games don't evolve graphically at super speed for the next several years because of it thatĘs just the way it is. Running in circles... humph!
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:02:00 -
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I've found that a lot more laptops are excluded from playing EVE than was reported earlier in this thread. Some of these machines were purchased in the last year and are not all the extreme low end that most of the desk toppers claim they are.
Many recent laptops with integrated video chips including as recent as intel GM945 chipset family. I understand that these laptops were not put together with gaming in mind but the systems using the integrated video cards were not always low end and were produced in massive quantities. These Systems ran classic well enough that the average new player would never notice slow performance until getting into group battles.
I purchased my laptop in July of 2007 for around $1,100. I didn't really have gaming in mind at the time. The system is not low end in any way except the crappy integrated graphics card. (Windows Vista, Intel core Duo processor, 2GB RAM, big hard drive etc) Specs looked much better than most that I looked at. If I would have known what to look for, in hindsight I would have gotten one with a separate video card but *Shrug*
So now you have more than a tiny few players "as most of you put it" Who can't play EVE. Many of them didn't even suspect they had a problem since their systems were fairly new and may have cost them over a thousand dollars, not the few hundred some keep saying.
I know... Laptop's aren't for gaming right? Well, since a home desktops' only practicle use is to play games, I guess EVE will help keep desktops a viable consumer product for a while longer anyway.
Seriously, a normal person (someone with a life) isn't going to justify spending at least $1,000.00 for a halfway decent desktop just to play a game when they've got a much more practical machine that does everything but already. It's difficult enough to find the time to play EVE without locking myself in the spare bedroom for 4 hours.
Is it so difficult for people to understand that there are people who like to play EVE who may not take it quite as seriously as they do? People who don't care if the Graphics are the super uberest ever! To me, it's the die hard 30+ year old gamer who wants that desktop just so they can play a video game who's not understanding how the world works.
And CCP gets a fail grade on this. What should you expect from a company full of Computer geeks? That kind of person is always going to think everyone will want to spend thousands of dollars on a super terrific, huge, unmovable game playing machine. Duh!
/Rant
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hornychef Hello CCP,
Ummm....could you make a definitive statement on the Premium Lite client?
I've trawled through a lot of forums and seen (many) comments from players that Premium Lite == Premium with everything turned down.
Just curious as I can no longer play on my Acer Aspire One with the Premium client even though the Intel 945GM supports shader 2.
Any reply as to support for a low end Premium Lite client would be much appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Chef
I'm not 100% certain but I think we are out of luck. I checked before the update and thought I was safe because intel says 945GM chipset supports shader 2.
There is something I don't quite understand about those cards needing some kind of software boost to acheive shader 2 and EVE now lists all intel GM express chipsets below 965 as unsupported on the update page.
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tadesae on 11/03/2009 22:33:16
Originally by: ZONAC wow.. it has finally come. the day that my gaming is to be suspended not do to my inability to pay nor my dislike of the game that i have been playing for the last 2 1/2 years. but due to the fact that my laptop is shader compatible but my card is not to CCP's liking.. so while i wait to gain the cash to repair my gaming system that forced me into the laptop, i have to decide to ether suspend my character and save the money and loose the skill time or skill and keep paying the ransom and wait for the money for the pc parts.. but i ask a question?.. I am not in a poor on the street position or living with no resources but my cash is on a as needed basis and ranked on whats important and what is not.. i started playing eve due to my dislike of watching television .. what about the players that are in a position that they are too strapped to upgrade?.. you have just removed those players from a game.. your game.. our game.. there game? why? are we at the point that all players are not in reality equal?.. those who can be better in real life. the game, our game, your game, there game, will only support those? yes the cooperate ugliness is starting to show it self.
I will make my decision on what i will do but CCP you need to look at yourselves again, and ask your selves. is this game full of players our your own select friends?.. and where is this game really going? because the feel of the game that first attracted me when i started play had a attractive CCP influence and has morphed! and I feel the cooperates direction is moving in a nasty direction. its now your game.. and we cannot call it a community because we just left some of our members in the cold.
I think this has more to do with a failure to recognise changes in the way people use computers by the gaming industry as a whole. As long as you can play a game on a laptop, developers are going to see that people find the games and play them. When you remove the ability for the average person to find a game because the platform most people have can't run it you loose a lot of business.
I don't think treating laptop players who find the game like second class citizens is a very good business model. It's not that I can't play anymore, it's that the only response you get is; "you can't do that on a laptop" It's irritating because you can do that on a laptop. For a while anyway.
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tadesae on 12/03/2009 02:15:22 Well I wouldn't get anything with an integrated graphics card. They are pretty much all garbage and I should know since I have one. lol You need to research it because there are a whole lot of chipsets whose stats say they support shader 2 and either don't or don't do it well enough to play EVE anymore. Keep in mind you can't upgrade video cards on a laptop so In the future I will look for a laptop with a good independent video card before I even look at the other stats.
I wouldn't expect to get more than six-eight months out of anything that only supports shader 2. CCP has already said they may upgrade to Shader 3 in the winter patch
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hornychef Lots of discussion here. For me I have my wee netbook and want to play Eve when I am away on business or to play downstairs so I can actually be in the same room as the wife most days of the week. So I would really like to be able to play Eve on a "lesser" system even just to do some mining or other small task.
So I'll re-iterate my question again. Can CCP please reply whether they are supplying a Premium Lite version that will run on Shader 2 netbooks?
Thanks in advance,
Chef
I agree with you. CCP, by trying to be on the cutting edge misses a golden opprotunity to truly be in on the real innovation. They should be bringing in new customers and building goodwill with the ones they have but instead hack most of their customer base off to try and keep up with the other blind PC geeks.
A link to state the obvious. Seems like gamers may be the last to hear about this? http://www.techshout.com/laptops/2008/24/laptop-sales-overtake-desktop-pc-sales/
I can't see how forcing themselves into a niche market is going to make them any more money. Nobody thinks they shouldn't pursue cutting edge graphics but they had the best of both worlds and threw it away to short sightedly save a few dollars.
The real issue here is the complete lack of support or even a sypathetic ear for laptop players. The response is always the same. "we don't care. don't play games on a laptop" Talk about ignoring reality. And to think... they could have ruled the world!
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:53:00 -
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On something more related to the topic. Some of the cards CCP says are not supported will actually run the game even though they don't do it very well.
From Eve supported graphics card page:
The following graphic cards are not supported by EVE
ATI Radeon VE / U1 / 7000 ATI Rage Fury / Rage128 Pro Diamond Viper II Z200 Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 Intel Extreme Graphics Onboard Intel chips, such as the Intel740, the Express 3D Graphics Card, and the 82830M/82815/82810/82845G/82852/82855/945GM GM/GME Graphics Controllers Voodoo 3 3000 Voodoo 5 5500 Voodoo4 4500 Riva TNT/TNT2 Matrox Millenium - G400 & G450 S3 Graphics ProSavageDDR SiS« 650/740 Graphics Controller
It does seem like there is still some confusion about this. I can run the game in premium lite with intel GM 945 chipset. From other posts I gather that this and other intel chipsets use software to attain shader 2. My understanding is that if you have this chipset your other stats will determine the level at which you'll be able to play eve.
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:05:00 -
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To be honest, I was only on for a little while last night and mostly just talked to corpmates and now I'm at work so I can't check.
I never checked FPS when I was on classic because it only ever skipped when I was in a decent sized group running missions and there really wasnt anything I could do about it anyway. All I know is I ran out of station for a couple jumps and back. Just a little skippy when approaching the gates but overall better than I thought it would be. Real test will come tonight when I try to run a few missions. Of course, I can get that FPS tonight if you still need it.
Almost gave up on it yesterday when I saw my chipset not supported but auto installer came up when I tried it last night. I have no idea why because It didnt work the day before. make sure you download the latest drivers from intel's site because windows intaller may not have been keeping mine up to date. I was sure all my drivers were up to date from running windows update. In the end I'm not sure if it was a driver problem or CCP made some kind of change but I was able to log in and talk to friends at least. Hope that helps
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tadesae on 13/03/2009 01:53:45
Originally by: lebanski
Originally by: Tadesae To be honest, I was only on for a little while last night and mostly just talked to corpmates and now I'm at work so I can't check.
I never checked FPS when I was on classic because it only ever skipped when I was in a decent sized group running missions and there really wasnt anything I could do about it anyway. All I know is I ran out of station for a couple jumps and back. Just a little skippy when approaching the gates but overall better than I thought it would be. Real test will come tonight when I try to run a few missions. Of course, I can get that FPS tonight if you still need it.
Edit: Servers are still screwy but I'm in and undocked, warped to belt, warped to gate jumped through with no visual problems.
FPS at undock and cruising away from station~ as high as 28 stable around 25. FPS at belt and approaching roids ~ 12 - 14 FPS at gate and Jump ~ 12-14 diped to 8 when I jumped.
I'm running Core Duo processor and 2GB of ram on a gateway laptop.
Hope that helps.
Almost gave up on it yesterday when I saw my chipset not supported but auto installer came up when I tried it last night. I have no idea why because It didnt work the day before. make sure you download the latest drivers from intel's site because windows intaller may not have been keeping mine up to date. I was sure all my drivers were up to date from running windows update. In the end I'm not sure if it was a driver problem or CCP made some kind of change but I was able to log in and talk to friends at least. Hope that helps
Ihave the same chipset and updated the drivers yesterday.
have you experienced any freeze out/system crashing/blue screen when doing anything other than sit in a station?
I logged in tonight but the server went down or booted me and a lot of others after only a few minutes. Plenty of threads about it so its not just me.
I was on last night for half an hour or so. undocked, jumped to gate and back to station. I never crashed or saw blue screen. I only noticed a little skipping when I approached the gate.
My system seemed stable. When I first logged in yesterday I had full premium enabled and in station it was very skippy and slow. I typed out a couple conversations and rotated the view around my ship before I logged out and reset my settings and had no other problems the short time I was on. Will let you all know FPS and other when if the server comes back up.
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.13 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tadesae on 13/03/2009 02:19:17 Server is still screwy but I managed to log in, taxi away from station, warp to belt, warp to gate and jump through gate. No visual problems.
FPS at undock and taxing away ~ 23-28 Stable around 24 FPS while warping and approaching asteroids ~ 11-13 FPS approaching gate ~ 11-14 FPS at jump dipped to 8
I'm running Core Duo processor, intel945GM chipset and 2GB ram on my gateway laptop.
Edit: No problems engaging a pair of rats. FPS in the 20's Granted I'm alone still.
Hope that helps somebody
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.18 01:07:00 -
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Even though most of you can figure it out on your own I think its worth mentioning that the optimize settings for for performance tool CCP directs everyone to use doesnt work properly. At least not for me, or probably anyone who is running inferior SM2 supporting hardware. You need to manually set everything to low since optimizing set some options to medium for me. Just add that to CCP's fail list.
I don't begrudge them for upgrading to SM2 but I think its been handled very badly. Many like me were under the false impression that since their vid card said it was SM2 compatible we would still be able to play. I've yet to see anything from them about it which would have been nice. Even if it was post patch I would have appreciated knowing what I could expect instead of hoping the system wasnt running as expected.
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:07:00 -
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The warnings they did give us were very confusing. All the talk of a nonexistant premium lite had me ignoring the warning at log in about not being able to use premium graphics. I still don't know if that was intended but I believed I would be good once they installed the patch.
Anywayz I can still play sortof so... I just feel I was led to believe my system would run better than it does. I've altered my play style to strictly industial/ science/ trade. No more missioning for me. I'm just not happy with the way it was handled, not asking CCP to buy me a new laptop.
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