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Mathieollo
Ind Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:37:00 -
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i think it would be nice if ammo/charges were added that are meant to be used in non kill pvp duels or training/etc, basically they would be simply identical to the current charges and ammo ingame except with one difference, completely unable to deplete the structure of a ship.
that way you could more easily duel or spar or train or however you like to call it with friends using the same (functionally, except for structure depletion removed) ammo types, with the same damage type and stats as the real lethal ones without the risk of either person losing a ship due to a very bad miss match (say one person does a lot more damage than expected and accidentally destroys his opponents ship for example) or other reasons without unintentional losses being possible beyond repair charges.
i think it would be useful to have as you could have safe duels and such as well as tournaments with zero possibility of either player losing a ship, or you could test your newly devised fitting against a corp mate you know has a very good fitting and more easily get a decent idea of how well you did.
anyway, thanks for reading this thread, let me know what you think.
Math |
betoli
Morior Invictus. KRYSIS.
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:43:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:i think it would be nice if ammo/charges were added that are meant to be used in non kill pvp duels or training/etc, basically they would be simply identical to the current charges and ammo ingame except with one difference, completely unable to deplete the structure of a ship.
that way you could more easily duel or spar or train or however you like to call it with friends using the same (functionally, except for structure depletion removed) ammo types, with the same damage type and stats as the real lethal ones without the risk of either person losing a ship due to a very bad miss match (say one person does a lot more damage than expected and accidentally destroys his opponents ship for example) or other reasons without unintentional losses being possible beyond repair charges.
lol :-) |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:44:00 -
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not sure what to make of that. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.18 10:01:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:not sure what to make of that.
I would suggest searching for other similar ideas about safe / practice pvp.....
This may have saved you from the iminent flamefest......
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.04.18 10:20:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:i think it would be nice if ammo/charges were added that are meant to be used in non kill pvp duels or training/etc, basically they would be simply identical to the current charges and ammo ingame except with one difference, completely unable to deplete the structure of a ship.
that way you could more easily duel or spar or train or however you like to call it with friends using the same (functionally, except for structure depletion removed) ammo types, with the same damage type and stats as the real lethal ones without the risk of either person losing a ship due to a very bad miss match (say one person does a lot more damage than expected and accidentally destroys his opponents ship for example) or other reasons without unintentional losses being possible beyond repair charges.
i think it would be useful to have as you could have safe duels and such as well as tournaments with zero possibility of either player losing a ship, or you could test your newly devised fitting against a corp mate you know has a very good fitting and more easily get a decent idea of how well you did.
anyway, thanks for reading this thread, let me know what you think.
Math
Nope. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 10:28:00 -
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We need that magic ammo ASAP because "to the hull" agreement with your corpie is too much work. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:05:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Mathieollo wrote:not sure what to make of that. I would suggest searching for other similar ideas about safe / practice pvp..... This may have saved you from the iminent flamefest......
yeah i saw the arenas discussion, what about it?
also, way to welcome people to the community, not a surprise though, eve is one of the best games of all time for rewarding pointless dickery.
Schmata Bastanold wrote:We need that magic ammo ASAP because "to the hull" agreement with your corpie is too much work.
also, way to assume everyone is an armor or hull tank, that's ignorance, flames, wow, this is getting better by the second. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:08:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:also, way to welcome people to the community, not a surprise though, eve is one of the best games of all time for rewarding pointless dickery.
So why do you play, again? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:09:00 -
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the rewarding of pointless dickery, like everyone else. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:20:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:the rewarding of pointless dickery, like everyone else.
So you complain about thing that is a reason for you to play? Clever. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:33:00 -
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i know that parts of the game world are lawless yes, i didn't think the forums were as well however, now would you mind removing your flames from this thread until and when you have something constructive and non-offensive to add? |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:39:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:i know that parts of the game world are lawless yes, i didn't think the forums were as well however, now would you mind removing your flames from this thread until and when you have something constructive and non-offensive to add?
First of my posts was my answer, you agree to go only to the hull and case closed. Implementing rubber bullets is pointless. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:45:00 -
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are you really that stupid?
as i said above, not everyone is an armor or structure tank and the duel may be far more outmatched than either participant can anticipate, also it would prevent people from griefing pvp tournaments, they could force the requirement to use the non hull ammo to join and not be able to kill the loser whether they want to or not. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
72
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:55:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:are you really that stupid?
as i said above, not everyone is an armor or structure tank and the duel may be far more outmatched than either participant can anticipate, also it would prevent people from griefing pvp tournaments, they could force the requirement to use the non hull ammo to join and not be able to kill the loser whether they want to or not.
Have you ever actually participate in a duel with your corpie to test your fit? You don't check new rifter fit against arty thrasher that will alpha you outside of range of your guns, you go versus another frig and against skills of your opponent (not only in game skills, player's skills and experience matter even more).
As of griefing in pvp tournaments usually rewards for winning are far more valuable than ship you fly. Also griefing implies not wanted aggression, participation in pvp tournament is a clear statement that you agree with aggro other participants will bring upon you.
Your ammo would serve only one purpose: fluffing your ego in "duels" that would involve zero risk of losing ship. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Velicitia
Open Designs
843
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:11:00 -
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you know, there is always SISI... |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:13:00 -
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and you have a problem with that? you have a problem with being able to test your fitting against anyone with no risk of losing a ship or SP? seriously? why? you got issues man.
you're just not making any sense at all no matter how many different ways i try to wrap my head around this phallacy of logic you're created for yourself.
how does that upset you? i can test a fitting? that means i can kill you easier? nope, not directly, it means i can more easily test my fitting and therefore more easily min max it more effectively and therefore possibly achieve a better fitting and possibly develop one appropriate to counter others fittings, i'll give you that being able to test just how effective you can be in pvp on a whim though and i mean this when i say no offense intended but, what's wrong with that?
i mean, i understand it's not easy to estimate how well you should be able to do against other players, but does it have to be locked and barred behind iron clad gates with razorblades on the doorknob?
that's the only explanation that makes sense to me anyway.
as for pvp tournaments, why do you assume the rewards are always the motivation? maybe i saw an advertisement can and got talked into it but didn't really want to participate, hell maybe i want to pod a specific competitor for some reason as well. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
65
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:20:00 -
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@OP
Firstly, welcome to the EvE forums. Not everyone will give you **** answers but most will.
Secondly, might I respectfully suggest that for the purpose of self-preservation you use the search function to research your ideas prior to posting them please?
This will serve two purposes: 1) It'll stop your blood boiling from all the flames directed your way & 2) It'll mean that people who read this forum ad nauseum won't have to read the same thing they read quite as often.
You wouldn't believe how many people post the same things, occasionally attempting to package them differently thinking that people won't notice. However, they always do and the OP just seems like even more of a fool.
Just as an example I would avoid posting:
a) ]AFK cloaking blah blah
b) Buying/swapping/respeccing skill points
c) Training zones/ammo
d) New ships (unless you find a role which isn't currently filled)
e) Anything that completely protects you from others.
Just trying to give you a heads up. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
843
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:25:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:and you have a problem with that? you have a problem with being able to test your fitting against anyone with no risk of losing a ship or SP? seriously? why? you got issues man.
only time I've ever lost a ship in a lol duel (i.e. "hey, help me test my tank" with a corpie), said corpie replaced the ship and fittings for me. Unless you're ******* around in Strat. Cruisers, there is ZERO (0) chance of losing SP.
If you want "zero risk" duels, go log into Sisi. 100 isk ships/modules of any size you could want (sans stuff that needs to be built/looted from plexes -- i.e. faction/officer). do a little insurance fraud and you can have as many ships to throw away as you want.
Mathieollo wrote: how does that upset you? i can test a fitting? that means i can kill you easier? nope, not directly, it means i can more easily test my fitting and therefore more easily min max it more effectively and therefore possibly achieve a better fitting and possibly develop one appropriate to counter others fittings, i'll give you that being able to test just how effective you can be in pvp on a whim though and i mean this when i say no offense intended but, what's wrong with that?
lol ammo (what you're looking for) would give you zero ability to test a fitting. I mean, seriously -- you're "perfectly" tanked against a thrasher with lolammo ... now you DIAF to a thrasher with real ammo, and QQ here that it's not fair because the lolammo has a different damage profile than real ammo.
Again, go to Sisi if you want to "freely" replace ships.
Mathieollo wrote:i mean, i understand it's not easy to estimate how well you should be able to do against other players, but does it have to be locked and barred behind iron clad gates with razorblades on the doorknob? obviously you're using the wrong door here...
Mathieollo wrote:as for pvp tournaments, ... maybe i want to pod a specific competitor for some reason as well. Welcome to EVE |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:32:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Mathieollo wrote:and you have a problem with that? you have a problem with being able to test your fitting against anyone with no risk of losing a ship or SP? seriously? why? you got issues man. only time I've ever lost a ship in a lol duel (i.e. "hey, help me test my tank" with a corpie), said corpie replaced the ship and fittings for me. Unless you're ******* around in Strat. Cruisers, there is ZERO (0) chance of losing SP. If you want "zero risk" duels, go log into Sisi. 100 isk ships/modules of any size you could want (sans stuff that needs to be built/looted from plexes -- i.e. faction/officer). do a little insurance fraud and you can have as many ships to throw away as you want. Mathieollo wrote: how does that upset you? i can test a fitting? that means i can kill you easier? nope, not directly, it means i can more easily test my fitting and therefore more easily min max it more effectively and therefore possibly achieve a better fitting and possibly develop one appropriate to counter others fittings, i'll give you that being able to test just how effective you can be in pvp on a whim though and i mean this when i say no offense intended but, what's wrong with that?
lol ammo (what you're looking for) would give you zero ability to test a fitting. I mean, seriously -- you're "perfectly" tanked against a thrasher with lolammo ... now you DIAF to a thrasher with real ammo, and QQ here that it's not fair because the lolammo has a different damage profile than real ammo. Again, go to Sisi if you want to "freely" replace ships. Mathieollo wrote:i mean, i understand it's not easy to estimate how well you should be able to do against other players, but does it have to be locked and barred behind iron clad gates with razorblades on the doorknob? obviously you're using the wrong door here... Mathieollo wrote:as for pvp tournaments, ... maybe i want to pod a specific competitor for some reason as well. Welcome to EVE
wow... finally some real replies, both from the same person, but thanks all the same.
1&2: fair enough and thanks for the info about SISI.
3. how so? i mean, sure some people hull tank but.... can you explain in more detail? i'm not understanding here, only change i suggested was not being able to destroy structure, so... sure against structure tanks it's a badly thought out suggestion, but against the rest it would be identical except zero hull damage, how is that "zero ability to test a fitting"?
4. i sure hope so, assumptions are typically wrong even when they are educated guesses and i admit that was a bit borderline of a train of thought i had going there but... it makes sense still, pvpers don't want pve players to be able to effectively build pvp without minimal participation in it, but... is it really that scary that anyone could build a pvp effective fitting without a lot of trial and error or SISI?
5. it's happened, he wasn't specifically targeted, but the web and warp scrambler did confuse him until his pod blew up, i got expelled from ever participating again and the judges claimed i lost, satisfactory outcome for me to be honest. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:43:00 -
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You know what is even more funny than your magic ammo idea? Being 2006 character and not knowing about SiSi. Unless you discovered toon bazaar as a first Eve feature, that would explain even more :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:55:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:You know what is even more funny than your magic ammo idea? Being 2006 character and not knowing about SiSi. Unless you discovered toon bazaar as a first Eve feature, that would explain even more :)
yeah it is kind of funny, i was too interested in other MMOs to subscribe to eve before a few weeks ago, 1.5mil of that SP is from 4 day trials when expansions happened. :) |
Velicitia
Open Designs
846
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:18:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote: 3. how so? i mean, sure some people hull tank but.... can you explain in more detail? i'm not understanding here, only change i suggested was not being able to destroy structure, so... sure against structure tanks it's a badly thought out suggestion, but against the rest it would be identical except zero hull damage, how is that "zero ability to test a fitting"?
Missed that part then. However, not taking hull damage will only give you (at best) about 66% of the story in terms of survivability. I mean, you need to know how long you can hull tank something so that your fleetmates can arrive...
Mathieollo wrote:4. i sure hope so, assumptions are typically wrong even when they are educated guesses and i admit that was a bit borderline of a train of thought i had going there but... it makes sense still, pvpers don't want pve players to be able to effectively build pvp without minimal participation in it, but... is it really that scary that anyone could build a pvp effective fitting without a lot of trial and error or SISI?
No, you can build good PvP fits on TQ. You're the one wanting "safety" from getting exploded though, and as stated, Sisi lets you do really stupid things with no risk (up to capitals, not sure if you can get supers ... haven't bothered to check though).
Mathieollo wrote:5. it's happened, he wasn't specifically targeted, but the web and warp scrambler did confuse him until his pod blew up, i got expelled from ever participating again and the judges claimed i lost, satisfactory outcome for me to be honest. hehehe
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Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:44:00 -
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yeah i know what you mean, honestly though, easy fix for hull damage, make the training bullets only ignore the last few structure points, how difficult that would be to implement opposed to ignoring it entirely however i can't say though but there's nothing really that i see keeping it from being useful.
also, i think i resent that wink, i podded my opponent and i would do it again given the chance, i don't open fire on a player i don't intend to pod, period. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
848
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:03:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote: also, i think i resent that wink, i podded my opponent and i would do it again given the chance, i don't open fire on a player i don't intend to pod, period.
I fail to see why this is a problem. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1259
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:28:00 -
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I'm still failing to see how it's better for the game for CCP to implement a whole new set of ammo to confuse people with rather than either you just taking your duel to Sisi where it won't matter or you just stopping firing when there's a clear winner. |
Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:54:00 -
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TIP OF THE DAY:
Figure out how to play on the Singularity server ( that's the test server for EVE ). Ships and modules are all 100 isk on that server and if you insure each ship, you make more money then it will have cost you.
Although, do try to keep your activity down to about 3 maybe 5 people, cause that server is not made for a whole lot of people to be online at the same time. Yes i am dutch, no i don't do drugs. |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:09:00 -
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mxzf wrote:I'm still failing to see how it's better for the game for CCP to implement a whole new set of ammo to confuse people with rather than either you just taking your duel to Sisi where it won't matter or you just stopping firing when there's a clear winner.
why would it necessarily confuse people?
is reading that hard?
are you trying to say properly naming items is that hard?
Velicitia wrote:I fail to see why this is a problem.
it's not, i wasn't sure if you were implying i was trolling is all. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
849
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:17:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:mxzf wrote:I'm still failing to see how it's better for the game for CCP to implement a whole new set of ammo to confuse people with rather than either you just taking your duel to Sisi where it won't matter or you just stopping firing when there's a clear winner. why would it necessarily confuse people? is reading that hard? are you trying to say properly naming items is that hard?
Obviously it is, since they've decided to **** around with the naming of missiles and modules in the recent past
Mathieollo wrote:Velicitia wrote:I fail to see why this is a problem. it's not, i wasn't sure if you were implying i was trolling is all. nope, not at all.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
690
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:19:00 -
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On the plus side it would be hilarious if someone accidentally fit this ammo and then went into a real combat situation. |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:26:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Obviously it is, since they've decided to **** around with the naming of missiles and modules in the recent past
i think i understand why some modules information displays a negative percent for a buff now.....
even still though, they could add an indicator icon in the corner of the item's icon to mark it as "safe" ammo/charges or even more obvious use the same picture but an outline styled image with a noticable cutout showing, i understand that naming things has (apparently) been an issue in the past and i can honestly see why with a game like eve, but still.. i don't think it has to be, it could be done in a way that would be obvious enough at a glance to not be able to accidentally use it, it's a good and constructive criticism, but ultimately something that could be fixed within the implementation instead of a problem with the idea itself. |
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Heathkit
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:27:00 -
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I think in theory it's a good idea, but in practice how would it work? Would you have a training variant of every size and type of ammo? Ammo choice vs enemy resists is a big part of pvp, so the practice ammo would have to be exactly like whatever variety it's meant to emulate.
"To the hull" duels are the best option, but sometimes you can't stop shooting fast enough!! Usually you need ECM on standby ready to end the fight. It might be nice if there were some setting you could apply to automatically unlock a target as soon as they take structure damage.
I think it's reasonably to want more options for consensual training PVP, but I don't think training ammo is it. |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 20:34:00 -
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Heathkit wrote:I think in theory it's a good idea, but in practice how would it work? Would you have a training variant of every size and type of ammo? Ammo choice vs enemy resists is a big part of pvp, so the practice ammo would have to be exactly like whatever variety it's meant to emulate.
yes, that's exactly what i meant, every variant (maybe only commons would be enough?), every charge size, every ammo type, 1 to 1 identical except not able to kill the structure of a ship.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
387
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:38:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:Heathkit wrote:I think in theory it's a good idea, but in practice how would it work? Would you have a training variant of every size and type of ammo? Ammo choice vs enemy resists is a big part of pvp, so the practice ammo would have to be exactly like whatever variety it's meant to emulate. yes, that's exactly what i meant, every variant (maybe only commons would be enough?), every charge size, every ammo type, 1 to 1 identical except not able to kill the structure of a ship.
That's hundreds of new items added for no real reason. Don't you think that's a little bit extreme? |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:49:00 -
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i agree honestly, but... so long as it's done in a way that's not confusing, what's the harm?
that and there is an intended purpose, so it's hardly "for no real reason". |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
31
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:24:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:you know, there is always SISI...
Thank you. Didn't think I would need to scroll down nearly as much to finally see singularity recommended. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
391
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:35:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:i agree honestly, but... so long as it's done in a way that's not confusing, what's the harm?
that and there is an intended purpose, so it's hardly "for no real reason".
You're literally doubling the amount of ammo types in the game, since I assume you'll be having T2 and faction variants of all of this stuff. How is that not going to be confusing? Who's going to build it all, and why bother when they can just knock out the real stuff and sell to a much, much wider market?
And the intended purpose is...really really pointless. It just serves to dissuade people from actual PVP. If you want to test a fit, fight to hull, or go to sisi. Or just lose the ship. |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:27:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Mathieollo wrote:i agree honestly, but... so long as it's done in a way that's not confusing, what's the harm?
that and there is an intended purpose, so it's hardly "for no real reason". You're literally doubling the amount of ammo types in the game, since I assume you'll be having T2 and faction variants of all of this stuff. How is that not going to be confusing? Who's going to build it all, and why bother when they can just knock out the real stuff and sell to a much, much wider market? And the intended purpose is...really really pointless. It just serves to dissuade people from actual PVP. If you want to test a fit, fight to hull, or go to sisi. Or just lose the ship.
well i suppose you have a point on the crafting aspect, but at the same time, who's to say that you wouldn't be able to turn a profit crafting it? hell if the blueprints are a bit rare you could easily wind up in a situation where pvp fitting testing ammo would be much more proftable than the norm, it's a reasonable possibility.
as far as your last point: NO, it's not to dissuade anyone from pvp in any way at all, i'm sorry you misunderstood so badly, the point would be to be able to be fitted better for pvp and hopefully do better in it, not to avoid it in the first place, that's quite an interesting way to twist it though. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
392
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:46:00 -
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Mathieollo wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Mathieollo wrote:i agree honestly, but... so long as it's done in a way that's not confusing, what's the harm?
that and there is an intended purpose, so it's hardly "for no real reason". You're literally doubling the amount of ammo types in the game, since I assume you'll be having T2 and faction variants of all of this stuff. How is that not going to be confusing? Who's going to build it all, and why bother when they can just knock out the real stuff and sell to a much, much wider market? And the intended purpose is...really really pointless. It just serves to dissuade people from actual PVP. If you want to test a fit, fight to hull, or go to sisi. Or just lose the ship. well i suppose you have a point on the crafting aspect, but at the same time, who's to say that you wouldn't be able to turn a profit crafting it? hell if the blueprints are a bit rare you could easily wind up in a situation where pvp fitting testing ammo would be much more proftable than the norm, it's a reasonable possibility. as far as your last point: NO, it's not to dissuade anyone from pvp in any way at all, i'm sorry you misunderstood so badly, the point would be to be able to be fitted better for pvp and hopefully do better in it, not to avoid it in the first place, that's quite an interesting way to twist it though.
yeah, and with a zero risk PVP mode in the game, guess what people are going to stick to?
(Also, knowing my luck I'd end up stranded in a station with no ammo other than this training stuff.) |
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.04.20 05:01:00 -
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i just hate to say it, but you guys are seriously the easily most close minded and negative community i never dreamed possible, wow. |
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
102
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:08:00 -
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Just get rich and let your ship blow up. :shrug: |
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