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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.19 21:55:00 -
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TL;DR -> Can a 80-man organized fw fleet take up on 20-30 experienced pirates fleet?
Now, i see most people will die instead of lowering their perfect 5.0 sec status, but think about it, if you're in that fw fleet and you get the order to engage the pirates, would you really do that and harm your security status? (face it, if you' don't attack and point them on that place, they're just going away)
and, on the pirate fleet, would you really wait for the FW fleet to engage you, would you engage first, or just aling to an object and warp away?
may appear as a dumb question. it sure is, but i'm bored. |
Zenethalos
Minmatar Infinity Killers
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:10:00 -
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To touch on the perfect sec status loss issue I dont think it is pertinant as most pirates are blinky reds ergo no standing loss. As to would a FW fleet engage I have no idea I have not partaken in FW so but from a PvP'r and old RP'r view I would say engage. You are doing your faction a service in removing undesirables from space you wish to conquer for your faction. If they are -5.0 or lower its easy to justify so why not if it does not not impede any imminent factional objectives.
Just my thoughts and yes I know I can't spell.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:13:00 -
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the point is, not all pirates are blinky reds, and not all FW pilots are 5.0 maniacs.
so, any FW Pilot/Pirate up there? _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:20:00 -
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We engage pirates. QQ |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:27:00 -
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Most FW ignore non-blinkies because they fit their ships with t1 gear and will get ****d by just the gate guns in most cases.
As for the "pirate" pov, I think being outnumbered 4:1 and having gate guns to shoot at you is a bit much unless they are in suicide BCs and the militia gang has some juicy targets. |
FU22
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2009.01.19 22:46:00 -
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i can't remember what video it was and wish i still had it but i remember the video involved a gallente FW gang of about said number of people and about 10-15 pirates...all in smartbombing battleships...the end result was lots of pretty explosions...
so yes under circumstances i can conclude pirates might engage said gang
P.S if anyone remembers what video it was please lemme know, the view was from a phoon pilot |
Turelle
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Turelle on 19/01/2009 23:35:12
Originally by: FU22
P.S if anyone remembers what video it was please lemme know, the view was from a phoon pilot
I think it's this...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=861240
Good video. The bit you're looking for is around 14 mins in.
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Demitria Fernir the point is, not all pirates are blinky reds, and not all FW pilots are 5.0 maniacs.
so, any FW Pilot/Pirate up there?
I think I need you to define pirate for me, as I am now confused. Anything blinky red I consider pirates, anything not blinky red such as myself falls under the PvPer/ganker/opportunist/griefer catagory.
I underlined the ones that I consider myself being. |
Hallan Turrek
Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 01:07:00 -
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Not all pirates are blinky. There are quite a few that understand and care about making their jobs easier by avoiding gateguns. I ain't one of 'em, but hey. ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts
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Lauren Sheaperd
Minmatar Blood Money Bootcamp
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Posted - 2009.01.20 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rilwar We run from pirates. QQ
Fixed for accuaracy. I haven't found one of you that will stand and fight. |
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente Elite Players
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Posted - 2009.01.20 06:37:00 -
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if i'm pirating, i'd check the enemy ships and decide whether to pew pew or not.
if i'm FWing... well i never FWed so i never know :P --------------------------------------
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xxSwitch Biohazardxx
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.20 07:37:00 -
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yeah, what she said
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.20 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rilwar We engage pirates. QQ
I'll vouch for that.
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hellsknights
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.01.20 10:49:00 -
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The answer to this question.
If one engages first its because they think they are going to win, no one will engage knowing they are gonna lose unless they are idiots.
BTW EvE has plenty of idiots.
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inVictu5
Caldari Black Rise Insurgents
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:03:00 -
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??? Pirate gangs are normally always small... 3-5 Pilots, thats including the hauler, n00b tackler and such. Why are you worried about them anyways, I would be more focused on the Gallente's sitting outside kinakka everynight. |
Indignant Assault
Caldari Uranus Assault Team
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:34:00 -
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When we were in TFS, Minmatar faction engaged us (with coercian...aka we started shooting first) at a FW Plex.
There were four of us and 18 or so of them..
We held the field for 30 mins, the Minmatar kept coming back for more (kudos)
Their falcon warped in at 0 as it had no choice (fw plex game mechanics eluded this pilot)and died a horrible death.....
Some of them flew 3 or more ships back in to fight us..
Short answer then becomes "Yes" FW pilots will engage pirates... A fight is a fight after all... (and the faction loot from the vaga etc was important to them )
Gallente and Caldari FW pilots often fight pirates........Pirates often fight them
Gallente often shoot their allies the Minmatar (even when in fleet with them)
Amarr arent stupid enough to get shot at by their allies the Calamari..
Gallente just arent the smartest of cookies in the picnic basket
Minmatar are just closet pirates (its the tribal in them)
~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~ |
Jonny 101
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:40:00 -
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We used a pos with command ship alts and sniper hac's to basicly maul every calamari in tama while it was still active, didn't matter if there were 2 of us and 20 of them, they couldn't do **** to counter us and died in droves like good little caracal newbs.
Hell, I even killed a few guys in a sniper brutix (yes no joke) just for a laugh.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:33:00 -
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I would crap on the FW players with a DISCO SCORPION. |
Buhhdust Princess
Cold Blooded Killers
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Posted - 2009.01.20 17:30:00 -
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Well from my experience as a pirate, we would always engage FW fleets with 5 or 6 Battleships and mostly win. The most we ever fought was 5 vs 45 (roughly) this was down to them not calling primary i assume, and we had RR's. We killed about 21 i think, the rest ran. So in answer to your question, i would quite happily engage them first in that situation.
As a FW'er myself now, i would tell my fleet to engage any pirates, because they are targets, and usually pirates provide good fights!
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Wensley
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.20 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Wensley on 20/01/2009 17:39:06
Originally by: Rilwar We engage pirates. QQ
I engage the 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit :)
Wensley - The Tuskers |
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Kavu
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.20 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: FU22 i can't remember what video it was and wish i still had it but i remember the video involved a gallente FW gang of about said number of people and about 10-15 pirates...all in smartbombing battleships...the end result was lots of pretty explosions...
so yes under circumstances i can conclude pirates might engage said gang
P.S if anyone remembers what video it was please lemme know, the view was from a phoon pilot
that was garmon and the rest of us (i was at work at the time) i dont know about now but when we were in fw its was blobby and full of noobs and about 5 of us would engage large (80+) fw fleets in gank cruisers or ranis's and kill lots
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Keeves
Minmatar Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Indignant Assault
Amarr arent stupid enough to get shot at by their allies the Calamari..
I am SO stupid enough!
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28535 |
Warrio
Southern Cross Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.01.21 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Keeves
Originally by: Indignant Assault
Amarr arent stupid enough to get shot at by their allies the Calamari..
I am SO stupid enough!
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28535
That might be the worst Ishtar fit I've ever seen.
Also, lol. sXe |
Kaya Valda
Caldari Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.01.21 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: inVictu5 ??? Pirate gangs are normally always small... 3-5 Pilots, thats including the hauler
What? You know little about normal pirate gangs it appears. - Neo-Spartans Recruiting
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Soulless Creation
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Posted - 2009.01.21 18:15:00 -
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i can feel it in me timbers, time for the good ol' song me mateys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsJyfN0ICU
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Orar Ironfist
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Valda
Originally by: inVictu5 ??? Pirate gangs are normally always small... 3-5 Pilots, thats including the hauler
What? You know little about normal pirate gangs it appears.
seriously jeez |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: Kaya Valda
Originally by: inVictu5 ??? Pirate gangs are normally always small... 3-5 Pilots, thats including the hauler
What? You know little about normal pirate gangs it appears.
seriously jeez
This might be what im doing wrong.. I have the basic skilz, the gank ships, so buddies, but im missing the hauler.. What do you use it for BTW.. Target practice? Getting the guns warmed up? Bait? |
DamienV
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.22 05:53:00 -
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When in TFS we engaged a 40 man FW gang with 8 BS, they didnt seem to hesitate and we didnt either. So yes, they would.
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Kylezanto
Minmatar The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2009.01.22 08:57:00 -
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My first carrier kill was a pirate carrier in FW, so yeah, we attacked pirates and we pirated some ourselves. |
adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 09:59:00 -
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as a pirate, yes i'll engage faction warfare gangs even when solo, doesn't always work out due to they starting to use a lot of ECM lately, but most FW fleets a well setup small gang can handle |
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