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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090119/tuk-caustic-soda-rapists-jailed-dba1618.html
I remember hearing about the above story a while back and hoping the culprits would get punished for what they had done, but it seems that once again our so called great justice system becomes a laughing stock, nine years is just a disgrace in my opinion, in fact all of them being dragged down the street while on fire would be to good for them.
It also says a lot for society today as well when people also tried to protect these worms from prosecution, just drop a nuke on them tbh.
thats **** and assault, on top of that she could of died? why aren't those *******s being executed?
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Yuri VanKaer
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Posted - 2009.01.20 04:02:00 -
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Can't wait for direct neural linking. If you were made to relive your victim's agony daily, for the period of those sentences, then maybe the terms would approach justice. It sickens me that I share a planet with people like them.
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Atomos Darksun
Damage Incorporated.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5512118.ece
Stop the trial! the witness is telling the truth!
To be fair, eyewitness evidence can be flawed, but it's a pretty poor state of affairs.
Kind of defeats the purpose of a jury, no? |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:20:00 -
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Just repeatedly **** them right back.
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:30:00 -
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They deserve far worse than jail time imo.
Hopefully, someone will shiv them and we won't have to worry about them polluting the gene pool. ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u
Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness. |
Marisal
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:32:00 -
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Heh a judge is now reviewing the sentences as been too lenient wonder if he's an eve player and read the thread.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:16:00 -
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Hang em.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 19/01/2009 22:31:32 Tbh the justice system 40-50 years ago in the uk was far better... im almost tempted to say including the death penalty but there have been so many screw ups in British history couldn't run the risk. But life should mean life imprisonment not just 5 and half years in a comfy bedsit of a prison with better food and tv than ppl get in hospitals.
Prison is look at as an easy option by criminals these days many reoffend and think nothing of it because they know if they get caught they may be locked up but they'll have a better life than if there were on the outside, and better than the average working joe gets aswell which sickens me tbh... i think that point is kinda underlined when last year prisons we're actually full at one point completely full no vacancy nada.
Oh any anyone that commits a sexual offence should be castrated, may as well remove them from any future gene pool.
Norway have milder punishments really than most countries in the world, but the crimerate is pretty low.
TBH I think the crimerate is very much connected to the social standards a country and its citizens have. If the standards to the poorest people in a country is reasonably good, then that country will usually experience low crimewrate. If its lacking the rate can be pretty high - death penalty or not. Personally I think death penalty to be the indication of a failed country. Its a disgrace to any countries calling themselves civil.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.01.21 01:42:00 -
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I'd imagine those fellas will get their just deserve inside, unless of course the authorities keep em in solitary or something.. -----------
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.21 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal The a judge is now reviewing the sentences as being too lenient. Wonder if he's an eve player and read the thread.
That would be awesome
My sentiments are the same. As said above, the only real justice would be if they were forced to experience the same horror for a long time.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Atama Cardel
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.21 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Marisal The a judge is now reviewing the sentences as being too lenient. Wonder if he's an eve player and read the thread.
That would be awesome
My sentiments are the same. As said above, the only real justice would be if they were forced to experience the same horror for a long time.
Slade
I was personally thinking shooting them in the knees then pouring caustic soda on the wounds while they bleed out, which is much more doable.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:13:00 -
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Where is justice? Where is my post? CCP nicely deleted that, thanks CCP. You, obviously, get hurt by the truth too.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.21 18:02:00 -
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When someone CHOOSES to do the things those men did
Then, they have, by there own free will
Rendered their own humanity null and void.
Rendering your own humanity null and void is something that can ONLY be to one's self. No one can do it to you. You have only yourself to blame.
The proper and correct treatment for such non-humans is swift execution.
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Gone'Postal
Aztec Industry
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Posted - 2009.01.21 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain Hang em.
This ^^
Tho tbh, I think the family of the girl need a punishment as well.
Sex != Friends. |
Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.21 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Atama Cardel
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Marisal The a judge is now reviewing the sentences as being too lenient. Wonder if he's an eve player and read the thread.
That would be awesome
My sentiments are the same. As said above, the only real justice would be if they were forced to experience the same horror for a long time.
Slade
I was personally thinking shooting them in the knees then pouring caustic soda on the wounds while they bleed out, which is much more doable.
you people are too soft.
I would vote to cut one of their hands, and slap them on a jail cell with a group of eager convicts awaiting to get some *****es for them.
then I would throw some gas and and light them all up and watch the show from afar. |
Sobach
Gallente Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2009.01.21 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Norway have milder punishments really than most countries in the world, but the crimerate is pretty low.
TBH I think the crimerate is very much connected to the social standards a country and its citizens have. If the standards to the poorest people in a country is reasonably good, then that country will usually experience low crimewrate. If its lacking the rate can be pretty high - death penalty or not. Personally I think death penalty to be the indication of a failed country. Its a disgrace to any countries calling themselves civil.
I agree that the social, cultural, and economic environment have much more to do with the amount of crime present in a society than the severity of the penal law.
However, I respectfully disagree that the death penalty is an indication of a "failed" country or a disgrace. There may come one day when human society will advance to the point where the death penalty is no longer needed, but I doubt that day will come in our lifetime.
Like others have said, crime is a choice. One has to take responsibility for their actions. Those people who have committed crimes that warrants the death penalty have, in the process of destroying the lives of innocents, forfeited their rights to their own.
Taking people who have committed heinous crimes and then house them and provide for them for the rest of their life at a high cost to the society which they've wronged in the first place is hardly justice for the victims. Rehabilitation can work for some, but not for all. |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sobach There may come one day when human society will advance to the point where the death penalty is no longer needed, but I doubt that day will come in our lifetime.
Vast majority of the civilized world considers that time already here, for a good while now.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Vast majority of the civilized world considers that time already here
A sure sign that its a bad idea.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf
Originally by: Qui Shon
Vast majority of the civilized world considers that time already here
A sure sign that its a bad idea.
Yeah? Like universal suffrage, that a bad idea too? Abolition of slavery, bad? |
Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: Vabjekf
Originally by: Qui Shon
Vast majority of the civilized world considers that time already here
A sure sign that its a bad idea.
Yeah? Like universal suffrage, that a bad idea too? Abolition of slavery, bad?
Yes to both. Universal suffrage is a terrible idea; 98% of people have no idea what they're doing and simply vote for whoever promises them the most free stuff.
Slavery would massively stimulate the economy by providing cheap labour to businesses and by encouraging families to make new investments (in the form of servants). |
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: Vabjekf
Originally by: Qui Shon
Vast majority of the civilized world considers that time already here
A sure sign that its a bad idea.
Yeah? Like universal suffrage, that a bad idea too? Abolition of slavery, bad?
Nobodies vote counts and everyone is a slave to the system, man! People were freer and had more impact on the world before! Obviously agreeing these things are good has done nothing but placate people by giving them fancy elections to sell their right to a say for a 'i voted' sticker and the illusion of control of their daily lives in an ever restricting world.
When people put their mind to something, they screw it up. Its only when an idea is unpopular that anyone involved with it gets much done. |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 22/01/2009 04:36:29 wow, i am SO moving to UK to start a life of crime
if 3 men can gang **** a 16 year old girl, then poor acid all over her and get a grand total of 6 years for it, i wonder what the sentence for breaking and entering is (if i ever got caught that is)
srsly, here in the US, iirc, the punishment for **** actually gets worse the YOUNGER the victim is
plus she was legally mentally disabled
plus they poored acid, AND an agent to increase the suffering
im guessing, here inthe US, life sentence probably
**** Statutuatory **** (maybe, since she was 16, not sure about that one though) Assault with great bodily harm maybe attempted murder
yeah, the **** alone 20 or 30 years since she was underage, then the assault with great bodily harm, probably 20 or so years as well
for the record, im not a lawyer, these are just my guesstimates
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Sobach
Gallente Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2009.01.22 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Vast majority of the civilized world considers that time already here, for a good while now.
One problem with the death penalty, certainly not the only one, is that innocents get executed along with the guilty. Law enforcement and courts are certainly way waay off from being infallible (won't be in my lifetime, if ever), so when you support capital punishment, you support the murder* of innocents along with the guilty. Now what does that make you?
And who is going to "take responsibility" for those innocents we kill in the name of justice? I.e. who are we going to execute (that is your preferred punishment for murder, after all) to atone for those innocents we knowingly killed. (Knowingly not by the individual killed, but by the numbers.)
*In it's moral sense, if not the legal sense
Yea sure, that's why vast majority of the world no longer suffers from murders and other violent crimes right? oh wait...
I never said that the death penalty is perfect, hardly. Nor did I say that for every murder the punishment should be the death penalty. Extreme and irrevocable punishments like this should be reserved for those that have committed crimes that society considers heinous enough to warrant the death penalty. Personally, I'd prefer a long life sentence of non-stop torture for those who have done so much evil that death is simply too good for them, but then that would be really uncivilized, as you say.
As for responsibility for the wrongfully accused... that, is a sin the society as a whole would have to bear, much as it is now. It's a price we pay for having an imperfect system, but until we can come up with something better, it's an unfortunate fact of life.
Ultimately, it's a question with no right answers. No matter which side you take, there will still be innocent people victimized and killed. It's the age old question, would you free 99 criminals to let 1 innocent man free, or do you imprison that innocent in order to keep the 99 criminals in prison? It's easy to take the high road and say that one should never have to lose his freedom unjustly, but then what would you say when those 99 criminals go out and ****/kill dozens or more innocent people? Is that one man's freedom more important than the dozens that would be lost?
On the other hand, it is also easy to say that man should lose his freedom forever for the greater good, especially when you're not the one paying the price. The same thing goes for the death penalty. Take it away completely, and there will be many cases where those who rightfully deserved death will get away. Leave it in place, and eventually there will be innocent people who die who didn't deserve to, no matter how much scrutiny there was during the process.
In the end, it's a matter of perspective. I look at it not so much from a moral angle but rather from a more pragmatic view. And for the time being, IMO, death penalty still has a place in today's society. |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sobach
Yea sure, that's why vast majority of the world no longer suffers from murders and other violent crimes right? oh wait...
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In the end, it's a matter of perspective. I look at it not so much from a moral angle but rather from a more pragmatic view. And for the time being, IMO, death penalty still has a place in today's society.
Worth noting is that out of the western countries, the only one with the death penalty also has, by far, the highest rate of homicide. |
Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:05:00 -
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Why is everyone pinpointing the whole "mental age of 8" thing.
When I was 8 Years Old I'd be damned if I ran off with two complete strangers.
Well done.
Girl is a ******, the two guys are sick.
To be honest they both helped each other suffer. |
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