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Dark Blood08	Posted - 2009.01.20 10:51:00 - [1] i hear lots of people rave about the nyx and so forth and ive seen multiple people fly other races dreads and carrier and motherships but seems to me the hel is a rarity....so my question is this why or what is so bad about the hel that few people buy and or fly it? and where does it compare to the other motherships? these are questions im wondering thank you :)
hellsknights SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:05:00 - [2] Edited by: hellsknights on 20/01/2009 11:04:58 Sometimes i wonder if i should use my right hand or my left.....can anyone help. BTW im using this hand for a special reason. cutting my vegetables for my fav. soup.
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:11:00 - [3] because it's bonuses suck. Why would you need a 20 bil glorified station / pos repper?
hellsknights SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:14:00 - [4] Originally by: destinationZERO because it's bonuses suck. Why would you need a 20 bil glorified station / pos repper? When you can use a carrier for the occasion....just adding to your statement.
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:15:00 - [5] true. Hel is one of the best looking motherships, though..
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:16:00 - [6] Hel compared to other motherships: + Best remote reps + Highest base speed + Highest base scan resolution + Very pretty (although this is a bit subjective) - Indecisive slot layout - Less EHP (Nyx doesn't have a resist bonus, but good HP nonetheless) - Least amount of cap (but they all have identical base cap/s recharge) If you wish to fly one well, capitalising on the first major plus point is the most logical choice. This means 3 remote rep mods, a shield tank and CPR's in the lows.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:17:00 - [7] Edited by: NightmareX on 20/01/2009 11:20:12 Originally by: destinationZERO because it's bonuses suck. Why would you need a 20 bil glorified station / pos repper? It's bonuses sucks?. Are you dumb?. First of all, a Hel is not a solo ship. IT'S A FLEET SHIP. And when it's a fleet ship, then it's bonuses to remote repping is the best thing you can have. The more you can remote rep others, the longer they can stay alive. And the longer your support is staying alive, then the longer your Hel is going to be alive to. It doesn't help to have a Nyx that can do some more DPS than a Hel when it can't keep it's support alive, because it's remote reps doesn't rep enough. It's the same with the Nidhoggur. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:19:00 - [8] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: destinationZERO It's bonuses sucks?. Are you dumb?. It's OK, no need to get excited. I get your point. Question remains, why is there so few of them fielded ?
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:22:00 - [9] Edited by: NightmareX on 20/01/2009 11:24:04 Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: destinationZERO It's bonuses sucks?. Are you dumb?. It's OK, no need to get excited. I get your point. Question remains, why is there so few of them fielded ? Because all the players are mostly going after EFT numbers, and because of the EFT numbers, then the Hel sucks. But on the other hand, it doesn't sucks as some may say it does. It's the same with the FOTM noobs, who only looks at the EFT numbers. And then goes after the ships who have the highest numbers in different things and then think it owns. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Dark Blood08	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:31:00 - [10] eft i think is a good guideline but i would never base a ship purchase based on what eft says also is there anything wrong with wanting to or actually flying another races capital or super capital ship? thank you for info :)

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:54:00 - [11] Nightmare, while I agree that the hel is a good ship it is suffering from the mothership syndrome like the others which is that it doesn't perform it's role a whole lot better than a few carriers could. Your cap ship deserves CPR's!
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:16:00 - [12] And added to that is its weak tank and uselessness.
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Sokratesz Nightmare, while I agree that the hel is a good ship in my eyes the hel is the best MS to have in a fleet :P Originally by: Sokratesz it is suffering from the mothership syndrome like the others which is that it doesn't perform it's role a whole lot better than a few carriers could. then again, you can turn that around and say: better to have 1 MS than 1 carrier ;) afterall a pilot can only fly one ship at a time.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Atius Tirawa And added to that is its weak tank and uselessness. Weak tank - yeah but tank doesn't matter much, its simply low on resists (/ehp). Usefulness is great when fitted properly but all hel mails I've seen so far (not many - owing to the popularity of the ship) were utter fail fits.
Dark Blood08	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:35:00 - [15] sokrateez do you have a good loadout for a hel? i want to know what a good loadout is for a ship like that :)
achoura	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:19:00 - [16] The fact the nid want cap armour skills and the hel shield has nothing to do with it ofc *The EVE servers and their patches*
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:27:00 - [17] CPR lows, Shield tanked mids, 3x RR highs. -----------
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:43:00 - [18] If you're flying a shield tanked ship, in a fleet with other shield tanked ships (ie two Hels will identical layouts), wouldn't you need a remote shield booster?
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:04:00 - [19] The Hel is an enigma to the general Eve playerbase...and frankly even many well informed players don't know much about it. However, if I was ever to fly a mom, that would be the one I'd fly.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:21:00 - [20] Edited by: NightmareX on 20/01/2009 22:20:54 Originally by: Dark Blood08 sokrateez do you have a good loadout for a hel? i want to know what a good loadout is for a ship like that :) I don't know very much about setups for motherships yet, but i believe this setup here is good: Hel Tank Setup. Yeah that setup probably cost 3 times more than the ship. But you need a good tank on the ship anyways. Any comments to that setup Sokratesz?. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:01:00 - [21] Originally by: NightmareX Any comments to that setup Sokratesz?. Unless you're absolutely determined to fly the Hel, spend all that cash on a char that can fly a wyv or aeon tbh. I would go for something cheaper, with much better cap: [Hel, whatever works best] Brokara's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Brokara's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Brokara's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Brokara's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Brokara's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Capital Shield Booster I Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Domination Warp Disruptor Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Shield Transporter I Tairei's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb Tairei's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb Kaikka's Modified Cloaking Device Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Core Defence Field Extender II
Helen The Tetragrammaton Council	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:02:00 - [22] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 20/01/2009 22:48:37 Originally by: Dark Blood08 sokrateez do you have a good loadout for a hel? i want to know what a good loadout is for a ship like that :) I don't know very much about setups for motherships yet, but i believe this setup here is good: Hel Tank Setup. Yeah that setup probably cost 3-4 times more than the ship. But you need a good tank on the ship anyways. If i change out the Semiconductor Memory Cell II for a 2nd Capacitor Control Circuit II, then i will go from 46% cap stable to 49% cap stable. So what would you have taken here?. Any comments to that setup Sokratesz?. What stupid EFT ***** made that setup? Seriously its not even funny.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Helen What stupid EFT ***** made that setup? Seriously its not even funny. Ok, since i said that motherships is not my strong part when it's about setups, then can you tell me what's wrong with that setup?. The only thing i think it would need is to be more cap stable, so you don't get so fast in troubles if your getting neuted.
Orb Lati Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:31:00 - [24] 2 fits on a Hel and NO remote ECM burst? I think the main reason you see less Hels that the other Mother ships is that there is a perception that Minimatar Capitals are worse than the rest. I think most minmatar pilots end up cross training other racial bs's to lvl5 for their cap in lieu of minmatar bs5. They forget that the Naglfa is: F R E K I N G V E R T I C A L
Ghankis Khanid	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:32:00 - [25] Edited by: Ghankis Khanid on 20/01/2009 23:34:53 Ok now I don't fly capships myself, so there's a very good chance I have no idea what I'm talking about. Having said that, isn't it a failfit to use cap power relays with shield booster tank? Or would it be viable to run a dual rep armor tank with 3 faction eanm and 7 cap recharger II? (or even just 1 rep and 4 hardeners since we're assuming carrier rr fleet) edit OMFG a domination warp disruptor? On a mom? If that's the punchline where is the joke? I missed it.
Jonas Barcal Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:32:00 - [26] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Helen What stupid EFT ***** made that setup? Seriously its not even funny. Ok, since i said that motherships is not my strong part when it's about setups, then can you tell me what's wrong with that setup?. The only thing i think it would need is to be more cap stable, so you don't get so fast in troubles if your getting neuted. Erm have you had this exact conversation regarding setup of a MS and replying to helen before? or I'm having some serious deja vu
Chocratess	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:53:00 - [27] the only prob i can see is that they are wielding 25 drones without drone control units, when with carrier 5 they should only be able to wield 20 not that that has anything to do with the tank
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Ghankis Khanid Edited by: Ghankis Khanid on 20/01/2009 23:34:53 Ok now I don't fly capships myself, so there's a very good chance I have no idea what I'm talking about. Having said that, isn't it a failfit to use cap power relays with shield booster tank? Or would it be viable to run a dual rep armor tank with 3 faction eanm and 7 cap recharger II? (or even just 1 rep and 4 hardeners since we're assuming carrier rr fleet) edit OMFG a domination warp disruptor? On a mom? If that's the punchline where is the joke? I missed it. normaly its fail to fit cpr on a ship with shieldbooster tank. but carriers are different since a local perma running tank isn't the important part.. its having enough cap to run remote reps and dont get cap dead by some neuts so even if the sheildboost amount gets crap by fitting lows with cpr :) whats wrong with a domi warp disrupter? personaly I wouldnt fly any ship in eve without takling (except mega blob inty gangs) and a officer warp disruptor is so much more expencive and hardly worth it :P
C4w3 Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:24:00 - [29] HEL are win. Thruout the INSRG NC and friends conflict i flew the hel both nanoed and shield tanked also armor repping and mass used drugs, jumping in as the first MS into EQI agains 30 + dreads nanoing it out of their range while coverd by 4 carriers and the ECM burst. The ship itself are EPIC win, flown right and as a mobile platform for other reasons. So during the 6 month and everyday pvp i will say it's one of the most versitile ships i had and the RISK adds extra spice.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.21 02:37:00 - [30] [Hel, Spaztick's Eve-Winning Ship] Draclira's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Draclira's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Draclira's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Draclira's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Damage Control II Capital Shield Booster I Vepas' Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Remote ECM Burst I Triage Module I Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit I 23k Tank in triage, permaruns all remote reps in triage which is great for POS repping I suppose, or if you just happen to have less than ~23k enemy dps on the field that decide to gun for you (6 dreads won't break this tank), out of triage you can permarun every module and have a 6k tank, which I'd fit 2 smartbombs instead of the ECM/triage if you're away from a POS. Cons: Blood expensive, the shield hardeners cost as much as the ship, but then again you're not flying this thing because it's cost-effective are you?



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