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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.21 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil Edited by: Blastil on 20/01/2009 22:48:54 Alright, Today I was out hunting in lowsec. Nothing is better than taking your Taranis and ramming it straight up the tailpipe of a Hurricane, or watching a Caracal melt under heavy blaster fire. It relaxes the body, clears the mind, and rejuvenates the spirit after working a shift in retail. Nothing's better than killing people while thinking "yes, that's right, you should have bought that extended warranty on that X-box! Now suck it!"
I was out with my buddy Raf and we were cruising around in our pimped out T2 Frigs. We played cat and mouse with some lowsec ratters. All's cool. Local spikes, then drops to just us two a few seconds later. We spotted them just as they jumped out. That's the moment when we both shouted "gatecamp!" in fleet. Sure enough, they had 6 men in Cruiser to BS sized hulls camping the other side. We of course escape without so much as a shot exchanged, despite their best efforts to lag us out with drones (since they started hardening the server, this tactic no longer works the way it used to. Sorry gents!)
This is not the first such scenario I've seen go down in lowsec. Every time it happens I Escape. Do you know how? Because gate camps don't work in lowsec. They just don't. Oh sure you catch BS's and stupid industrialists, but they just don't work. (this is a subtle hint that gate guns are killing eve lowsec combat.)
Additionally, for some reason every corp and alliance has this misconception- They can't fight gorillas if they just camp gates enough and dock up in stations. This just doesn't work. If you want to get rd of harassing pirates, don't do it with BS gangs and gatecamps, actually FIGHT US. Most of us are looking for fun fights, quick clean and painless. If you want to kill us, fight on our terms and be good at it, or set traps. The idea of blobbing is terribly ineffective. Stop trying. With the recent buff to AF's and Interceptors, your simply NOT going to catch us, and we sure as hell are going to catch your ratters and mission runners with their pants down eventually.
EVen more so, a bs can burn back to the gate and make it before it's tank runs out.
watch the eve hell video on youtube for a good example. |
Norwood Franskly
Minmatar Fleet of the Damned B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 10:16:00 -
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Sling bubbles are the new gate bubbles, since gates were made ridiculously large with the expansion and web nerf means its relatively easy to slowboat back to a gate, anchoring a bubble about 80 km behind the gate is the best way to catch people, stick a regular dictor on the edge of the sling bubble to decloak anything as well. I'd like to see a BS escape camp by slow boating 80km to a gate :D
Sure people can warp to a planet then to the gate but you'd be suprised how lazy people are. And yes curse is crazy at the moment, I remember trying to get to O-W at one stage there were sling bubbles up on every gate for about 6 jumps. |
fivetide humidyear
Gallente EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2009.01.21 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil Edited by: Blastil on 20/01/2009 22:48:54 "yes, that's right, you should have bought that extended warranty on that X-box! Now suck it!".
everyone knows that extended warranties on electrical proucts are worthless at best and basically retail shops trying to cash in on idiots.
clearly you are a superb eve tactition and PvP god because you can avoid a low sec gate camp in an interceptor.
well done.
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Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.21 12:36:00 -
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You are right in that you can't pirate in low sec with frigates. I don't rat in low sec but for anyone who does, fly to a gate. Sit there. Frigate pirate won't attack you on a gate. They weren't gate camping. They were clustering there because they knew you weren't going to touch thier mission fleet in your speedy little frigates. If you want thier plex, scan it out yourself.
As far as 'playing on your terms'? Um... no. Make sure you don't get any kills and then perhaps you will go pester someone else. Oh, 600K industrials? While you beat on it, I am logging out the goods one jump behind it. Sorry. I agree this wasn't the intended mechanics of EvE but fish in a barrel was somewhat obvious, even to the most noob of noobs. To this day, most simply, don't go there. |
Raven Nightstalker
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.21 12:43:00 -
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Go to Rancer and tell me lowsec gate camps don't work.
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Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.21 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Nightstalker Go to Rancer and tell me lowsec gate camps don't work.
I think most low sec ratters want more than velator kills. |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.01.21 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil Edited by: Blastil on 20/01/2009 22:48:54 If you want to kill us, fight on our terms and be good at it, or set traps. The idea of blobbing is terribly ineffective.
Why do they have to fight you on your terms? Because you want a 'fair' fight? I'll wager you are not against grouping up to kill lone enemies yourself. I suspect you may be afraid of gatecamps in case they do catch you, otherwise why make an issue of it? I fly through them all the time in a frigate, but never have I felt obliged to say that they do not work because they can't catch me.
Let's examine a few things:
Firstly, combat in EVE is never fair. It is human nature to seek an advantage over his opposition, no matter how weak they may be.
Secondly, you would have to be clumsy or inattentive to get caught in a gatecamp in such a small ship. This doesn't mean the tactic doesn't work, otherwise people wouldn't spend hours waiting on them. The fact is, they do work, and for minimal effort.
Thirdly, the protestation of 'stop trying' suggests to me that you are used to hunting in certain systems, which are now being regularly camped, and you don't like this (well, who would). Nobody who participates in a regular gatecamp is going to listen to a potential victim. They'll just try harder to catch you.
And finally, you state that everyone else is wrong and you are right ("for some reason every corp and alliance has this misconception"). This kind of thinking lies on the road to madness.
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.21 13:14:00 -
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C&P bows to you mighty Blastil!
My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance |
flashfreaking
LFC Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.21 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil Edited by: Blastil on 20/01/2009 22:48:54 hey can't fight gorillas if they just camp gates enough and dock up in stations.
There are gorillas in eve?
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.21 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 21/01/2009 13:34:56
Originally by: Blastil Edited by: Blastil on 20/01/2009 22:48:54 Alright, Today I was out hunting in lowsec. Nothing is better than taking your Taranis and ramming it straight up the tailpipe of a Hurricane, or watching a Caracal melt under heavy blaster fire. It relaxes the body, clears the mind, and rejuvenates the spirit after working a shift in retail. Nothing's better than killing people while thinking "yes, that's right, you should have bought that extended warranty on that X-box! Now suck it!"
I was out with my buddy Raf and we were cruising around in our pimped out T2 Frigs. We played cat and mouse with some lowsec ratters. All's cool. Local spikes, then drops to just us two a few seconds later. We spotted them just as they jumped out. That's the moment when we both shouted "gatecamp!" in fleet. Sure enough, they had 6 men in Cruiser to BS sized hulls camping the other side. We of course escape without so much as a shot exchanged, despite their best efforts to lag us out with drones (since they started hardening the server, this tactic no longer works the way it used to. Sorry gents!)
This is not the first such scenario I've seen go down in lowsec. Every time it happens I Escape. Do you know how? Because gate camps don't work in lowsec. They just don't. Oh sure you catch BS's and stupid industrialists, but they just don't work. (this is a subtle hint that gate guns are killing eve lowsec combat.)
Additionally, for some reason every corp and alliance has this misconception- They can't fight gorillas if they just camp gates enough and dock up in stations. This just doesn't work. If you want to get rd of harassing pirates, don't do it with BS gangs and gatecamps, actually FIGHT US. Most of us are looking for fun fights, quick clean and painless. If you want to kill us, fight on our terms and be good at it, or set traps. The idea of blobbing is terribly ineffective. Stop trying. With the recent buff to AF's and Interceptors, your simply NOT going to catch us, and we sure as hell are going to catch your ratters and mission runners with their pants down eventually.
yo i'm feeling ya bro. this is how my day goes down dawg...
west new eden born and raised, 0.0 is where i spent most of my days, chillin out, ganking, roaming for fools, shooting some people outside of Harroule
when a couple of gangs who were clearly no good, started camping gates in my neighbourhood i got in one little fight with some crappy gankbears and now i'm posting on the forum like anybody cares
*body pops furiously*
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Daryldutch
Caldari Relentless Storm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.01.21 14:21:00 -
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Nice one ry ry. Also gates did become to big even for a t2 large bubble. But getting through gate camps in low sec (exception rancer style smart bombing) is pretty easy for a fast frigate with low sig radius. |
Lola Rust
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus stuff
Are you finished with the narf whining? You're giving PVP advice now? Look how stupid you are (in game). |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: midge Mo'yb
Originally by: Princess Jodi The Misconception is that you think nano***ging PieWratting is PVP.
Try 0.0 and fighting in something that costs more than my Ammo. Then you will see just how efficient a gate camp can be.
and yo uguys seem to think throwing 500 people at a system is pvp
this
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:20:00 -
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The first paragraph states you are flying an inty... and you are boasting of your mad skillz in avoiding gatecamps? you have to work quite hard to NOT escape. You make it sound like the campers are sitting their after you warp off shaking their heads "how did he escape AGAIN?"... beleive me, they're not.
And lol @ the drones thing... what, is a gatecamp supposed to not use drones? ofc they are going to have their drones out. If your pc gets lagged out coping with 6 people dropping some drones, the problem is you.
What I find even more shameful is that there are people around (evidently you are one) who will instruct their fleet to drop drones as some sad attempt to try and lag out someone who just jumped into your camp. If this is what you mean by 'just fight us' then I'm not surprised you don't get many takers.
I've met a lot of tards in this game and you are as bad as any of them.
Any gatecamp that wanted to catch inties can do it, just bring any interceptor and a remote-boosting domi.... domi boosts the inty's scan res to about 3000 or so, and the domi drops sentry drones and assigns them to the inty.
Anything small that comes through the gate will be toast before it can start moving.
On a happier note, space gorillas would be a genius addition to the game. There should be several simian factions. Ambulation would be awesome. They would need to add chandeliers to swing from, of course...
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Anile8er
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:43:00 -
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As a player who has flown in all secs and lives mainly in 0.0 I have found your post, oh god of escaping "pvp", to be quite insightful.
I will set aside 10 billion isk to pay to you if you will teach my corpmates and me the "ways".
We would like to know the following:
1. Tell us more about gate camps.
2. As a nano*** in a ceptor how many quality belt kills do you get a week?
3. Is there a way for us to build a PVP WTFBBQPWNMOBIL POS that will WTFBBQPWN everything?
4. From your godlyness's standpoint do bubbles and dictors work?
5. Have you ever been to 0.0 or are you just talking out of your ass.
6. Tell us about sig radius in proportion to scan res and how that may or may not have an effect on tackling a ship or pod.
7. Teach us the ways of conveying our experiences in EVE on the forums through large blocks of text that inflate our egos and tell others things they already know.
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Iommo
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2009.01.22 02:17:00 -
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*Signed* |
Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil If you want to get rd of harassing pirates .. actually FIGHT US .. Most of us are looking for fun fights
Eh, best way to get rid of pirates is to give them what they came to look for?
I would have guessed "don't die on belts" and "bore them" would have been the way.
-Lasse fond of gatehopping yummy ceptors |
Warrio
Southern Cross Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:11:00 -
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I was lured into this thread under several misconceptions. Primarily that is might just be worth reading.
sXe |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:18:00 -
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You certainly aren't that good if you have time to post on these boards!
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OffBeaT
Caldari KaMiKaZes
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 22/01/2009 03:27:25 take on cva and there Allis solo or some Russians and they will show you what a blob gate camp can do real fast... try bob. warrior..
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.22 05:55:00 -
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Wow, you manage to get past faction war gate camps. You are my hero.
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.22 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil Edited by: Blastil on 20/01/2009 22:48:54
Additionally, for some reason every corp and alliance has this misconception- They can't fight gorillas if they just...
I'm sorry, just noticed, what are these 'gorillas' you speak of?
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.22 09:41:00 -
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The most common misconception of EVE combat is that its entertaining.
When it isn't.
Now MINING - Thats fun and games, blasting those asteroids... being on the edge of your seat when you absolutely have to swap that mining crystal out lest you lose 5m3 of ore! |
Paxam Leratharn
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.22 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
yo i'm feeling ya bro. this is how my day goes down dawg...
west new eden born and raised, 0.0 is where i spent most of my days, chillin out, ganking, roaming for fools, shooting some people outside of Harroule
when a couple of gangs who were clearly no good, started camping gates in my neighbourhood i got in one little fight with some crappy gankbears and now i'm posting on the forum like anybody cares
*body pops furiously*
etc.
Superb post, almost makes this thread worth reading. :D
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Dictum Factum
Gemini Sun Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2009.01.22 11:03:00 -
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Hello. I know less than you think I do.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lola Rust
Originally by: Bellum Eternus stuff
Are you finished with the narf whining? You're giving PVP advice now? Look how stupid you are (in game).
He might be stupid in game, but your idiocy isn't confined to the game. |
Seishi Maru
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.01.22 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: midge Mo'yb
Originally by: Princess Jodi The Misconception is that you think nano***ging PieWratting is PVP.
Try 0.0 and fighting in something that costs more than my Ammo. Then you will see just how efficient a gate camp can be.
and yo uguys seem to think throwing 500 people at a system is pvp
this
250 vs 250 is far FAR more interesting than 10 vs 1 that is 90% of the "elite roaming vpv or gate campign PVP". These people disliek 250 vs 20 fights because they can die on them, cowards. |
Piratejoe
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 15:32:00 -
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Your flying around in whats pretty much just light support ships with firepower that can only take down other weak ships and you think your awsome? Do you honestly think those BS and Cruisers had any real intention of catching you? Honestly your not really worth the effort if all your in is cheap ships thats going too high tail it the first sign you see anybody in anything bigger then a Ibis.
Would have been funny if my friend was in his Battlebadger equiped with ECM, Webs and Warp Scrambler. Ive seen him catch some very skilled HAC pilots (everyone gets sloppy from time too time). You would have been in a world of hurt then cause those BS and Cruisers would have jumped into system and KeK you. Go fly a real ship for PvP and have some real battles, then come too the forums too brag or whatever, untill then your just another scrub in a frig. |
Salliene
Gallente Trinity Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.22 15:48:00 -
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In this thread we have the age old argument of who is a real PVPer and which playstyle is superior.
Once again people arguing over two questions that have no real answer cannot reach an agreement. Shocking!
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