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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:04:00 -
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If it's really that big an expense then perhaps a few hours extra at work a month will solve this rather than moaning about conversion rates.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:05:00 -
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Yup I'm having to pay almost double for my subs compared to this time last year. Stupid Credit Crunch
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tiffis
Originally by: Eben Rochelle Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 22/01/2009 09:27:41 Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 22/01/2009 09:26:58 Its Nationalist not racist, the British arent a race were a sort of pic'n'mix and races and ethnicity
*edit Oh and bo1locks to the yanks pass me the gin and cut me a slice of that black pudding whilst i reminisce about the empire. IBT white bean eaters
The British are a race. Perhaps you should stop watching so much of the liberal brainwashing that is spewed out of the BBC and other sources.
It will do your brain the world of good.
Angles Saxons Danes French Roman Celtic Ex colonial peoples Scottish Welsh Irish Polish
We are a nation that absorbs other cultures. We are a nation these days not a race.
Im sure the scotts, irish & welsh have a thing or two to say about british being a race...
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Taylor timenenzi
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy Edited by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy on 22/01/2009 06:21:33 Edited by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy on 22/01/2009 06:20:31
Originally by: Kessiaan Silly Brits.
Dollar is low, they say "OH NOES WE ARE PAYING MORE THAN AMERICANS ON SUB FEES! I'M GOING TO CANCEL ALL ELEVENTYBILLION OF MY ACCOUNTS!!!!!!"
Dollar is high, they say "OH NOES I CAN'T BUY CHEAP GTCS IN DOLLARS ANYMORE! I'M GOING TO CANCEL ALL ELEVENTYBILLION OF MY ACCOUNTS!!!!!!"
I don't hear anyone saying that. I do hear Americans saying "OH NOES, WE MANAGED TO F*CK UP THE ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY AS A RESULT OF OUR GREED! LET'S BLAME SOMEONE ELSE AND HOPE NOONE NOTICES IT'S COS WE GOT 'EM CREDIT CARDS AND LOANS WE COULDN'T AFFORD!"
edit: sweary word all too obvious
The world is responsible for messing itself up. Regulation in Europe was as lax as it was in the United States and Russia. Or should I say the enforcement of such regulations. quote]
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Tiffis
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: Tiffis
Originally by: Eben Rochelle Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 22/01/2009 09:27:41 Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 22/01/2009 09:26:58 Its Nationalist not racist, the British arent a race were a sort of pic'n'mix and races and ethnicity
*edit Oh and bo1locks to the yanks pass me the gin and cut me a slice of that black pudding whilst i reminisce about the empire. IBT white bean eaters
The British are a race. Perhaps you should stop watching so much of the liberal brainwashing that is spewed out of the BBC and other sources.
It will do your brain the world of good.
Angles Saxons Danes French Roman Celtic Ex colonial peoples Scottish Welsh Irish Polish
We are a nation that absorbs other cultures. We are a nation these days not a race.
Im sure the scotts, irish & welsh have a thing or two to say about british being a race...
Europe has had races from multiple other countries mix and move at one point or another. So the Germans, French etc are not a race either?
I think they are regardless of who has moved where. Britain has had a lot of immigration that is true, but it doesn't stop people considering themselves a British race.
So you say the Scotts and others have a lot to say about the English not being a race eh?
Looks like others don't agree with you.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: Tiffis
Originally by: Eben Rochelle Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 22/01/2009 09:27:41 Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 22/01/2009 09:26:58 Its Nationalist not racist, the British arent a race were a sort of pic'n'mix and races and ethnicity
*edit Oh and bo1locks to the yanks pass me the gin and cut me a slice of that black pudding whilst i reminisce about the empire. IBT white bean eaters
The British are a race. Perhaps you should stop watching so much of the liberal brainwashing that is spewed out of the BBC and other sources.
It will do your brain the world of good.
Angles Saxons Danes French Roman Celtic Ex colonial peoples Scottish Welsh Irish Polish
We are a nation that absorbs other cultures. We are a nation these days not a race.
Im sure the scotts, irish & welsh have a thing or two to say about british being a race...
They've already said it:
"We surrender"
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tiffis
Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: Tiffis
The British are a race. Perhaps you should stop watching so much of the liberal brainwashing that is spewed out of the BBC and other sources.
It will do your brain the world of good.
Angles Saxons Danes French Roman Celtic Ex colonial peoples Scottish Welsh Irish Polish
We are a nation that absorbs other cultures. We are a nation these days not a race.
Im sure the scotts, irish & welsh have a thing or two to say about british being a race...
Europe has had races from multiple other countries mix and move at one point or another. So the Germans, French etc are not a race either?
I think they are regardless of who has moved where. Britain has had a lot of immigration that is true, but it doesn't stop people considering themselves a British race.
So you say the Scotts and others have a lot to say about the English not being a race eh?
Looks like others don't agree with you.
Yes because the daily mail readers of britian decide id we're a race or not...
But either way no we are not a race, races are such groupings as Caucasian, Asian, African etc... not national identities such british, french, american etc...
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Hamshoe
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tiffis I think they are regardless of who has moved where. Britain has had a lot of immigration that is true, but it doesn't stop people considering themselves a British race.
Yep, it's a social construct without any meaning beyond what people want to think of themselves and others.
So if you're feeling bad about the demise of empire and your currency going to poo, just think of yourself as something else.
And then move to where you can get your government check in a decent currency.
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Saint Fu
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:22:00 -
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United Kingdom / Great Britain are both politican / Monarcal unions and most people on these damp isles see themselves by the county that they were born ie I'm English.
The only reason that players from the UK are obsessed with exchange rates for Eve is because it is the only mmo that I have played that I cannot pay for in my currency.
We can only pay in euro's or dollars and as we hate everyone from europe and the US we are on a real bummer |
Valhallas
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: AeonPhoenix Edited by: AeonPhoenix on 22/01/2009 02:42:45
Anyone else starting to feel the squeeze now, currency conversion wise?
0.72 US dollars against the British pound now.
I groaned when worked out what GTC's are costing me now on a calculator.
I'm pretty muched going to be forced to cancel my second account within the next couple of months.
I worked under agency/contract conditions, so I never really had any job security to speak of when work dried up.
If work has dried up you will have more time to play EVE.
More time spent on EVE = more ISK made.
More ISK made = ISK to buy GTC's.
Problem solved |
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tiffis
Originally by: Eben Rochelle Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 22/01/2009 09:27:41 Edited by: Eben Rochelle on 22/01/2009 09:26:58 Its Nationalist not racist, the British arent a race were a sort of pic'n'mix and races and ethnicity
*edit Oh and bo1locks to the yanks pass me the gin and cut me a slice of that black pudding whilst i reminisce about the empire. IBT white bean eaters
The British are a race.
Hmm. Ok. |
Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:37:00 -
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Race as in Human Race. Ethnicity and Nationality are what you're refering to though. I don't believe they have to be the same thing either, still it's not what the topic is about.
GTC's can only be paid for in Dollars or Euro's. Game accounts can either be purchased in US Dollars or Euro's.
That is what I find more annoying, never knowing exactly how much is going to be deducted from one month to the next. I'm sure the server fees are paid in Sterling, so how about giving the option of UK Registered account holders the ability to select Pounds Sterling, instead of this Euro rubbish. Although in four or five years time we'll be using Euros anyway.
The fact that ingame (and forum) prices for GTC is 700M isk is neither here nor there. People who play the game and buy the codes using ingame ISK and those that purchase the codes with cash to sell for ISK are the ones that decide on the price. If the price is too high in ISK, get a pre-paid cash card (There are several around) and start saving.
It would be really awesome if there were some UK Based 3rd Party GTC Sellers though (Cash, not ISK). Ahh well.
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armas
Gallente Minbari Research Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval [Im sure the scotts, irish & welsh have a thing or two to say about british being a race...
The Welsh are the only true Britons.
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Laevateinn
Novus Aevum Transport and Industries Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:51:00 -
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Just to add something to the bandwagon, one of the reasons Brits may choose GTC's is that one of the major payment types for a young Briton is a base level debit card such as Solo or Maestro [Chip and Pin], which are not accepted as valid types of payment for a subscription for EVE Online, nor at the EVE shop (me having to ask my housemate from Europe to order my E-ON issue.) The accepted cards are the Mastercard and Visa debit cards, or credit cards, which may be unsuitable for younger players, or generally shunned due to their nature.
And possibly the fact that they (Credit Cards) are part of the reason the whole worlds economy is doing a loop de loop right now. :P
Not all of us Brit's whine, waaah and the like. We're on a bad patch at the moment, but it would be nice to see a few extra payment options that offer parity with the true worth of a subscription, rather than forcing people into GTCs where the exchange rate can fluctuate.
Indeed, the only winners are actually those who sell GTCs for ISK. People are naturally a bit miffed that it takes more pound sterling to get 60 days of game time, who why shouldn't they charge more ISK for those 60 days? At the end of the day, the price of GTCs is only what the buyer will buy it for. Why not jack things up? Then we'll see who cries.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.01.22 13:58:00 -
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I don't think you can call the British a race, but it is a category, and any categorisation lends towards cliched thinking, and we all do it.
I like to think there are people and that's it.
As for the economy, I don't like having to pay more for the subscription, but these things happen, and they tend to go in cycles. They don't last that long either. The consequences can, but that is why you don't buy a house at vastly inflated prices, using a mortgage valued at up to ten times your salary from a bank that doesn't care if you can pay it back, as long as they have you on the books.
Frankly, when things are good, people and organisations inevitably get greedy, and politicians don't rock the boat for fear of jeopardising those all-important campaign contributions. We can sit and moan about politicians not doing anything, but who voted them in?
A lot of the current situation is of our own making. We close our eyes when things are good, and don't ask the right questions of our leaders (we're demanding, but usually about whatever flavour of the month there is, rather than what is practical). Simply put, we get the kind of society we deserve. If you want a better one, then it's time to start asking better questions of your leaders.
I'll get off my soapbox now. |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu We can only pay in euro's or dollars and as we hate everyone from europe and the US we are on a real bummer
We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd joined the Euro, rather than villifying it as the tool of the Evil Brussels Bureaucracy.
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Primus Metellus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:02:00 -
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Do what I did, leave the country. Damn Scots they ruined Scotland.
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Ranik Sandaris
Caldari The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Valhallas
If work has dried up you will have more time to play EVE.
More time spent on EVE = more ISK made.
More ISK made = ISK to buy GTC's.
Problem solved
Internet bills? |
Todd Doughnut
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:43:00 -
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Hurrah!
Love the high standards being displayed here.
Discussion of international finance devolves into race baiting sterotypical ignorance.
"Britishness" being a racial characteristic is hilarious. Its up there with "you'd all be speaking German now, if it wasnt for our glorious, glorious nation".
I had to learn German anyway! along with all of its demonic personal pronouns |
Darwin Duck
A Quest Millitia
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Posted - 2009.01.22 14:51:00 -
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Originally my creditcard was charged in USD, but when USD plumited, they started charge me 14.95 euro instead of USD. bastardos ;) |
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eliminator2
Gallente Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 15:20:00 -
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tbh to me we pay same as americans no matter wat i dnt no y its how i think :p
but still i dnt rely give a toss no more :D |
Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy Edited by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy on 22/01/2009 06:21:33 Edited by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy on 22/01/2009 06:20:31
Originally by: Kessiaan Silly Brits.
Dollar is low, they say "OH NOES WE ARE PAYING MORE THAN AMERICANS ON SUB FEES! I'M GOING TO CANCEL ALL ELEVENTYBILLION OF MY ACCOUNTS!!!!!!"
Dollar is high, they say "OH NOES I CAN'T BUY CHEAP GTCS IN DOLLARS ANYMORE! I'M GOING TO CANCEL ALL ELEVENTYBILLION OF MY ACCOUNTS!!!!!!"
I don't hear anyone saying that. I do hear Americans saying "OH NOES, WE MANAGED TO F*CK UP THE ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY AS A RESULT OF OUR GREED! LET'S BLAME SOMEONE ELSE AND HOPE NOONE NOTICES IT'S COS WE GOT 'EM CREDIT CARDS AND LOANS WE COULDN'T AFFORD!"
edit: sweary word all too obvious
I guess the lesson here is tell your banks to know what they are buying, huh? |
Jericho thePure
Amarr The 13th Armored Headhunters
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Posted - 2009.01.22 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ranik Sandaris
Originally by: Valhallas
If work has dried up you will have more time to play EVE.
More time spent on EVE = more ISK made.
More ISK made = ISK to buy GTC's.
Problem solved
Internet bills?
They take ISK don't they? ------------------------------------------------- - Sig
"All those moments, will be lost in time like tears in rain...... time to die ..." |
Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2009.01.22 16:13:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Sebea on 22/01/2009 16:14:06
Originally by: Tiffis
Originally by: Eben Rochelle
The British are a race. Perhaps you should stop watching so much of the liberal brainwashing that is spewed out of the BBC and other sources.
It will do your brain the world of good.
you sir, are a flat out moron of the lowest stature.
Race
at best, you can categorize yourself as a "sub species" of the human race, but even that is stretching it.
how do you manage to survive on a day to day basis being this ignorant?
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Mass'a Whipcracka
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Posted - 2009.01.22 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Mass''a Whipcracka on 22/01/2009 16:22:15
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy Edited by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy on 22/01/2009 06:21:33 Edited by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy on 22/01/2009 06:20:31
Originally by: Kessiaan Silly Brits.
Dollar is low, they say "OH NOES WE ARE PAYING MORE THAN AMERICANS ON SUB FEES! I'M GOING TO CANCEL ALL ELEVENTYBILLION OF MY ACCOUNTS!!!!!!"
Dollar is high, they say "OH NOES I CAN'T BUY CHEAP GTCS IN DOLLARS ANYMORE! I'M GOING TO CANCEL ALL ELEVENTYBILLION OF MY ACCOUNTS!!!!!!"
I don't hear anyone saying that. I do hear Americans saying "OH NOES, WE MANAGED TO F*CK UP THE ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY AS A RESULT OF OUR GREED! LET'S BLAME SOMEONE ELSE AND HOPE NOONE NOTICES IT'S COS WE GOT 'EM CREDIT CARDS AND LOANS WE COULDN'T AFFORD!"
edit: sweary word all too obvious
you sir were obviously not in the gazillion page long thread last year about changes to the GTC market then
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Sturdy Girl
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Posted - 2009.01.22 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sebea Edited by: Sebea on 22/01/2009 16:14:06
Originally by: Tiffis
Originally by: Eben Rochelle
The British are a race. Perhaps you should stop watching so much of the liberal brainwashing that is spewed out of the BBC and other sources.
It will do your brain the world of good.
you sir, are a flat out moron of the lowest stature.
Race
at best, you can categorize yourself as a "sub species" of the human race, but even that is stretching it.
how do you manage to survive on a day to day basis being this ignorant?
Oh for gods sake. Someone made a comment. Someone else said that comment was racist. Someone said its not racist as the comment was about a nationality, not a race.
WHO? THE? HELL? CARES?
The issue is whether the comment was generalistic and discriminatory. It obviously was. The argument appears to be about semantics, rather than content; whether it was discriminating on the basis of race, nationality, sub species, hairstyle or preference of main-course, doesn't really matter.
Er... oh, and I agree with anyone insulting Americans as a matter of course... please continue!
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tiffis Europe has had races from multiple other countries mix and move at one point or another. So the Germans, French etc are not a race either?
You obviously don't know that the French invented Patriotism, the love of the country rather than your bloodline.
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Korizan
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:03:00 -
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I totally agree it is all CCP's fault that the British pound is not stronger against the US dollar or the Euro is not stronger against the US Dollar.
Can you imagine if the US Dollar actually becomes stonger then the pound. Then instead of of the british buying GTC from US dealers it would be the US buying from British dealers. OMG then wouldn't that mean the US would then be getting a deal on there monthly charges instead of the British in this case ?
Ground breaking
I am sure CCP are working around the clock to fix the global economy for you.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Saint Fu We can only pay in euro's or dollars and as we hate everyone from europe and the US we are on a real bummer
We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd joined the Euro, rather than villifying it as the tool of the Evil Brussels Bureaucracy.
for the british staying out of the euro was prudent. nothing like giving over fiscal policy to those who do not love you in the least. |
Tiffis
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sturdy Girl
Originally by: Sebea Edited by: Sebea on 22/01/2009 16:14:06
you sir, are a flat out moron of the lowest stature.
Race
at best, you can categorize yourself as a "sub species" of the human race, but even that is stretching it.
how do you manage to survive on a day to day basis being this ignorant?
The issue is whether the comment was generalistic and discriminatory. It obviously was. The argument appears to be about semantics, rather than content; whether it was discriminating on the basis of race, nationality, sub species, hairstyle or preference of main-course, doesn't really matter.
You're right it did boil down to semantics, I could have worded my point better but meh.
Oh and too Sebea thanks for showing yourself up, anyone who has to resort to insults to get their point across tends to have a brain the size of a pee. You're doing your corp name justice "Bottom feeders"
Sorry about my derailment folks, carry on about GTC prices. |
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