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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.27 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Karrade Krise on 27/01/2009 17:40:15
Originally by: Luirich
Add also a loving God wouldn't let things carry on the way they are in the world, I don't care what excuse there is. And I don't really care about people(except murderers and rapists who really need to die a very slow and painful death) because they bring this all upon themselves. I feel sorry for abused animals, those that are skinned alive, beaten and so on.
Maybe God is just an a$$hole.
<_< >_> WUT?!
Crap, I'm going to Hell if he exists huh? Maybe I should convert to Christianity...at least I'll have a chance of forgivness...
CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.27 18:25:00 -
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Jesus don't believe in spaceships!
Delenda est achura. |
Elora Danzik
Caldari Ward-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue It's possible but no-one has come knocking at my hangar door yet
Uh oh. I just had this premonition about an unpleasant feature of Walking in Stations
that and the amway guy your friend refered. |
Kyden
Gallente Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Luirich Edited by: Luirich on 27/01/2009 15:20:32
Originally by: Viceroy Cole What made you quit? (honest question, I'm curious)
Started to question whether a "loving" God would really require and request some of the things he did in the bible.
Read other translations of the bible, KJV not recommended unless you like Shakespeare type writing. You will then see that JW's have changed there NWV to their liking. If there was something in the original text that they didn't like. They either removed it or replaced it with their own words. They have seriously added more **** into their version than any other translated version.
They tell you how and what to think. They even have rules against arguing with people like me, in fear that their members might get an effing clue to how brainwashed they really are. That's why I would bet 1 billion ISK that the op will not respond to anything I have mentioned here. And if he does, he better hope The Watchtower Society doesn't find out, he may get shunned... |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.01.29 06:05:00 -
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Moved to Events & Gatherings. |
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: MHayes No they are all out knocking on my door.
Mine too plz tell em to stop |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: SentryRaven
Originally by: Lefevre Keep religion out of eve.
Preaching to the Amarrians....
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Thurner
Originally by: Malephar Hello...
I was wondering if you could spare a few minute to talk about Jesus.
GAaahhhh! *runs away in panic and yells "They're everywhere!!" *
*knock knock* Hi their would you like to purchase my religion? |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Minara Nex Before anyone asks, no this isn't flamebait.
I'm looking to find out whether there are any fellow Witnesses playing?
Post if you are!
Are you allowed to use remote rep or remote shield boosting to heal in game? Or do you have to let them die like in RL?
burnnnneddddddd ouch ftw |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Minara Nex
Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Minara Nex Before anyone asks, no this isn't flamebait.
I'm looking to find out whether there are any fellow Witnesses playing?
Post if you are!
Are you allowed to use remote rep or remote shield boosting to heal in game? Or do you have to let them die like in RL?
Not bad not bad... Although to be realistic, remote rep should give you a 20% of catching a disease... And maybe turn you into an ugly SOB like an Amarr or something.
I resent the whole ugly amarr thing you must be thinkin of the flat reared achura I at least have junk in the trunk |
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Karrade Krise
Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 26/01/2009 10:58:38 I don't think many EvE players can be Jehovah's Witnesses After all, how many people saw Jehovah's Accident?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought Jehovah's Witnesses were pacifist. Not very popular folks for a PvP centric game
If they were TRULY pacifist...they wouldn't go door to door soliciting their religion like Door-To-Door Salesmen...
If they were truly pacifist, they would just let everyone to their own.
This as I have no interest in converting to such a relgion if it even is that. /me thinks it a cult kinda like scientology |
Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: loony thezoon Keep mindless superstition out of eve!!!
well, apart from the amarr i suppose
Yeesh flamin amarr in a JW thread thats just mean.... |
Minara Nex
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.29 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kyden
Originally by: Luirich Edited by: Luirich on 27/01/2009 15:20:32
Originally by: Viceroy Cole What made you quit? (honest question, I'm curious)
Started to question whether a "loving" God would really require and request some of the things he did in the bible.
Read other translations of the bible, KJV not recommended unless you like Shakespeare type writing. You will then see that JW's have changed there NWV to their liking. If there was something in the original text that they didn't like. They either removed it or replaced it with their own words. They have seriously added more **** into their version than any other translated version.
They tell you how and what to think. They even have rules against arguing with people like me, in fear that their members might get an effing clue to how brainwashed they really are. That's why I would bet 1 billion ISK that the op will not respond to anything I have mentioned here. And if he does, he better hope The Watchtower Society doesn't find out, he may get shunned...
1 Billion ISK!!! Sweet!
Most JWs do actually regularly read other versions of the Bible, I myself certainly do, and in many of our talks (sermons) other versions of the Bible are regularly quoted. The JWs use the New World Translation as a point of reference mainly and so we are all reading from the same book. It is a bible useful for study as it has cross references and an index, features that many bibles don't.
If you check out the Wikipedia page, you'll find many people comending the accuracy of it (and a few disagreeing, gotta love the internet) but, in contrast to the KJV which has been written through many versions and has changed over time, the witnesses went back to the original scrolls and tablets (many of which can be found in the British Museum) from which to do the translation.
As for brainwashed... I'd like to think that i'm open to other opinions and trains of thought. I agree that there are definatly some crazy JWs out there who will stick their fingers in their ears and hum tunes if you try to talk to them, but you'll find the majority of us are actually pretty normal people.
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Minara Nex
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.29 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Minara Nex on 29/01/2009 11:47:45
Originally by: Taradis
Originally by: Karrade Krise
Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 26/01/2009 10:58:38 I don't think many EvE players can be Jehovah's Witnesses After all, how many people saw Jehovah's Accident?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought Jehovah's Witnesses were pacifist. Not very popular folks for a PvP centric game
If they were TRULY pacifist...they wouldn't go door to door soliciting their religion like Door-To-Door Salesmen...
If they were truly pacifist, they would just let everyone to their own.
This as I have no interest in converting to such a relgion if it even is that. /me thinks it a cult kinda like scientology
I think you've misunderstood the term pacifist...
Wikipedia describes it as:
"Pacifism is the opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes or gaining advantage."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism
Which definatly describes the witnesses. As for door to door, i understand it is annoying.. but did you know if you ask them to list you as a 'Do Not Call' they'll stop calling for about 3 years? Thats all it takes...
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Thyestean23
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Minara NexQuite true! Not a great fan of Harry Potter, i did see the first two films, and whilst i did have the major hots for Hermionee (SP?) i thought the rest of the films were a load of balls.
To be honest, if you like Harry Potter, you suck balls.[/quote
I didnt know you were allowed to have the 'hots' for anything you werent already married too. I know the elders frown on sucking balls and what ever happened to the whole "bad associations thing?". You guys changed things up or what?
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Tractus Vesica
Caldari Atrum Flamma Order of the Black Dragons
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Posted - 2009.01.30 04:12:00 -
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I'm Roman Catholic. |
Kung Foolio
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Posted - 2009.01.30 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Minara Nex
Originally by: Kyden
Originally by: Luirich Edited by: Luirich on 27/01/2009 15:20:32
Originally by: Viceroy Cole What made you quit? (honest question, I'm curious)
Started to question whether a "loving" God would really require and request some of the things he did in the bible.
Read other translations of the bible, KJV not recommended unless you like Shakespeare type writing. You will then see that JW's have changed there NWV to their liking. If there was something in the original text that they didn't like. They either removed it or replaced it with their own words. They have seriously added more **** into their version than any other translated version.
They tell you how and what to think. They even have rules against arguing with people like me, in fear that their members might get an effing clue to how brainwashed they really are. That's why I would bet 1 billion ISK that the op will not respond to anything I have mentioned here. And if he does, he better hope The Watchtower Society doesn't find out, he may get shunned...
1 Billion ISK!!! Sweet!
Most JWs do actually regularly read other versions of the Bible, I myself certainly do, and in many of our talks (sermons) other versions of the Bible are regularly quoted. The JWs use the New World Translation as a point of reference mainly and so we are all reading from the same book. It is a bible useful for study as it has cross references and an index, features that many bibles don't.
If you check out the Wikipedia page, you'll find many people comending the accuracy of it (and a few disagreeing, gotta love the internet) but, in contrast to the KJV which has been written through many versions and has changed over time, the witnesses went back to the original scrolls and tablets (many of which can be found in the British Museum) from which to do the translation.
As for brainwashed... I'd like to think that i'm open to other opinions and trains of thought. I agree that there are definatly some crazy JWs out there who will stick their fingers in their ears and hum tunes if you try to talk to them, but you'll find the majority of us are actually pretty normal people.
I would just like to add about the bible part. There are no original scrolls left that were written by the original authors that were 'inspired' by God. All that were around at the time of King James were copies of copies as well. So copies of copies of an 'original' word were translated and copied. If you think that the people doing the copying/translating didn't change it to their own benefit (usually royalty and the like) then I would bet you are a little delusional. This information is usually available in the first pages of whatever bible you read, and you can easily fact check. While I do have JW's acquaintances and wish no ill feelings to them. A religion that basically ended thousands of peoples lives by the WTS (Watch Tower Society) predicting the end of the world in 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975, and 1994. Their believers traveled the country after quitting their jobs and telling people of this craziness. Any religion that would do that will never have my vote. Here is some documented proof so as to not put this information out on my own laurels.
"The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914; but it would be presumptuous on the part of any faithful follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is going to do during that year." - Watchtower magazine, 1924-JUL-15, Page 211.
Thank you for your time, and please think me not someone who hates, but I do believe religious people should study what they are getting into. |
Hack Causality
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Posted - 2009.02.03 23:23:00 -
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So, ah, when's the next end of the world coming up? |
Ebon Rue
1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 07:49:00 -
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2012 is what I've been hearing.
And to be fair, members of the Christian camp have attempted to predict the end of the world too. There was this guy in the 80's who wrote this book titled "88 reasons Jesus is coming back in 1988." It was sad, loads of people believed him, racked up all their credit cards, took out loans, got 2nd or 3rd mortgages, and partied like it was the end of the world. "Leave the devil with the bill!"
(This website was set up to counter the book, it's introduction has a couple of examples of other predictionists. Read or skim if you're interested. http://www.tscpulpitseries.org/english/1980s/ts880905.html)
*Shrugs* Predicting the religious end of the world is sort've useless, it says right in the bible that nobody knows the day or the hour, all a person can ever honestly say is that "It's getting closer." ...It'll probably be getting closer for a long time to come. |
Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:52:00 -
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I swear the mods are very double standard...
I'm trying to understand it. "Don't talk about religion" yet this thread still exists. Why can't we talk about other religions and such? Or even politics as long as it's in good taste? Double Standards p*ss me off...
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Minara Nex Edited by: Minara Nex on 29/01/2009 11:47:45
Originally by: Taradis
Originally by: Karrade Krise
Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 26/01/2009 10:58:38 I don't think many EvE players can be Jehovah's Witnesses After all, how many people saw Jehovah's Accident?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought Jehovah's Witnesses were pacifist. Not very popular folks for a PvP centric game
Then again they could also simply not bother in the first place and let me play eve.
If they were TRULY pacifist...they wouldn't go door to door soliciting their religion like Door-To-Door Salesmen...
If they were truly pacifist, they would just let everyone to their own.
This as I have no interest in converting to such a relgion if it even is that. /me thinks it a cult kinda like scientology
I think you've misunderstood the term pacifist...
Wikipedia describes it as:
"Pacifism is the opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes or gaining advantage."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism
Which definatly describes the witnesses. As for door to door, i understand it is annoying.. but did you know if you ask them to list you as a 'Do Not Call' they'll stop calling for about 3 years? Thats all it takes...
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Silverburne
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Luirich
Now I just live life, still trying to live as moral a life as an imperfect person can.
Now that is a sentiment I can relate too. You dont need religion to be a good person - and being religious doesnt make you a good person. I live by "Do unto others ..." |
Shirley Estyre
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Posted - 2009.02.06 04:35:00 -
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Quote: ost JWs do actually regularly read other versions of the Bible, I myself certainly do
They weren't intrested when i showed them the satanic bible and my beatiful pentagram In fact i never saw JW remove themselves so fast from my house. |
Tiber Vayal
Gallente Elemental Purifyance and Assembling Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:57:00 -
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Uhm... did Jesus lose skillpoints when he revived? O_o
Anyway, quite interesting thread... I'm interested too, if JWs are playing EVE. I knew some JWs and heard about opinions about scifi. A friend of mine was a big scifi fan, he was even a quite active scifi artist writing cool novels, drawing very nice pictures and even worked with Perry Rhodan and Lucas Films (a bit). He sometimes was attackt by the elders (how do the call them in english?) for several reasons. They said scifi is no good for JW, because it's projecting a future which can't happen due to armageddon and the other jehova-stuff. Additionally most scifi scenarios have something to do with violence, lasers and aliens (god created heaven and the earth... but nowhere is written about slimey creatures with antennas on their heads), which are "bad thoughts" which direct to other bad thoughs (eg some kind of utopia _without_ killing all infidels).
Originally by: Luirich
A JW learns that everyone else will be destroyed who isn't part of their faith(as do many other religions) ... I wondered how a God could destroy someone simply because they were raised in a different culture than my own and taught Hindu propaganda because their parents parents were taught it and so on and so forth goes the vicious circle.
That's exactly the point which is very difficult for many JW. For example my mother (who is with them for about 55 years) had huge problems with the fact, that her beloved childs and her husband (we are normal people ;)) are doomed in the faith of the JW. After decades of failure to interest us for the JW, I think she just tries to ignore it and says to herself, that God will know that we are good people and save uf bla bla. It just became a part of her own point of view, which is FAR away from reality. It often was very difficult to live with her (so I started to really HATE this thing), but on the other hand it's her way to deal with her expiriences in the great big ****ing war.
If JW are a religion, depends on the definition of religion. For me, christianity is a religion and JW are an institution based on this religions basic philosophy; while the same goes for catholics, protestants, mormons and all the other strange stuff. Why should there be a difference, apart the size? Each of this institutions was founded somewhen by a group of somehow. Each makes its own thing with the bible. About their bible I think it is neither better nor badder than any other. I've read the whole thing and enough of other editions and overall they are quite the same, which maybe is because they are all based on the same old transcripts (Luthers bible, Elberfelder aso). The main difference is the excessive use of gods name (relies on the verse like "they will bear my name or sth), what may be right or may be wrong, as no one knows how to spell the tetragrammaton correctly. It's the interpretation which differs heavily, but this is just default for every religious institution.
As for the annoying missionary at the doors... curiously enough this is part of their believes, they really _want_ to save those peoples lifes or at least honestly think the want it. I think even the uberbosses think it is their godly duty to do this, what in fact differences them from sects like Scientology, which primarily want to get money and power.
And for the end:
Originally by: Shirley Estyre They weren't intrested when i showed them the satanic bible and my beatiful pentagram Sad In fact i never saw JW remove themselves so fast from my house.
Hehe yes, this is in the fact the best to deal with annoying visits. I NEVER saw them again, after they stood before my door at a saturday morning after party, me wearing my then-believed-to-be-cool very-evil-ubergoth-starter-kit, smelling like a barrel of wodka, midst of a cloud of pot and with evil batcavish sounds about werewolfes coming out the black box that was my appartment. ;) |
XwRExile
Minmatar The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.02.08 17:40:00 -
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lol no fairy tales please its bad for my image. btw tell me what system your in so i can gank you |
Max Seymour
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Luirich Edited by: Luirich on 27/01/2009 15:20:32
Originally by: Viceroy Cole What made you quit? (honest question, I'm curious)
Started to question whether a "loving" God would really require and request some of the things he did in the bible. Then also started wondering why God would require something as silly as religion to begin with, surely he's waaaay beyond that.
Let me tell you how it started. A JW learns that everyone else will be destroyed who isn't part of their faith(as do many other religions) and I met the woman who is now my wife and she was Hindu. This was while I was still a JW. Anyway, herself and her sisters are such amazing people and I wondered how a God could destroy someone simply because they were raised in a different culture than my own and taught Hindu propaganda because their parents parents were taught it and so on and so forth goes the vicious circle.
Add also a loving God wouldn't let things carry on the way they are in the world, I don't care what excuse there is. And I don't really care about people(except murderers and rapists who really need to die a very slow and painful death) because they bring this all upon themselves. I feel sorry for abused animals, those that are skinned alive, beaten and so on.
Now I just live life, still trying to live as moral a life as an imperfect person can.
So in other words Luirich, you started thinking for yourself? Is that allowed??
Actually I'm a former J-Dub myself and I have to say that my situation sounds similar to Luirich. It's really an amazing feeling when you start to think of things from an outside perspective and see things in a new light.
The witnesses power over their people is FEAR. Fear of losing everything you have. That's what kept me in for so long. If you leave you will lose all your friends, sometimes family...not to mention fear of the things that have been drilled into your head. Armageddon is coming!! Ummm...yeah, no it's not. Also, if you question anything or read anything questioning the witnesses you could be shunned...Pretty good system they have worked out.
It took me years to get past a lot of things tho, and losing all your friends isn't easy...luckily I had siblings in the same situation and that helped a TON.
Good luck to anyone in this situation, I wish you the best.
"Think For Yourself, Question Authority"
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:50:00 -
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Grew up with half my family witness's and the other not.
Being of a scientific mind and with proper research I cant fail the bibles authenticity, given the choice creation always made more sense to me than evoloution.
As for the JW society, of course its flawed.. its run by humans, they make mistakes big and small, and yes! growing up as a JW is a nightmare. But on so many things they are correct and I still beleive it today. Unfortunatly I fell victim of temptation and practise many of the things which JW's (indeed jehovah) would frown upon. So my quitting was more about not wanted to be seen as hypocrytical.
One of those things would be playing violent games! Im fairly certain the Society would activly discourage playing games such as Eve. So I would be very suprised to see any strong community of Baptised JW's. Maybe unbaptised publishers still living with their parents. |
Ashen Brarn
More-Cowbell
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sade Onyx Grew up with half my family witness's and the other not.
Being of a scientific mind and with proper research I cant fail the bibles authenticity, given the choice creation always made more sense to me than evoloution.
I would really like to see you explain how your scientific mind rationalises creation in favour of evolution.
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Chips nBeans
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Posted - 2009.02.19 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ashen Brarn
Originally by: Sade Onyx Grew up with half my family witness's and the other not.
Being of a scientific mind and with proper research I cant fail the bibles authenticity, given the choice creation always made more sense to me than evoloution.
I would really like to see you explain how your scientific mind rationalises creation in favour of evolution.
No need, evolution is a theory created by man, his name was Charles Darwin, he spent his entire life looking for scientific evidence to backup his theory. At the end of his life he admited to not having found such evidence and that his theory was most probably incorrect.
Also, Creation vs Evoloution is a subject I studied and research for many years, What, you think Darwin came up with the 'theory' of evoloution by posting on forums and making wild guesses?... no, Darwins theory was based on long research and study. so I am not about to explain to you on a forum. If you really want to see the evidence then I suggest you offer a cup of tea to the next JW that knocks on your door. and be prepared to STUDY.
posting with other alt XD
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Synex
Gallente Oursulaert Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.20 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ashen Brarn
Originally by: Sade Onyx Grew up with half my family witness's and the other not.
Being of a scientific mind and with proper research I cant fail the bibles authenticity, given the choice creation always made more sense to me than evoloution.
I would really like to see you explain how your scientific mind rationalises creation in favour of evolution.
The way I always looked at it was...
Imagine they found a house on Mars, with plumbing, electric etc. Would you believe that it all came about by chance, or that aliens built it? Because there is honestly a greater chance of there being a house built from the deposits of sediments etc that just happened to turn into bricks and cement than there is of intelligent life coming about by chance. Synex Oursulaert Industries
Freelancer industrialist? Contact me for some exciting opportunities. |
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