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Substantia Nigra
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:11:00 -
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IGÇÖd like some advice on how best to approach recon support for my stealth bomber habit. IGÇÖm not really after ship-fitting advice, altho I realize that will come into it, and so am posting here and not the fitting forum. IGÇÖm after advice re tactics and approach GǪ what things IGÇÖll get the most mileage from by countering or allowing for.
It has been a lot of fun dual-boxing a stealth bomber PvP GÇÿfleetGÇÖ. This sees me stalking, and occasionally killing, opportunity targets in w-space. So far the fleet has been two hounds GǪ but have not been brave enough to tackle a drake, tengu, or other T3. IGÇÖd like to start trying for those T3s and so have fitted out a falcon as support ship, converting my fleet to 1 falcon and 1 hound.
It may not be a question that anyone can answer with certainty but, what is the best multi-function way to fit my support recon? IGÇÖm using a falcon atm, but can also fly the minmatar and gallente recons if needed.
My falcon currently has: EW strength rigs; 2 x signal distortion amps + 1 x 800mm plate; 3 x multi EW, 1 x caldari EW, 1 x minmatar EW, 1 x painter, & 1 x 10MN MWD; 1 x covops cloak, 1 x medium EM smartbomb, 1 x standard missile launcher, & 1 x medium neut; and 2 x warrior II drones. ItGÇÖs a fairly tight fitting with CPU being the limiting factor.
IGÇÖm using a bomber with MWD/cap-booster and 30km point.
My (noob) logic is that:
- I am most likely to find drakes / tengu solo running w-space sites GǪ and so the caldari jammer with 3 multis will have no problems jamming them out and having extra capacity if needed.
- The minmatar jammer is dedicated to the stiletto that my present targets have been using to try catch me GǪ planning to let him arrive next time. Also lokis seem to be the next most popular solo site-running ship in low-end w-space, after tengu / drake.
- The highslots and my drones are aimed at killing their drones if they start automatically aggroing my bomber guy or me;
- The painter is to augment the destructive power of the bomberGÇÖs torps;
- A falcon will have more general purpose utility than the painter / web bonuses of a rapier GǪ which was my main ship choice debate. A falcon keeps the DPS away from my fragile little bomber, whatever ship type I am tackling. A rapier will do that when I am tackling turret ships, but not in the case of missile boats.
IGÇÖm tempted to drop the plate buffer altogether, to free up some fitting space and perhaps pop in a DC or another signal distortion amp. IGÇÖm also debating (with myself) whether I should add in a web, perhaps at expense of the minmatar jammer GǪ but that would force me to get closer than I need for the jammers/painter.
I suppose I could web/paint fit a rapier and add a couple caldari ECMs, using them at their non-bonused range of around 30km if my target is a drake/tengu. Decisions, decisions.
Has anyone taken this approach? What works and what doesnGÇÖt? Am I missing anything important here?
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Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment
The House Of Cards.
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:07:00 -
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Unbonused ECM is only good if you have a LOT of it, I think PL used to put multispecs in the spare mid of their zealots, and that was okay for dealing with enemy Logi. However, you have two ships, so probably not a good idea. I think the Falcon is your best bet for mitigating damage, and the TP is a great idea that would not have occurred to me. I like all the thought you put into your midslots too. Just know that multispecs suck more cap, take more CPU, and have worse range than racials. If you feel like pimping your ships a bit, there are some surprisingly cheap faction, and even officer ECMs on contracts
Falcon would be a very solid choice, but I think the two recons you didn't mention (Possibly for training reasons?) might be worth a look as well.
Arazu: Can point from a long range, as well as damp many targets down so hard that they can no longer lock you sitting out at 30-40km pointing them. However, you can only really shut down one guy at a time, since you'd probably need all your damps.
Pilgrim: Most Tengus will be active tanked if solo, albeit heavily cap stable. A pilgrim with some bonused medium neuts could probably shut their tank off in a cycle or two, meaning you spend much less time killing your target. Also, the enormous drone bay can house ECM drones, Warriors, and Hammerheads, letting you engage a lot of targets. Finally, your TDs will prevent any ship with large guns and even some mediums from tracking your bomber. However, I'm not sure just how neut-resistant your enemies will be, and you have to place yourself right on top of them in heated scram range to use your neuts
Honestly, I think I would try both the Pilgrim and Falcon and see what I like better. I'd probably start with the falcon just so I could sit out at range and jam without getting pointed myself. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Enclave.
671
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:19:00 -
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Thanks very much for thoughtful and helpful reply.
I will explore faction ECM mods when I next pop up for air in empire ... and forgot that I prolly have a bundle of guristas multis in my home hangar already, from all those pirate epic arcs I've run.
As for the amarr recons, yes absolutely, once I finally bite the bullet and complete my cruiser V skill collection with amarr. Recon V atm, and then it's amarr cruiser V ... assuming I don't get distracted on some new grand venture 
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Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:00:00 -
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Dibblerette wrote:I think PL used to put multispecs in the spare mid of their zealots
And with multispecs you mean Meta 4 Amarr / Caldari Jammer. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:45:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:IGÇÖd like some advice on how best to approach recon support for my stealth bomber habit. IGÇÖm not really after ship-fitting advice, altho I realize that will come into it, and so am posting here and not the fitting forum. IGÇÖm after advice re tactics and approach GǪ what things IGÇÖll get the most mileage from by countering or allowing for.
It has been a lot of fun dual-boxing a stealth bomber PvP GÇÿfleetGÇÖ. This sees me stalking, and occasionally killing, opportunity targets in w-space. So far the fleet has been two hounds GǪ but have not been brave enough to tackle a drake, tengu, or other T3. IGÇÖd like to start trying for those T3s and so have fitted out a falcon as support ship, converting my fleet to 1 falcon and 1 hound.
T3's in wormholes have big active tanks that *must* be neuted out if you want to kill them. The SB is a good enough ship to kill a T3 once its tank is turned off but your "recon" support has to be a curse.
For doing exactly what you want to try I use a scorpion (ECM, Neut, Web) and a vagabond for initial tackle and enough "hold your ground" power to get the scorpion in and locked up on him. Better would be a curse and a cov-ops fit T3 for the OMGWHEREDIDYOUCOMEFROM factor.
Nevertheless a SB and Curse have chances against a WH fit T3 if you're quick but the SB is very squishy and should be uncloaked only *after* the curse has done it's magic. Bomb first then torp to maximize dps.
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BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:14:00 -
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I would go with the falcon and bomber.
The pilgrim is nice to help but you need survivability. Your hound can keep point. With a perma jammed tengu and a bomber you can do it, it just might take some time.
Also mutli specs blow dude, go racial
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:31:00 -
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The pilgrim's neuts can make the difference if they're active tanked, and EC-600 drones do a good job of keeping locks to a minimum. The falcon is a superior jammer, but if they can tank more damage than you can dish out you're just going to waste time and missiles on an unkillable target. The pilgrim will put an end to that.
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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Enclave.
671
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Posted - 2012.04.21 01:49:00 -
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Thanks guys.
It's falcon for the time being ... since i am not trained for amarr cruiser V ... and in a few weeks time I will give the pilgrim a run.
Fingers crossed. Lots of stalking so far, but no actual tackling for quite a while :-(
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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:41:00 -
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F.o.F ........ goes into tengus tubes and the drake will pop out warrior 2's in addition to the fofs. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Enclave.
686
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:47:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:F.o.F ........ goes into tengus tubes and the drake will pop out warrior 2's in addition to the fofs.
Indeed, but I donGÇÖt see many people carrying them. But your post is a good reminder that I probably should look at carrying some GÇô Thanks.
The drake I tackled last session wasnGÇÖt even carrying drones, if the KM is to be believed. He certainly did not deploy any, either while clearing the sleepers or once IGÇÖd tackled him. Perhaps he'd had them killed off by earlier waves of sleepers.
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L0rdF1end
Sicarius.
When Hippos Attack
35
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Posted - 2012.04.25 16:55:00 -
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To support your Hound wouldn't you be better off considering an Arazu, especially if you are targeting 1 or 2 PVE'ing targets.
Using damps on your Arazu plus hound will see your targets locking range reduced down to pretty much nothing (even better with damp skills maximised)
This would mean you can keep your target tackled and if played correclty your target won't even be able to hit you.
Between your Arazu and Hound you should be able to fit around 5 damps and still have everything else required.
That's a lot of damp and with that you should be able to control the fight in your favour facing 2 targets or less. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Enclave.
686
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:14:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:To support your Hound wouldn't you be better off considering an Arazu, especially if you are targeting 1 or 2 PVE'ing targets.
Thanks, and trying pilgrim and arazu is on my list GǪ sometime RSN.
IGÇÖve dropped the falcon for the time being and returned to my two stealth bombers. The falcon is an awesome ship, but I found I preferred the light-weight fast and small approach that the bombers gave me. After pottering around in the bombers for a while the falcon felt a bit like flying an orca again.
I think IGÇÖll stick with two bombers for a while longer, and try progressively tougher targets as my skills improve GǪ along with all the opportunity targets I manage to find and not messup on (Who swapped their 30km point for a standard one and then forgot about it? Last niteGÇÖs drake pilot must have wet himself laughing as I bravely warped in to 30km, locked him, and then let him warp away as I tried to burn / overheat that extra 5km).
My current list is something like: Drake (done); Drake without dying myself (not done); tengu / loki; deep space transport; machariel.
IGÇÖve swapped one hound for a manticore and am setting it up as a mini-falcon GÇô point and jammers GÇô to try take on those larger ships. The other is pretty standard although IGÇÖve dropped the bomb launcher to maximise midslots fitting options.
Once I get better at the basics, like what-range-point-do-you-have-idiot-?, IGÇÖll swap back and try the various recons GǪ they still strike me as great force multipliers.
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Mike Whiite
Progressive State
State Section 9
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:43:00 -
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Quote:It has been a lot of fun dual-boxing a stealth bomber PvP GÇÿfleetGÇÖ. This sees me stalking, and occasionally killing, opportunity targets in w-space. So far the fleet has been two hounds GǪ but have not been brave enough to tackle a drake, tengu, or other T3. IGÇÖd like to start trying for those T3s and so have fitted out a falcon as support ship, converting my fleet to 1 falcon and 1 hound.
Try a Manticore Especialy in fleets, lots of midslots help. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Enclave.
697
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Posted - 2012.04.26 18:38:00 -
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Mike Whiite wrote:Quote:It has been a lot of fun dual-boxing a stealth bomber PvP GÇÿfleetGÇÖ. This sees me stalking, and occasionally killing, opportunity targets in w-space. So far the fleet has been two hounds GǪ but have not been brave enough to tackle a drake, tengu, or other T3. IGÇÖd like to start trying for those T3s and so have fitted out a falcon as support ship, converting my fleet to 1 falcon and 1 hound. Try a Manticore Especialy in fleets, lots of midslots help.
Substantia Nigra wrote:
IGÇÖve swapped one hound for a manticore and am setting it up as a mini-falcon GÇô point and jammers GÇô to try take on those larger ships.
Indeed I shall
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