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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hariya
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Ninja salvage is a tool of the pirate wanna-be. It's a high sec griefer's tactic.
If you can't handle high sec then you should stay out of there
I'm not the one hiding behind concord while I harrass others.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ottersmacker Why does the OP talk about stealing? Theft presupposes ownership, yet wrecks have no owner. If wrecks were assumed to have owners, the only entity which could be somehow rationalized to be the owner of, say, a mission wreck, would be the NPC corporation whose ship had been destroyed (e.g True Power for Sansha rats). I find that is extremely hypocritical when a capsuleer blows up a True Power ship and then defends True Power's right of ownership to their wreck.
Funny cause all wrecks have a name and pic on them. Try shooting one and see what happens. No owner indeed.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: NightF0x What Jackass fails to realize is that CCP already changed how salvaging works in the favor of salvagers. You used to have to loot the wreck before you could salvage it. Wrecks have no more rights than asteroids therefore they are free for all. CCP isn't going to change this any time soon. Read CCP's responses and you will see that the salvage isn't there to pad mission runners' wallets.
Oh I realize it. I also realized jet/loot cans used to be ffa as well. Been around a while. Loot cans used to work exactly like wrecks do now. Guess what's not ffa anymore.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: BrysonBennington Flipping someone elses jet can should be the same as firing on them. If you flip a can Concord will eventually show up and handle the flipper.
killed for going thru someon'es trash...WTF are you smokin' ?
Just because it's in a wreck or a loot can doesn't mean it's trash. That arguement was settled a long ass time ago.
Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass How do they know how your ship is fitted? From an RP stand point it would be in thier best interest to take out the easy target rather than the nearly invulnerable BS.
From a game balance stand point, anyone on grid should be a target.
you want ninjas to start bringing BSs into yer missions ? Add the flag for salvaging that you mission runners keep asking for and I can see a recipe for loads ninja fun and a torrent of mission runner tears and threadnaughts begging CCP to change it back 1!! change it baaaaaaaaack !!11!eleventy11!!!
gets my vote
They don't already have a nuet domi waiting in a nearby station? I didn't see all that many people asking for loot can flagging to be changed back. I welcome the chance to take down anyone dumb enough to steal my salvage. I'll happily call in friends before I fire.
BTW yer a troll. You took that last quote completely out of context.
Failure at debate ftw.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.03.02 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
They don't already have a nuet domi waiting in a nearby station? I didn't see all that many people asking for loot can flagging to be changed back. I welcome the chance to take down anyone dumb enough to steal my salvage. I'll happily call in friends before I fire.
BTW yer a troll. You took that last quote completely out of context.
Failure at debate ftw.
There is very little to debate, CCP run this game and they DO NOT agree with you ...which is a shame because I genuinely look forward to the day when GREEDY mission runners like you who think everything in EvE has been created for them get what they are asking for and find their mission invaded by a fleet of 6 Battleships from TEARS or similar and just have to watch as they take all the salvage and all the loot and hopefully the mission objective too.
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hawtalt pr0nmistress
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Posted - 2009.03.02 09:29:00 -
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It would be nice if there was a mechanic in game to claim salvage rights on stuff in missions but at the moment as has been said by many people salvage is ffa. Do you really really really want salvagers to be flagged? Will you actually shoot at them? If this is changed I predict a massive increase in the price of CNRs as thousands of missionbears get wasted for aggressing someone who salvaged their mission.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: hawtalt ****mistress It would be nice if there was a mechanic in game to claim salvage rights on stuff in missions but at the moment as has been said by many people salvage is ffa. Do you really really really want salvagers to be flagged? Will you actually shoot at them? If this is changed I predict a massive increase in the price of CNRs as thousands of missionbears get wasted for aggressing someone who salvaged their mission.
I'd like the option yes.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Insa Rexion There is very little to debate, CCP run this game and they DO NOT agree with you ...which is a shame because I genuinely look forward to the day when GREEDY mission runners like you who think everything in EvE has been created for them get what they are asking for and find their mission invaded by a fleet of 6 Battleships from TEARS or similar and just have to watch as they take all the salvage and all the loot and hopefully the mission objective too.
How do you know what ccp thinks? You've got a quote from one employee.
It seems like a power struggle inside ccp to me. Seeing as they keep making the same mistakes.
If someone really wants to bring 6 battleships to salvage my wreck, they can have them. If it takes that much manpower, it wouldn't be very profitable.
Then again, maybe my corp would like to gank 6 battleships. Shouldn't the choice be mine?
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.03.02 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Insa Rexion on 02/03/2009 10:46:43 Edited by: Insa Rexion on 02/03/2009 10:44:13
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Insa Rexion There is very little to debate, CCP run this game and they DO NOT agree with you ...which is a shame because I genuinely look forward to the day when GREEDY mission runners like you who think everything in EvE has been created for them get what they are asking for and find their mission invaded by a fleet of 6 Battleships from TEARS or similar and just have to watch as they take all the salvage and all the loot and hopefully the mission objective too.
How do you know what ccp thinks? You've got a quote from one employee. It seems like a power struggle inside ccp to me. Seeing as they keep making the same mistakes.
GM Faolchu
sen GM Ytterbium
yes seems like none of them can agree at all
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass If someone really wants to bring 6 battleships to salvage my wreck, they can have them. If it takes that much manpower, it wouldn't be very profitable.
The number 6 was just a hypothetical...and you assume, like any decent carebear would, that we do what we do for purely profit based reasons....you are wrong, very very wrong, people like you make it so much fun
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Then again, maybe my corp would like to gank 6 battleships. Shouldn't the choice be mine?
I really do hope so, hisec gang fights without the cost of wardec fees, that aren't outside a station and allow you to pick and choose when/where and go about your normal business when you're done. You do realise you are arguing in favour of BUFFING ninja salvaging don't you ? With ideas like this I think you should run for CSM....I swear to God I would vote for you (sincerely, no trolling).
I do have just one question, can you fit tackle on a Raven without gimping your mission tank ?
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 10:51:00 -
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Yeah yeah, we've all read the quotes. Exact same stance they took on loot cans. Ya **** enough people off and it'll get changed, again.
Soooooo if you welcome high sec fights, why are you against salvaging flaggin a player?
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Tamahra
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.02 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: mcdoodle As we all know when loot is stolen from a wreck they theif becomes hostile and therefore you can attack without fear of concord, it would be nice if you were able to attack if they salvage wrecks aswell, I can only see not having that feature driving people from the game.
no its not driving people from the game.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.03.02 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Yeah yeah, we've all read the quotes. Exact same stance they took on loot cans. Ya **** enough people off and it'll get changed, again.
Didn't you just say we only had one quote from one CCP employee ? Now you say everyone's read them yada yada. Some consistency would be nice.
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Soooooo if you welcome high sec fights, why are you against salvaging flaggin a player?
I'm not...if that is not abundantly clear from my posts then I really do not know what to say to you. Do not confuse my attempts to help you understand CCP's position with wanting salvaging to remain unflagged.I may think CCP are technically correct, but I still want you to get your misguided wish, just for different reasons to you.
well mannered a**h*** |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 02/03/2009 11:12:22 You're trolling again. Another form of griefing.
Originally by: Insa Rexion The number 6 was just a hypothetical...and you assume that we do what we do for purely profit based reasons....you are wrong, very very wrong, people like you make it so much fun
Same motivation for most salvage theft. So why does concord protect them?
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.03.02 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Insa Rexion on 02/03/2009 11:21:06
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 02/03/2009 11:12:22 You're trolling again. Another form of griefing.
Originally by: Insa Rexion The number 6 was just a hypothetical...and you assume that we do what we do for purely profit based reasons....you are wrong, very very wrong, people like you make it so much fun
Same motivation for most salvage theft. So why does concord protect them?
When I said "why we do what we do" I was actually talking about ninja salvaging. Anyway it seems that you wish concord to protect those who take Eve very seriously and punish those who have fun. If I was griefing I would scan YOU down and salvage YOUR missions over and over again...I don't do that.
But of course you are probably right, laughing at someone who freaks out in local over 20 burned logic circuits and calls you a f**..W**** and worse should be punishable by CONCORD.
well mannered a**h*** |
H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:07:00 -
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Ok, I support your cause. Not because I think it is fair or whatsoever, just because I want to see the whines after Ninja Salvagers blew up mission runners all across Motsu and Dodixie.
Remember my words...
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bettybettybettybetty
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:33:00 -
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God you're childish, that's you tactic? kicking and screaming until CCP decides to give in? It's not even that hard to counter, grow up.
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:38:00 -
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So you're whining about being griefed... because somebody is salvaging "your" poor little wrecks? Oh no!
That should totally be a bannable offense. How dare they.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:43:00 -
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Quote: As we all know when loot is stolen from a wreck they theif becomes hostile and therefore you can attack without fear of concord, it would be nice if you were able to attack if they salvage wrecks aswell, I can only see not having that feature driving people from the game.
If you implement this, all that will happen is a lot more dead mission runners. They put in flagging for can theft, and the griefers used it FAR more effectively to their advantage than the miners did. ___________________
I for one welcome our new bee overlords |
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CCP Navigator
C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:01:00 -
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Guys and girls,
Salvaging wrecks, as it stands right now, will not flag an aggression timer. GM Ytterbium discusses the issue herestating:
"You can still salvage other people wrecks without CONCORD intervening. To make it clear again, doing so is not considered an exploit and stays within normal game mechanics."
This is a normal game mechanic and unless you can put down a well thought out reason as to why this should be changed then it will remain a valid game mechanic.
Trolling and flaming each other will not get it changed.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Games, Email |
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Adaera
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
Salvaging wrecks, as it stands right now, will not flag an aggression timer. GM Ytterbium discusses the issue herestating:
"You can still salvage other people wrecks without CONCORD intervening. To make it clear again, doing so is not considered an exploit and stays within normal game mechanics."
This is a normal game mechanic and unless you can put down a well thought out reason as to why this should be changed then it will remain a valid game mechanic.
Trolling and flaming each other will not get it changed.
/thread ___________________
I for one welcome our new bee overlords |
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
Salvaging wrecks, as it stands right now, will not flag an aggression timer. GM Ytterbium discusses the issue herestating:
"You can still salvage other people wrecks without CONCORD intervening. To make it clear again, doing so is not considered an exploit and stays within normal game mechanics."
This is a normal game mechanic and unless you can put down a well thought out reason as to why this should be changed then it will remain a valid game mechanic.
Trolling and flaming each other will not get it changed.
d-d-d-d-d-dominating
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Aethrwolf
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:57:00 -
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Ok, I get that CCP doesnt plan on changing this and that its a feature.. but... I dont understand why. CCP talks about EVE being a pvp game at heart, so why would they have a feature that discourages pvp, yet encourages player anger (at least among the mission runners)since you cant attack someone "stealing" from you without getting concorded in high sec. (dont flame for the "stealing" please.. most mission runners DO consider wrecks to be their property)
The only real reason I can possibly come up with is because most mission fits make pvp chancy at best. The fix for that is to accelerate the new AI implementation and fix NPC EWAR stats so that mission fits will be more pvp-like and then change the salvage flagging to encourage more pvp.
Heh.. if the is anything like what CCP is thinking then maybe I DO understand after all.
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kel Nissa on 02/03/2009 18:14:01 My crystal ball told me: Some features are just a side effect of technical limitiations.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Insa Rexion on 02/03/2009 19:04:04
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
Salvaging wrecks, as it stands right now, will not flag an aggression timer. GM Ytterbium discusses the issue herestating:
"You can still salvage other people wrecks without CONCORD intervening. To make it clear again, doing so is not considered an exploit and stays within normal game mechanics."
This is a normal game mechanic and unless you can put down a well thought out reason as to why this should be changed then it will remain a valid game mechanic.
Trolling and flaming each other will not get it changed.
Paging Marlenus to the thread...
Despite the "internal conflict" the OP claims is occurring within CCP over this issue, another brave employee has broken ranks to add to your list of quotes.
well mannered a**h*** |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:11:00 -
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Quote: Ok, I get that CCP doesnt plan on changing this and that its a feature.. but... I dont understand why. CCP talks about EVE being a pvp game at heart, so why would they have a feature that discourages pvp, yet encourages player anger (at least among the mission runners)since you cant attack someone "stealing" from you without getting concorded in high sec. (dont flame for the "stealing" please.. most mission runners DO consider wrecks to be their property)
You claim to want PVP, but you're avoiding such PVP by being in hisec. If you would go mission in lowsec, you could get this PVP that you so desire.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:26:00 -
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Quote: most mission runners DO consider wrecks to be their property
There's your problem. Cans show when they are empty, salvage doesn't; the act of salvaging "creates" the salvage, and so the owner is whoever can make the wreck turn into salvage materials.
Cans in my opinion shouldn't flag either, but then I'm a believer in no Concord response and instead sentry guns all over high sec. Not going to happen, but I feel it'd drive the point home about highsec not being totally safe when a 50 man pirate gang rolls into a 0.8 system spider-tanking the faction navy and sentry guns and lays waste to everything in their path. It'd also be a hell of a lot of fun to be a part of, and would probably encourage a lot more new players to get involved in PVP early rather than being caught in the evil clutches of the highsec mission runners and miners to develop their loathing of us lowsec denizens.
What can I say? I have a dream... -
Originally by: The Cuckoo Good luck in defending idiotic and greedy noobs, as far as I'm concerned, you are their champion.
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NightF0x
Gallente Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.03.03 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
Salvaging wrecks, as it stands right now, will not flag an aggression timer. GM Ytterbium discusses the issue herestating:
"You can still salvage other people wrecks without CONCORD intervening. To make it clear again, doing so is not considered an exploit and stays within normal game mechanics."
This is a normal game mechanic and unless you can put down a well thought out reason as to why this should be changed then it will remain a valid game mechanic.
Trolling and flaming each other will not get it changed.
Sums that argument up with a nice bow
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.03.03 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
Salvaging wrecks, as it stands right now, will not flag an aggression timer. GM Ytterbium discusses the issue herestating:
"You can still salvage other people wrecks without CONCORD intervening. To make it clear again, doing so is not considered an exploit and stays within normal game mechanics."
This is a normal game mechanic and unless you can put down a well thought out reason as to why this should be changed then it will remain a valid game mechanic.
Trolling and flaming each other will not get it changed.
We know salvaging a wreck doesn't flag you. Need I say "no duh"? What do you think the entire thread is about? That it's not considered an exploit is another no brainer. It doesn't change the fact that you all made a mistake and REINTRODUCED the perfect griefer tactic. This was a done deal when you fixed loot/jet cans. If you don't like the complaints you have only yourselves to blame.
As for trolling, you might take a look at who's doin the trolling. Same people who use your game mechanics to harrass and annoy with impunity. Harsh universe? Game of pure pvp? Not if you're a ninja salvager.
You want a well thought out ,detailed post? Comin up. Not tonight though. Some of us have real lives to attend to.
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.03 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
Salvaging wrecks, as it stands right now, will not flag an aggression timer. GM Ytterbium discusses the issue herestating:
"You can still salvage other people wrecks without CONCORD intervening. To make it clear again, doing so is not considered an exploit and stays within normal game mechanics."
This is a normal game mechanic and unless you can put down a well thought out reason as to why this should be changed then it will remain a valid game mechanic.
Trolling and flaming each other will not get it changed.
Harsh universe? Game of pure pvp? Not if you're a mission runner.
fixed
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NightF0x
Gallente Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.03.03 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Johli
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
Salvaging wrecks, as it stands right now, will not flag an aggression timer. GM Ytterbium discusses the issue herestating:
"You can still salvage other people wrecks without CONCORD intervening. To make it clear again, doing so is not considered an exploit and stays within normal game mechanics."
This is a normal game mechanic and unless you can put down a well thought out reason as to why this should be changed then it will remain a valid game mechanic.
Trolling and flaming each other will not get it changed.
Harsh universe? Game of pure pvp? Not if you're a mission runner.
fixed
haha i see what you did there...lmao Jackass, you can bitc4 and moan to your heart's content but they aren't going to change it any time soon. ------------------------------------
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