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Karnus Solus
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Posted - 2009.01.30 01:47:00 -
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Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission in the 3rd room and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting. He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks. He didnŠt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnŠt a thing we could do about it as itŠs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.
Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner. I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not, but CCP if you are listening, PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!
Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canŠt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks)
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XTheVorteX
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.30 01:48:00 -
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I agree, we should most definitely nerf the falcon.
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Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 30/01/2009 01:58:03 MAAAAAWWWWWWMMMMMMMM!
HE VIOLATED MY PERSONAL SPACE!
suck it up, buttercup!
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.01.30 01:56:00 -
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Whats wrong with the falcon?
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FatFreddy
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Posted - 2009.01.30 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus
Sitting there working hard to kill things
I feel you man, all this sitting in front of the screen, left-clicking and watching virtual spaceships pop while farting and scratching your sack is really fatiguing.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 02:12:00 -
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In before Tchell.
Oh, wait.
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!
I wish this would happen as well. I would love to see the number of tears when a CNR blows up a salvager and a couple of corpmates warp in and blow up the CNR. |
Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: FatFreddy
Originally by: Karnus Solus
Sitting there working hard to kill things
I feel you man, all this sitting in front of the screen, left-clicking and watching virtual spaceships pop while farting and scratching your sack is really fatiguing.
I don't scratch at all. That's my butler's job. |
Sanka Cofie
Amarr Fractured Core Malcula Templum
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:15:00 -
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We should start a fun game:
Guess how long it takes for CCP to change it so salvaging brings flags.
Then guess how long before the "waaah salvaging doesn't cause agro" crowd turns into the "Waaah I lost my CNR for aggroing a ninja-salvager" crowd. |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Karma on 30/01/2009 03:25:22
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Karnus Solus PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!
I wish this would happen as well. I would love to see the number of tears when a CNR blows up a salvager and a couple of corpmates warp in and blow up the CNR.
Luckily the bears fail to understand agro mechanics as much as you do.
Corp agro would only be achieved if they looted the wreck. What usually happens in loot thief scenario, is the salvager warps away (unless you fit scram on you mission BS) then he comes back and pew pews you to dust.
I would love to see salvaging cause flagging, bears are so possessive
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:30:00 -
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hey Tchell this seems oddly reminiscent of the last thread asking exactly this in which a gm already told the guy "STFU Noob, stop crying" ...or something like that. don't you agree?
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Iyhi Baal
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:33:00 -
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Dude ! You are doing it wrong. If you have 2 wingmen then you can run through the missions so fast that stopping for salvage does not make sense.
Here's what to do; 1) never accept missions that require you to return an item. 2) never accept missions that requre require killing faction navies. 3) 2 shoot while the third turns in/ gets next mission.
benefits; 1) never have to change resist. 2) ammo cost is collectively very low 3) no need for pimp faction ship 4) have lots of friends 5) lots of lp and isk 6) if the planets align and you get 2 missions you dont like the Dodixie region has plenty of agents with reasonable standing.
You will find yourself rolling in LP, isk, and implants in no time. Believe it!
################# I see you! |
Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma Luckily the bears fail to understand agro mechanics as much as you do.
Is it a mechanics comprehension "problem", or is it a question of philosophy?
The OP's thinking is most likely that if ninja salvagers will get flagged, they will avoid ninjaing salvage. The "logic" being that, like the OP, the ninja is the kind that would rather avoid a fight.
Of course, the carebear in Eve learns that we - the ones who seek out and enjoy fights - don't think the same way.
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Ignition SemperFi
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.01.30 04:30:00 -
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I for one am here to let your know karnus, that you do not have to worry... as I steal everything in a mission, you are free to shoot me as you please. |
Silent Sins
Deliciously Vicious
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:15:00 -
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Salvage flagging = more dead bears. 'nuff said.
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Petronous Fabel
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:47:00 -
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a possible solution would be to configure the salvager to work like the tractor, which cannot be activated on another player's wreck.
of course, this doesn't stop them from looting the item(s) you need to complete the mission or use the next gate. |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.30 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Petronous Fabel a possible solution would be to configure the salvager to work like the tractor, which cannot be activated on another player's wreck.
of course, this doesn't stop them from looting the item(s) you need to complete the mission or use the next gate.
Yes, let's remove content from the game.
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Shadow Lightbringer
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.30 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Silent Sins Salvage flagging = more dead bears. 'nuff said.
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Alia Xii
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission
You are about to be ninja'd!
Originally by: Karnus Solus
.....and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting.
You are currently being ninja'd - please hold the line.
Originally by: Karnus Solus
our wrecks
Not _your wrecks_ they are public domain, just like trash and real wrecks at sea.
Originally by: Karnus Solus
He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks.
Shame... I would have accepted the convo, and then taunted you mercilessly.
Originally by: Karnus Solus
He didnŠt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnŠt a thing we could do about it as itŠs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.
Smart guy, he's knows his stuff. It's not stealing, see previous quote.
Originally by: Karnus Solus
Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner.
Get a night time job too!
Originally by: Karnus Solus
I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not, but CCP if you are listening, PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!
Why? You just need to take more simple precautions. If you don't know what I'm talking about then please send me all your stuff.
Originally by: Karnus Solus
Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canŠt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks)
Isn't life a *****? But consider this also - you can easily run another L4, and you've just provided this guy with _his_ income. Think of it as charity work and doing your bit to help others. After all, he was only in a frigate and there were 3 of you in nice big ships - be friendly, where's your generosity?
PS - Mission runners who shoot back are the best type, because you can then warp in your PvP setup gang and gank a PvE setup... so shoot back, go on, I dare ya! |
Alia Xii
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Petronous Fabel a possible solution would be to configure the salvager to work like the tractor, which cannot be activated on another player's wreck.
of course, this doesn't stop them from looting the item(s) you need to complete the mission or use the next gate.
Get out! |
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Blackjack Turner
Caldari Inverted Awareness
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:50:00 -
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See salvager? Shoot yer wrecks!! You still get bounties and LP's, he gets nada. |
Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.01.30 12:05:00 -
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Why don't you like carebears?
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.30 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Leiara Knight Why don't you like carebears?
I don't generally dislike carebears - I was one of them for the first 9 months.
However, it's useless complaining about game mechanics that you do not like. I'm sure it was not a mistake on CCP's side, not to give kill rights for salvaging your wrecks.
The next request will be to have dedicated pvp servers, then getting your ship and pod back when you are killed and finally CCP will have to deal with people who want to have orks and elves in this game instead of spaceships.
If you don't want to drive a sports car because the hard suspension hurts your back, then get a limousine.
I.e. GB2WOW.
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Jint Hikaru
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.01.30 12:27:00 -
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To the OP....
Do you actually know what the word 'salvage' means. Have you looked it up before coming here crying like a little girl who lost her dolly.
Try dictionary.com
Here I have quoted a section from Maritime Law for you -
Quote: A derelict-a vessel found entirely deserted or abandoned without hope or intention of recovery-is, however, fair game for anyone who comes across it.
There are many ways to avoid having the salvage taken before someone else legaly yoinks it....
Salvage as you kill Have a Salvage alt Assign a 'salvager' corp mate in your missioning group.
So wipe away those tears, blow your nose and reach into your trousers and see if you can find a pair!
This has been delt with. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.01.30 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Yes, let's remove content from the game.
The kind that is a bug or a feature?
Oh and nerf falcons/cloaks/regional gates/pulse/Ammar/-10enteringempire/highsecmissions/BoB
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sxndy
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.30 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru To the OP....
Do you actually know what the word 'salvage' means. Have you looked it up before coming here crying like a little girl who lost her dolly.
Try dictionary.com
Here I have quoted a section from Maritime Law for you -
Quote: A derelict-a vessel found entirely deserted or abandoned without hope or intention of recovery-is, however, fair game for anyone who comes across it.
There are many ways to avoid having the salvage taken before someone else legaly yoinks it....
Salvage as you kill Have a Salvage alt Assign a 'salvager' corp mate in your missioning group.
So wipe away those tears, blow your nose and reach into your trousers and see if you can find a pair!
This has been delt with.
Dad is that you?
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Malusae
Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Malusae on 30/01/2009 14:04:34 When this happens to me, I typically a couple things depending on the situation..
If I had no intention of salvaging this mission (some just...aren't worth it), then I leave them be and let them at it.
If I am going to salvage the mission I'll warp out and let the rats go after them momentarily. Warp back in, and do this a few times till either he gives up, or I get frustrated enough that I just pop the wrecks.
Although, tbh, this hardly ever happens to me anymore since I have an alt that salvages for me while I run missions. This whole game is about adapting to the latest change and the latest challenge.
Much safer that way.
Oh, and just to note, I think the current system is fine. At least it gives a little more excitement during these level 4's.
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Salliene
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Salliene on 30/01/2009 14:28:26 I recently bought a Vexor and stuck 5 T2 mediums and 5 T2 light drones on it. Now instead of mucking about with Ninja Salvage I just warp into missions and start popping anything cruiser size and above while you tank the aggro for me.
The wrecks are still counted as yours though, but don't worry - I bookmark everything and come back later and steal some of the loot too (100MN MWD are almost a million ISK), and salvage if it was an Angel mission.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:29:00 -
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This will be dealt with. I, too, am a gay Templar, the Amarr Fighter.
Wat |
Yashiri
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn In before Tchell.
Oh, wait.
My name is Tchell Dahhn and I approve of this message
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Sweeper23
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:38:00 -
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Just lock onto your own wrecks and blow them up before the Ninja gets to them, everyone looses but you still win.
Carebears rule, pirates drool and ninjas are just too damn ******ed to do there own missions, while they are beng a carebear in highsec... |
Dahin
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:39:00 -
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I clearly resent the friggie not stealing one of your cans. From the looks of it you'd shoot him, and then the party would commence.
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Flossing
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:43:00 -
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Hold on a minute. there was 3 of you in your mission. and none of you had the idea to fit a couple salvagers?
lol I don't think i need to say any more. |
Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Yashiri My name is Tchell Dahhn and I approve of this message
Don't ever do that again. I have no Alts.
Originally by: Sweeper23 Carebears rule, pirates drool and ninjas are just too damn ******ed to do there own missions, while they are beng a carebear in highsec...
You've got to be kidding me. While Ninjas and Pirates are busy playing with other players, you stupid Mission Runners are too busy playing with yourselves!
That's what Mission Running is, right? It's an MMO without the need to interact with other people.
"Look at me! I'm a big, bad Mission Runner, and I like to press a few keys, watch the non-existant NPC AI go 'poof' and collect my bounty. Oh, but don't talk to me, or even look at me, or I'll warp away and cry!"
Pft. You people make me sick.
We're Recruiting! |
Insa Rexion
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission in the 3rd room and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting. He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks.
was it me ?
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He didnŠt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnŠt a thing we could do about it as itŠs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.
how many ppl did you survey to come up with that little stat ?? oh wait, you mean most carebears ....
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Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner.
...and you are in error to assume it was intended as such. Salvaging was brought in as a mini profession in it's own right, not as a supplement to your already enormous income. The fact that you choose to engage in it too is a perk of mission running....not a right. Where exactly do you expect salvagers to find wrecks if not in missions, do you think CCP were advocating an increase in suicide ganks or noob can baiting to provide us with these wrecks ?
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I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not, but CCP if you are listening, PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!
That sounds like a great idea, I can't wait to see the outpouring of grief on these forums when the first MRs find their mission invaded by fleets of pvp fit ninjas ready to loot salvage and respond with force to any attempts by MRs to stop them. Of course the MRs will deny that they are responsible for the increased hazzard in mission running even tho they currently ask for salvage aggro over and over
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Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canŠt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks)
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that eve revolves around you and other f1 f8 jockeys, allow me to relieve you of your ignorance in this matter....IT DOES NOT
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Insa Rexion
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sweeper23 Just lock onto your own wrecks and blow them up before the Ninja gets to them, everyone looses but you still win.
ahh....awesome logic |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:32:00 -
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Excuse me as I am very new to the game.
In case you don't like someone grabbing the wrecks, can't you just say your 2 friends to bump the guy forever and you salvage or even kill the wreck in his face? |
Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus
Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canŠt touch them is the most ridiculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasitic scum. (then salvage their wrecks)
Yes, I endorse this. Give the mission runners the right to blow the living bejesus out of those dastardly wreak salvage stealing people. If it's good enough for the miners and their cans then it should be good enough for the mission runners and their wreaks!
I also say we should nerf that despicable and dastardly Falcon.
************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Cadaemon
Return To Sender
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner.
Originally by: CCP Prism X If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to hi-sec increase mission grinding any further.
Source
Poor mission bear
Also...
Originally by: Karnus Solus Sitting there working hard to kill things
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one
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low26
Caldari Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2009.01.30 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to hi-sec increase mission grinding any further.
This^ They are NOT your wrecks according to CCP. Don't worry little carebear I'll come salvage your mission and I promise to loot your wreck too so you can shoot me
Please feel free to shoot at me in your CNR when I go blinky |
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Riedle
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Posted - 2009.01.30 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission in the 3rd room and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting. He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks. He didnŠt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnŠt a thing we could do about it as itŠs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.
Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner. I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not, but CCP if you are listening, PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!
Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canŠt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks)
Hey, i think this was me! lol, one of your guys aggroed me hoping I would fight back, but he got popped by concord so I salvaged him too. haha
classic.
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Malusae
Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum
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Posted - 2009.01.30 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Hey, i think this was me! lol, one of your guys aggroed me hoping I would fight back, but he got popped by concord so I salvaged him too. haha
classic.
Out of curiosity how many people do this to you?
Silly carebears that don't know anything about agression rules.
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RevJim
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.30 18:29:00 -
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I am a carebear at heart, I've done 0.0, I've been a merc, I tried mining (for a few minutes till I fell asleep) but always return to missions.
I am currently running lvl4's to gain isk (being a merc costs too much money) I'll do this for a while, till I get so bored I 'have' to change to something else.
When a salvage thief warps into my missions I tend to ignore them, considering the number of lvl4's I do I consider the odd bit of mission salvage lost to a thief an occupational hazard.
However, if they steal loot and flash red, I almost reflexively shoot them. According to my combat log 7 kills for zero losses over the past few weeks. There is a little bit of thinking involved, as they could have friends with pvp ships nearby.
As for the idea wrecks should be flaggable, I think it's a bad idea. Eve is suppposed to a slightly dangerous place.
As for the original poster...
I smell a salvage thief alt.
RevJim
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr Metal Machine
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Posted - 2009.01.30 18:31:00 -
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Yes, The GMs should definitely do something.....like this for example
I wish I was a 3ft doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.01.30 18:38:00 -
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had this happen a few times. my response is to just finish killing whatever npc's are about and then to methodically blow up any of the wrecks the thief approaches closely enough to activate a salvager on.
the trick is to make sure he is actually activating his salvager on the wreck before it pops. this maximizes his frustration. the smack from the loser is pretty priceless too.
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Lady Aja
Caldari Hannibals Pirates Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.01.30 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission in the 3rd room and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting. He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks. He didnŠt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnŠt a thing we could do about it as itŠs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS NOT stealing.
Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any ninja salvager. I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not.
Fixed... |
Salliene
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.30 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar had this happen a few times. my response is to just finish killing whatever npc's are about and then to methodically blow up any of the wrecks the thief approaches closely enough to activate a salvager on.
the trick is to make sure he is actually activating his salvager on the wreck before it pops. this maximizes his frustration. the smack from the loser is pretty priceless too.
If it took more than 60 seconds to warp away, probe, and be in the next mission salvaging THOSE wrecks then it might be frustrating, but alas, game is (once again) on the side of the "bad guys".
I love it when people start popping wrecks, then it becomes a game. If there are a bunch of wrecks clustered together then we battle it out over whether he chooses to pop the one I am about to salvage or if I got lucky and chose the wreck he wasn't targetting at the time.
Even better is when they are salvaging their own stuff and it becomes a race. The advantage is on the mission runner since they can tractor their own wrecks. Following a wreck that someone else is tractoring and then seeing that beautiful "You have successfully salvaged the wreck" or whatever is AWESOME.
I've only been doing this a week, but out of all the missions I have invaded, only one of them started popping wrecks on me, and when he saw that I wasn't going away, he stopped.
So all the little "solutions" that mission runners can come up with to stop salvage "theft" won't work in the long run.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 30/01/2009 18:52:40
Originally by: Ehranavaar the trick is to make sure he is actually activating his salvager on the wreck before it pops. this maximizes his frustration. the smack from the loser is pretty priceless too.
You must be doing this with NPC Salvagers. Everybody in our Corporation laugh at Mission Runners who do this.
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Gazur
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:09:00 -
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Quote: Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canŠt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far.
Inviting you to come to low-sec to do your missions. Would solve all your current "problems". ;)
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Riedle
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Malusae
Originally by: Riedle
Hey, i think this was me! lol, one of your guys aggroed me hoping I would fight back, but he got popped by concord so I salvaged him too. haha
classic.
Out of curiosity how many people do this to you?
Silly carebears that don't know anything about agression rules.
That was the only time so far. I hope it happens more because it was funny as hell. haha |
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Riedle
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar had this happen a few times. my response is to just finish killing whatever npc's are about and then to methodically blow up any of the wrecks the thief approaches closely enough to activate a salvager on.
the trick is to make sure he is actually activating his salvager on the wreck before it pops. this maximizes his frustration. the smack from the loser is pretty priceless too.
Really, cause I intentionally approach ALL the wrecks when people do this and grin watching them 'blow up all their own' wrecks.
I guess we are just two giggling fools then ;) |
Gin G
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:30:00 -
[52]
I am going to give you some good advice now.
Suck it up and live with it.
OR
Learn to use scan probes and go salvage other peoples missions to make uop for your lost salvage.
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Silent Sins
Deliciously Vicious
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:00:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Silent Sins Salvage flagging = more dead bears. 'nuff said.
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Joshua M
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Posted - 2009.01.30 22:01:00 -
[54]
You should bring a salvage vessel or at least fit a module. Clean up after yourself before the next room.
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Willy Pete
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 22:01:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 30/01/2009 18:52:40
Originally by: Ehranavaar the trick is to make sure he is actually activating his salvager on the wreck before it pops. this maximizes his frustration. the smack from the loser is pretty priceless too.
You must be doing this with NPC Salvagers. Everybody in our Corporation laugh at Mission Runners who do this.
This.
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Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:14:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv The OP's thinking is most likely that if ninja salvagers will get flagged, they will avoid ninjaing salvage. The "logic" being that, like the OP, the ninja is the kind that would rather avoid a fight.
Of course, the carebear in Eve learns that we - the ones who seek out and enjoy fights - don't think the same way.
Oh yes, they're seeking out a fight, they enjoy them and they want the aggro, that's why they... just salvage the wreck and, er... don't steal the loot...
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:29:00 -
[57]
I hope in the near future, wormholes will open up in carebear missions and suck them in. Not only would it be funny but it would stop them blowing up their own wrecks.
Its a win/win scenario. |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.31 00:15:00 -
[58]
CCP is still trying to get ingame flagging on people starting stupid threads on the same topic over and over.
meybe they'll work on the salvaging afterwards -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:08:00 -
[59]
Jokers, I hope CCP just remove all ships from the game and just leave us with pods to fly into stars --------------------------------------------
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Well done for pointing that out. Well done you. |
Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.01.31 12:36:00 -
[60]
IMHO if someone enters your mission and takes your loot you should shoot his stupid frigate and make him warp out. You can continue your mission then and if he comes back you can shoot him again and again and again.
Dont try to get him killed by NPC's by warping out, he is in a frigate, he's gonna warp out quickly and not gonna get killed.
BTW whats the system you are doing missions and what ship are you using?
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.31 14:19:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Stalina BTW whats the system you are doing missions and what ship are you using?
This.
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farfromarealalt
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:23:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
*lame self-justification rant*
You've got to be kidding me. While Pirates are busy playing with other players, you stupid Ninjas are too busy playing with yourselves!
That's what Ninja Salvaging is, right? It's an MMO without the need to interact with other people.
"Look at me! I'm a big, bad Ninja Salvager, and I like to press a few keys, watch the non-existant NPC AI Wrecks go 'poof' and collect my salvage. Oh, but because I have to do it near another active player, it somehow justifies me as participating more in the game universe than Mission Runners!"
Pft. You people make me sick.
*insert pre-lulz at usual 'post with your main or GTFO' chest-thumping e-peen waving BS here* |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:44:00 -
[63]
Originally by: farfromarealalt
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Pft. You people make me sick.
*insert pre-lulz at usual 'post with your main or GTFO' chest-thumping e-peen waving BS here*
So, out of curiosity,
Why aren't you posting with your main |
Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2009.01.31 17:16:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Excuse me as I am very new to the game.
In case you don't like someone grabbing the wrecks, can't you just say your 2 friends to bump the guy forever and you salvage or even kill the wreck in his face?
Not if he's faster than you.
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2009.01.31 17:23:00 -
[65]
Originally by: farfromarealalt That's what Ninja Salvaging is, right? It's an MMO without the need to interact with other people.
Cause ****ing you off isn't interacting?
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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farfromarealalt
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Posted - 2009.01.31 17:42:00 -
[66]
Please. Salvagers no more 'interact' with other players than a miner does when locking a laser onto an asteroid another miner is firing at. It's others who interact with them or not as they choose to do.
And really, calling them Ninja Salvagers is rather inappropriate. Let's call them what they are. Carebear Scavengers. Scavengers who prey upon their own.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.31 19:39:00 -
[67]
Originally by: farfromarealman Boo hoo.
Cry more. Your tears sustain me.
We're Recruiting! |
Jared D'Uroth
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Posted - 2009.01.31 19:49:00 -
[68]
Originally by: farfromarealalt Please. Salvagers no more 'interact' with other players than a miner does when locking a laser onto an asteroid another miner is firing at. It's others who interact with them or not as they choose to do.
And really, calling them Ninja Salvagers is rather inappropriate. Let's call them what they are. Carebear Scavengers. Scavengers who prey upon their own.
The problem is, you're starting off with the idea that the wreck is yours, just because the loot is.
YOU'RE WRONG.
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Le Poupon
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.01.31 20:07:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Le Poupon on 31/01/2009 20:09:03
Originally by: farfromarealalt Please. Salvagers no more 'interact' with other players than a miner does when locking a laser onto an asteroid another miner is firing at. It's others who interact with them or not as they choose to do.
I spell FONETIKALEE. Its still interaction mate. -------sig------------------------------------ Thing is I'm not acctualy an Alt Post like a butterfly Sting like a bee |
Karnus Solus
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Posted - 2009.01.31 22:31:00 -
[70]
All IŠm asking for is to be able to shoot people who steal my stuff, including my wrecks.
Who cares if he goes to get a bigger ship or his entire corp? My corp will be there too, and if we know that pvp is a possibility in missions, weŠll prepare for that. At least we have the oportunity to stop them doing it.
You just want to be able to keep taking stuff belonging to others without them being able to do anything about it... how about giving the rest of us the chance to be able to blow your heads off if you try it? I think thatŠs fair, donŠt you? |
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Karnus Solus
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Posted - 2009.01.31 22:36:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Ehranavaar had this happen a few times. my response is to just finish killing whatever npc's are about and then to methodically blow up any of the wrecks the thief approaches closely enough to activate a salvager on.
the trick is to make sure he is actually activating his salvager on the wreck before it pops. this maximizes his frustration. the smack from the loser is pretty priceless too.
hehe might do that thanks for the tip |
farfromarealalt
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Posted - 2009.01.31 23:30:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Generic "I can't think of a better arguement" response.
There, cleaned it up for you a bit.
Now, all insult sniping aside, let me say I really don't care about so-called ninja salvaging. It's a fair part of the game, just like high-sec mission running, gatecamping, NPC corps, canflipping, POS warfare and all the other things we do to each other(intentional or not)in EvE that make us come on the forums and extoll the virtue of EvE's sandbox nature out of one corner of our mouths and complain about the parts of it we don't like from the other.
That's what it all comes down to. People play EvE in a way you don't like, but you can play EvE in a way that messes with the way they like. Fair is fair. So keep on running those highsec Missions, folks! If you stopped, guys like Tchell would have to go out and get real jobs in EvE. |
farfromarealalt
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Posted - 2009.01.31 23:41:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Karnus Solus
EDIT: on a side note, how does this make me a bear? You just donŠt want this nice comfortable `professionŠ of yours to incur some risk. You know fully well that when you do this, you canŠt be hurt by other players without concord jumping in to save you. If I was able to at least shoot you, win or lose, then fair play to you. There is no risk for people who do this at all... save the rats themselves, but thatŠs hardly an issue.
And just to show I'm a fair-minded sort in lampooning peoples' silly opinions...
EDIT: on a side note, how does this make you a bear? I just donŠt want this nice comfortable `professionŠ of mine to incur some risk. I know fully well that when I do this, I canŠt be hurt by other players without concord jumping in to save me. If you were able to at least shoot me, win or lose, then fair play to me. There is no risk for people who do this at all... save the rats themselves, but thatŠs hardly an issue.
Sorry OP, but I could not help flipping it back around and making it mostly fit. |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.01 00:00:00 -
[74]
Originally by: RedSplat So, out of curiosity,
Why aren't you posting with your main
This question but to all of C&P as well.
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Ignition SemperFi
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.02.01 00:16:00 -
[75]
main reporting ;-p ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun.
Quote:
They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
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farfromarealalt
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Posted - 2009.02.01 00:20:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Originally by: RedSplat So, out of curiosity,
Why aren't you posting with your main
This question but to all of C&P as well.
Speaking for meself, it's more fun when I know there are no consequences. I think that's well within the EvE mentality, personally.
I imagine most others will have a variation on that sentiment, but I'll let them post. Would Not Do to speak out of turn.
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farfromarealalt
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Posted - 2009.02.01 00:27:00 -
[77]
Edited by: farfromarealalt on 01/02/2009 00:34:52
Originally by: Jared D'Uroth
The problem is, you're starting off with the idea that the wreck is yours, just because the loot is.
YOU'RE WRONG.
Oh, yeah, almost forgot.
The problem is, you're starting off with the idea that I think the wreck is mine, just because the loot is.
YOU'RE--(sigh. Do I REALLY have to finish this? Hmm...considering the apparent IQ of some posters around here, better safe than sorry)WRONG. |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.01 00:58:00 -
[78]
Originally by: farfromarealalt
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Originally by: RedSplat So, out of curiosity,
Why aren't you posting with your main
This question but to all of C&P as well.
Speaking for meself, it's more fun when I know there are no consequences. I think that's well within the EvE mentality, personally.
I imagine most others will have a variation on that sentiment, but I'll let them post. Would Not Do to speak out of turn.
Yes, EVE is all about your actions having no consequences whatsoever. Next. |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.01 01:07:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Yes, EVE is all about your actions having no consequences whatsoever. Next.
I thought that was fun at first, but then I realised chasing people who wardecced me around in my velator even more fun.
Consequences ftw --------------------------------------------
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Well done for pointing that out. Well done you. |
Kaya Divine
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.01 02:02:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Karnus Solus Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks)
Just warpout. Make yourself a cup of tea, return...and there is a chance when you return that you will see his or hers wreck...repeat if necessary.
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.01 06:56:00 -
[81]
I've always thought that while missions were still active, wrecks inside the pockets should be flagged to the owner and could not be salvaged by other people.
But after the mission is turned and the area isnt deadspace anymore anyone could salvage.
To do this though they'ld have to fix probes to be able to scan for wrecks. Salvaging could still be a profession, as there are alot of people who dont salvage, but the person who owns the mission would still get first crack at the wrecks if they wanted them. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.01 08:03:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Karnus Solus Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission in the 3rd room and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting. He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks. He didnŠt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnŠt a thing we could do about it as itŠs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.
Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner. I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not, but CCP if you are listening, PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!
Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canŠt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks)
If you were a real man and missioned in lowsec, you could shoot anyone you like, any time you like.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Silent Sins
Deliciously Vicious
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Posted - 2009.02.01 09:04:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Originally by: RedSplat So, out of curiosity,
Why aren't you posting with your main
This question but to all of C&P as well.
My main is too pretty for C&P.
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Rico Minali
Gallente Sons Of 0din Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.01 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rico Minali on 01/02/2009 10:47:59 I agree with the original poster, salvaging SHOULD flag you up, then when you blow up my T1 frigate alt, me and my mates warp in and we actually get some pvp, maybe pick up your faction/officer mods from your faction mission boat (hopefully a gang of you for even more loot) and everyone goes home happy!
This way everyone gets exactly what they asked for and there wont be any more complaining, ever, about anything.
True story.
Ive never ninja salvaged in my life, but if this comes in I will definitely start! Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.02.01 11:19:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Rico Minali Ive never ninja salvaged in my life, but if this comes in I will definitely start!
Yeah! But if only there was a way all these people who really honestly want to get flagged could do it already, like, I don't know, taking the loot?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.01 11:57:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Salliene Edited by: Salliene on 30/01/2009 14:28:26 I recently bought a Vexor and stuck 5 T2 mediums and 5 T2 light drones on it. Now instead of mucking about with Ninja Salvage I just warp into missions and start popping anything cruiser size and above while you tank the aggro for me.
The wrecks are still counted as yours though, but don't worry - I bookmark everything and come back later and steal some of the loot too (100MN MWD are almost a million ISK), and salvage if it was an Angel mission.
Better yet, put your drones on whatever battleship the mission runner is shooting. You've got a pretty good chance of getting the final blow in and therefore getting the bounty. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.01 12:00:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Excuse me as I am very new to the game.
In case you don't like someone grabbing the wrecks, can't you just say your 2 friends to bump the guy forever and you salvage or even kill the wreck in his face?
Asking mission runners to make any effort whatsoever to protect themselves or secure what is "rightfully" theirs makes you worse than a certain mad unitesticled Austrian dictator. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.01 12:08:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Karnus Solus
EDIT: on a side note, how does this make me a bear?
Because you're making good ISK in an almost 100% safe environment, and then complaining that you, from your position of 100% safety, aren't allowed to shoot someone who's annoying you.
Go mission in lo-sec or rat in 0.0, and then you can shoot anyone at all, "just because".
PS: I do hi-sec missions myself when I need a little ISK, but I don't kid myself that it's a profession that's anything other than broken when it comes to risk/reward. Tchell's lot and those others like him go a very very small way to redressing the balance. As it is, for most missions, it's actually better ISK/Hr to just turn it in and get another one than it is to salvage. Just saying.
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.02.01 12:13:00 -
[89]
In all honesty the OP actually made a polite and whine free request so all the "STFU GB2WOW" sort of comments on the original post itself don't make a lot of sense. Not to say I agree with him.
It's actually quite interesting how low sec is in so many regards safer than high sec, for so many forms of carebearing. Mostly because majority think high sec is safe and are scared to death to see how well would they do out in the "harsh reality" of low sec where you actually got to be careful to survive, not just whine about concord response time on forums when one of 600 people in local randomly smartbombs you. Thus low sec is mostly desert-like area, and quite safe if you know what you're doing.
Of course stuff happens and danger is always there, but I've been mission running for a year or so in several low sec systems and yet have to learn what the HELL a ninja salvager is.
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Lacri 13
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Posted - 2009.02.01 22:03:00 -
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I do not know what system you are in the solar system but Lustrevik is a real chaos. I did and petitions and I attached the picture and steal when they say that everything is ok. True nor staying so much to play and I thought the option to steal it. But I can not create any inconvenience to others. Wait and hope that our complaints will not remain without echo. I would hate to give that much time I invested in this game and I like to do missions. |
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Yashiri
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Posted - 2009.02.01 22:39:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Yashiri My name is Tchell Dahhn and I approve of this message
Don't ever do that again. I have no Alts.
sorry dude I couldn't help it, yes to clarify I'm not an alt.
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Asuna Endorine
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Posted - 2009.02.02 00:32:00 -
[92]
i really hope i'm seeing a vocal minority here, but i see a LOT more whining and immaturity from pirates then carebears
this thread is a great example, he comes, and politely comes up with what he thinks is an issue, he may be wrong, but who exactly does the following page of insults with no actual responce help here?
btw, orginal poster, blow up your own wrecks when you see people like that, then you can either laugh, as you waste his time, or more likely, he leaves, and then you can loot in peace
eve is a game where you choose your own path, going to low sec or pvp is NOT a natural progression for EVERYONE, and noone is lame for not joining you and get ganked because they will predictably suck at pvp some people play eve to relax over a long nice high sec mining op, and why exactly is that wrong? if eve was just about pvp, like some people seem to think, there would be no high sec.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.02 00:45:00 -
[93]
Edited by: RedSplat on 02/02/2009 00:46:38
Originally by: Asuna Endorine
/emote prepares to be flamed
OP is an incendiary post or rather his choice of language is and asks questions on issues that have been answered and addressed many times previously in extensive detail.
I guess people are just sick of the same standard whines on the same topics by posters that cant be bothered to research their questions and instead crud up C&P.
EDIT: I just read OP again, factor in poor understanding of the environment current game mechanics support as well, as far as qualities liable to make people flame his post.
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Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.02.02 00:48:00 -
[94]
this is like can fliping victims complaining. Get over it!!! Learn game mechanics and act in consequence.
There is always a risk.
Otherwise, go back to WoW. |
Djan Anaplian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.02 01:59:00 -
[95]
A N A L INVASION |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.02.02 02:17:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Djan Anaplian A N A L INVASION
This thread is not your wishlist |
Djan Anaplian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.02 02:30:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Djan Anaplian A N A L INVASION
This thread is not your wishlist
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5yndr0m3
Caldari Letiferi Praedones Wong Thong Crew
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Posted - 2009.02.02 08:49:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Karnus Solus blah blah blah blah i dont know who to use the search feature in the upper right hand corner of the forum blah blah blah blah
Sometimes I wish I wast at -10. You seem like a good person to harass during your precious mission running.
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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.02 14:10:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Asuna Endorine btw, orginal poster, blow up your own wrecks when you see people like that, then you can either laugh, as you waste his time, or more likely, he leaves, and then you can loot in peace
I might be unique in this regard, but I highly doubt it. When a bear starts popping his own wrecks to "teach me a lesson", I can't but help and laugh at their flawed logic. I make it a point to fly to each and every wreck to make sure that they blow them all up.
What most bears fail to understand is that I play this game for the interactions with others. Making isk is secondary to that. If I'm in your mission and you get all butt-hurt and angry over it, you instantly get ALL my attention because interacting with you is what is most fun for me.
To contrast, bears only wish to be left alone in their solo version of Eve. For them, success is making more isk to buy better gear to make more isk, ad infinitum. It's no wonder that they think popping their mission wrecks is in some way harming you.
Originally by: Asuna Endorine if eve was just about pvp, like some people seem to think, there would be no high sec.
Are you assuming that high sec is a safe, PvP-free zone? Seriously? |
Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:40:00 -
[100]
Can I have your stuff? This will be delt with. Buff Amarr. More memes.
okay now that those are all out of the way, we have 2 gm posts saying this is not an issue. this can really go 2 ways for people like me. while you should not get agro at the very same time it would almost make it more convenient. we would be able to skip a step and not have to find a wreak with loot. while i may like that sometimes, its not as it should be. it makes no sense and the gm's have explicitly stated thats not how its supposed to work. plus sometimes its fun to get a bear emoraging in local when he cant shoot. that kind of entertainment has price no tag.
remember when jet cans didnt give agro? remember how people cried, and wanted agression? notice how stealing is now one of the best and easiest ways to get agro? sometimes to kill people? think for a second you tard what your asking for before you ask for something you do not actually want. lets not be too quick to forget the 'nano' nerf that brought speed down but also hampered missiles. you have to use that gray crap between your ears and think think think about what you really want or your just going to end up crying later on. "MUH MISSILES R BORKED!!!"
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:46:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux think think think about what you really want or your just going to end up crying later on. "MUH MISSILES R BORKED!!!"
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.02 15:47:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux Can I have your stuff? This will be delt with. Buff Amarr. More memes.
Carebear Tears Fuel My ShipÖ
We're Recruiting! |
Mithos Victus
Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.02 16:12:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Mithos Victus on 02/02/2009 16:14:18 I have to admit, the first few times I had a ninja zip into my L4s last summer I was quite peeved. Here was this scrubby fool in a T1 probe ship salvaging my hard earned wrecks! WTF right?
Well here's the thing, most veteran mission runners will tell ya, there comes a certain point where salvaging a mission takes longer than completing another one, even with two accounts, one completing the mission, another salvaging as you go. Depends on the mission of course.
Let's face it, any salvage that gets left behind and another salvager picks up, goes straight into the economy, benefitting us all in the way of parts for T2 construction, salvage materials for production, and refined minerals again for production.
And those ninjas who try to bait you by flipping a wreck while their fleet waits at a safe spot to warp in and pound on you, well let's face it, low security space is a crap shoot these days, it was before the speed nerf, now it's even worse.
I run through low all the time in all sorts of ships, you think I ever get caught? Last time I got caught was my own **** fault for not fitting stabs on my BS and checking starmap one the way OUT of low back into Empire. No one to blame but myself.
Half these guys, could go to low security, and spend hours waiting for targets that will never arrive. So they instead probe your mission out, flip a wreck, and cross their fingers that you fire on them and give them a moment of entertainment value.
Nothing is wrong with any of the above, in fact, after weeks and months of listening to both sides, I'm starting to resent all the people clamoring for nerfs on can flipping because it's the one guaranteed way of getting a non-dec fight in Empire. If they nerf can flippin, all those flippers are just going to start deccing, and there's already enough Empire deccers IMO, more would just be overkill.
Empire is balanced for the most part, there needs to be less incentive to stay there, and more to venture into low/null but Empire itself is fine. In fact, nerfing ninja salvagers or flippers would imbalance the game IMO. _______________________________________________
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.02.02 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sol'Kanar I might be unique in this regard, but I highly doubt it. When a bear starts popping his own wrecks to "teach me a lesson", I can't but help and laugh at their flawed logic. I make it a point to fly to each and every wreck to make sure that they blow them all up.
What most bears fail to understand is that I play this game for the interactions with others. Making isk is secondary to that. If I'm in your mission and you get all butt-hurt and angry over it, you instantly get ALL my attention because interacting with you is what is most fun for me.
I can attest to this. Sol will sit in your mission and watch you destroy all your wreaks. I have seen him do it. You have just destroyed a lot of isk and you have taken time (wasted your time?) just to make sure Sol would not get what you think are your wreaks. Sol loves it when you care enough to destroy the wreaks.
Me, I have a short attention span. You start destroying the wreaks and I will just go find another mission runner to interact with in this MMO.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:00:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Mithos Victus Crenated Wall of Text removed
Smart man that
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Fo RumChar
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:04:00 -
[106]
This is why a pilot needs kill rights on anyone that invades a mission to loot. ...........................................
THE INTERNET |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:40:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Fo RumChar This is why a pilot needs kill rights on anyone that invades a mission to loot.
Not a smart man. |
Revonanist
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Posted - 2009.02.02 18:54:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
What most bears fail to understand is that I play this game for the interactions with others. Making isk is secondary to that. If I'm in your mission and you get all butt-hurt and angry over it, you instantly get ALL my attention because interacting with you is what is most fun for me.
To contrast, bears only wish to be left alone in their solo version of Eve. For them, success is making more isk to buy better gear to make more isk, ad infinitum. It's no wonder that they think popping their mission wrecks is in some way harming you.
Let me get this straight, you like to interact with others by soliciting negative attention?
If you think about this, it's very very sad. Like children who behave extremely badly in order to get attention, even negative attention. The children usually become psychologically damaged adults. "Any attention is better than no attention at all." is the phrase that springs to mind.
I respectfully ask that you seek professional treatment for this mental disorder.
On the subject of wrecks, they belong to nobody (only the loot belongs to the missioner, for some reason I can't quite fathom), salvage thieves are an occupational hazard nothing more, much like the NPC's when mining, I doubt they make as much isk per hour as a dedicated mission runner and only do it for the 'lulz' (whatever the hell that means).
o/
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.02 19:07:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Revonanist Let me get this straight, you like to interact with others by soliciting negative attention?
/me looks around. Are you lost? Do you know where you parents are, little boy? Now get in the van. I have candy.
Originally by: Revonanist (only the loot belongs to the missioner, for some reason I can't quite fathom)
QFT, since you're about as deep as a puddle.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.02 19:51:00 -
[110]
I ate a carebear once, I shat skittles for a week.
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Milla Jovo
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:06:00 -
[111]
To the Ninga salvagers.... Half of the time I run missions I leave the salvage. I only once had a ninja salvager come into a mission. If u want to salvage a mission speak up in local chat. I'm sure there would be some one to let u salvage a mission, I would let u salvage and loot some of my missions. That prolly takes the fun out of it though.
Some times it just takes to long and I got better things to do. I mostly need the standing increase and also look for good mission ore belts anyways, and I still get the bounties and mission reward.
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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:20:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Revonanist Let me get this straight, you like to interact with others by soliciting negative attention?
I like to interact with others. Watching people get truly upset in a video game is indeed entertaining. Grown adults throwing tantrums never seems to get old.
Originally by: Revonanist If you think about this, it's very very sad. Like children who behave extremely badly in order to get attention, even negative attention. The children usually become psychologically damaged adults. "Any attention is better than no attention at all." is the phrase that springs to mind.
I respectfully ask that you seek professional treatment for this mental disorder.
lol, Internet Psychologist. You should train your massive intellect on those who actually pitch a fit over the happenings in video games.
Originally by: Revonanist On the subject of wrecks, they belong to nobody (only the loot belongs to the missioner, for some reason I can't quite fathom), salvage thieves are an occupational hazard nothing more, much like the NPC's when mining, I doubt they make as much isk per hour as a dedicated mission runner and only do it for the 'lulz' (whatever the hell that means).
o/
I'm perfectly good with the act of salvaging making me blink red to you - hell, I'd prefer it. Salvaging nets quite a lot more isk than running missions. But you keep on thinking otherwise, mister smarty pants.
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:37:00 -
[113]
Originally by: RedSplat Edited by: RedSplat on 02/02/2009 00:46:38
Originally by: Asuna Endorine
/emote prepares to be flamed
OP is an incendiary post or rather his choice of language is and asks questions on issues that have been answered and addressed many times previously in extensive detail.
I guess people are just sick of the same standard whines on the same topics by posters that cant be bothered to research their questions and instead crud up C&P.
EDIT: I just read OP again, factor in poor understanding of the environment current game mechanics support as well, as far as qualities liable to make people flame his post.
THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Revonanist
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:40:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Revonanist Let me get this straight, you like to interact with others by soliciting negative attention?
/me looks around. Are you lost? Do you know where you parents are, little boy? Now get in the van. I have candy.
Originally by: Revonanist (only the loot belongs to the missioner, for some reason I can't quite fathom)
QFT, since you're about as deep as a puddle.
Firstly, I was trying (and failing apparently) to imply that I do not think making carebears cry is exactly interacting with others, a little like stealing an old ladies handbag and running away constitutes interacting. I suppose if you are being pedantic, it could be classed as interacting. My personal preference for interacting is for positive outcomes, such as co-operating with others for greater reward, or PvP (in most of it's forms), or any number of things rather than upsetting some poor carebear who takes his internet spaceship game rather too seriously.
And the loot thing... I think the loot too should belong to no-one and be freely taken, like salvage is now. Missioning is too 'safe' for my tastes.
And yep, shallow, that's me. Especially in an internet spaceship game ;)
I suspect you get frustrated when a mission runner does not react to you, and for me (if I ran missions) would be amusing, waiting for the taunts. All because the child wants tears... see what I did there.
o/
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:46:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Revonanist I suspect you get frustrated when a mission runner does not react to you, and for me (if I ran missions) would be amusing, waiting for the taunts. All because the child wants tears... see what I did there.
I see what you did there. (It's called 'failing'.)
Believe me, if someone doesn't react to me, then that's all well and good. There are many, many more targets that will, and I just move on to them once I'm done.
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Revonanist
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Posted - 2009.02.02 20:51:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
lol, Internet Psychologist. You should train your massive intellect on those who actually pitch a fit over the happenings in video games.
I'm perfectly good with the act of salvaging making me blink red to you - hell, I'd prefer it. Salvaging nets quite a lot more isk than running missions. But you keep on thinking otherwise, mister smarty pants.
I agree, people getting upset over the pixels is a bit strange. Massive intellect? Hardly, just a spellchecker and some free time to waste, getting someone upset on the internet ;)
So, you're saying salvage pays? I only suspected it wasn't too profitable, due to time needed to collect decent salvage. I may have to look into this method of gaining isk. (minus the smack).
o/
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Revonanist
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Posted - 2009.02.02 21:04:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
I see what you did there. (It's called 'failing'.)
Believe me, if someone doesn't react to me, then that's all well and good. There are many, many more targets that will, and I just move on to them once I'm done.
LOL!!
put 'foot' 'self' and 'shoot' into a sentence.
But I enjoy your banter.
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Robinh66
Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.02 21:13:00 -
[118]
Yeah nerf falcons.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.02 21:16:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Revonanist But I enjoy your banter.
o7
Always nice to meet a fan.
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.03 00:58:00 -
[120]
We need a new subforum for this kind of threads... |
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.03 01:52:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Feilamya We need a new subforum for this kind of threads...
"Resolved Issues"?
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Anton Finn
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Posted - 2009.02.03 02:41:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Anton Finn on 03/02/2009 02:43:16 Edited by: Anton Finn on 03/02/2009 02:42:07 I run L4 missions frequently, have never ninja-salvaged, and fully endorse the current system.
There is very little risk in running missions in high-sec. The risk of an 'invasion' by salvagers spices it up a bit.
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Terra Mikael
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.03 06:01:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Karnus Solus there wasnŠt a thing we could do about it as itŠs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.
Like how she says no, but she really means yesh, so you do it, but then ur dad says you shouldn't do that to your sister, because even if it is technically okay, in the eyes of most people it IS incest?
Am i doing this rite?
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Indiference
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.02.03 07:45:00 -
[124]
Personally, I don't mind the ninja salvager/looter hell if they ask I'll gang them up so that they don't have to use a probe. Just ask man it's no problem promise.
But then that would'nt be exiting enough for you. It's the tease that keeps your epeen going.
carebear stroking their wallets pirates stroking their epeen
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Grishnarg
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.03 10:57:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
Originally by: Feilamya We need a new subforum for this kind of threads...
"Resolved Issues"?
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Dax Ee'nnach
Caldari KAGES LAST CHANCERS Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.02.03 13:18:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Revonanist Let me get this straight, you like to interact with others by soliciting negative attention?
If you think about this, it's very very sad. Like children who behave extremely badly in order to get attention, even negative attention. The children usually become psychologically damaged adults. "Any attention is better than no attention at all." is the phrase that springs to mind.
I respectfully ask that you seek professional treatment for this mental disorder.
Let me get this straight, you are trying to psychoanalyze someone because the way he plays his internet spaceship games is different then the way you play your internet spaceship games? and from such an "internet spaceship game analysis" you reccommend professional treatment? riiiight, hope that's working for you, napolean. |
State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.03 23:33:00 -
[127]
shesh, I've said it before and I'll say it again, go on and salv and loot my missions, I couldn't care less. By the time they are done doing it I'm 40-50M deep into another mission, with another 5K+ in LPs.
So really, just do it, and leave it :P
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.04 00:30:00 -
[128]
Originally by: State Security By the time they are done doing it I'm 40-50M deep into another mission, with another 5K+ in LPs.
Then they're doing it wrong. I'm usually waiting on you (Mission Runners, that is, not you, personally) to finally (!) blow that final BS, since I've cleared the field effectively long before you've handed in your Mission.
But, then again, I am who I am.
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Deathifier
Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 00:54:00 -
[129]
Originally by: State Security shesh, I've said it before and I'll say it again, go on and salv and loot my missions, I couldn't care less. By the time they are done doing it I'm 40-50M deep into another mission, with another 5K+ in LPs.
So really, just do it, and leave it :P
Lol some exaggeration here tbqfh, even the best missions' bounties add up to 20 million at most, in fact more like 17-18 mil. Unless of course you're saying your mission boat is so pimpy-uber that you've done several missions in the time it takes a ninja to salvage some wrecks
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.04 01:08:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Deathifier Actually Tchell, does your corp operated at other hubs besides dodixie. Just wondering cos most of the missions here will be serpentis with mediocre salvage a lot of the time. Get your corp to operate some teams out of amarr hubs/minmatar hubs. The teary-bears will be more enraged when you start salvaging trit bars and melted caps galore :D
Very true.
We recognize that there are usually two types of Missions, those the drop better value in loot than the value of the salvage, and those that drop better value in the salvage than the value of the loot. Serpentis, for example, and "Mission Generic" wrecks (EoM Missions, etc.) are famous for crappy salvage, but the loot they drop is comparable, sometimes even twice more valuable than the 'good Missions' salvage, so those are the ones where I'll bring my 'looting' ship back for a nice haul.
Now, give me a nice "Worlds Collide", and I'm a happy, happy man... ...umm... Empress.
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Karnus Solus
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Posted - 2009.02.04 01:17:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Karnus Solus on 04/02/2009 01:26:27
Originally by: Dani SP this is like can fliping victims complaining. Get over it!!! Learn game mechanics and act in consequence.
IŠm aware of the game mechanics on this matter, I just donŠt agree with them.
Originally by: Dani SP There is always a risk.
Otherwise, go back to WoW.
Not sure how WoW comes into it exactly.
As for risk, doesnŠt the fact that I was merely asking for mission invading salvagers to flash red to indicate that I was game for some risk?
And let me get this straight... risk to you means someone might come into my mission and salvage the wrecks... sounds like bad luck to me, nothing to do with risk since I canŠt shoot them. Do you at least see where IŠm coming from now?
If they flashed red however... game on!
What are you afraid of? Missioners being able to do something to protect their assets? Sounds to me like YOU are afraid of a little risk, not me.
Also if there was a post about this prior to mine, could someone link it please? I was unable to find it.
Oh and ease up a little guys, there is no need to give yourselves hernias. IŠm trying to put forward my opinions and frustrations objectively. If you donŠt agree that my idea would work, at least show decency enough to another player to actually explain why you disagree. The old "stop crying" and "l2p" stuff doesnŠt help anyone to understand anything. |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.04 01:23:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Karnus Solus What are you afraid of? Missioners being able to do something to protect their assets?
Mission runners that can protect their assets already do. If salvaging made you flashy red then most runners would not only loose the salvage, but the loot and possibly their ships as well.
While that would be fun for about a week, im sure this board would get absolutely sick of "I lost my 2B Falcon to a pirate! Eve isnt fare!" posts.. |
Karnus Solus
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Posted - 2009.02.04 01:32:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Karnus Solus What are you afraid of? Missioners being able to do something to protect their assets?
Mission runners that can protect their assets already do. If salvaging made you flashy red then most runners would not only loose the salvage, but the loot and possibly their ships as well.
While that would be fun for about a week, im sure this board would get absolutely sick of "I lost my 2B Falcon to a pirate! Eve isnt fare!" posts..
sorry Lana, i tweaked the post a bit while you replied. as i said before, having the option to do something about it would be nice. if people dont want to lose their ships then itŠs simple; let them salvage all they want. |
State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.04 02:38:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Deathifier Edited by: Deathifier on 04/02/2009 00:56:09
Originally by: State Security shesh, I've said it before and I'll say it again, go on and salv and loot my missions, I couldn't care less. By the time they are done doing it I'm 40-50M deep into another mission, with another 5K+ in LPs.
So really, just do it, and leave it :P
Lol some exaggeration here tbqfh, even the best missions' bounties add up to 20 million at most, in fact more like 17-18 mil. Unless of course you're saying your mission boat is so pimpy-uber that you've done several missions in the time it takes a ninja to salvage some wrecks
Actually Tchell, does your corp operated at other hubs besides dodixie. Just wondering cos most of the missions here will be serpentis with mediocre salvage a lot of the time. Get your corp to operate some teams out of amarr hubs/minmatar hubs. The teary-bears will be more enraged when you start salvaging trit bars and melted caps galore :D
Not really, just have to have all the skills trained up and maxed out for Agents. Quality, bounty bonus, LP bonus, rewards bonus, ect. make ALL the diference in mission running. If you arn't earning like I said, you have some training to do. |
Jack Light
legion syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.04 02:45:00 -
[135]
This will be dealt with. |
Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.04 06:54:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Grishnarg
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
Originally by: Feilamya We need a new subforum for this kind of threads...
"Resolved Issues"?
HAHA, nice one
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Deathifier
Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 10:22:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Deathifier on 04/02/2009 10:24:36
Originally by: State Security
Originally by: Deathifier Edited by: Deathifier on 04/02/2009 00:56:09
Originally by: State Security shesh, I've said it before and I'll say it again, go on and salv and loot my missions, I couldn't care less. By the time they are done doing it I'm 40-50M deep into another mission, with another 5K+ in LPs.
So really, just do it, and leave it :P
Lol some exaggeration here tbqfh, even the best missions' bounties add up to 20 million at most, in fact more like 17-18 mil. Unless of course you're saying your mission boat is so pimpy-uber that you've done several missions in the time it takes a ninja to salvage some wrecks
Actually Tchell, does your corp operated at other hubs besides dodixie. Just wondering cos most of the missions here will be serpentis with mediocre salvage a lot of the time. Get your corp to operate some teams out of amarr hubs/minmatar hubs. The teary-bears will be more enraged when you start salvaging trit bars and melted caps galore :D
Not really, just have to have all the skills trained up and maxed out for Agents. Quality, bounty bonus, LP bonus, rewards bonus, ect. make ALL the diference in mission running. If you arn't earning like I said, you have some training to do.
lol, even with maxed out social skills you're not going to get 40-50 mil per hour from bounties/mission reward/LPs in high sec. Not unless you're somehow including loot/salvage in the above figure and are getting an insanely high isk-LP rate. (which would be pretty unlikely from empire agents)
Anyone else care to chime in on this??
Btw, I'm assuming you're not dual clienting when I say this.
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Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.02.04 11:28:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Lana Torrin If salvaging made you flashy red then most runners would not only loose the salvage, but the loot and possibly their ships as well.
No they wouldn't, because most ninja salvagers are like the kid in school who only picks fights when there's a teacher around to stop it. They're cowards who talk big - "You're lucky the teacher's here or I'd kick your ass! You're lucky salvaging wrecks doesn't make me flashy red, or I'd kick your ass!" Yeah, right.
If they wanted to get in a fight, they already could, by taking the loot. Most of them don't. Because they don't want to get in a fight. They want risk-free ISK with the added bonus of annoying people who can do little about it.
If salvaging made you flashy red, it would make very little difference to the mission runners. Anyone who wants to try and provoke a mission runner into attacking them already can.
It would make salvaging risky business though, for all salvagers, 'ninja' and otherwise. It's not hard to see what might happen then (think mission runners deliberately leaving wrecks to lure salvagers).
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State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.04 12:30:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Deathifier Edited by: Deathifier on 04/02/2009 10:24:36
Originally by: State Security
Originally by: Deathifier Edited by: Deathifier on 04/02/2009 00:56:09
Originally by: State Security shesh, I've said it before and I'll say it again, go on and salv and loot my missions, I couldn't care less. By the time they are done doing it I'm 40-50M deep into another mission, with another 5K+ in LPs.
So really, just do it, and leave it :P
Lol some exaggeration here tbqfh, even the best missions' bounties add up to 20 million at most, in fact more like 17-18 mil. Unless of course you're saying your mission boat is so pimpy-uber that you've done several missions in the time it takes a ninja to salvage some wrecks
Actually Tchell, does your corp operated at other hubs besides dodixie. Just wondering cos most of the missions here will be serpentis with mediocre salvage a lot of the time. Get your corp to operate some teams out of amarr hubs/minmatar hubs. The teary-bears will be more enraged when you start salvaging trit bars and melted caps galore :D
Not really, just have to have all the skills trained up and maxed out for Agents. Quality, bounty bonus, LP bonus, rewards bonus, ect. make ALL the diference in mission running. If you arn't earning like I said, you have some training to do.
lol, even with maxed out social skills you're not going to get 40-50 mil per hour from bounties/mission reward/LPs in high sec. Not unless you're somehow including loot/salvage in the above figure and are getting an insanely high isk-LP rate. (which would be pretty unlikely from empire agents)
Anyone else care to chime in on this??
Btw, I'm assuming you're not dual clienting when I say this.
Never assume :P And anyways I can make 20-30M just messing around in Deltole at the Contested Comet in an hour. You don't want to face the fact that Combat-Blitz (kills everything with bounties and mission critical enemies only) mission runners can make more then you do. lulz@ninjas |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.04 13:01:00 -
[140]
Mission in Lowsec/0.0, then you can shoot at Ninja Salvagers.
Whats that, its scary there? |
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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.04 13:39:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Morsus Argent No they wouldn't, because most ninja salvagers are like the kid in school who only picks fights when there's a teacher around to stop it. They're cowards who talk big - "You're lucky the teacher's here or I'd kick your ass! You're lucky salvaging wrecks doesn't make me flashy red, or I'd kick your ass!" Yeah, right.
If they wanted to get in a fight, they already could, by taking the loot. Most of them don't. Because they don't want to get in a fight. They want risk-free ISK with the added bonus of annoying people who can do little about it.
If salvaging made you flashy red, it would make very little difference to the mission runners. Anyone who wants to try and provoke a mission runner into attacking them already can.
Agreed. I go for loot because it makes me blinky. Salvage flagging only makes my job easier. So by all means, make salvaging flag you.
Originally by: Morsus Argent It would make salvaging risky business though, for all salvagers, 'ninja' and otherwise. It's not hard to see what might happen then (think mission runners deliberately leaving wrecks to lure salvagers).
You had me nodding in agreement until right here. If salvaging flagged people, I highly doubt that a mission runner would leave wrecks with the intent to pop a salvager. If you're looking for PvP through running missions, I think you're doing it wrong.
Now the flip side is that some salvagers/looters do what they do because of the off chance a mission runner may shoot at them (and in doing so, stand a chance to drop some tasty faction mods for salvager/looters).
The incentive is clear for salvagers/looters. What I don't see is an incentive for mission runners to seek out PvP through their own missions. This makes your argument of mission runners with intent to PvP utter bullocks.
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Liz Laser
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Posted - 2009.02.04 14:08:00 -
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Summary:
People should play the game the way I want them to. |
State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.04 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Originally by: Morsus Argent No they wouldn't, because most ninja salvagers are like the kid in school who only picks fights when there's a teacher around to stop it. They're cowards who talk big - "You're lucky the teacher's here or I'd kick your ass! You're lucky salvaging wrecks doesn't make me flashy red, or I'd kick your ass!" Yeah, right.
If they wanted to get in a fight, they already could, by taking the loot. Most of them don't. Because they don't want to get in a fight. They want risk-free ISK with the added bonus of annoying people who can do little about it.
If salvaging made you flashy red, it would make very little difference to the mission runners. Anyone who wants to try and provoke a mission runner into attacking them already can.
Agreed. I go for loot because it makes me blinky. Salvage flagging only makes my job easier. So by all means, make salvaging flag you.
Originally by: Morsus Argent It would make salvaging risky business though, for all salvagers, 'ninja' and otherwise. It's not hard to see what might happen then (think mission runners deliberately leaving wrecks to lure salvagers).
You had me nodding in agreement until right here. If salvaging flagged people, I highly doubt that a mission runner would leave wrecks with the intent to pop a salvager. If you're looking for PvP through running missions, I think you're doing it wrong.
Now the flip side is that some salvagers/looters do what they do because of the off chance a mission runner may shoot at them (and in doing so, stand a chance to drop some tasty faction mods for salvager/looters).
The incentive is clear for salvagers/looters. What I don't see is an incentive for mission runners to seek out PvP through their own missions. This makes your argument of mission runners with intent to PvP utter bullocks.
...wait, what?!
So people like you can bust missions with intent to PvP, but Mission runners won't set up ambushes for you so THEY get PvP? Quite a few Kills on the "Ambush Ships" say otherwise. Let me tell you, there is nothing and I mean NOTHING more funny then usen some idiots OWN "Ransom Chat" to ransom HIS arse back to him. |
Dotard
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.04 14:36:00 -
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Somehow I found myself coming out of a warp gate and surrounded by Ammar and Caldari warships. As if by automation i began targeting the frigates primarily and the cruisers secondary. Targets locked, open fire, release the drones. Watch the bad-guy's ships explode.
"This all seems too easy." I found myself thinking as I responded to the ships warning of failing shields and incoming damage to the armor by activating the repper. Cap slowly fading but semi-stable, "should hold just fine." I assure myself. Time seemed to slow itself as I actually found myself becoming bored watching the ships explode around me and my drones zipping off to lock their next target. The center Hobgoblin in the attack formation I found myself fixtated upon watching suddenly explodes in a hail of weapons fire from an attacking frigate. The loss of my drone actually entertained me.
With that group gone I enter the warp gate I found in front of me and wondered "I can't remember why the heck I'm here destroying swarms of ships and why the hell are they shooting me?!".
As i come out of warp I once again find myself surrounded by the same fleets just three times as many. "Release drones, target ships, fire at will, yawn." Then all hell broke loose.
Every ship in this deadspace has me locked and is unloading on me. My ship's armor is down to 25%. What?! 25%?? In my half asleep state I didn't activate the reppers! Active reppers! Activate reppers! Too late, reppers can't keep up with the incoming damage. I attempt to warp but I'm scrammed. "WHY AM I EVEN HERE?!" keeps screaming in my head as I contemplate the afterlife. Then I notice a blinking icon on my comms panel. "wtf? A misson? How the hell did I end up running a mission?!" I feel a sudden rush of heat and in my mind, I know it's my ship's destruction.
I fling out of bed flailing to the floor as I bolt upright from this nightmare in the familar surroundings of my quarters in Gulfodoni. Heart still pounding from the flight to the floor, I get up and turn off my Klaxon alarm clock and head into the shower.
Walking down the hallway to the cafeteria of Suddenly Ninja's headquarters, (they have ice cream on wednesdays!) I found myself thinking. "That dream reminded me of why I don't run missions. They bore me so much I find myself making fatal mistakes because I was fighting not only the enemies, but falling asleep! Jeez, it's easy to get killed when you're battling the sandman at the same time!"
"And why do mission runners do it? The agent payouts really don't amount to petty change. If the mission don't have bounties then the real payoff is in the salvage and loot. If it has bounties then hell, a ninja can still get a share of those."
"Yes, this is why I shall continue to invade and steal every piece of loot and salvage every wreck in every mission I can find. I'll park the prober and bring the BS to snatch mission bounties. Not knowing what the mission runner is going to do is what keeps it highly interesting for me. Will he ignore me? Is he calling some close-by corpmate gankers? Will he shoot me? Was he a victim before and now fits a scram? If he shoots me will he be dumb enough to stay right here in the same ship? If he warps off to get a gank ship can my salvager survive his alpha and escape to return in my gankship? Will his gankship be more uber than mine? Oh the many ways this could play out."
I get my ice-cream cone and head off to my prober to scan down yet another mission runner and more stuff to steal with my final thought on the matter;
"I make enough isk to stay in the game and it's damn fun too."
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.02.04 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: State Security So people like you can bust missions with intent to PvP, but Mission runners won't set up ambushes for you so THEY get PvP? Quite a few Kills on the "Ambush Ships" say otherwise. Let me tell you, there is nothing and I mean NOTHING more funny then usen some idiots OWN "Ransom Chat" to ransom HIS arse back to him.
Don't tell my corp mates but I sometimes run missions in out of the way systems. Has a mission runner since my main goal is to make isk it would be counter productive for me to bait mission salvagers during my missions. I would have to go to a mission hub, get a mission, fit my ship for PvP (which might not be good for tanking the mission), go to the mission area, drop drones (increases my chances of being found), wait a while (I'm bored already) for a mission invader to find me. This could take a long time. Time that I could have used to finish the mission.
Has a mission runner that aint no fun. I want to get there, do the mission, get my isk, and get another mission. But has a mission runner and PvPer that might be fun. There are not to many of those kind around in mission hubs. And you best have backup (other corpmates) in system with you. Cause if you are in a starter corp you will not last long baiting mission invaders who know what they are doing. It has been my experience that a majority of mission runners have no clue what they are doing when they are faced with a PvP situation. This might be a good way for them to learn the ins and outs of one portion of High Sec PvP.
By all means make salvaging a wreak a flagging offense. It's all good to me.
************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Sol'Kanar
Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: State Security ...wait, what?!
So people like you can bust missions with intent to PvP, but Mission runners won't set up ambushes for you so THEY get PvP?
Precisely. Look at it this way: What motivation does a mission runner have for running missions? Is it PvP? Or is it because they want to make some easy isk? I'll wait here for you to decide which is the most likely answer.
Originally by: State Security Quite a few Kills on the "Ambush Ships" say otherwise. Let me tell you, there is nothing and I mean NOTHING more funny then usen some idiots OWN "Ransom Chat" to ransom HIS arse back to him.
If you're running missions with the hope that someone crashes it, I hope you're a patient man. I also hope you realise you're in a very teeny, tiny minority. But good for you with your super awesome reverse-duplex ransoms. |
Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sol'Kanar You had me nodding in agreement until right here. If salvaging flagged people, I highly doubt that a mission runner would leave wrecks with the intent to pop a salvager.
See, the reasoning is basically this: Could it be done? Would doing it annoy someone?
If the answer to both of those questions is 'yes', someone will do it. I've been reading these forums for a while, you can't tell me that's not true.
I don't think it actually would be done much in missions though, unless it also became easier to scan for wrecks. |
Daoi Sith
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:46:00 -
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"and just carried on stealing our wrecks. He didnŠt loot the wrecks, just salvaged -"
does not compute
salvaging is not stealing, thats why its called salvaging and not stealing
oooh oooh since im on a roll
copyright infringment is not stealing, thats why its called copyright infringment
see how I did that ? |
Sol'Kanar
Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.04 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Morsus Argent
Originally by: Sol'Kanar You had me nodding in agreement until right here. If salvaging flagged people, I highly doubt that a mission runner would leave wrecks with the intent to pop a salvager.
See, the reasoning is basically this: Could it be done? Would doing it annoy someone?
If the answer to both of those questions is 'yes', someone will do it. I've been reading these forums for a while, you can't tell me that's not true.
I don't think it actually would be done much in missions though, unless it also became easier to scan for wrecks.
You're splitting hairs and pulling one sentence from my post out of context. That being said, there's nothing I disagree with about your argument.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.02.04 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
If you were a real man and missioned in lowsec, you could shoot anyone you like, any time you like.
I've run some level IV's in my Onyx with the dream someone would probe me out...
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.04 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
If you were a real man and missioned in lowsec, you could shoot anyone you like, any time you like.
I've run some level IV's in my Onyx with the dream someone would probe me out...
That would be an..amusing.. find in highsec. Would probably steal your stuff anyhow.
In lowsec..that is just screaming 'bait' :) Screaming it I say. Its been a while since I visited lowsec (as my steadily climbing sec can attest to) (Its amazing just how fast 0.0 sec creeps up on you)
So what's the lowsec near Dixie like? --
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous I've run some level IV's in my Onyx with the dream someone would probe me out...
I've dreamed something similar. Of course, it usually includes me salvaging in the Mission of someone famous such as yourself or Bellum, and striking up a conversation about how totally awesome we all are.
Star power, ftw.
We're Recruiting! |
Fo RumChar
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Mission in Lowsec/0.0, then you can shoot at Ninja Salvagers.
Whats that, its scary there?
Probally the reason Mission griefers are rarely if ever seen in low sec/0.0 -Fo |
Fo RumChar
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Omarvelous I've run some level IV's in my Onyx with the dream someone would probe me out...
I've dreamed something similar. Of course, it usually includes me salvaging in the Mission of someone famous such as yourself or Bellum, and striking up a conversation about how totally awesome we all are.
Star power, ftw.
You rub them out while posting im sure..
-Fo |
Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Fo RumChar Probally the reason Mission griefers are rarely if ever seen in low sec/0.0
Sometimes, I like to sit cloaked in my safespot off the Crilere Gate in Rancer and watch The United pop ships. Don't tell them though. I don't want them to know I'm salvaging the wrecks when they dock.
Oh, wait.
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Luthien Tanuviel
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:38:00 -
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I love ninja salvagers theyre great fun in missions with triggers,
ninja warps in pop trigger ninja warps out repeat
if theres 3 of you you should be doing missions in about ten to fifteen minutes, at about 5 mil a piece thats not too bad, if you really want salvage either go ninja yourself, salvage the gangs missions or go to cosmos regions where the rats spawn real quick and you can salvage til your little hearts content.
PS. if you really want to be a complete b**t**d jot the lil fellers name down and get a corpie to gank his frig, when he hits his pod you can gank that too (btw the ninja will get kill rights on anyone who kills his ship but not on anyone who kills his pod... strange but true)
but if all you really wanna do is farm i suggest you start trading in livestock
this thread made i laff!!
PSS: nerf everything so my ibis can run level 4's, pvp, mine and carry other ships... oh and can i has your stuff? |
Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Luthien Tanuviel Suddenly Ninja warps in pop trigger Suddenly Ninja salvages field, tanking aggro easily Mission Runner cries, gets Concordokkened when shooting Suddenly Ninja with no aggro Suddenly Ninja salvages Mission Runner wreck repeat
I fixed it for you.
Originally by: Luthien Tanuviel if theres 3 of you you should be doing missions
Yawn. No thanks.
Originally by: Luthien Tanuviel this thread made i laff!!
Your poor command of the English language made me laugh.
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Terra Mikael
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.05 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Karnus Solus
IŠm aware of the game mechanics on this matter, I just donŠt agree with them.
Yeah, that's why I don't like checkers. "king me" my sweet ass! ________________________________
Originally by: Korovyov You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:16:00 -
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I am mostly a missionrunning carebear and a trader but I like pirates and gankers and griefers. I hope I could become one on one day?
As many have stated previously, mission running is just too easy and needs some risk. Also how many of you already shoot the salvager if he steals loot? Or how many of you shoots them without their missionboats ending up being destroyed?
Would you really dare to "defend" yourself? As someone said what happened to the miners who whined about stealing from their cans? Now they dont only lose their ore but also their precious mining ships?
And what if he starts to salvage some crappy serpentis or some other mission which offers only crappy salvage which is not worth of the time anyway? |
Gambuk
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:59:00 -
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Yes, please make it flag salvagers.
That way we can ninja salvage, get you flagged to us, then gank you as well as your wrecks.
IN BEFORE THE SPINNERS! |
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Omarvelous I've run some level IV's in my Onyx with the dream someone would probe me out...
I've dreamed something similar. Of course, it usually includes me salvaging in the Mission of someone famous such as yourself or Bellum, and striking up a conversation about how totally awesome we all are.
Star power, ftw.
I'd probably ruin the fun just by setting up buy orders for the salvage in system.
You'd get isk for cleaning up my mess and I'd get salvage to make my own rigs to get blown up in some fight.
Everyone involved would be happy - which would be gay and lame. |
Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.02.05 18:45:00 -
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Stop complaining carebearzzz
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Luthien Tanuviel
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dani SP Stop complaining carebearzzz
butbutbut?! |
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