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Wraye	Posted - 2009.02.01 23:55:00 - [1] Hi, just started playing about a week ago and and trying to figure out what path to start down to make learning PvP the least painful as possible. Just got cruisers and have been focusing on missiles and shield skills as i rolled a Caldari Civire. Would really appreciate suggestions as to what would be the best to start off with and get my hands dirty as well as if anyone can suggest a sturdy lone wolf type pvp build that i can set my longer term goals at. Thanks for any help all.
Zantei	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:03:00 - [2] Solo pvp isn't what it once was. Choose your targets carefully, fly cheap, do the job quickly. The rifter is the best tech 1 pvp frigate, check the battleclinic website for fittings. Since you have shields and missiles, maybe a kestrel would be best for you.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:11:00 - [3] Caldari are the worst solo pvp race. Do one of the following: 1. Train minmatar ships, which will also require shield and missile skills, to allow you to solo pvp with the minmatar ships and pve with the caldari ships to make money to fund your pvping. Also caldari are probably better in larger gangs and fleets than minmatar just because minmatar battleships are subpar for group work. So this has all your bases covered. 2. Decide to just focus on gallente or amarr. Of the two gallente are the more solo-capable. But both have some ships that can solo and ships that are good for fleet work. Gallente have an edge in pve, but amarr can pve in certain places very well. (i would say gallente win out here, though amarr is very deadly in pvp currently, but their lack of mid slots makes solo less effective) - the harbinger however with its 4 mids can solo, but you need good skills to play a battlecruiser solo effectively because they are more sluggish. If you are heavily serious about solo pvp though number 1 is your best option. Solo pvp requires relatively agile ships so you can escape bad situations. This means most solo pvp you will be using t1/t2 frigates/cruisers. Minmatar probably has the best selection of good frigates and cruisers. They also have the only battleship you would want to try and actively solo in.
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:27:00 - [4] go to a low sec system look in local for a -10 player and ask him to take you under his wing, you may get poded a few times by him but thats his nature :) there are some cool guys that are -10 sec :) Most of all have fun ....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
The Vixen Stone Rosary	Posted - 2009.02.02 02:57:00 - [5] Or just... don't solo PvP because no one else will be solo-pvping.
Dictum Factum Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:17:00 - [6] Solo is still there, just very hard to come by. If you wish to be self taught, you will have to be very patient and be willing to go through quite a few ships before it will come together for you. I wish you the best of luck regardless of the course you take. I know less than you think I do.
Major Deviant	Posted - 2009.02.02 07:36:00 - [7] Get your caldari standings up and join FW. In the militia, solo pvp is the rule not the exception. Fleet warfare exists but it will often lead to a quicker death than flying solo. Buy, fly and die in 10-15 T1 frigs and by then you will be on the top 50% of solo pvpers. Do not be afraid to lose your ships. As far as your pod goes, your are 99% safe in lowsec as long as you spam warp the moment your structure starts to fail (I do it around 50% structure, unless my foe is likely to go down first). This is not to save your ship as you will have a point on you, but your pod. Always fit a damage control to your frigate, it effectively doubles your structure hitpoints and raises your resists across the board - real men hull tank. Pick your targets, learn to predict what fitting a certain ship has and do not be afraid to use "unconventional" fittings for your own. Running from a gang is not cowardice, is a smart tactical withdrawal. I personally have been flying a Kestrel for the last three months, and I can take almost everything bar BSs (can't break the tank ). Rifters are also good but my "odd" setup chews them up before they even now what hit them. By becoming a better solo pilot you can find your place in a gang more easily and be more useful. Patience is the key here. Always honour yor 1vs1s.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.02 09:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Major Deviant Running from a gang is not cowardice, is a smart tactical withdrawal.[/b] Doing that while being in flames also ****es the attacker off, because they didn't manage to pod you :)
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.02 10:21:00 - [9] Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 02/02/2009 10:21:52 Originally by: bff Jill Caldari are the worst solo pvp race. Do one of the following: 1. Train minmatar ships, which will also require shield and missile skills, to allow you to solo pvp with the minmatar ships and pve with the caldari ships to make money to fund your pvping. Also caldari are probably better in larger gangs and fleets than minmatar just because minmatar battleships are subpar for group work. So this has all your bases covered. 2. Decide to just focus on gallente or amarr. Of the two gallente are the more solo-capable. But both have some ships that can solo and ships that are good for fleet work. Gallente have an edge in pve, but amarr can pve in certain places very well. (i would say gallente win out here, though amarr is very deadly in pvp currently, but their lack of mid slots makes solo less effective) - the harbinger however with its 4 mids can solo, but you need good skills to play a battlecruiser solo effectively because they are more sluggish. If you are heavily serious about solo pvp though number 1 is your best option. Solo pvp requires relatively agile ships so you can escape bad situations. This means most solo pvp you will be using t1/t2 frigates/cruisers. Minmatar probably has the best selection of good frigates and cruisers. They also have the only battleship you would want to try and actively solo in. This tbh. I'd recommend Minmatar or Amarr. But Minmatar has lost a lot of PvP loving since the last speed nerf (Minmatar tank by high speed mainly). If you look for a nice cheap cruiser to start with, I'd take the Arbitrator (Amarr). Edit btw: Solo = one ship. Some people tend to say that flying with multiple ships on multiple accounts is solo aswell, which is clearly bull** imho. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.**
tonedog2008	Posted - 2009.02.02 11:47:00 - [10] i keep readin that frigate are better than destroyers in pvp cos they are more agile. is this true? i fly a ctatlyst, are destroyers really that bad when it comes to pvp?

Kesper North Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.02.02 11:54:00 - [11] Yes. A destroyer is a big, slow, underpowered frigate that even battleships can hit. Don't fly destroyers.
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.02.02 14:05:00 - [12] Originally by: The Vixen Or just... don't solo PvP because no one else will be solo-pvping. i beg to differ, i've been solo pvp'ing the last 5 months (very small gang occasionally as well) after my low sec break, in fact i live permanently in low sec too Originally by: Kesper North Yes. A destroyer is a big, slow, underpowered frigate that even battleships can hit. Don't fly destroyers. while a lot can hit them easy, they're excellent for ganking frig gangs or assault frigs for cheapest personally when soloing i seem to tend to mainly fly minmatar, and other races in very small gangs. in fact the race that usually poses me the greatest challenge is other minmatar ships... that said, EVERY race can solo pvp, caldari (mainly) and amarr (some) have a harder time doing it though. also, fly cheap, you will die alot in the start, but its all fun -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.02 17:41:00 - [13] Quote: What is recommended for learning to solo pvp? Directional Scanner. That's the primary thing you need as you can't kill anything if you don't find it. In game skill is less important than out of game tactics/skill when it comes to solo pirating (noob chaining) these days. Most of the noobs you'll find ratting / traveling in lowsec won't even shoot back. A Crow is good if you you want belt piracy, if not then a Drake does fine. A Drake with a 200-300 passive tank is a good all arounder since I don't recommend sitting on lowsec gates without a scout (which is not really "solo" anymore). Once you skill up then a (every race but Caldari) Recon is fun too. Pick a pocket and start making bookmarks, pounce points to gates and etc. Hanging out in top belts in lowsec entry points can be fun but don't hang out too long or you may end up as the prey. /makes fart noise
yani dumyat Minmatar Connoisseurs Of Hallucination	Posted - 2009.02.02 18:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Alowishus Directional Scanner. This ^^ Seriously warp to a planet in high sec and press alt-S, click directional tab and set the range to full (type 99999999999 in the range box) The full range is a bit over 12Au. Press F11 to show the minimap in the bottom right corner and play with the angle command in the scanner. Use the scanner to find a ship in a belt and try and warp in on top of them. Once you have got the hang of this you can try it in low sec :) "Caldari are useless for PVP" is a meme on this forum that should be ignored. If you want to cross train then learn to use hybrids so you can fly both caldari and gallente. Kestrel is a good starter ship with awesome DPS but very little tank, below is the cookie cutter setup: High: 4x rocket launchers Mid: 1x MWD (Or afterburner if you don't have the skills yet) 1x Warp Scrambler 1x small shield extender Low: 1x Ballistic Control Unit 1x Power Diagnostics Joining your fleet warfare team is a very good way to learn. For a week old player I'd highly advise some high sec warfare, there's some good can flipping guides in the C&P forum or if you go to any of the main trade systems and drop some cans you'll find some high speed darwinism. Crow is a great ship to train for if you want to solo pvp, just avoid other ceptors and you can run from any fight you're not going to win.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.02.02 19:48:00 - [15] The best option for a good solo capable ship as a starting caldari player is probably the crow.
Kaldoreign Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.02 19:58:00 - [16] I guess that you could do well in a Merlin, it gets a great bonus to shield resists so it can hold on longer in 1vs1 fights, and it also has smaller sig. radius then Kestrel, higher dps if you have good blaster skills. Also, if you started as a soldier profession, you got hybrid turret skills and if you invest more SP in that, you can always cross-train to Gallente. The only thing I'm not sure is if it is better to go hybrids with caldari / gallente and train armor tanking, or go minmatar and train projectile weapons...
Lasara Dar Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2009.02.03 03:03:00 - [17] Well the best way to get started into pvp is to start to max out a frigate with T2 weapons and tank. Once the skills are at lvl 5 this will give you a relatively cheap ship to experiment with in low sec. Just dont gate camp wih a frigate. It will be bad. Some of my favorite ships to use is minmatar. But i believe that it is not the race of ship that is important but how you use it. A maxed out krestrel is always better than a newbie in a rifter.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.03 03:35:00 - [18] 100 isk and plenty of time on Singularity. CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
mike hawkenbawls	Posted - 2009.02.03 04:13:00 - [19] Thanks for all the great help guys and gals, i really appreciate it since this game is so much different then my previous MMOs like FF11, WoW and WAR (and that is a good thing) i can use all the help i can get Right now im sticking with caldari and working on minmatar frigates and projectile turrents for rifter ( as is a RL bud i talked into doing the same) while working on a kestrel loadout i got from evemon. It seems like this can work, and i like the idea of having PvE and large scale value as Caldari as well as backup solo frigade fun as minmatar rifter if life as a caldari is too tough, but do you all think im better off sticking with it or rerolling minmatar and learning calari instead? (or just sticking with minmatar period, since im not a fan of gallente or amarr)
Nursultan	Posted - 2009.02.03 08:27:00 - [20] Edited by: Nursultan on 03/02/2009 08:32:41 Edited by: Nursultan on 03/02/2009 08:28:00 Also, check out these blogs: http://wensley.wordpress.com/ http://eve-pirate.blogspot.com/ and this forum: http://tuskers.eve-webhost.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=f0626025bd6d0293a23faa267c873122 There's lots of useful info.

Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.03 21:36:00 - [21] Most important solo pvp advice I can give would be: Don't choose Caldari, don't choose shield tanking and ESPECIALLY don't choose shield tanking missile ships.
Biscuit0 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.04 14:47:00 - [22] Originally by: bff Jill Minmatar probably has the best selection of good frigates and cruisers. They also have the only battleship you would want to try and actively solo in. The Dominix is not a Minmatar ship :colbert:
Daisy Blossom Caldari Morbid Obssesion	Posted - 2009.02.04 15:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Bohoba go to a low sec system look in local for a -10 player and ask him to take you under his wing, you may get poded a few times by him but thats his nature :) there are some cool guys that are -10 sec :) Most of all have fun This. Also, expect to be blobbed constantly. You won't find many others out there with the cohones that you have.
Walter Padick	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:57:00 - [24] Thanks for all the great help guys (this is Wraye the OP) I switched to a Minmatar and love the faster ships and the look of them much better. Working on getting my rifter up to some sort of pvp minimun standard with the "holy trinity" and cant wait to get my butt kicked for awhile attempting pvp (ill be sure to take it all in stride and write notes on folks who kill me revenge later in life ;). Could someone help me with one more aspect of soloing...Expect to try to progress from rifter to stabber to hurricane to eventually vagabond since i like speed. 1) Is it better to long range with artys or get in close with autos? 2) I read that mins are pretty versatile, but should i focus on active or passive shield or armor for the ships i mentioned above? 3) Does "speed tanking" still apply (i have heard that it isnt effective anymore...) and if so is there any tips i should know or guides i should read? and 4) Are there any corps out there that are focused on smaller group pvp and willing to help advise my RL bud an I (both minmatar) we are both mature (already out of college) and have a history of MMOs and will be fast learners and help out wherever we can. again, thanks for all the help, see you out there in the black
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:10:00 - [25] Edited by: Morel Nova on 05/02/2009 17:10:29 the most important thing you need for solo pvp: - watch local for spikes like a hawk because most targets you are going to find will be bait. - use a drone capable ship and train up ECM drones. I'v lost count of how many times they have saved my ass when the targets 20 friends warp in on you and he has you scrammed/webbed. - learn to not hate yourself when you have to run away with the target in half structure
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Biscuit0 Originally by: bff Jill Minmatar probably has the best selection of good frigates and cruisers. They also have the only battleship you would want to try and actively solo in. The Dominix is not a Minmatar ship :colbert: Fighting outside of stations doesnt count
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.02.09 10:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Kesper North Yes. A destroyer is a big, slow, underpowered frigate that even battleships can hit. Don't fly destroyers. Don't tell eve university! But you're right, tbh. Destroyers have decent dps, but are paper thin and easy to hit. I recommend not flying in them unless you want to go for the tech 2 variety, and you want to fly in 0.0.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:51:00 - [28] Thrasher can do a very high alpha, you need AWU 5 to fit it properly though.
Nursultan	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Walter Pa**** Thanks for all the great help guys (this is Wraye the OP) I switched to a Minmatar and love the faster ships and the look of them much better. Working on getting my rifter up to some sort of pvp minimun standard with the "holy trinity" and cant wait to get my butt kicked for awhile attempting pvp (ill be sure to take it all in stride and write notes on folks who kill me revenge later in life ;). Could someone help me with one more aspect of soloing...Expect to try to progress from rifter to stabber to hurricane to eventually vagabond since i like speed. 1) Is it better to long range with artys or get in close with autos? 2) I read that mins are pretty versatile, but should i focus on active or passive shield or armor for the ships i mentioned above? 3) Does "speed tanking" still apply (i have heard that it isnt effective anymore...) and if so is there any tips i should know or guides i should read? and 4) Are there any corps out there that are focused on smaller group pvp and willing to help advise my RL bud an I (both minmatar) we are both mature (already out of college) and have a history of MMOs and will be fast learners and help out wherever we can. again, thanks for all the help, see you out there in the black on your questions: 1) autos ftw. you will seek to kill others by getting up really close, messing with their tracking. 2) for rifter (and then wolf) focus on armour tanking 3) speed tanking does exist, especially for frigates. you will dodge turret fire and missile damage by orbiting your enemy at minimum distance with your afterburner on. reed Wensley's guide (linked above) for more. 4) i'm sure such corporations exist, but many of them want to see players with at least some skills and kills under their belt.
Psycho Nomad	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:57:00 - [30] Walter Pa****, hit me up in game.



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