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Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:35:00 - [31] Originally by: cosmoray I fully state for the record that Hapenburg sent me 500M ISK for what he thought was for my shares in EvaLF's IPO. I never had any intention of selling them. Seeing as I was scammed for 500M by Xabier who is either an ALT of evn7289/hapenburg or a partner in the scams, it was my chance to get my money back. As far as I am concerned anyone who scams is fair game, and now that I have my cash back I am even. I would never have any intention of scamming in this game, but this is cheaters justice If Hapenburg chooses not to undergo FUL API audit, he is marking himself as a scammer and is fair game!! So you agree that it's okay to scam people? Your intent is unprovable, only your actions. Eveb if you could prove without any hint of uncertainty that this person is evn or Xabier, then you just did to him what Xabier did to you. Just because you can claim moral high ground on some twisted logic doesn't make what you did any better, even if in your mind it was justified.
Lansoc Kopec Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:36:00 - [32] So cosmoray scammed someone. No more "trusted" title for him no matter how much he says he was just getting his ISK back he still scammed someone. Once a scammer always a scammer.. take it like everyone else.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:54:00 - [33] If I was in the same position doing a personal transaction (ie Non-EBANK) I would have done precisely the same thing as Cosmoray to be honest.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:55:00 - [34] Originally by: Clair Bear Wow, talk about mixed emotions. On one hand I'm glad some of the Xabier & friends scam ISK is making its way back to rightful owners. On the other hand, in a game where reputation is everything are you sure is counterscamming a great idea? Future business associates would have to weigh the possibility of you deciding they're an alt of some scammer and then having to prove otherwise vs. benefit of association. Pretty much this. I understand the desire to get one's money back from a scam, and I'm 100% confident that if cosmoray is wrong then he'll reimburse the 'reclaimed' isk, but... it's unfortunate that to accomplish his goal cosmoray turned to the methods that caused him the loss in the first place. I'm no idealist but there's something wrong there. On a different note, does anyone else find it odd that in the conversation cosmo posted, Hapenburg states that he hasn't frequented the forums before? If you don't, then consider the following. Why after buying a character connected with a scammer does he suddenly gravitate to the MD forum and jump head-first into the secondary market? How does he get the feeling that cosmoray is a trustworthy person from only three days max of reading the boards? And... why is he so afraid of an audit?
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 03:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Ricdic If I was in the same position doing a personal transaction (ie Non-EBANK) I would have done precisely the same thing as Cosmoray to be honest. So you believe scamming people to be acceptable?
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:01:00 - [36] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 02/02/2009 04:02:13 Heh, now lets watch all the people who've ever been labeled scammers (and their alts) come out and try to label cosmoray a scammer,,, lol. Do unto others what they do to you tbqfh. But let me ask this: If you were the victim of a scam, and you had an opportunity to take that ISK back off your perpetrator, would you take it up? Especially when you're the victim of something that generally doesn't allow for repercussions to take place? Every war, every kill right claimed on, aggro rights and all those related mechanics says the general EVE community would answer: Yes. Quote: So you believe scamming people to be acceptable? Do you not believe revenge to be acceptable?
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:02:00 - [37] Scamming a scammer doesn't absolve you of scamming, enjoy your reputation.
Forceflow Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:03:00 - [38] Edited by: Forceflow on 02/02/2009 04:04:30 Originally by: Viper **zIe So you believe scamming people to be acceptable? We generally declare open season on scammers and their known alts, so yea. Scam the scammers. Originally by: Benedic Scamming a scammer doesn't absolve you of scamming, enjoy your reputation. I would mark it as 'kill' for Cosmoray. Getting back at scammers at their own game doesn't happen too often.
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:03:00 - [39] Originally by: evn7289 Edited by: evn7289 on 14/01/2009 03:43:37 Just an announcement. Equinaxe is being sold as the newest character bought has better freighter skills. The new characters name is Hapenburg, and she will be in charge of the corporation and all attached shares. This character will also be the viewable industry character for the corporation. Hapenburg, all the evidence points to you being an alt of evn7289, a known scammer, with no evidence offered by you to prove otherwise. If what you're saying is true, then surely it's in your best interest to clear your name which can easily be done. Ebank, probably the most trusted corporation in Eve with over 1 Trillion of other people's ISK, is willing to help you. If you don't like them for some reason, I'm sure Chribba, one of the most trusted individuals in Eve, would be willing to help verify your claims. If you don't, you'll forever be labelled a scammer, never trusted and will also probably be KOS by many people. It's easy enough to prove what you're saying is true, at no cost or loss of anything to you. If you don't want to do that, it's not going to look good.
ksc1226	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:05:00 - [40] A similar issue arised in the Small Gods IPO (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=968582). The potential to take the isk of the invester and scammer, xabier, was available. But even knowing with definite certainty that xabier is a scammer it was still decided that he would be treated as a regular investor. I think this was the right move and it was the opinion of most of those that posted on the thread.
Hapenburg Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:13:00 - [41] I am not against proving I am not a scammer. I just am against giving away access to my personal information. I bought this character to put a buffer between my main and myself. He was involved in some ****, and its being put onto me. I don't want that buffer broken, that is my call. I ask to be judged for what I have done on this board, I haven't started any Bond or IPO. I have just invested in them. I got scammed out of an investment that was meant for a trusted player on the MD forums. It turned out that this trusted player is no better then evn7289 or any other scammer on this forum.
Waseem The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:17:00 - [42] Edited by: Waseem on 02/02/2009 04:18:11 Originally by: Hapenburg I am not against proving I am not a scammer. I just am against giving away access to my personal information. I bought this character to put a buffer between my main and myself. He was involved in some ****, and its being put onto me. I don't want that buffer broken, that is my call. I ask to be judged for what I have done on this board, I haven't started any Bond or IPO. I have just invested in them. I got scammed out of an investment that was meant for a trusted player on the MD forums. It turned out that this trusted player is no better then evn7289 or any other scammer on this forum. While I might not agree totally with how the events transpired, this is just simply not going to cut it. Enjoy your 500m loss, and your now 10b character that is worth nothing in this area of the game. I would recommend selling this toon off and getting someone else. Consider the 500m loss and any subsequent loss of character profits a pretty inexpensive education in all things MD and character purchasing related.
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:17:00 - [43] Originally by: ksc1226 A similar issue arised in the Small Gods IPO (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=968582). The potential to take the isk of the invester and scammer, xabier, was available. But even knowing with definite certainty that xabier is a scammer it was still decided that he would be treated as a regular investor. I think this was the right move and it was the opinion of most of those that posted on the thread. Xabier hadn't stolen money off Small Gods so they had no claim and it wasn't for them to mete out justice on other people's behalf. However, if you have been robbed yourself as an individual, then with the limited options that Eve offers to exact revenge, I think pretty much anything goes. If cosmo is unable to sell his next Bond, that will be because of judgements made on his actions. But somehow I doubt he will have any problems selling his issues in future and therefore I doubt he will care too much if some evangalists here do not like his actions.
Mehixa	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Hapenburg I am not against proving I am not a scammer. I just am against giving away access to my personal information. I bought this character to put a buffer between my main and myself. He was involved in some ****, and its being put onto me. I don't want that buffer broken, that is my call. I ask to be judged for what I have done on this board, I haven't started any Bond or IPO. I have just invested in them. I got scammed out of an investment that was meant for a trusted player on the MD forums. It turned out that this trusted player is no better then evn7289 or any other scammer on this forum. The only thing anyone has is their word and their balls. You don't have either of 'em.
Forceflow Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:23:00 - [45] Edited by: Forceflow on 02/02/2009 04:23:16 On an unentirely unrelated note: Selling of evn7289 Derailment in progress.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:23:00 - [46] Reserving 3 billion on Cosmo's next offering. If you don't use the character sale forums then it didn't happen, period. **** you can even fake the sale on the character sale forums if you wanted to but you didn't even do that. I'm 100% on cosmo's side unless the accuser wants to provide proof of sale.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:30:00 - [47] Okay, now that was fing brilliant Cosmo. Glad to see you picked up on the alt from the last offering where Hapen threw in known scammed money into another IPO offering. Sorry Happen, I'll happily offering you the same deal as Ricdic. Full API and I'll clear the air, but to be perfectly frank... you know and I know who you are. Enjoy the war decs on your friends my friend
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Forceflow We generally declare open season on scammers and their known alts, so yea. Scam the scammers. Scamming a scammer is still scamming. You can't chose to scam only when it can be justified as "morally acceptable", there's no ambiguity here, either you scam or you don't, either it's wrong or it's right.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:34:00 - [49] And a bit of advice, Happen. Stop crosslinking and making so much noise. So far you've managed to out yourself to lots of people as evn's alt, and ruin your character sale. At this point you're unlikely to ever pull off a followup scam here, ever. I'd say quit while you're ahead but it's a bit late for that. As for myself, if I were in cosmo's shoes I'd more likely than not do the exact same thing. No way would I accept being scammed by someone that ^^^^^ stupid.
Jonny Suede Advanced BPO Research Division	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Kitchie Originally by: evn7289 Edited by: evn7289 on 14/01/2009 03:43:37 Just an announcement. Equinaxe is being sold as the newest character bought has better freighter skills. The new characters name is Hapenburg, and she will be in charge of the corporation and all attached shares. This character will also be the viewable industry character for the corporation. Hapenburg, all the evidence points to you being an alt of evn7289, a known scammer, with no evidence offered by you to prove otherwise. If what you're saying is true, then surely it's in your best interest to clear your name which can easily be done. Ebank, probably the most trusted corporation in Eve with over 1 Trillion of other people's ISK, is willing to help you. If you don't like them for some reason, I'm sure Chribba, one of the most trusted individuals in Eve, would be willing to help verify your claims. If you don't, you'll forever be labelled a scammer, never trusted and will also probably be KOS by many people. It's easy enough to prove what you're saying is true, at no cost or loss of anything to you. If you don't want to do that, it's not going to look good. Agreed. Hapenburg, you've made your point and received the options needed for a resolution. Take it or move on.....anything more from this point is a waste of time.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:37:00 - [51] Originally by: ksc1226 A similar issue arised in the Small Gods IPO (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=968582). The potential to take the isk of the invester and scammer, xabier, was available. But even knowing with definite certainty that xabier is a scammer it was still decided that he would be treated as a regular investor. I think this was the right move and it was the opinion of most of those that posted on the thread. I think for most IPO launchers it is their choice to who they accept ISk from. Now that Romanov has taken money it came to light that the person was a scammer. At this point the manager can either return the money to the scammer or treat as an investment. It is a tough line, but I think for most people if it isn't in the IPO document they won't take any investor funds and run, they have to treat all investors equal. If a scammer was one of my shareholders I couldn't do anything at all. I won't put any scammer provisions in my IPO's. I won't accept funds from known scammers.
evn7289	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:37:00 - [52] Sorry to disappoint you all, but that toon isn't mine. I really did sell him for 10bn isk. The great part is it was a wonderful WONDERFUL resell. I totaled with the sale of this toon (complete in under an hour) I will have a total of 55bn in my pocket. Thank you all once again for funding all this. See ya'll laterz
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:37:00 - [53] I can just see it now "How do I get 1001 journal entries in less than a few hours"
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:38:00 - [54] Originally by: evn7289 Sorry to disappoint you all, but that toon isn't mine. I really did sell him for 10bn isk. The great part is it was a wonderful WONDERFUL resell. I totaled with the sale of this toon (complete in under an hour) I will have a total of 55bn in my pocket. Thank you all once again for funding all this. See ya'll laterz No you didn't EVN, nice try but I've SEEN you fly this toon for your corp mates. ..nice try Again enjoy the war decs.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: evn7289 Sorry to disappoint you all, but that toon isn't mine. I really did sell him for 10bn isk. The great part is it was a wonderful WONDERFUL resell. I totaled with the sale of this toon (complete in under an hour) I will have a total of 55bn in my pocket. Thank you all once again for funding all this. See ya'll laterz No you didn't EVN, nice try but I've SEEN you fly this toon for your corp mates. ..nice try Again enjoy the war decs. You do know what selling a character is, right? protip: It means he doesn't own it anymore
evn7289	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:42:00 - [56] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: evn7289 Sorry to disappoint you all, but that toon isn't mine. I really did sell him for 10bn isk. The great part is it was a wonderful WONDERFUL resell. I totaled with the sale of this toon (complete in under an hour) I will have a total of 55bn in my pocket. Thank you all once again for funding all this. See ya'll laterz No you didn't EVN, nice try but I've SEEN you fly this toon for your corp mates. ..nice try Again enjoy the war decs. SEEN = past tense. You all are just bitter. I feel bad for him/her. And I don't fly the toon anymore. And my corp mates think this is hilarious as well :P This is my last post. Fly safe all. This toon no longer belongs to me :P
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:47:00 - [57] proof or STFU. If you don't care about who you sold the toon to. What character paid you the 10B for Hapenburg?
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:47:00 - [58] Originally by: evn7289 This is my last post We hope so.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:50:00 - [59] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Ricdic If I was in the same position doing a personal transaction (ie Non-EBANK) I would have done precisely the same thing as Cosmoray to be honest. So you believe scamming people to be acceptable? No I believe reclaiming ones losses to be acceptable
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Hapenburg I am not against proving I am not a scammer. I just am against giving away access to my personal information. I bought this character to put a buffer between my main and myself. He was involved in some ****, and its being put onto me. I don't want that buffer broken, that is my call. I ask to be judged for what I have done on this board, I haven't started any Bond or IPO. I have just invested in them. I got scammed out of an investment that was meant for a trusted player on the MD forums. It turned out that this trusted player is no better then evn7289 or any other scammer on this forum. Woot, I haven't has so much fun reading this board for ages! Furthermore, and significant statement above underlined for clarity, buying a toon without first doing any kind of search to check whether it is carrying any significant baggage, is the height of stupidity, especially for someone who claims the have existing reputation problems. So you're either a scammer or an idiot, neither of which is going to get you far here.

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