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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.09 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2009 12:56:00
Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 09/02/2009 12:48:36
Originally by: NightmareX
LOL, your funny dude. You are forgetting that when it's about PVP, you can learn ALOT on sisi when it's about PVP.
Sissi is a TEST server but like a lot of the fools on their you use it as a cheap 100isk per ship/module playground to mess about and fit out ships that are useless and worthless on TQ and then use the BF ares to boost your pathetic epeen.
You fit implants that most would not use on TQ, others fit modules that most would not on TQ, you sit in a BF area doing 1 V 1 that does not exist hardly at all on on TQ and then you expect BS to be balanced around your results.
You are a fool and your ideas are a waste of time as they belong on sissi with your 100isk implants and your buddies faction fitted ships, not on TQ with the real eve players.
ANYWAY
Back on topic...........
Have you ever heard about FFA (Free For All) arena on sisi?. I'll guess you haven't. Maybe you should try it and then later comment on how it is there.
Who the hell cares if the things on sisi cost 100 isk each. Would it be any difference there if everything had been 10 mill isk each there?, no it wouldn't.
And about the implants. Almost everybody fits out the most expensive or best implants on sisi anyways, so why should i do it?.
And who have told you that my buddies are using faction fits on sisi?. Oh wow, not like the others we are fighting aren't using faction modules then.
But to the point, no we are using T2 fits on sisi, because you cannot buy faction stuffs on market in FD-MLJ.
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Murina
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Posted - 2009.02.09 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 09/02/2009 13:05:39
Originally by: NightmareX
have you ever heard about FFA (Free For All) arena on sisi?. I'll guess you haven't. Maybe you should try it and then later comment on how it is there.
Yea its the place that ppl fly into alone or in gangs and in a big disorganized mass blast the crap out of each other.
Now and again you get a bunch of muppets who gang up so they can "own" FFA1 or one of the other FFA areas, but then that is hardly a task as everybody else is doing their own thing and even a marginally organized group could pop individual disorganized ships one at a time.
Originally by: NightmareX
And about the implants. Almost everybody fits out the most expensive or best implants on sisi anyways, so why should i do it?.
Cos its a test server for TQ noob not a play ground for muppets like you, but hey go ahead and do it but do not expect your results to be taken seriously for balancing on TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX But to the point, no we are using T2 fits on sisi, because you cannot buy faction stuffs on market in FD-MLJ.
Buy them one time on TQ and move em to FD- and you get new ones every mirror nub, a lot of ppl do that aparantly.
ANYWAY
Back on topic........... |
NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2009 13:10:00
Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 09/02/2009 13:00:19
Originally by: NightmareX
have you ever heard about FFA (Free For All) arena on sisi?. I'll guess you haven't. Maybe you should try it and then later comment on how it is there.
Yea its the place that ppl fly into alone or in gangs and in a big disorganized mass blast the crap out of each other.
Now and again you get a bunch of muppets who gang up so they can "own" FF1 or one of the other FFA areas, but then that is hardly a task as everybody else is doing their own thing and even a marginally organized group could pop individual disorganized ships one at a time.
Originally by: NightmareX
And about the implants. Almost everybody fits out the most expensive or best implants on sisi anyways, so why should i do it?.
Cos its a test server for TQ noob not a play ground for muppets like you, but hey go ahead and do it but do not expect your results to be taken seriously for balancing on TQ. Originally by: NightmareX But to the point, no we are using T2 fits on sisi, because you cannot buy faction stuffs on market in FD-MLJ.
Buy them one time on TQ and move em to FD- and you get new ones every mirror nub.
ANYWAY
Back on topic...........
I can tell you one thing, and believe me on that. When you warp alone in a Kronos into FFA like i use to do sometimes, and then you get a gang of 4-5 ships on you. All are in sizes from Cruisers to Battleships.
I can guarantee you that if you don't learn anything from that on sisi, then i don't know, but you must be utterly ******ed if you don't learn anything at all from that.
It have been those times i have been alone against 4-5 bs'es and still pwned the **** out of them in my Kronos there.
So yes, my point still stands, you can learn ALOT of things by PVPing on sisi.
And back to the things about faction stuffs. Dude, it's not like there are mirrors on sisi every day fool. Mirrors are like every 3-4 months. So yeah, you can enjoy your faction stuffs one single time before you have to go back to T2 modules.
Then about the implants again. If everyone on sisi are using the most expensive and best implants on sisi. Then i also should do it, because if i don't do it, then things will not get so balanced for me again.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 09/02/2009 13:10:40
Originally by: Murina
No plated setups use dhc's and eanm and thats what plugs the holes down to at best ex weakest vs em strongest a 10% differance max.
I am unsure if you know this, but the difference between 60% resist and 70% resist is not 10%.
The difference between an armor EM resist and EX resist after all your hardening and plating is done is about 44% on a non-amarr, non-minmatar ship(less for the Amarr, more for the minnies)
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Your "assumption" list just happened to be about a 1 v 1 engagement pal.
Not really, no. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
I can tell you one thing, and believe me on that. When you warp alone in a Kronos into FFA like i use to do sometimes, and then you get a gang of 4-5 ships on you. All are in sizes from Cruisers to Battleships.
I can guarantee you that if you don't learn anything from that on sisi, then i don't know, but you must be utterly ******ed if you don't learn anything at all from that.
It have been those times i have been alone against 4-5 bs'es and still pwned the **** out of them in my Kronos there.
So yes, my point still stands, you can learn ALOT of things by PVPing on sisi.
Yea right i find solo PVP fitted kronos engaging my 4-5 ship gangs all the time on TQ its like a bloody plague..........
You know nothing about the realities of pvp on TQ, your sissi experience is worthless and nonexistent on TQ, crawl back their and stop talking crap about things you know nothing abouit. |
NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2009 13:16:02
Originally by: Murina
Originally by: NightmareX
I can tell you one thing, and believe me on that. When you warp alone in a Kronos into FFA like i use to do sometimes, and then you get a gang of 4-5 ships on you. All are in sizes from Cruisers to Battleships.
I can guarantee you that if you don't learn anything from that on sisi, then i don't know, but you must be utterly ******ed if you don't learn anything at all from that.
It have been those times i have been alone against 4-5 bs'es and still pwned the **** out of them in my Kronos there.
So yes, my point still stands, you can learn ALOT of things by PVPing on sisi.
Yea right i find solo PVP fitted kronos engaging my 4-5 ship gangs all the time on TQ its like a bloody plague..........
You know nothing about the realities of pvp on TQ, your sissi experience is worthless and nonexistent on TQ, crawl back their and stop talking crap about things you know nothing abouit.
And you failed to take the whole point, you only assume it's sisi so it can't be anything like it will be on TQ.
Again, god your so utterly ******ed.
And you talk about not knowing what PVP is?. LOL jesus christ. When you think Lasers are owerpowered, then i'm sorry to say it, but your the noob here who absolutely don't have a single clue about how PVP is fool. |
Murina
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
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Your "assumption" list just happened to be about a 1 v 1 engagement pal.
Not really, no.
So your approaching speed/ratios are not 1 v 1 based?.
Your ehp vs optimal dps are not 1 v 1 based?.
Your transversal issues are not 1 v 1 based?.
Rubbish they were all 1 v 1 based comments/questions and you arguments and replies were all 1 v 1 statistics. |
Murina
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 09/02/2009 13:22:44
Originally by: NightmareX
And you failed to take the whole point, you only assume it's sisi so it can't be anything like it will be on TQ.
Again, god your so utterly ******ed.
And you talk about not knowing what PVP is?. LOL jesus christ. When you think Lasers are owerpowered, then i'm sorry to say it, but your the noob here who absolutely don't have a single clue about how PVP is fool.
Its aint flying around in a bloody kronos on sissi with +5 implants at 100isk each thinking im a god of pvp pal, you know jack about how things work on TQ.
You and Marie Antoinette would have got along great, she lived in a fluffy dream world cut off from reality.
What your line if they do not have megas?, "let them fly +5 implanted kronos!!!".... |
NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2009 13:23:55
Originally by: Murina
Originally by: NightmareX
And you failed to take the whole point, you only assume it's sisi so it can't be anything like it will be on TQ.
Again, god your so utterly ******ed.
And you talk about not knowing what PVP is?. LOL jesus christ. When you think Lasers are owerpowered, then i'm sorry to say it, but your the noob here who absolutely don't have a single clue about how PVP is fool.
Its aint flying around in a bloody kronos on sissi with +5 implants at 100isk each thinking im a god of pvp pal, you know jack about how things work on TQ.
You and Marie Antoinette would have got along great.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, when does a +5 implant have anything to say about your PVP skills?.
OMG your so dumb. Jesus christ.
Again, ahahahahahahahahahah.
And you say this: you know jack about how things work on TQ. Tells the biggest PVP noob of the whole EVE history. Don't say you aren't, because you have proven that like 1000 times in this topic that you are. |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 09/02/2009 13:22:12 No, they weren't. You have a reason to believe they were 1v1 based?
Also, i have 744 kills confirmed(not counting all but 4 scored before GS(around 120 or so iirc, but that info is lost, and hilariously counting 2 from LV). Does that make be a better pvper than you? Does that mean i am more right than you?
A: No, it doesn't. Please stop arguing about it. |
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
No, they weren't. You have a reason to believe they were 1v1 based?
For starters you cannot approach lots of ship all at the same time unless they are sitting still in a stupid bunch.
That problematic transversal you mention is only a issue for the ship you are orbiting and not even that much in a BS vs BS fight (your comparison not mine).
Originally by: Goumindong Also, i have 744 kills confirmed Does that make be a better pvper than you? Does that mean i am more right than you?
Call me when you get to around 2-3 thousand, oh and that includes me being absent for a year or so setting up a business and moving house it only covers back to 06/07 not back to 03 when i started.
Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal cos lasers fragment when you approach them
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 09/02/2009 13:35:19
Originally by: NightmareX
And you failed to take the whole point, you only assume it's sisi so it can't be anything like it will be on TQ.
Again, god your so utterly ******ed.
And you talk about not knowing what PVP is?. LOL jesus christ. When you think Lasers are owerpowered, then i'm sorry to say it, but your the noob here who absolutely don't have a single clue about how PVP is fool.
Its aint flying around in a bloody kronos on sissi with +5% implants at 100isk each thinking im a god of pvp pal, you know jack about how things work on TQ.
You and Marie Antoinette would have got along great, she lived in a fluffy dream world cut off from reality.
What your line if they do not have megas?, "let them fly +5% implanted kronos!!!"....
NightmareX Losses: 22 Kills: 207
Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal cos lasers fragment when you approach them
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
For starters you cannot approach lots of ship all at the same time unless they are sitting still in a stupid bunch.
That problematic transversal you mention is only a issue for the ship you are orbiting and not even that much in a BS vs BS fight (your comparison not mine).
Depends on how many ships you're with.
The problematic transversal is not only an issue if the ship is orbiting you.
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Call me when you get to around 2-3 thousand, oh and that includes me being absent for a year or so setting up a business and moving house it only covers back to 06/07 not back to 03 when i started.
You're deliberately missing the point again. Also, who is your main?
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/02/2009 13:45:48
Originally by: Murina NightmareX Losses: 22 Kills: 207
Like i care about that. Only noobs cares about the thing called stats. Like you do. Oh btw, if you haven't forgotten it yet, i don't have 207 kills, i have around 580-600 in total.
I think having good experience is much much better than having alot of kills.
Because it's not all that have much time to play eve, but still can have ALOT of skills and experience in flying ships, like i do.
But answer me this question Murina. Is a player in a Smartbomb Battleship at a gate who pops like 200 ships / pods every day a better PVPer than me who doesn't have alot of kills, but still have quality kills?. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Depends on how many ships you're with.
No it does'nt, at lest not if blaster ships wanna get into optimal, they all need to burn towards the same target while the targets buddies can all burn away hitting for optimal dmg. And if they wanna hit the secondary they need to chase that down and it will be at max velocity by then... while still getting hit for optimal dmg...
The problematic transversal is not only an issue if the ship is orbiting you.
Originally by: Goumindong You're deliberately missing the point again. Also, who is your main?
Im not missing the point he is and you are, preaching about having a +5% fitted clone in a kronos on sissi and fighting a 4-5 ship gang is not valid pvp experience and certainly not summat to base balancing systems or races on TQ.
The guy is a fool playing on sissi with unrealistic fits in unrealistic scenarios and a safety net of 100isk per item LOL. |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
No it does'nt, at lest not if blaster ships wanna get into optimal, they all need to burn towards the same target while the targets buddies can all burn away hitting for optimal dmg. And if they wanna hit the secondary they need to chase that down and it will be at max velocity by then... while still getting hit for optimal dmg...
Only if your pilots are psychic.
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Im not missing the point he is and you are, preaching about having a +5% fitted clone in a kronos on sissi and fighting a 4-5 ship gang is not valid pvp experience and certainly not summat to base balancing systems or races on TQ.
The guy is a fool playing on sissi with unrealistic fits in unrealistic scenarios and a safety net of 100isk per item LOL.
I am preaching no such thing. I am arguing that "kills" means nothing. Only logic.
Again, who is your main? |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 09/02/2009 13:55:05
Originally by: Murina NightmareX Losses: 22 Kills: 207
Originally by: NightmareX
Oh btw, if you haven't forgotten it yet, i don't have 207 kills, i have around 580-600 in total.
Thats odd cos i have well over 2000 on BC and none in a smartbombing BS or titan ect...
But i have no idea how many i got before BC, i know its in the thousands cos i was very active between 03 and 05 but i could never begin to calculate how many as accuratly as you seem to be able to do, your saying that you have shot 400 more ppl than BC shows but none of the posted a loss mail nor did you or one of your gang post a kill mail either....how odd.
Originally by: NightmareX I think having good experience is much much better than having alot of kills.
And if i ever become so pathetic that i need to sit on sissi in a marauder fitted with +5% implants ect to win a few 1 v 1 or even 1 v 3 or 4 ect fights il call you.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 09/02/2009 13:55:36
Originally by: Goumindong
Again, who is your main?
Not telling, find out for yourself its been plastered all over the forums enough times, and its not like i have not told you on other topics before either. |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: Goumindong
Again, who is your main?
Not telling, find out for yourself.
So your argument is
"I have more kills than you and that makes me more right than you but i wont tell you under what character i have more kills"?
Riiiiiight.
You're making an argument to authority without even any authority. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 09/02/2009 14:05:10
Originally by: Goumindong
So your argument is
"I have more kills than you and that makes me more right than you but i wont tell you under what character i have more kills"?
NO
What i am saying is that i am right because your arguments are based on:
1 v 1 BS probabilities that have no place on TQ anymore.
And nightmares ideas that all revolve around fantastical ships with fantastically impractical fits for anything but 1 v 1, in enclosed areas with structured rules.
Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal cos lasers fragment when you approach them
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Quote:
So your argument is
"I have more kills than you and that makes me more right than you but i wont tell you under what character i have more kills"?
NO
Well then why do you go on harping about kills and not posting with your main?
There are a few reasons to withhold your main.
1. You don't have a main other than Murina 2. You're trolling and don't want repercussions falling on your main 3. Your main does not live up to the web you have created
There is no reason to withhold your main if you're being honest.
And you certainly are arguing that your prodigious kill count warrants you to be considered an authority. (if you were not, you would not be arguing with kill counts with Nightmare, you would instead be arguing that his kills are irrelevant, which you are not doing).
So, which of the three is it?
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2009 14:09:52
Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 06/02/2009 20:32:52
Originally by: Captator
Post your main's killboard stats if they are so awesome, I wonder how many of those kills are 'solo', and unless the gangs are very small, gang kills mean very little. I don't fly fleets any more, if I did, getting large numbers of recorded kills wouldn't be hard.
My main cannot post atm but i do not hide it ever. <- this
Fleets such suck although i have been in a few over the years, my figures have suffered recently as i took a lot of time off (almost a year) to move house and start a new business but im sure if you troll through them all you will find plenty of kills in ALL forms of pvp...I prefer smallish high spec gang pvp but i have pretty much done it all over the years.
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-sophisticatedlimabean-kills.html
The board only goes back to 2005 unfortunately.
Now stfu and let the grown ups talk.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2009 14:09:52
Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 06/02/2009 20:32:52
Originally by: Captator
Post your main's killboard stats if they are so awesome, I wonder how many of those kills are 'solo', and unless the gangs are very small, gang kills mean very little. I don't fly fleets any more, if I did, getting large numbers of recorded kills wouldn't be hard.
My main cannot post atm but i do not hide it ever. <- this
Fleets such suck although i have been in a few over the years, my figures have suffered recently as i took a lot of time off (almost a year) to move house and start a new business but im sure if you troll through them all you will find plenty of kills in ALL forms of pvp...I prefer smallish high spec gang pvp but i have pretty much done it all over the years.
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-sophisticatedlimabean-kills.html
The board only goes back to 2005 unfortunately.
Now stfu and let the grown ups talk.
TOLD YA IT WAS ALREADY ON HERE.... |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
1 v 1 BS probabilities that have no place on TQ anymore.
1. This is not true 2. No one is arguing the ships should be balanced around 1v1.
Quote: And nightmares ideas that all revolve around fantastical ships with fantastically impractical fits for anything but 1 v 1, in enclosed areas with structured rules.
Do they? What are his fits? Arguing that sisi performs differently than TQ is one thing. Arguing that he is wrong because of it is another. Granted, he is pretty terrible. But he might not be as terrible as you, that is up in the air.
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And who my main is and the thousands of kills he has in gang combat in TQ ECT eve does not effect either of those points.
Indeed it does not, so why do you keep bringing it up? |
Murina
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Murina
Quote:
So your argument is
"I have more kills than you and that makes me more right than you but i wont tell you under what character i have more kills"?
NO
Well then why do you go on harping about kills and not posting with your main?
There are a few reasons to withhold your main.
1. You don't have a main other than Murina 2. You're trolling and don't want repercussions falling on your main 3. Your main does not live up to the web you have created
4 my main account is not able to post at the moment
5 I have already posted the details of who my main is on this very thread (see above)
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2009 14:25:36 btw. muria.. you've killed plenty of amarr overpowered ships in 08.. there's even 3 on the same page in some cases.. primarily abaddons and apoc's..
but i guess you're right.. lasers are f'ing overpowered and they must've fallen asleep at the helm and forgot to turn on their OMGLAZORS.
or isn't the fact simply that you want midrange blasters so that you have to move even less at the gatecamp whilst taking them down i wonder...
what a farce..
and sure.. amarr gets on a lot of killmails but i can't help but suggest that it has a little bit more to do with amarr being able to hit further out with less dps (scorch) (which can easily be remedied by a single tracking disruptor) and thus able to get on more KM's (since they don't have to move that much) and do more dps over time so it looks like they deal massive inflicted dps in a short period of time.. which is simply not the case. |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
TOLD YA IT WAS ALREADY ON HERE....
You'll excuse me for not reading all of the tripe that has been spewed in this thread.
Also, confirm it. |
Murina
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
1 v 1 BS probabilities that have no place on TQ anymore.
Originally by: Goumindong 1. This is not true 2. No one is arguing the ships should be balanced around 1v1.
How a BS performs in a 1 v 1 fight with another BS is not a important factor on TQ and certainly not a basis for balancing them for use on TQ.
Originally by: Murina And nightmares ideas that all revolve around fantastical ships with fantastically impractical fits for anything but 1 v 1, in enclosed areas with structured rules.
Originally by: Goumindong Do they? What are his fits?
When you start a comment with "everybody else fits +5% implants on sissi so why shouldnt i" and then go on about "my experiences in my pvp kronos vs gangs" its not worth listening after that as reality on TQ is out the window.
Tell me im wrong?. |
NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Murina And if i ever become so pathetic that i need to sit on sissi in a marauder fitted with +5% implants ect to win a few 1 v 1 or even 1 v 3 or 4 ect fights il call you.
Again, when does a +5 implant have to do with PVP?. |
Murina
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 troll
Go away liar. |
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