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Cpt Advile
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:10:00 -
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I created a website 4 it |
Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:21:00 -
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I agree, and i suggested that too some time ago. |
Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jana Clant on 04/02/2009 21:23:41 The idea behind the lack of flak turrets on capital ships is to give cap pilots a reason to fly with an escort fleet. While I agree that capital ships shouldn't be completely powerless against a lone frigate, it would have to be very well balanced to ensure they don't become solopwnmobiles either.
One thought (and I'm borrowing from homeworld/freespace 2 here) is the addition of a new class ship, bombers. These ships carry warheads that do lots of damage to capital ships and they are also resistant to flak turret fire. However, they can very easily be destroyed by any ship fitted for an anti-frigate role. |
Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:24:00 -
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Because fitting drones is too hard? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:26:00 -
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The dread was propably honor tanked and piloted by mister e-bay, if it died to a frigate. |
Cpt Advile
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:27:00 -
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I mean sure u can bring like dronebay full of t2 med drones... they are quite effective against a lonely frig pilot, but what about a 4 frig and a cruiser gang... the frigs would just mwd the drones around while the others kill them and then the capital would be totally defenseless. |
Kiviar
Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:30:00 -
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I agree in terms of logic that battleships and above should be able to counter smaller targets. I mean they can in real life.
However, in terms of gameplay it would just create a situation where those ships are just strictly superior. It would be much like before tracking was put in, and you could just smear frigates and cruisers across the galaxy with your large turrets.
In the end though, the small ship problem can just be solved by not flying alone. ---
Certified elite hull tanker. |
Cpt Advile
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Advile on 04/02/2009 21:37:53 I just thought this made sense as eve is trying to become as "real" as a a MMORPG could be. I'm sure minds in CCP can come up with something that good for both solo peeps, blob peeps and so on.
Tho yes I can see potential problems already... more lagg, BS'es coming more powerful etc etc... but isn't that the point? Then u just have to fly a cruiser if u wanna kill a BS or a capital, what is totally normal.
Leave frigs for scouting and killing ships up to a BC + hulks and stuff... what is again... perfectly normal. -------------------------------------------- Captain: Scotty, boost amarr laser power... CCP Scotty: I cannot' change the laws of physics. (Stay tuned for next episode where we pre-nerf ur boost) |
Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:39:00 -
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I think Flak Cannons are a great idea for Cap ships at least. The trick is to make them fairly weak. So they could slowly chip away at a decent frig tank, but not one shot frigs. Make it so that a carrier could take out a frig with flack cannons, but make it take 20 minutes on the average frig, or 60 minutes for the average cruiser. This won't throw off any balances, and will make frig/carrier battles less ridiculous. --
There are 10 kinds of people in this world; Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:48:00 -
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A dread popped by a frig alone?
Tell me it didn't happen in game |
Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gloria Stitz A dread popped by a frig alone?
Tell me it didn't happen in game
I'm sure he was just making his point by means of hyperbole. |
Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:53:00 -
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I think the OP is just stating that it's ridiculous that a frig can lock down a dread forever, and dreads can do nothing at all about it. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/02/2009 21:57:02
Quote: Is it logical that a battleship pilot is more afraid of a ceptor pilot then ceptor of a battleship?
uhh... yes, yes it is.
That's the ships purpose. It's an interceptor. Just think about it, smaller fast ships can avoid large ship fire.
That said capital ships could have flak cannons if you wanted... but battleships? no. An interceptors should be able to completely lock down a lone battleship.
Also if you give battleships flak cannons remove their ability to field small drones.
edit: I think you need to stick with frigates or interceptors as your example. Because if your whole thing was sticking to just frigates, then I would agree with you. Frigates should be afraid of battleships. Interceptors should not, they are high class tackling machines.
also then everyone would just fly battlehsips. |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr Divinity's Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:10:00 -
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Great idea! Let's remove all incentive to fly smaller ships!
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Johann Callasan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:11:00 -
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Don't think it's going to happen anytime soon, TBH.
Point defense (which is what your "flak cannons" are, in reality) is a field in EvE that is completely and totally neglected. Intentianally so, byt he devs.
For as long as EvE has existed, there's ONE philosophy and ONE way to provide this kind of defense - and that is to give up something else in return.
It's entirely possible for a dread or supercap to fit a couple of small guns for anti-frig work - or even a smartbomb for that suprise on a close-orbiting frig. BUT< you give up some of your total DPS for it.
For missiles, well there's Defenders - and we all know how well they don't work. Give up a missile bay, can't take out a torp unless you fire THREE at once, no guarantees that you're gonna hit what you want to hit...they suck, frankly.
Again, it's not a field that CCP even wants to get into - so your "flak cannon" idea probrably won't happen. 'Sides, "Flak cannons" depend on SHRAPNEL for their damage - and shrapnel should be fairly useless against a shielded ship. Why not just use a standard small gun, in that case?
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra Because fitting drones is too hard?
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: bff Jill on 04/02/2009 22:27:24 This is what smart bombs are for, isn't it?
1. Remove supercaps
2. Explicitly state that a dread is not a spaceship but a mobile bombardment platform. Remove all expectation that it should be useful against things smaller than a station.
3. Leave carriers as the largest 'warships', which are more of a core not because of uberawesome power, but instead because their force projection and logistics abilities.
4. Increase sensor strength of marauders=P (who have the extra high slots to fit some smartbombs, maybe give them a smart bomb radius bonus too) |
WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:33:00 -
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starwars episode 4: "Sir our gun batteries cannot hit the small ships" "You, follow me, we'll kill them with tie fighters"
when the **** did a star destroyer ever kill an xwing? ah yea never |
Armoured Gamer
Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:37:00 -
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as any cap pilot should know a cap need support if it is so survive, caps are working as intended
no support , no cap it is as simple as that |
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Cpt Advile
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:59:00 -
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Quote: Make it so that a carrier could take out a frig with flack cannons, but make it take 20 minutes on the average frig
-yes they don't have to instaPOP* tho 20 minutes per ceptor is a bit too long... carrier should be able to take a strong tanked ceptor out in 10 minutes tops
Quote: That's the ships purpose. It's an interceptor. Just think about it, smaller fast ships can avoid large ship fire.
-yeah, but it should take more ceptors then 2-3 to terrorize a capital
Quote: Also if you give battleships flak cannons remove their ability to field small drones.
-agreed
Quote: Frigates should be afraid of battleships. Interceptors should not, they are high class tackling machines.
-well frigs should pop easier corse they are slower and don't have that good tank, but I think lonely ceptor should still be afraid too, or be concerned at least
Quote: Great idea! Let's remove all incentive to fly smaller ships!
-smaller ships could still: scout, kill each other, kill cruiser, kill battlecruisers, disband mining ops, run missions, explore, tackle and so on... this does not take away incentive to fly smaller ships. And cruisers would more or less tank the flak fire corse of there better overall tank
Quote: For as long as EvE has existed, there's ONE philosophy and ONE way to provide this kind of defense - and that is to give up something else in return.
-yep, mayb flak guns should have like 50% cpu penalty, so every ship could be specialized either to fleet support (smaller guns and flak) or station gank (big guns and drones)
Quote: Why not just use a standard small gun, in that case?
-yep, that's what I thought, we should be able to fit S class weapons in to flak slots and mayb get a RoF bonus to them.
The overall idea is to balance the game. It's illogical that you can kill the biggest ship with the smallest one. -------------------------------------------- Captain: Scotty, boost amarr laser power... CCP Scotty: I cannot' change the laws of physics. (Stay tuned for next episode where we pre-nerf ur boost) |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:06:00 -
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They are a bad idea, for one simple reason - the limiting factor in EVE is _not_ isks, it's pilot count. If you make a dreadnought able to kill everything, the everyone will fly dreadnoughts. It's that simple. They already have dronebays after all. -- 249km locking? |
Armoured Gamer
Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:08:00 -
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me and my alt argued over this over a hot cup of quafe and decided that op is terrible posater of ideas and so co back to roids
My main has the flu but i am still here
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Cpt Advile
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:11:00 -
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but if a carrier can pop a ceptor in 10 minutes with 4 flaks then a solo dread should be able to do the same in 13-15 minutes with 3 flaks (corse of the lower dps)
So a ceptor gang of 3 with remote reps could still annoy a dread and make it out alive, where the single frig would run in to trouble... and that's again... perfectly normal, like it should be. -------------------------------------------- Captain: Scotty, boost amarr laser power... CCP Scotty: I cannot' change the laws of physics. (Stay tuned for next episode where we pre-nerf ur boost) |
Armoured Gamer
Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Advile but if a carrier can pop a ceptor in 10 minutes with 4 flaks then a solo dread should be able to do the same in 13-15 minutes with 3 flaks (corse of the lower dps)
So a ceptor gang of 3 with remote reps could still annoy a dread and make it out alive, where the single frig would run in to trouble... and that's again... perfectly normal, like it should be.
it a dread and those 3 frigs CANT kill a properly fitted dread anyway since there DPS wont go over the cap rep it will have attacked.... just get it out of your head it is a stupid idea... this isnt star wars of babylon this is eve you need support for your cap..... this is why we see carrier being killed in belts because there ratting alone with no support
and WTF would a carrier neek flaks it has a bigerlion drone bay which should have a entire commidation of drones in it 10 small drones should easily chase away that ceptor , get in neut range bang it dead.... dreads have drone bays to
My main has the flu but i am still here
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:21:00 -
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Quote: solo pvp in a BS+ ships is 90% dead
Quote: a massive multiplayer online roleplaying space game
Find the difference.
But at least your whine has cartoons. So please continue.
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Cpt Advile
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:06:00 -
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yeah... didn't just want to whine. Mayb I'll do another one lol |
Grunanca
Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:17:00 -
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While I love Battlestar Galactica, why dont you just fit smartbombs or 1-2 small turrets/missiles if you are so afraid of missiles? Oe even better! A heavy neut so you can screw their cap by clicking one button! |
Atedar Kerane
HeXstoof
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:33:00 -
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The fact that the smallest combat ships in the game is still some kind of threat to the largest ships in the game is why I like eve so much..
Your idea is bad... |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.05 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 05/02/2009 08:37:09
Originally by: Armoured Gamer as any cap pilot should know a cap need support if it is so survive, caps are working as intended
no support , no cap it is as simple as that
moros :(
you know, your idea is kinda reminding me of my titan idea, giving titans 100s of smaller weapons fire instead of captial turrets. |
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