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Kiyamoh
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:03:00 -
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So BOB got rolled over by a director. And Goons is patting themselves on their back for a job well done. Is it really? Did they destroy BOB through tactics? strategy? straight up fighting? No. It was one BOB director who "jumped the fence" and destroyed an alliance.
Doesn't this bother anybody? And when the same thing happens to Goons, then what? Who will be the hero and who will be the villain then?
There was no victory here today. Just some player who will remain infamous for being a turncoat in a GAME. So he destroyed BOB (not goons). Big deal. Coz if there's no BOB to hate, who are you gonna fight next? I suppose Goons is the new villain in the game? And how will you feel WHEN it happens to you. After all, if it happened to BOB, it can happen to you as well. Turncoats are aplenty in this game which has no mechanics whatsoever to prevent such things from happening. Also, is this victory really all that pleasing? You go to sleep one night, wake up the next day, and your enemy ceases to exist... all because a thief stole everything and gave it to you.
I have read in numerous places in the forum of how much BOB players hate Goons and vice versa. I always thought that there was at least a measure of mutual respect between the parties recognising each other as a force to be reckoned with. But it would seem, this isn't the case. So much for the "gf" messages in local after a fight. Forget about all these false messages of respect. Maybe "stfu" after each fight is a more true expression after each fight, eh? Be honest :)
I could not help but smile whenever I pass a Goon pilot shouting "we won eve! we won eve!". Think about this: you won eve? good for you. And since you won eve, there's really nothing to play in eve anymore, is there? I mean, since you won, the game is over, rite?
So I now ask myself yet again... why play this game anymore? For small peeps like me who enjoy playing the game as a game, all this real-life political espionage and server hacking and such is really sad. Most people play this game to get away from all that real-world nonsense.
The fault really lies with CCP who has not done anything to put a stop to all this nonsense. Why should they? Drama draws more players... until people start leaving because of all the drama. A great game is headed out the window. A very unfortunate ending.
Love BOB or hate BOB. It doesn't really matter. I just hope we won't be looking back fondly in the near future thinking "BOB's downfall was the end of Eve".
P.S. Good news for CCP is that they don't have to reenforce their nodes anymore. I suspect there's not gonna be any epic fights coz there's now an all-powerful Goonswarm. |
Clenis
Wooden Wang Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:05:00 -
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Don't let the door hit you. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:07:00 -
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What is the point of Eve?
To crush your enemies...to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women! |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:07:00 -
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Bob the name is dead however the entity that used to be bob is alive and kicking and probably a bit ****y atm. Meanwhile the forces of darkness plot their smash and grab ops to take advantage of the system sov being nullified. There is going to be some fierce fighting in the coming days unless Goonswarm or others just sit and spin as they let bob regroup and get its sov back. Will be interesting times indeed. |
Mikal Drey
Minmatar Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake What is the point of Eve?
To crush your enemies...to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women!
Cake > Pie |
Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:08:00 -
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I don't care much for politics. I like to play the game. It's fun! |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:08:00 -
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There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
Originally by: Rodj Blake What is the point of Eve?
To crush your enemies...to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women!
Cake > Pie
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Leaving Eve
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:11:00 -
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Looks like I'm going to be busy around here for a while |
Selenica Draper
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:11:00 -
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**** happens that seems unfair in Eve just the same as it does in real life. |
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Clenis
Wooden Wang Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.
And the opposite of a victory that is your posting. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:12:00 -
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My alliance is dead?!
No wait...just kidding
But seriously, BOB no more? What? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:12:00 -
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Do you think the people involved just turned in to vapor and disappeared? It sounds like you do, which means you either are an idiot, have no idea how EVE works or are just trolling. |
Arthur Rage
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Rage on 05/02/2009 12:13:18
Originally by: Rodj Blake What is the point of Eve?
To crush your enemies...to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women!
So you somehow missed the lack of pewpew around the fall of BoB, so it s*cks and is totally lame. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Clenis
Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.
And the opposite of a victory that is your posting.
Retyping what I just said doesn't make you clever. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones My alliance is dead?!
No wait...just kidding
But seriously, BOB no more? What?
Enjoy the read. |
Clenis
Wooden Wang Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Clenis
Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.
And the opposite of a victory that is your posting.
Retyping what I just said doesn't make you clever.
You're in Battlestars. I daresay the mighty forum warriors of Dice have you outclassed. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:21:00 -
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Quote: And when the same thing happens to Goons, then what?
it has |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Sheriff Jones My alliance is dead?!
No wait...just kidding
But seriously, BOB no more? What?
Enjoy the read.
Hmm. I don't know how to feel.
Though, moo is dead etc etc etc...*adds bob to list*...guess we keep on trucking. |
Vincent Death
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Rage Edited by: Arthur Rage on 05/02/2009 12:13:18
Originally by: Rodj Blake What is the point of Eve?
To crush your enemies...to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women!
So you somehow missed the lack of pewpew around the fall of BoB, so it s*cks and is totally lame.
Yeah, being able to do things like this in a sandbox mmo is completely rubbish and CCP should immediately curtail all activity that does not involve simply pew pewing each other ad naseum so we can all have more fun.
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Jekaterine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jekaterine on 05/02/2009 12:26:33
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Mikal Drey
Originally by: Rodj Blake What is the point of Eve?
To crush your enemies...to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women!
Cake > Pie
There,there Rodj. No need to fret we all know that the cake is a lie thus pie>cake since cake does not exist. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:29:00 -
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Oh yeah, on the topic, i think you'll find the point of the game is just that
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
seriously, i could care less on either side here...
but that is the biggest line of bull**** i've ever heard in my life
'cultural victory'
btw. wtf is goons proud of? a bob director killed their alliance, you didn't do A N Y T H I N G
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Rekindle
Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:32:00 -
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hes the Gada of eve -------------------------------------------
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:34:00 -
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had a conversation with a friend a few hours ago that is part of an alliance. he pointed out the stuff that the op did.
of course it was a cheap win. no one beat bob to death, they cheesed them out of the game. however they destroyed bob with an in game feature. its not goons fault they pulled the trigger first. I doubt bob would have hesitated to do the same to goons. IF they did have the ability but passed, thats on bob, not goons.
i can't give 2 ****s about either alliance as i have no ties to either. i have no sympathy for bob. unless bob for some reason didn't use spies and other crap i find to be wrong with the game, then i cannot have sympathy as i would have to believe that they would have done the same if given the chance.
its like newscasters trying to drum up sympathy for a dead gang member that was shot on the street. both are a disgrace, both need to just die or clean up their act. BOTH would have shot the other first,second,third and last had they gotten the jump on the other. one killed the other and I'm supposed to care? kill them all and be done with it. so basically i expect goons to fall next.
The problem is that ccp has left this as an in game feature. spying, stealing and cheating are fair game, its the "cold reality of eve" that they feed us. CCP could have fixed the loopholes if it wanted but patching vulnerabilities doesn't generate drama.
well, i doubt ccp saw this coming ahead of time. i doubt its going to be good for bussiness no matter what way they rule. if they go for leaving bob as is, bob players are going to leave with their alts. if they rule in bob's favor then a lot of random players will get up and leave.
I don't want to play a game where a certain group of players get special treatment for any reason. chribba-gate rightfully ****ed of players that saw it as 1 person getting special rights in game. that was 1 person with a harmless capship so imagine the questions that will arise if ccp revives bob and basically rolls the server back a few days?
if ccp wants to fix that feature that was working as intended but is no longer convientient then they can. however bringing bob back will be a blow internally,meaning the player base as well as a bad PR move. gamers considering eve will think twice about bothering since the developer will be seen as favoring a group of players over others , basically making them invincible.
either way ccp is going to lose accounts, its just how does ccp want to be seen in a week? do they want to be seen as devs of a game with a harsh reality, permanent losses and treachery built into the game? OR do they want to be seen as the wannabe wow in space game developers? all of the years of the devs and the player base selling eve as a cutthroat mmo gets flushed down the toilet.
unless someone hacked an account or the game, i believe bob is going to have to stay dead for the good of eve. it sucks for bob players of course but i doubt bob was a saint when it came to metagaming and buying off players in high places.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 05/02/2009 12:46:24
Originally by: Kiyamoh So I now ask myself yet again... why play this game anymore? For small peeps like me who enjoy playing the game as a game, all this real-life political espionage and server hacking and such is really sad. Most people play this game to get away from all that real-world nonsense.
The beauty of EVE is that you don't have to choose. If you want to play the game without espionage and politics, then go ahead and do so. If you want to play the game with those things, then go ahead and do so. If you don't want to take part in the politics of EVE, then nothing about what has just happened will matter in the slightest to you.
If you, as a non-political player think "why play this game anymore" as a result of something you're not interested in, then the problem isn't with the turn of evets but with your disinterest in (or lack of understading of) the game itself.
Quote: The fault really lies with CCP who has not done anything to put a stop to all this nonsense.
No, the fault lies with you for being upset over nothing.
edit: To answer your question: why play this game anymore? Exactly because it allows this kind of thing, which makes it probably the most outstanding and unique game on the market today. If I ever thought it was going stale (massive updates and expansions aside), today's events prove me wrong. |
Gaia Thorn
Villains
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:46:00 -
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OII am the Villain in this story !!!!!!!!! |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:51:00 -
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What is the point of EVE? The real point of EVE? To get online and play with your buds. Or against them (maby not yor buds ^^).
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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:55:00 -
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Finally this happens to someone like BoB..
Have had this happen twice in my EvE career..
I remember petitioning one of the situations to CCP and of course they couldn't/wouldn't do anything cause they allow spies (Bad Game Mechanics) to ruin this game..
Thank you Goons for doing this to BoB.. I feel better about what happened to my corp/alliance in the past.
Good riddance to BoB..
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Cereah
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:08:00 -
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How are industrial espionage and white collar crime in a game a bad game mechanic? Sounds like they have all the bases covered.
That said enough with the stupid questions, if you want to know log in to the damn game and look for christs sake. Its right at the top of the news on the login screen at the moment. YES CCP IS REPORTING ON IT. Nor are they fixing anything that isnt broken. |
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Eben Rochelle
Gallente Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Leaving Eve Looks like I'm going to be busy around here for a while
I love you
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Sturdy Girl
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:15:00 -
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What is the point in life in general?
The point of the game is because you have nothing better to do (if one genuinely had something better to do one wouldn't play).
The same point as all other things.
Eg: What you make of it. Or: Pointless.
Are you happy now you have a complete and accurate answer to your question?
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:17:00 -
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Poor game design or real world simulation?
Disgruntled Senator John W. Warner disbanded the United States of America and trademarked the name for future personal use.
Right. - - -
Originally by: CCP Prism X I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.
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Cereah
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic Poor game design or real world simulation?
Disgruntled Senator John W. Warner disbanded the United States of America and trademarked the name for future personal use.
Right.
Thats no real world example. Why do you think most businesses have a conflict of interest clause in their paperwork.
You get hired by McDonalds. (bout the most you can handle I know) They say you cant work for anymore fast food joints because thats a conflict of interest. You will tell them our secrets!!!! You go ahead and fill in your part time hours with more part time at burger king. OMG burger king now has mcdonalds secrets.
Put that up to management. Or even corporation level (ie EVE). Vice President in charge of nuggets sells out to BK. Gives up the secret sauce recipe because he's best friends with the sauce guy, helps make it secret sometimes too.
THAT is a more real world example than congress disbanding apart LOL
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic Poor game design or real world simulation?
Disgruntled Senator John W. Warner disbanded the United States of America and trademarked the name for future personal use.
Right.
BOB = USA, c/d?
RL comparisons FTL . Better tools to manage these organisations is required, but don't underestimate the power of betrayal and stupidity. There is no obstacle they can't overcome.
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rastigan on 05/02/2009 13:32:41 Please BoB has been using meta-gaming for ages. They have used spies to kill titans, back when titans were unkillable. Spies to untick sov to quickly capture two station systems. Infiltrated forums, disrupted/listened in on voice coms, they would POS bowl with titans knocking ships out of the shields.
They have used or abused any and all game mechanics possible, HA-****ing-HA to them for getting themselves kicked in the crotch by a legitimate game mechanic, they've reaped what they've sowed.
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Lazuran
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyamoh
The fault really lies with CCP who has not done anything to put a stop to all this nonsense. Why should they? Drama draws more players... until people start leaving because of all the drama. A great game is headed out the window. A very unfortunate ending.
EVE is the only game on the market where metagaming is so effective. I don't know if this is a USP and intentional, but personally I'd try to fix it because it's not much fun to play an MMO where the efforts of hundreds/thousands of people can get wasted by 1 single hacker/turncoat/spy without any real effort and without any repercussions (whether you consider it realistic or not does not matter, in RL you won't just cancel your subscription because it sucks).
It's the same thing with people who blow up one disposable alt after another to cirvumvent hi sec restrictions etc., CCP is really a bit slow to react to such imbalances.
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Cereah
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rastigan Edited by: Rastigan on 05/02/2009 13:32:41 Please BoB has been using meta-gaming for ages. They have used spies to kill titans, back when titans were unkillable. Spies to untick sov to quickly capture two station systems. Infiltrated forums, disrupted/listened in on voice coms, they would POS bowl with titans knocking ships out of the shields.
They have used or abused any and all game mechanics possible, HA-****ing-HA to them for getting themselves kicked in the crotch by a legitimate game mechanic, they've reaped what they've sowed.
^^ +1 Full of win.
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Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:36:00 -
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Say what you want about fairness/etc, at the very least its the most exciting event that's happened in Eve (due to the massive land grab/fighting about to go down) that I can remember.
What's the point of Eve? To have fun of course. The only people I feel somewhat sorry for is people who got bounced out of their shields or can't redock to empty their hangars. The actual occupation of land is meant to be dynamic.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Free Ammatar Aid Organisation
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:40:00 -
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Whats the point in anything!
*kills self* |
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rastigan they've reaped what they've sowed.
You do know that Goonswarm members smacking a deceased BOB member in local started the hostilities between Bob and Goonswarm?
Long before Bob pulled off anything Goons were killing servers with their newb ship swarms.
Stop washing your hands in innocence.
Anyway I wasnt defending Bob or it's actions in past or present, just saying that it's poor game mechanics. A corp can't be disbanded like this, why can an alliance where the stakes are much higher?
And to the guy making the MacDonalds vs. Burger King reference.... This would be like some director on the board on either company disbanding the company without a shareholders vote/approval from the board and then claiming the brands for himself. |
Rotnac
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rastigan Edited by: Rastigan on 05/02/2009 13:32:41 Please BoB has been using meta-gaming for ages. They have used spies to kill titans, back when titans were unkillable. Spies to untick sov to quickly capture two station systems. Infiltrated forums, disrupted/listened in on voice coms, they would POS bowl with titans knocking ships out of the shields.
They have used or abused any and all game mechanics possible, HA-****ing-HA to them for getting themselves kicked in the crotch by a legitimate game mechanic, they've reaped what they've sowed.
Got to agree. Not that we haven't been douches on occasion. But BoB got so hurf blurf serious that they would exploit every minor issue with every game mechanic to get a leg up. We just happened to essentially beat them at their own game this once. So, ha. And the land grab coming up will be hella exciting. |
Lazuran
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rotnac
Got to agree. Not that we haven't been douches on occasion. But BoB got so hurf blurf serious that they would exploit every minor issue with every game mechanic to get a leg up. We just happened to essentially beat them at their own game this once. So, ha. And the land grab coming up will be hella exciting.
EVE online, a game about metagaming and patting yourself on the back on the forums.
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:59:00 -
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if i hated bob before i now are on bobs side... winning a fight like goons did make me turn around and wanna kick goon meta****ers.. let em hack and exploit my guns... seem they cant fight for real... and have to use foul tactics..
i hope molle fast make new alliance that more people can join and **** up. however i understand if it will only be harder to join into bob corps now.. the lvl where spying etc is needed have reached a LAME level.
ccp should do somehting about how u disband corps/alliances...
theres a reason shares are made... like... use the damn shares to even be able to close down an alliance..
goons are lamers... |
Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kuranta on 05/02/2009 14:01:01
Originally by: Lazuran EVE is the only game on the market where metagaming is so effective. I don't know if this is a USP and intentional, but personally I'd try to fix it because it's not much fun to play an MMO where the efforts of hundreds/thousands of people can get wasted by 1 single hacker/turncoat/spy without any real effort and without any repercussions (whether you consider it realistic or not does not matter, in RL you won't just cancel your subscription because it sucks).
It's the same thing with people who blow up one disposable alt after another to cirvumvent hi sec restrictions etc., CCP is really a bit slow to react to such imbalances.
Corptheft with alts and stuff like that happens to MANY corps daily. Now that a MEMBER of BoB decided to be a traitor it's suddenly bad? Maybe BoB Leadership shouldn't have upset him.
Originally by: Rastigan Edited by: Rastigan on 05/02/2009 13:32:41 Please BoB has been using meta-gaming for ages. They have used spies to kill titans, back when titans were unkillable. Spies to untick sov to quickly capture two station systems. Infiltrated forums, disrupted/listened in on voice coms, they would POS bowl with titans knocking ships out of the shields.
They have used or abused any and all game mechanics possible, HA-****ing-HA to them for getting themselves kicked in the crotch by a legitimate game mechanic, they've reaped what they've sowed.
And this. |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.
And then there is a total failure who is only wasting oxygen, that is you. |
Brodde Dim
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2009.02.05 14:14:00 -
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This drama is no reason to quit.
The goal for goons in eve, is to make people quit. (Same goes for every other game where they have any organized activity).
Since eve is pretty harsh compared to other online games, the people who enjoy it are not so easily discouraged by griefers. There will be tears, a couple of rage quits, but this is every day life in eve.
This has made it really hard for goons to achieve anything.
Its not that they havent tried, it just hasnt resulted in anything particular.
- They have tried to dominate 0.0 by zerg tactics and superior numbers, and failed badly every time.
- They openly try to scam/rob/grief everyone, supporter or not. But this is how eve works, and nobody cares. No matter how hard they try, its not getting them the attention they seek.
- They have tried ganking miners in high sec, with very little result, except for an increased awareness of the lack of security in high sec, and a small boost to the geddon and hulk markets.
- They have tried every meta gaming tactic possible, including attacking CCP, eve-online forums, other corps and alliances sites and forums, etc. This has had mixed results. Giving them some sympathy in a few cases, and losing it in others. Mostly it is just ignored or forgotten very soon.
- Every kind of exploitable bug/game mechanic has been used thorougly offcourse. Often for a long while before it becomes general knowledge and gets fixed.
- They even tried evolving the alliance, and becoming serious, playing the game. Even trying to deny the heritage from SA and their intentions to ruin the game. This has lead them to become boring, and stale. Rumour is many goons got bored and moved to other games instead for a while.
- This list could use a couple of posts on its own.
- The only thing they really have achieved is setting the standard for the CAOD forum.
Offcourse they will take the credit for when a BoB director decides to make a dramatic exit from the alliance. There is a lot of attention to get here. Even if goons didnt take part in it, they are sworn enemies of BoB, (who crushed them atleast once). And connecting the corp theft to goons did offcourse increase the drama.
In the end I dont think this will matter much either. Goons are still no threat to eve. BoB will have a tough time setting everything up again, with the amount of logistics and administraion involved. And they will have to fight off real threats like PL, TCF etc. who will with no doubt use this opportunity. Stirring things up a bit in sov. 0.0 is a good thing. It has been stale for a while.
Maybe this will lead CCP to rework how corps/alliances are administrated. Maybe introducing optional safety, making it less easy for 1 character to do this kind of damage. Maybe requiring a board of directors input, some kind of vote, or even a predefined policy for the alliance/corp. on how to handle huge changes. Maybe nothing will change.
TL;DR: Goons wants you (and everyone else) to quit, this thread is goon ****ography. Goons achieve nothing, but are quick to take credit. This drama is sweet attention.
I hope I dont upset any low level goons who havent been introduced to the goon agenda.
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SeismicForce
Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:04:00 -
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The majority of the subscribers quite honestly couldn't give a hoot, they will just carry on with missioning / mining / trading as they always have. As has often been said most of the 200k subs are in empire anyway, and quite a few of those in 0.0 didn't have anything to do with bob/goons.
So life goes on as normal for most. |
MidnightMartyr
Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:38:00 -
[49]
Personally I think that events like this make EVE unlike any other MMO that I've ever played. I love that this can happen. You don't HAVE to get involved in this political stuff. I don't and I'm perfectly content with my current activities.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:30:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Whats the point in anything!
*kills self*
*silently takes Rhatar's stuffz*
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:33:00 -
[51]
Point of playing the game is to lose it.
and i lost. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:37:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Concorduck Point of playing the game is to lose it.
and i lost.
with a haircut like that...who would have ever guessed!!!
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Malphilos
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
That is the spin, though no one spinning seems to be able to explain what that is.
Seems like a continuation of the day one culture to me.
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:40:00 -
[54]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.
One guy switching sides is not a cultural victory. One man does not make a culture. |
Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:40:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kiyamoh So I now ask myself yet again... why play this game anymore? For small peeps like me who enjoy playing the game as a game, all this real-life political espionage and server hacking and such is really sad. Most people play this game to get away from all that real-world nonsense.
For me, it's like a soap opera on multiple forums and they are both bad guys. I don't really care who gets poked in the eye because it's all good for me. In game they don't effect how I play in the least.
So let em tear each other a new one every other Tuesday till the end of time cause I'll be there with bells on, eating my popcorn and enjoying the show. |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:42:00 -
[56]
Originally by: nether void
Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.
One guy switching sides is not a cultural victory. One man does not make a culture.
but it does perfectly strike executor corp wreaking for alliance disbanding |
The Tzar
Malicious Intentions The Church.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:45:00 -
[57]
Hmmm, perhaps justice has been served for all the lagbombs and devhax BoB freely admitted were in use.
Live by metagaming, die by metagaming.
I want to see a picture of Molle eating that pink fluffy hat with some bbq sauce. |
nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:51:00 -
[58]
One thing is for sure, CCP is going to lose money due to sub cancellations. No doubt. |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:53:00 -
[59]
Originally by: nether void One thing is for sure, CCP is going to lose money due to sub cancellations. No doubt.
keep going, i need those laughts |
nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:57:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Concorduck
Originally by: nether void One thing is for sure, CCP is going to lose money due to sub cancellations. No doubt.
keep going, i need those laughts
I think it's pretty funny you don't see it. Else you are just trolling me, and it doesn't matter what I reply with. |
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:59:00 -
[61]
May we all live in interesting times. |
Henricus Gaufridus
Amarr The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:10:00 -
[62]
BoB was, at one point, viewed as an unstoppable juggernaut that would simply grow until it enveloped all of 0.0 space. I remember the rumors circulating about the reasons for BoB's seemingly unstoppable growth.
Eve is wonderful in that nothing is truly unstoppable. Something unexpected can always take you down. Alliances are born and die. Huge, powerful, long-established alliances collapse often. Love Goons or hate them, what they did was legitimate (it wasn't "nice") and the universe won't stop functioning because of it.
Originally by: Kiyamoh Love BOB or hate BOB. It doesn't really matter. I just hope we won't be looking back fondly in the near future thinking "BOB's downfall was the end of Eve".
P.S. Good news for CCP is that they don't have to reenforce their nodes anymore. I suspect there's not gonna be any epic fights coz there's now an all-powerful Goonswarm.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:15:00 -
[63]
Originally by: nether void
Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.
One guy switching sides is not a cultural victory. One man does not make a culture.
The point though is that he preferred the friendship of goonswarm members more than that of his own alliance. That was the driving force behind his decision, to my knowledge. |
Feral Lady
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:20:00 -
[64]
In the larger sense, CCP are careless game designers for constructing an interface that lets this happen. No vote, no cooling off period, nothing. Pathetic
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:21:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: nether void
Originally by: An Anarchyyt There is a large cultural victory here.
And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.
And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.
One guy switching sides is not a cultural victory. One man does not make a culture.
The point though is that he preferred the friendship of goonswarm members more than that of his own alliance. That was the driving force behind his decision, to my knowledge.
When you backstab your old friends, and your new friends are ok with that, are they really your friends? Kind of like when a chick cheats on her current dude to be with you and then leaves him for you. Don't you think she'll be cheating on you soon enough? --------------------
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Gina Torres
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:49:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Gina Torres on 05/02/2009 17:49:46
Originally by: Kiyamoh
Doesn't this bother anybody? And when the same thing happens to Goons, then what? Who will be the hero and who will be the villain then?
tl;dr anything else here.
But, to this point, Goons pretty much require your Social Security Number before you are ever put into a position of power like that. BoB got sloppy, lazy, and didn't take care of their own. The alliance was a mess and it was only a matter of time anyway. |
Strel Samodelkin
Caldari Nationalist Party
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:57:00 -
[67]
Sounds to me like they had it coming, with the whole BPO scandal and being granted support from a former employee of CCP to give them an unfair advantage. This will be celebrated by the majority of Eve players. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:20:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Brodde Dim This drama is no reason to quit.
The goal for goons in eve, is to make people quit. (Same goes for every other game where they have any organized activity).
Since eve is pretty harsh compared to other online games, the people who enjoy it are not so easily discouraged by griefers. There will be tears, a couple of rage quits, but this is every day life in eve.
This has made it really hard for goons to achieve anything.
Its not that they havent tried, it just hasnt resulted in anything particular.
- They have tried to dominate 0.0 by zerg tactics and superior numbers, and failed badly every time.
- They openly try to scam/rob/grief everyone, supporter or not. But this is how eve works, and nobody cares. No matter how hard they try, its not getting them the attention they seek.
- They have tried ganking miners in high sec, with very little result, except for an increased awareness of the lack of security in high sec, and a small boost to the geddon and hulk markets.
- They have tried every meta gaming tactic possible, including attacking CCP, eve-online forums, other corps and alliances sites and forums, etc. This has had mixed results. Giving them some sympathy in a few cases, and losing it in others. Mostly it is just ignored or forgotten very soon.
- Every kind of exploitable bug/game mechanic has been used thorougly offcourse. Often for a long while before it becomes general knowledge and gets fixed.
- They even tried evolving the alliance, and becoming serious, playing the game. Even trying to deny the heritage from SA and their intentions to ruin the game. This has lead them to become boring, and stale. Rumour is many goons got bored and moved to other games instead for a while.
- This list could use a couple of posts on its own.
- The only thing they really have achieved is setting the standard for the CAOD forum.
Offcourse they will take the credit for when a BoB director decides to make a dramatic exit from the alliance. There is a lot of attention to get here. Even if goons didnt take part in it, they are sworn enemies of BoB, (who crushed them atleast once). And connecting the corp theft to goons did offcourse increase the drama.
In the end I dont think this will matter much either. Goons are still no threat to eve. BoB will have a tough time setting everything up again, with the amount of logistics and administraion involved. And they will have to fight off real threats like PL, TCF etc. who will with no doubt use this opportunity. Stirring things up a bit in sov. 0.0 is a good thing. It has been stale for a while.
Maybe this will lead CCP to rework how corps/alliances are administrated. Maybe introducing optional safety, making it less easy for 1 character to do this kind of damage. Maybe requiring a board of directors input, some kind of vote, or even a predefined policy for the alliance/corp. on how to handle huge changes. Maybe nothing will change.
TL;DR: Goons wants you (and everyone else) to quit, this thread is goon ****ography. Goons achieve nothing, but are quick to take credit. This drama is sweet attention.
I hope I dont upset any low level goons who havent been introduced to the goon agenda.
Just quoting this because i might have posted something similar. |
Cereah
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:03:00 -
[69]
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: Rastigan they've reaped what they've sowed.
And to the guy making the MacDonalds vs. Burger King reference.... This would be like some director on the board on either company disbanding the company without a shareholders vote/approval from the board and then claiming the brands for himself.
Given the power to do so, it would happen. Thats the point. I Cant just up and disband my whole alliance, I DONT HAVE THE POWER TO DO IT. You have to be appointed, promoted whatever to get to the point where you can do something such as that. You dont just get invited to a corp, be made grand poohba of alliance decisions and thats it. This is not real life so real life comparisons, especially one of senators of the USA. In this game, to get promoted to something you have, or at least SHOULD, trust the person you are giving the power to. If you dont trust them, or dont really know them then who's the stupid one. Quit saying its a screwed up game mechanic, its a screwed up person's mechanics. Consider it stealing, whatever. Its the person, not the game. |
Benny Broadband
Fulcrum Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:11:00 -
[70]
Whats the point of playing the game, that was the question right.
I play because my girlfriend ran of with my best friend and she also took the dog.....but now she has come back, well sort of, she comes over 3 times a week for an hour or 2 and has some fun, and she brings cakes and cookies and stuff, and it kinda interferes with my game play a bit and then yesterday when she was here and I was afk one of the directors in my alliance made some changes and then ............ wait, what was the question again.... |
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:11:00 -
[71]
wah wah ****ing wah don't come back |
Ana Vyr
DB - LJ Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 20:38:00 -
[72]
For a game that claims to be as hardcore as it gets, featuring no-holds barred piracy and intrigue, there could not be a better way to advertize that fact than what just happened in the EVE community.
The vultures are feeding on the corpse as we speak. For the first time since I began playing EvE I wanted to get involved in nullsec activities today.
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:04:00 -
[73]
Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Whats the point in anything!
*kills self*
*silently takes Rhatar's stuffz*
Oh god, how this made me laugh! Way too much seriousness abounding online today.
That said, the first time I ever heard about EVE was in a PC Gamer article detailing the GHSC assassination of some corp. Granted, that was lots of man hours destroyed by lots of man hours (although still not equivalent man hours), whereas this was lots of game hours destroyed by ****ing off the wrong person. Yes, mechanics could be changed to prevent this, but while the mechanic existed, I would avoid giving anyone that much power, and if you do give someone that much power, send them cookies or something every once in a while to keep their morale up. Otherwise, you're risking a lot, and risk in EVE is generally associated with huge losses (something that's always been true).
Then again, I'm a noob, and a nobody. Maybe I'm wrong in assuming that risk management is part of EVE.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:13:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kiyamoh So I now ask myself yet again... why play this game anymore?
Becoz we alle liek to take sutuff? |
Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:13:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Rotnac
Got to agree. Not that we haven't been douches on occasion. But BoB got so hurf blurf serious that they would exploit every minor issue with every game mechanic to get a leg up. We just happened to essentially beat them at their own game this once. So, ha. And the land grab coming up will be hella exciting.
EVE online, a game about metagaming and patting yourself on the back on the forums.
Eve online, a game about having your own tricks used against you and then crying on the forums with alts about it.
NOM NOM NOM NOM your tears are so sweet. |
Crackuji
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:20:00 -
[76]
SINCE YOU'VE BEEN GONE! SINCE YOU'VE BEEN GONE, OUT OF MY HEAD CAN'T TAKE IT |
Sirez Cartwright
Caldari Gallente Mining and Manufacturing Inc Cloud 7 Nebulosa
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:29:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Sirez Cartwright on 05/02/2009 21:31:28
Originally by: Cereah You get hired by McDonalds. (bout the most you can handle I know) They say you cant work for anymore fast food joints because thats a conflict of interest. You will tell them our secrets!!!! You go ahead and fill in your part time hours with more part time at burger king. OMG burger king now has mcdonalds secrets.
Put that up to management. Or even corporation level (ie EVE). Vice President in charge of nuggets sells out to BK. Gives up the secret sauce recipe because he's best friends with the sauce guy, helps make it secret sometimes too.
THAT is a more real world example than congress disbanding apart LOL
Please do us a favor and never, ever attempt to make real world comparisons again. I just about broke my desk from the sheer amount of times I slammed my forehead into it from that atrocious attempt at making a point.
Not saying comparing BoB to the United States of America is much better, but... just wow.
Kids, it could happen to anyone, corporate espionage happens. Give enough power to a single person, and who knows what the hell could happen. There's no such thing as completely safe. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:33:00 -
[78]
Point of playing the game?
This makes me want to come back.
EVE doesn't need an expansion to show that it is alive and kicking.
As for broken administrative procedures, if they really are broken they will be fixed due to this huge event. You know, like how these things get fixed in real life. |
ddr800
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:33:00 -
[79]
So basically They destroyed BOB and in thier little foresight and for-planning have destroyed the goons too.
The goons will never hold together with out bob to make enemies friends. The only thing that has held the goons together for so long a simple motto ôAn enemy of my enemy is a friendöà
I guess thatÆs out the window now and exactly what will you do begin to squabble amongst yourselves. I donÆt see the goons holding it together for 6 months with out bob to keep them in a pact of hatred.
I tell you this though i am wearing a Kevlar poncho to the next fan fair...LoL if I was ccp I would invest in those expensive airport grade metal detectors and some riot gear....ya know tear gas and few stun guns....
I am going to laugh my ass off as the goons fall apart because of this
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:52:00 -
[80]
Originally by: DrAtomic This would be like some director on the board on either company disbanding the company without a shareholders vote/approval from the board and then claiming the brands for himself.
Do i smell a change to make shares actually useful?
Big changes need shareholder approval. 75% minimum. |
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:57:00 -
[81]
Originally by: ddr800 So basically They destroyed BOB and in thier little foresight and for-planning have destroyed the goons too.
The goons will never hold together with out bob to make enemies friends. The only thing that has held the goons together for so long a simple motto ôAn enemy of my enemy is a friendöà
I guess thatÆs out the window now and exactly what will you do begin to squabble amongst yourselves. I donÆt see the goons holding it together for 6 months with out bob to keep them in a pact of hatred.
I tell you this though i am wearing a Kevlar poncho to the next fan fair...LoL if I was ccp I would invest in those expensive airport grade metal detectors and some riot gear....ya know tear gas and few stun guns....
I am going to laugh my ass off as the goons fall apart because of this
Actually this is a very interesting point, if taken differently. Back when I used to play turn based strat games, one of the tactics I used was to eat one of the allies when we all SHOULD have been eating the planned prey. This way there was one less ally to deal with after the war was over.
Maybe TCF should just kill Goons while they all go play in Delve. lol That's what I would probably do. Attack when it's least expected. |
Red Desire
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:35:00 -
[82]
Guys, stop being stupid please. Read the thread and check the audio file , ffs " he doesn't have a mic" repeated several times. Nobody got a hold of the spy ... the "disgruntled" director,who mysteriously returned to the game and got the forum passwords by bypasing the voice security{no mic of course}. And above all he should be in the army training ... not horsing around with his alliance.
In my mind, I'm almost sure it's an identity theft, who know what simple user/pass he used. And yea, you are all puppets controlled by a pathetic and hardly inventive puppeteer. Give it a few days, the truth will be reveal ... and surely we will get a nicely made braging post, from the "mastermind".
And this day will be remembered, not as the slightly abused little minds screamed with endless manga tears jumping from their eyes : "we won Eve, we won Eve". But as "the day they thought again that they won Eve" "but failed again" |
ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:37:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Pater Peccavi
Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Whats the point in anything!
*kills self*
*silently takes Rhatar's stuffz*
Oh god, how this made me laugh! Way too much seriousness abounding online today.
I appreciate you recognizing my genius. by the way, would you like to buy a corpse?
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Fortune Foru
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:28:00 -
[84]
This is the best thing to happen to this game. It proves to all the new players that anything can happen.
So they disbanded. big deal. They will be back in another name and be just as interesting.
I wish all the former BOB guys all the best but know they dont need it.
They werent BOB because of luck, remember that.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:51:00 -
[85]
You bastard, you just made me lose the game! By the way, does it annoy you when you didnt realise that you were reading my sig? |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:56:00 -
[86]
The point of playing the game is playing the game. uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Rz JACKANAPES
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:59:00 -
[87]
this poem sums up this up. Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
all alliances/empires will eventually fall/split if the power of decision to betray any alliance is in the hands of 1 man. time to fix this ccp only a board of directors vote should only be allowed to end an alliance. |
Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2009.02.06 01:03:00 -
[88]
Betrayal is a legitimate deciding factor of war.
As are many other tactics... if they work you win.
End game....
BTW what is left of BOB will survive. Check the maps its already starting |
Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.06 01:07:00 -
[89]
THIS IS THE REASON WE PLAY EVE
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Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
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Posted - 2009.02.06 01:17:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Kiyamoh So BOB got rolled over by a director. And Goons is patting themselves on their back for a job well done. Is it really? Did they destroy BOB through tactics? strategy? straight up fighting? No. It was one BOB director who "jumped the fence" and destroyed an alliance.
Doesn't this bother anybody? And when the same thing happens to Goons, then what? Who will be the hero and who will be the villain then?
There was no victory here today. Just some player who will remain infamous for being a turncoat in a GAME. So he destroyed BOB (not goons). Big deal. Coz if there's no BOB to hate, who are you gonna fight next? I suppose Goons is the new villain in the game? And how will you feel WHEN it happens to you. After all, if it happened to BOB, it can happen to you as well. Turncoats are aplenty in this game which has no mechanics whatsoever to prevent such things from happening. Also, is this victory really all that pleasing? You go to sleep one night, wake up the next day, and your enemy ceases to exist... all because a thief stole everything and gave it to you.
I have read in numerous places in the forum of how much BOB players hate Goons and vice versa. I always thought that there was at least a measure of mutual respect between the parties recognising each other as a force to be reckoned with. But it would seem, this isn't the case. So much for the "gf" messages in local after a fight. Forget about all these false messages of respect. Maybe "stfu" after each fight is a more true expression after each fight, eh? Be honest :)
I could not help but smile whenever I pass a Goon pilot shouting "we won eve! we won eve!". Think about this: you won eve? good for you. And since you won eve, there's really nothing to play in eve anymore, is there? I mean, since you won, the game is over, rite?
So I now ask myself yet again... why play this game anymore? For small peeps like me who enjoy playing the game as a game, all this real-life political espionage and server hacking and such is really sad. Most people play this game to get away from all that real-world nonsense.
The fault really lies with CCP who has not done anything to put a stop to all this nonsense. Why should they? Drama draws more players... until people start leaving because of all the drama. A great game is headed out the window. A very unfortunate ending.
Love BOB or hate BOB. It doesn't really matter. I just hope we won't be looking back fondly in the near future thinking "BOB's downfall was the end of Eve".
P.S. Good news for CCP is that they don't have to reenforce their nodes anymore. I suspect there's not gonna be any epic fights coz there's now an all-powerful Goonswarm.
Oh please. The downfall of Eve over the downfall of BoB? Hmm, on second thought, you may have a tiny point. It seems the tech 2 market flourished from the exploit of moon mineral mining that BoB had access to so yeah, maybe they are all 'that' to the game. Where were you about that fiasco? If you ask me BoB had it coming. At least there is some retribution being paid back to the cheaters of the game.
Can I have your stuff? |
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Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.06 01:25:00 -
[91]
Nothing's wrong with mechanics. If you're super paranoid now and don't want this to happen to you then don't give director rights to anyone in executor corp. Problem solved.
Directors are just as powerful as CEOs, don't give it to someone unless you trust them with the keys to the corp, or the alliance as the case is with BoB.
Take the time and set up roles for your directors to let them do what they need to without risking your corp. |
Cereah
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Posted - 2009.02.06 14:09:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Sirez Cartwright Edited by: Sirez Cartwright on 05/02/2009 21:31:28
Originally by: Cereah You get hired by McDonalds. (bout the most you can handle I know) They say you cant work for anymore fast food joints because thats a conflict of interest. You will tell them our secrets!!!! You go ahead and fill in your part time hours with more part time at burger king. OMG burger king now has mcdonalds secrets.
Put that up to management. Or even corporation level (ie EVE). Vice President in charge of nuggets sells out to BK. Gives up the secret sauce recipe because he's best friends with the sauce guy, helps make it secret sometimes too.
THAT is a more real world example than congress disbanding apart LOL
Please do us a favor and never, ever attempt to make real world comparisons again. I just about broke my desk from the sheer amount of times I slammed my forehead into it from that atrocious attempt at making a point.
Not saying comparing BoB to the United States of America is much better, but... just wow.
Kids, it could happen to anyone, corporate espionage happens. Give enough power to a single person, and who knows what the hell could happen. There's no such thing as completely safe.
And you seemed to fail to comprehend the absurdity of the comparison I made. I said the same damn thing to the dude making the USA comparison. Because you know, there really is a VP in charge of nuggets and one for special sauce. You know that right? They are real people?? Please. Learn to read between the lines. |
NeoTech
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.06 14:39:00 -
[93]
I like this thread and how people quickly forgot that BoB used the same "dity tactics" to offline an entire system.
Well karma is one ugly ***** ehh?
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:16:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/02/2009 15:19:07
Originally by: Cereah YES CCP IS REPORTING ON IT. Nor are they fixing anything that isnt broken.
In EVE there are no safeguards against ONE well placed player in a huge alliance going loopy and destroying said alliance. I consider that broken. |
Anaesthera
Gallente AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:26:00 -
[95]
You really think that Bob won't reform? |
Mr Show
Caldari Enemies of Mercy
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:28:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Mr Show on 06/02/2009 15:30:04
Originally by: Kiyamoh Did they destroy BOB through tactics? strategy? straight up fighting?
Treachery is a tactic, betrayal is a strategy. You only have an argument to make if you accept your assumption that there is only one way to fight. Usually its the loser of a given conflict who makes that argument. Besides, is that what you want? A game with only one way to win? If thats the case, get rid of the market and crafting and skill training. Just give everyone the same ship and weapons and let them pvp non-stop.
Originally by: Kiyamoh I just hope we won't be looking back fondly in the near future thinking "BOB's downfall was the end of Eve".
Hahaha! Drama much? A highly dynamic and unpredictable environment is the kind of thing that makes games better. The irony of course is how obvious it is that that is exactly what you hope.
Originally by: Kiyamoh I suspect there's not gonna be any epic fights coz there's now an all-powerful Goonswarm.
Isn't that how Goons got started, to combat BOB when they were all-powerful? The events today, starting from when they started prove you're wrong. Good or bad, someone will want what Goons have and there will be battles. |
Daoi Sith
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Posted - 2009.02.06 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyamoh So BOB got rolled over by a director. And Goons is patting themselves on their back for a job well done. Is it really? Did they destroy BOB through tactics? strategy? straight up fighting? No.
I could not help but smile whenever I pass a Goon pilot shouting "we won eve! we won eve!".
it doesnt matter how, the effect is the same. it was a big change in EvE dynamics, at least temporarily. its a game, of course they are running around yelling in the street and getting drunk.
its a game.
you are taking it way too seriously
enjoy the drama and intrigue that make EvE so unique but dont forget
its a game
/ffs
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Cleopatrra
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.06 16:57:00 -
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As the saying goes.
This has all happend before. This will all happen Agian.
If you look through eve history you will see this to be very true. Hell Human history period. We are in a perpetual cycle that will not end untill we... Best way to say it is "Grow up". Untill that day comes I dont ever see things like this ending just restarting with new names places and people. |
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